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Bugatie:
Haba Bros, send me soft copy nau, I fit arrange myself here for PH

lolsssss u get longer throat oooo. So if I dey eat and I say make u come eat, u go wash hand abi? See ur life?

2dugged:
with my kind of life style, I too need to be made a saint ,so I can also pray an intercede on behalf of other mortals, mteeew, but I want to do that while I am alive sha ,Romans traditions, smh

which saintly lifestyle

Pained? Nah! I live by the truth and I say the truth whether anyone likes it or not.

Being catholic won't take anyone to heaven. Being a follower of christ can.

Mikylopez:
why you pained tho

When you learn how to spell and converse properly, you can quote me.

Eddygourdo:
lol, I told you all, he is a protestant. we know them. you keep protesting and the church keeps growing. the church you follow Wat are it's roots, even the Christianity you follow what do you know about it's roots, other than growing up and having it thrusted into your consciousness. don't come here in your uneducated state to talk about mundane history. we all know it, yet we are screaming "proudly catholic" . I know it hurts your protestant beliefs. why don't you seek a transformer and kindly hug it

Amberon:
Pained? Nah! I live by the truth and I say the truth whether anyone likes it or not.

Being catholic won't take anyone to heaven. Being a follower of christ can.

Catholics are followers of Christ, bringing Christ to many nations. Catholics are in heaven, Sts Jacinta and Francesco are the latest examples.

Syncan:
When did your church start; that you can now tell those who compiled the Bible what is alien or not to the new testament Church. Ignorance.

The problem with you is you don't know the Bible BY YOURSELF. You take what you are told and run with it. The Bible is not sufficient for you. What is more important to you are institutions, traditions and personalities who are mere men bereft of the Spirit of God.

You're a religionist. I'm not. For me the Bible is the inerrant word of God. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Please, give me ONLY ONE SCRIPTURAL REFERENCE for canonisation of saints in the Bible. JUST ONE.

omojeesu:
The problem with you is you don't know the Bible BY YOURSELF. You take what you are told and run with it. The Bible is not sufficient for you. What is more important to you are institutions, traditions and personalities who are mere men bereft of the Spirit of God.

You're a religionist. I'm not. For me the Bible is the inerrant word of God. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Please, give me ONLY ONE SCRIPTURAL REFERENCE for canonisation of saints in the Bible. JUST ONE.

That is where your error lies. A book comprising of writings the Church gathered together after 300 years, and told you it contains inspired word of God, is now your foundation of truth, yet the book itself tells you that the Church instead is the pillar and foundation of truth 1 Tim 3:15. Aren't you ignorant?

Syncan:
After reading the one on bold I shook my head disgusted. If you don't know what idolatry is, how do you accuse people of committing it? "My pastor say" church goer.

Click [url="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idol"]here[/url] and see the number 1 definition of the word IDOL regarding religion and then come back and tell me if using an object to represent God falls into idolatry or not.

Ontarget:
Click [url="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idol"]here[/url] and see the number 1 definition of the word IDOL regarding religion and then come back and tell me if using an object to represent God falls into idolatry or not.

Stop confusing yourself, just go back and read your own post again, I emboldened the portion for you when I quoted it. First be sure what Idolatory is and is not, then come back with your accusation.

Syncan:
Stop confusing yourself, just go back and read your own post again, I emboldened the portion for you when I quoted it. First be sure what Idolatory is and is not, then come back with your accusation.

It seems you didn't understand me when I said: "You don't really have to take them as Gods".
You previously said idolatry is when you regard those images as a God. And my position is that you don't really need to take them as a God on its own entirely, but having an image representation of God, Jesus and Mary an bowing to them is also idolatry.

Ontarget:
So what is idolatry? Tell me since you know it.

Are you not the one accusing me of Idolatry? How come you accuse me of what you don't know. Go back to what I highlighted in your post and see your error.

Ontarget:
It seems you didn't understand me when I said: "You don't really have to take them as Gods".
You previously said idolatry is when you regard those images as a God. And my position is that you don't really need to take them as a God on its own entirely, but having an image representation of God, Jesus and Mary an bowing to them is also idolatry.

