felixomor:
This thread is based on Wrong information
As shown above.

The Op claimed that Lazarus syndrome is an "accepted diagnosis" under International Classification and it is not.

It is an attempt to push his atheist dogma, with half baked knowledge at the expense of lay people.

TAKE NOTE.

CatfishBilly:

Oga take your ignorance elsewhere. I've shown you articles published in reputable medical journals, I've tried explaining the ICD classification to you, it's not my fault that you just want to remain ignorant.

felixomor:


I can sit on my laptop and write a journal bro
And form a disease that i think exists
And it will be published

But if it is not yet classified, it will remain my write up
If u had mentioned Lazarus syndrome in any of your exams in medical school,
Trust me, you wont graduate.

CatfishBilly:

Sit on laptop and write a medical journal published on pubmed and Royal journal of medicine?
I'm done bro. It's now clear as daylight.

felixomor:


I pity u
Be appealing to authority there
I have friends with names on these journals u just mentioned.
Be appealing to your Lies there.

CatfishBilly:

You've gotten the strawman argument out of your system abi? Done?
Now address the points raised in the OP. I've added links too in case you don't understand.
Please, just address the OP

felixomor:


So you told a lie that Lazarus syndrome is in ICD just to promote your agenda? Chai

And hopefulLandlord being a layman was even following u to rejoice......

Well, its a typical day at the box office
Atheists hijacking science to promote atheism.

Sad
I need to open a thread on this.

felixomor:


Now get the truth into your system.
You are writing about a "poorly understood" phenomenon
And you are trying to use it to debunk what people regard as a miracle.
What is your aim?
To use your profession to bamboozle them?
That is not the essence of science, my brother.
WHo know why they have not classified it yet.


You are just as good as them on this issue
Because you cant explain the mechanism of how a dead person comes back to life.

Secondly, there are people who have suffered massive trauma and even gunshots who came back to life after pronounced dead

You seem to base your arguments on what u have seen only. Things are not done that way

CatfishBilly:

Oga, I respectfully disagree. There is no spiritual angle.

onyenze123:


There is.

there are documented stories of people who are in the situation you describe being able to look down and see the doctors desperately trying to resuscitate them. How can you explain that?

felixomor:


I can see u want to continue the gymnastics
U clearly dont know why i said u r ignorant
U thought doing a red herring of "2016 icd" will save u ba?
Even your link does not have "Lazarus syndrome"
Its a double cop out.

YOU LIED

KingEbukasblog please come and see.
Atheists telling lies with science to promote atheism.

KingEbukasBlog:


Again ? Great job sir !

Half baked knowledge of what an atheist is arguing for ? Yes
Lies ? Yes
Vituperation when the ignorance and lies are exposed ? Yes
Blatantly pushing through despite being exposed as ignorant and deceitful ? Yes

CatfishBilly:

Now, we are making headway.
I'm giving a medical explanation to a miracle in other to educate the public. I'm not taking their belief away from them, far from it. It's just to enlighten them.

WHO is yet to classify it into a separate because it is poorly researched, poorly understood because about 40 cases have been recorded in journals. Research is lacking. That doesn't mean that they're not medical entities like Nodding Disease, Gulf War Syndrome, Exploding Head Syndrome.
So many plausible explanations have been offered, like
1) Because of the pressure built up in the chest cavity during compression, the heart couldn't restart but as cpr stops, pressure gradually reduces and the heart restarts.
2) Because of the Positive End Expiratory Pressure (PEEP) used in ventilation during resuscitation.
These are plausible explanations, not out of the world.
And in all these cases, the patient received CPR, no exceptions. So the CPR played a massive role.

As per coming back to life after gunshots, it's simple, gunshot made the person lose blood causing CardioPulmonary arrest. Reverse the cause of the CardioPulmonary arrest (in this case, blood transfusion) and the heart restarts (with ACLS of course)

What severe trauma are you talking about?

