Ginaz:


That was the reason I didn't get baptized, when I was 17 the pressure was hot like a stove, my friends were all baptized. Once you are baptized in Jw, you are strapped brother. You have to take whatever they tell you but you can't ask any question in return.

I'm in my mid twenties now, I do things my way so far it is morally right. Don't kill yourself in the organization if you have a doubt about finding the truth. The truth was meant to be found not given. Be a man and man up to what you believe is right.

I don't go out to field service, they can't kill me can they?

Ginaz:


That was the reason I didn't get baptized, when I was 17 the pressure was hot like a stove, my friends were all baptized. Once you are baptized in Jw, you are strapped brother. You have to take whatever they tell you but you can't ask any question in return.

I'm in my mid twenties now, I do things my way so far it is morally right. Don't kill yourself in the organization if you have a doubt about finding the truth. The truth was meant to be found not given. Be a man and man up to what you believe is right.

I don't go out to field service, they can't kill me can they?

ItalianWine:


At bolder and you are playing what part LOST SHEEP category

Your quoting of bible didn't reach

Matt 28:19,20 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,+ baptizing them+ in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.+ And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things

Go therefore.....was is for a select few.

When Jesus called his discipleswhy did he call them? To become fishers of men

If Jesus preached for 3 years who are to choose what you want as his disciple....is a slave better than his master?

It is a command....its not a choice

ItalianWine:


At bolder and you are playing what part LOST SHEEP category

Your quoting of bible didn't reach

Matt 28:19,20 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,+ baptizing them+ in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.+ And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things

Go therefore.....was is for a select few.

When Jesus called his discipleswhy did he call them? To become fishers of men

If Jesus preached for 3 years who are to choose what you want as his disciple....is a slave better than his master?

It is a command....its not a choice

Ginaz:


That was the reason I didn't get baptized, when I was 17 the pressure was hot like a stove, my friends were all baptized. Once you are baptized in Jw, you are strapped brother. You have to take whatever they tell you but you can't ask any question in return.

I'm in my mid twenties now, I do things my way so far it is morally right. Don't kill yourself in the organization if you have a doubt about finding the truth. The truth was meant to be found not given. Be a man and man up to what you believe is right.

I don't go out to field service, they can't kill me can they?

kingsilly:

Dem do you and food

timilehin95:
Sorry, they are Nigerian not Ghanaian

uzuede4:
BlessedMee. I am happy to know you are a witness

ItalianWine:


When you create a don't quote me button on your post then I'll know you have started to use your brain.

Who told you not to question the faithful and discreet? Are you robot?.....even servants of Jehovah questioned him.

And you ask questions and you're given answers and you say the answers are not correct with no backing argument/point are you not dumb?

Who ever said God is saving people based on religion?

Well you're just a child....when you grow up you'll get sense.


1Cor 3:18,19 18 Let no one deceive himself: If anyone among you thinks he is wise in this system of things,* let him become a fool, so that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, for it is written: “He catches the wise in their own cunning.”+

rottennaija:


And yet this command became more weighty today than in the first century? How many in the first century congregation went out knocking doors even with Jesus' command?

Was Jesus' command, without a choice not there when the Apostle Paul under inspiration said some will be teachers, apostles, evangelists, preachers (eph 4:11-16)

Even the Apostles or any other disciples of Jesus never coerced or pressure other members of the first century to preach. But he did.

Again, concerning Eph 4:11-16, If we are to be honest with ourselves, JWs don't really believe these Scriptures fulfil today among Christians. The governing body says all must preach, it does not matter what any other part of the Scriptures says, it became a command, having the force of the law, even when scripturally, even with the apostles on earth, it wasn't applied that way.

Let's me ask you, since it was a command, without a choice, was it not also a command to "baptised them in the name of the father, son and holy spirit" (Mt 28:19). How have you been fairing in respect to that?

Since it was a command without a choice, how many people have you baptised in response to Jesus command? ( Note: I don't mean those you bring to the organisation for them to baptise, I mean those whom you baptise personally, as was practiced in the first century)

Truth is, you can't baptise anyone. You don't have such power even when it was clearly evident that it was clearly practiced in the first century.

Fact is, the organisation chooses which command to follow and which to ignore. The command to preach serves their purpose. The need numbers and their organisation to grow and more money to explain. Then all much preach and bring in contributions. That way, they can support themselves and their large buildings.

Ginaz:
Congratulations, your wife is beautiful and you're handsome, she has nice smiles. May Jehovah bless your union.

I'm a witness by the way, my family have strong ties in J.W. But I'm now the black sheep cos I didn't get baptized. Lol

ItalianWine:
If I don't mind you now it'll look as if you're having sense small, let me school you




Read the whole verse below and explain it and tell me what their different roles where in the organization.

Ephesians 4:11-16New International Version (NIV)

11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.


Who told you we coerce anyone?



God’s Word says:
When I say to the wicked, ‘You wicked person, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade them from their ways, that wicked person will die for[a] their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. 9 But if you do warn the wicked person to turn from their ways and they do not do so, they will die for their sin, though you yourself will be saved.

“When I say to the wicked one: ‘You will positively die,’ and he actually turns back from his sin and carries on justice and righteousness, . . . he will positively keep living. He will not die. None of his sins with which he has sinned will be remembered against him.” (Ezekiel 33:8-16) The Bible tells preachers of the good news: “You will save both yourself and those who listen to you.”—1 Timothy 4:16 It is a matter of life and death, grab that.