The bold is coming from your definition or what?

Syncan:
The bold is coming from your definition or what?

Merriam-Webstar defined idol as a representation or symbol of an object of worship. The definition clearly shows Catholics engage in idolatry by having a representation of an object of worship and bowing to it. And besides, God instructed us not to make any image in the likeness of anything in heaven. So why do Catholics make images in the likeness of Jesus and Mary and bow to it? That's my position.

Ontarget:
Merriam-Webstar defined idol as a representation or symbol of an object of worship. The definition clearly shows Catholics engage in idolatry by having a representation of an object of worship and bowing to it. And besides, God instructed us not to make any image in the likeness of anything in heaven. So why do Catholics make images in the likeness of Jesus and Mary and bow to it? That's my position.

Now you have moved from idolatry to definition of idol, ok. I am yet to determine if you want to understand or if you are just here to scream the usual uninformed accusations. From your statement above you are accusing Joshua of Idolatry based on what happened in Joshua7:6 Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining there till evening.

Syncan:
Now you have moved from idolatry to definition of idol, ok. I am yet to determine if you want to understand or if you are just here to scream the usual uninformed accusations. From your statement above you are accusing Joshua of Idolatry based on what happened in Joshua7:6 Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining there till evening.

The ark is a different matter because God approved its use and purpose. God was directly involved with matters concerning the ark. According to Exodus 25:22 God was said to have spoken with Moses "from between the two cherubim" on the Ark's cover.
Same cannot be said about the statues of Jesus and Mary that Catholics bow to. God has no business with those statues and you all use them to represent him without his consent.

Ontarget:
The ark is a different matter because God approved its use and purpose. God was directly involved with matters concerning the ark. According to Exodus 25:22 God was said to have spoken with Moses "from between the two cherubim" on the Ark's cover.
Same cannot be said about the statues of Jesus and Mary that Catholics bow to. God has no business with those statues and you all use them to represent him without his consent.

You see, your problem is that you don't believe in the scriptures you quote. You claim that God is unchangeable according to scripture, but you believe he condemned making of Images and approves of them at the same time. Now you believe God approved "Idol" and its worship based on your definition. My God isn't confused, yours is. My God is not an author of confusion, if you want to understand what God meant by his words; ask nicely and you will be informed, else what you're doing to yourself is what Peter talked about in 2Pet.3:16: ...in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Syncan:
You see, your problem is that you don't believe in the scriptures you quote. You claim that God is unchangeable according to scripture, but you believe he condemned making of Images and approves of them at the same time. Now you believe God approved "Idol" and its worship based on your definition. My God isn't confused, yours is. My God is not an author of confusion, if you want to understand what God meant by his words; ask nicely and you will be informed, else what you're doing to yourself is what Peter talked about in 2Pet.3:16: ...in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The fact that God used the ark to interface with his followers shouldn't mean he APPROVED idol worship. God can choose his own method of doing anything at anytime because he is in charge. Whatever instruction he gives is what must be followed excerpt whenever he mentions we should do it in a specific way even if it appears contrary to his earlier instruction like the case of the ark. In other words, God can do and undo. It's not confusion, it's called supreme authority.

Ontarget:
The fact that God used the ark to interface with his followers shouldn't mean he APPROVED idol worship. God can choose his own method of doing anything at anytime because he is in charge. Whatever instruction he gives is what must be followed excerpt whenever he mentions we should do it in a specific way even if it appears contrary to his earlier instruction like the case of the ark. In other words, God can do and undo. It's not confusion, it's called supreme authority.

So in order words you say that God can approve Idol worship sometimes if He wants...He changes His laws. I don't know why you just keep saying things without thinking.

All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal. Psalm 119:160

Syncan:
So in order words you say that God can approve Idol worship sometimes if He wants ...He changes His laws. I don't know why you just keep saying things without thinking.

All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal. Psalm 119:160

That's where you are getting it wrong. If Gods says a certain tree represents his presence and each time you come near the tree you should bow to it, that's a different situation and bowing to the tree is no more idolatry because God has STATED the tree represents him. But God NEVER stated the statues of Jesus and Mary represents him so bowing to the statues becomes idolatry.