CatfishBilly:

Of course. Welcome. I've been expecting you.
Ignorant comment again. You and your partner evidently don't know how ICD10 works.
So, let me just leave this issue. Because it's been an exercise in futility.

felixomor:


A classmate of mine died in an accident
His anterior skull was virtually open, with a deep laceration
He was pronounced dead and taken to mortuary.
After 12 hours he woke up in mortuary
The people that were praying in front of the mortuary ran for their lives when he came out.

They had to take him back to the theatre and start closing his head.
He is alive today with a big scar on his forehead.

There was no reversal done by medics
These are the types of events that bamboozles us

spacetacular:


Halo sir you seem to be the only one who claims to know how icd10 works can you educate an ignorant lady like me pls. If you do not then as earlier observed your claims smell of rotten fish (pun intended oo)

CatfishBilly:

It is a place holder for all the unknown/poorly known and undescribable cardiovascular pathology

CatfishBilly:

Yes, it's bamboozling.
Was he pronounced dead at the accident scene or he was pronounced dead in the hospital?
Was any form of resuscitation attempted?
Note that in the cases of ROSC I posted, spontaneous return took up to 24 hours, but I don't think there's any that lasted more than 24 hours.

CatfishBilly:

Yes, it's bamboozling.
Was he pronounced dead at the accident scene or he was pronounced dead in the hospital?
Was any form of resuscitation attempted?
Note that in the cases of ROSC I posted, spontaneous return took up to 24 hours, but I don't think there's any that lasted more than 24 hours.

CatfishBilly:

spacetacular:


This your spontaneous return you mentioned can you tell me the procedure it has to pass through to occur or can you repeat the same process it needs to happen and get the same result always?

I am a medical personnel attached to emergency services and got attracted to your post naturally so at what point is a person declared truly dead?

CatfishBilly:

You're a medical personnel? That's great then. Read the links in the OP. They describe it perfectly. I mean, medical journals can describe it way better than I can.

felixomor:


Of course he was taken to hospital ER, after the accident
and even transferred to the teaching hospital mortuary after being pronounced dead.

They were 15 in the vehicle
Only 4 in total survived

CatfishBilly:

You still didn't answer if any resuscitation attempts we're made.
Who certified him? Was a heart/EKG monitor attached to confirm absolute cessation of electrical impulse from the heart?

CatfishBilly:

You still didn't answer if any resuscitation attempts we're made.

CatfishBilly:

Who certified him?

CatfishBilly:


Was a heart/EKG monitor attached to confirm absolute cessation of electrical impulse from the heart?

felixomor:

Yes of course like in any teaching hospital



A trained registrar of course
Whats your point?


Yes i think so.

Lets assume all the questions u asked are points worthy?
Do you know the number of hours it takes for brain cells to start dying without oxygen?

spacetacular:


Since it's poorly known or unknown and an indescribable cardiovascular pathology why then do you speak about it authoritatively?

Have you witnessed deaths through head trauma or People being impaled? Have you brought any back to life spontaneously?

When the body shuts down and brain activity ceases is that death stage 5 or 1

CatfishBilly:

They are called out of body/near death experience.
When the heart stops, in most cases, the brain is still alive albeit, it is the first organ to start dying after the heart stops (starts in 5 minutes) so, neurones are still firing inside the brain (Deep brain electrode EEG tracings), they now have delirium and hallucinations.
Those visions you quoted are simple delirium and hallucinations for lack of a better word.

onyenze123:


Out of Body? What is moving out of human body? Soul?

I have watched a documentary about a lady hit by a racing car in German. The lead doctor that handled her case is a staunch atheist. He was really shocked after the lady narrated how the operation procedure was carried out ( as if she looked directly from the roof top). Science will try it best to explain some things but let's not rule out the spiritual perspective

spacetacular:


@ 10 to 12 minutes of anoxia leads to permanent brain damage. Brain cells begin to die from the very first minute of anoxia

onyenze123:


Out of Body? What is moving out of human body? Soul?

I have watched a documentary about a lady hit by a racing car in German. The lead doctor that handled her case is a staunch atheist. He was really shocked after the lady narrated how the operation procedure was carried out ( as if she looked directly from the roof top). Science will try it best to explain some things but let's not rule out the spiritual perspective

felixomor:


Exactly.
Thank u for the answer brother.