When you are asking question be using your common sense small.....what does other part of the bible teach you about baptism? Was it John that taught Jesus and baptised him? All the people Jesus taught where they baptised by Jesus?


Please leave me to tackle my lost sister Ginaz and don't come in between us, your hear?

rottennaija:


I actually knew that you will start with insult and I have seen exactly so. Infact, I just told someone I was conversing with how insulting JWs are in this forum and just again, you simply proof that point.

I will leave you to your conversation.

However, I will say this, apostasy is the abandoning of God's word. The organisation has done that to such a great extent that their sins are massed clear to the heavens.

Ginaz:


You're trying to give me an insight but just look how rude you are. Well, it speaks about the person you are and your kind of religion. Who ever opposed them are "in the world" and are only but "a child".

Well thank you but I really don't need nothing from a rude bigot like you.

bizie:

Thanks bro. Jehovah bless you too

ItalianWine:


Are you running, come and defend what you think you know .....

you're too old to be pampered with God's word at your level so I won't hesitate to hit you hard......what is important to me is you have clear, thought out, reasonable arguments....then we both we both will be at peace.

Mujaheeeden:
Nne o gini na eme

Mujaheeeden:
can we talk off nairaland

ItalianWine:


Nne, sorry....,you know I love you......I just don't like where you are putting head.....it won't do you any good.

An old man at the ground can see what a child cannot on a tree

You have the best gift in the world and you are just trashing it. I'll be greatly hurt if you get hurt, and the pain will be more than my rude words.

Trust me I speak out because I love you......if it was someone else I won't have this kind of energy.

rottennaija:


Please, let me correct one impression.
I don't appreciate your insult.

You are a JWs and definitely, if you are by my door or my field service partner, you wouldn't insult me. You would season your utterances with salt. I actually don't see those attitudes online by most JWs have come in contact with. They are so insulting and rude. So, Please, keep your peace.

Secondly, you can always have your point of views or pov. However, it should not make you think you know all or are too skilled. I have had conversation with many like you and it's only questions that can reveal the depth of your knowledge. But it's something you can't do over the net.

Thirdly, I'm more worried about your attitude. Like the pharisee of Jesus days, your clearly seem to be too proud of yourself. You think you know much that "you will not pamper me, you will hit me hard." maybe you know, maybe you don't. I will not be the judge of that. But I can only advise you, watch your attitude, because like Jesus said, it is those that appears to be babes, the unwise ones that will enter God's Kingdom, not those with the I too know pharisaic attitudes like you.

Finally, I have been neck deep in the organisation. It was only after I started serious Bible study and research that I realise the emptiness of the reasoning that led to my earlier believe. I didn't waste time throwing away those believe and changing my biblical views. So, believe me when I say, I know what you will say before you say it. And I can only use questions to reveal the emptiness of your organisational based reasoning.

I'm too tired. I have had a really busy day. Good night and may God show us all his ways and favour.

Don't be offended but I'll school you anytime any day.

You know what only babies can enter God's Kingdom mean? It means teachable people, people who are ready to be taught by God's word, ready to listen to sound reasoning from his word and not arguing with their selfish, biased, blinded opinions.

Whatever took you out of the truth, stay stiff necked inside it, bury yourself inside it.....you can only deceive people like you. And I cannot be nice to you because you are bent on breaking someone else neck like yours

ItalianWine:


Nne, sorry....,you know I love you......I just don't like where you are putting head.....it won't do you any good.

An old man at the ground can see what a child cannot on a tree

You have the best gift in the world and you are just trashing it. I'll be greatly hurt if you get hurt, and the pain will be more than my rude words.

Trust me I speak out because I love you......if it was someone else I won't have this kind of energy.

Ginaz:



The best gift that I have is knowing Jehovah and knowing he cares for me, any other thing is temporary. Keep your love to yourself.

rottennaija:


Please, let me correct one impression.
I don't appreciate your insult.

You are a JWs and definitely, if you are by my door or my field service partner, you wouldn't insult me. You would season your utterances with salt. I actually don't see those attitudes online by most JWs have come in contact with. They are so insulting and rude. So, Please, keep your peace.

Secondly, you can always have your point of views or pov. However, it should not make you think you know all or are too skilled. I have had conversation with many like you and it's only questions that can reveal the depth of your knowledge. But it's something you can't do over the net.

Thirdly, I'm more worried about your attitude. Like the pharisee of Jesus days, your clearly seem to be too proud of yourself. You think you know much that "you will not pamper me, you will hit me hard." maybe you know, maybe you don't. I will not be the judge of that. But I can only advise you, watch your attitude, because like Jesus said, it is those that appears to be babes, the unwise ones that will enter God's Kingdom, not those with the I too know pharisaic attitudes like you.

Finally, I have been neck deep in the organisation. It was only after I started serious Bible study and research that I realise the emptiness of the reasoning that led to my earlier believe. I didn't waste time throwing away those believe and changing my biblical views. So, believe me when I say, I know what you will say before you say it. And I can only use questions to reveal the emptiness of your organisational based reasoning.

I'm too tired. I have had a really busy day. Good night and may God show us all his ways and favour.

StuntingBlack:


Ha ha, Noooo. It wasn't easy AT ALL OO, my bro. Look, if I should give you a break down of so many dramas that transpired between me and popsy prior to when I became "free" from his shakles, men, you will more than pity me. I won't wanna go into that 'cos seriously, i've seen some hell men. It took me a great measure of determination and strong-head to win that man oo.

Depending on your age and social exposure, you can be in my shoes sha. You still have some problems "breaking out"?

slimjosh43:

We are easy to identify