Amberon:
When you learn how to spell and converse properly, you can quote me.

lame. Na small picking dey worry you, mental slave

Ontarget:
That's where you are getting it wrong. If Gods says a certain tree represents his presence and each time you come near the tree you should bow to it, that's a different situation and bowing to the tree is no more idolatry because God has STATED the tree represents him. But God NEVER stated the statues of Jesus and Mary represents him so bowing to the statues becomes idolatry.

So an image can represent the presence of God

Mujaheeeden:
which saintly lifestyle

this one wey I dey live so na, those saints live any different from the way i dey live so?

2dugged:
this one wey I dey live so na, those saints live any different from the way i dey live so?

Continue lying

Mujaheeeden:
Continue lying

I am a soon to be saint,I can't lie

2dugged:
I am a soon to be saint,I can't lie

I see you being made a saint before Mother Theresa

xxxtedyxxx:
MUMU



Forced donations is also a normal thing in catholic churches, and you know it. What do you call all those nonsense donations and gambling they do in the house of God during harvest?

You are really a big fool! So you don't do harvest in your church? Is it only in Catholic church they do harvest?? Your brain is really paining you!! Even during harvest no one forces anyone to make donations. To even make it easier,pledges are even made which are paid overtime. Some people take up to a year to pay their pledges(more like installmentally)because they are not forced to do it!

Syncan:
So an image can represent the presence of God

If God decides it happens that way just like the ark of covenant you mentioned and also the burning bush when he called Moses. In other words, we cannot choose what represents God, but only God chooses what represents him. Any attempt to represent God with any object when he didn't say so becomes idolatry.

Lilimax:
Bro, there are many Catholic teachings that are not rooted in the word if God. Thank God for the Charismatic Renewal Movement in the Church that made me to read and understand my Bible. I asked so many questions in some of the church doctrines which no one can explain to me via the word of God. I had to take my decision...

You chose not to be studying your bible, the church makes studying of the bible easier for us by compiling an organised daily reading based on season and you are encouraged to meditate on those daily passages. Maybe u are among the church goers who never took their time to study the bible with the direction of the holy spirit but "read and understand" in your own way, else u will not be here saying this.

free2ryhme:
i dont need to research all i need is to read my bible...


Tell me where it is written that we must go through men to get to God

Going by the meaning of the word research, the bible can also be use as research material especially in issues like this, hence the reason I asked you to do a research on it.
Note: it is not a most but optional, it is called intercession/intercessory prayer.
1Timothy 2:1, rev.8:4

Ontarget:
If God decides it happens that way just like the ark of covenant you mentioned and also the burning bush when he called Moses. In other words, we cannot choose what represents God, but only God chooses what represents him. Any attempt to represent God with any object when he didn't say so becomes idolatry.

Do you see as you are making your own commandment different from God's? Where did God say in his Commandment "Except I tell you to", which other of the ten commandment did God contradict, as you now claim He contradicted His own commandment in the case of the ark and the the bronze serpent, hence He changes His laws. Note how you portray God as one that Changes his precepts, Our God's commandments are all of them sure, they stand firm for ever and ever Psalm 111:7-8. You are wresting scripture to your destruction, when you don't know something or you get confused, simply ask nicely and you'll receive knowledge.

You meant to say "bringing idolatry to many nations". Some of you were summoning the dead to pray for you eg Sts Jacinta and Francesco" and even angels Gabriel and Michael (not knowing you're above them). Jesus Christ is the ONLY mediator; not Mary, not your saints.

Syncan:
Catholics are followers of Christ, bringing Christ to many nations. Catholics are in heaven, Sts Jacinta and Francesco are the latest examples.

Amberon:
You meant to say "bringing idolatry to many nations". Some of you were summoning the dead to pray for you eg Sts Jacinta and Francesco" and even angels Gabriel and Michael (not knowing you're above them). Jesus Christ is the ONLY mediator; not Mary, not your saints.

When Ignorance speaks, it's not difficult to recognize. The Gospel you wrest to your own destruction, the church preserved and preached it to your heathen fathers. The bible you misinterpret; the Church "Your Idolaters" compiled and told you it is God's word.