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Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 9:08am On May 15, 2017 |
This thread is based on Wrong information As shown above. The Op claimed that Lazarus syndrome is an "accepted diagnosis" under International Classification and it is not. It is an attempt to push his atheist dogma, with half baked knowledge at the expense of lay people. TAKE NOTE. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 9:14am On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:Oga take your ignorance elsewhere. I've shown you articles published in reputable medical journals, I've tried explaining the ICD classification to you, it's not my fault that you just want to remain ignorant. Here are the journals again. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20228683 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121643/ |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 9:17am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: I can sit on my laptop and write a journal bro And form a disease that i think exists And it will be published But if it is not yet classified, it will remain my write up If u had mentioned Lazarus syndrome in any of your exams in medical school, Trust me, you wont graduate. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 9:20am On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:Sit on laptop and write a medical journal published on pubmed and Royal journal of medicine? I'm done bro. It's now clear as daylight. 1 Like |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 9:23am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: I pity u Be appealing to authority there I have friends with names on these journals u just mentioned. Be appealing to your Lies there. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 9:34am On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:You've gotten the strawman argument out of your system abi? Done? Now address the points raised in the OP. I've added links too in case you don't understand. Please, just address the OP |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 9:50am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Now get the truth into your system. You are writing about a "poorly understood" phenomenon And you are trying to use it to debunk what people regard as a miracle. What is your aim? To use your profession to bamboozle them? That is not the essence of science, my brother. WHo know why they have not classified it yet. You are just as good as them on this issue Because you cant explain the mechanism of how a dead person comes back to life. Secondly, there are people who have suffered massive trauma and even gunshots who came back to life after pronounced dead You seem to base your arguments on what u have seen only. Things are not done that way 1 Like |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by hopefulLandlord: 9:51am On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor: what's all these projection |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 10:06am On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:Now, we are making headway. I'm giving a medical explanation to a miracle in other to educate the public. I'm not taking their belief away from them, far from it. It's just to enlighten them. WHO is yet to classify it into a separate because it is poorly researched, poorly understood because about 40 cases have been recorded in journals. Research is lacking. That doesn't mean that they're not medical entities like Nodding Disease, Gulf War Syndrome, Exploding Head Syndrome. So many plausible explanations have been offered, like 1) Because of the pressure built up in the chest cavity during compression, the heart couldn't restart but as cpr stops, pressure gradually reduces and the heart restarts. 2) Because of the Positive End Expiratory Pressure (PEEP) used in ventilation during resuscitation. These are plausible explanations, not out of the world. And in all these cases, the patient received CPR, no exceptions. So the CPR played a massive role. As per coming back to life after gunshots, it's simple, gunshot made the person lose blood causing CardioPulmonary arrest. Reverse the cause of the CardioPulmonary arrest (in this case, blood transfusion) and the heart restarts (with ACLS of course) What severe trauma are you talking about? 1 Like |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by Nobody: 10:06am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: There is. there are documented stories of people who are in the situation you describe being able to look down and see the doctors desperately trying to resuscitate them. How can you explain that? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 10:12am On May 15, 2017 |
onyenze123:They are called out of body/near death experience. When the heart stops, in most cases, the brain is still alive albeit, it is the first organ to start dying after the heart stops (starts in 5 minutes) so, neurones are still firing inside the brain (Deep brain electrode EEG tracings), they now have delirium and hallucinations. Those visions you quoted are simple delirium and hallucinations for lack of a better word. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:16am On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor: Again ? Great job sir ! Half baked knowledge of what an atheist is arguing for ? Yes Lies ? Yes Vituperation when the ignorance and lies are exposed ? Yes Blatantly pushing through despite being exposed as ignorant and deceitful ? Yes 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 10:21am On May 15, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Of course. Welcome. I've been expecting you. Ignorant comment again. You and your partner evidently don't know how ICD10 works. So, let me just leave this issue. Because it's been an exercise in futility. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 10:22am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: A classmate of mine died in an accident His anterior skull was virtually open, with a deep laceration He was pronounced dead and taken to mortuary. After 12 hours he woke up in mortuary The people that were praying in front of the mortuary ran for their lives when he came out. They had to take him back to the theatre and start closing his head. He is alive today with a big scar on his forehead. There was no reversal done by medics These are the types of events that bamboozles us |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 10:28am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Halo sir you seem to be the only one who claims to know how icd10 works can you educate an ignorant lady like me pls. If you do not then as earlier observed your claims smell of rotten fish (pun intended oo) 1 Like |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 10:29am On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:Yes, it's bamboozling. Was he pronounced dead at the accident scene or he was pronounced dead in the hospital? Was any form of resuscitation attempted? Note that in the cases of ROSC I posted, spontaneous return took up to 24 hours, but I don't think there's any that lasted more than 24 hours. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 10:33am On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular: CatfishBilly: |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 10:34am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: This your spontaneous return you mentioned can you tell me the procedure it has to pass through to occur or can you repeat the same process it needs to happen and get the same result always? I am a medical personnel attached to emergency services and got attracted to your post naturally so at what point is a person declared truly dead? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 10:36am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Of course he was taken to hospital ER, after the accident and even transferred to the teaching hospital mortuary after being pronounced dead. They were 15 in the vehicle Only 4 in total survived |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 10:40am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Since it's poorly known or unknown and an indescribable cardiovascular pathology why then do you speak about it authoritatively? Have you witnessed deaths through head trauma or People being impaled? Have you brought any back to life spontaneously? When the body shuts down and brain activity ceases is that death stage 5 or 1 |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 10:40am On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular:You're a medical personnel? That's great then. Read the links in the OP. They describe it perfectly. I mean, medical journals can describe it way better than I can. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 10:48am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: I have my own personal day to day on the field experiences and would trust that better than anyone's imaginative musings. I have enough medical journals I have read and what you posted falls into the category of medical imagination . You see sir the body and every little part of it has been set to function in a specific way and when something breaks the norm which isn't medically possible nor medically understandable it falls into medical mystery and ones imaginative writing or assumptions cannot be taken as an authority and neither can it be applied on the field as a medical procedure. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 10:52am On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:You still didn't answer if any resuscitation attempts we're made. Who certified him? Was a heart/EKG monitor attached to confirm absolute cessation of electrical impulse from the heart? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 10:55am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: How reliable would you say an FMRI or EEG or MEG monitors or imaging really are? On a scale of 1 to10 how would you rate them? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 10:58am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly:Yes of course like in any teaching hospital CatfishBilly: A trained registrar of course Whats your point? CatfishBilly:Yes i think so. Lets assume all the questions u asked are points worthy? Do you know the number of hours it takes for brain cells to start dying without oxygen? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 11:02am On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor: @ 10 to 12 minutes of anoxia leads to permanent brain damage. Brain cells begin to die from the very first minute of anoxia |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 11:02am On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular:It's not stinking like fish again, it's now about the authority, abi? I've listed like 3 medical conditions in this thread that the pathophysiology is poorly understood. That it is poorly understood doesn't make it any less of a medical entity. Cancer was poorly understood at some point, HIV was poorly understood at some point. Your argument is not strong. I've witnessed death due to head trauma and I've seen people and read about people that were impaled resuscitated. What I asked in the OP is if anyone has seen anybody decapitated, disemboweled or dismembered being resuscitated. If you have, kindly share. I have successfully resuscitated a patient, yes. Death is clinical death or brain death, which one is stage 1 and stage 5? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by Nobody: 11:02am On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Out of Body? What is moving out of human body? Soul? I have watched a documentary about a lady hit by a racing car in German. The lead doctor that handled her case is a staunch atheist. He was really shocked after the lady narrated how the operation procedure was carried out ( as if she looked directly from the roof top). Science will try it best to explain some things but let's not rule out the spiritual perspective 1 Like |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by hopefulLandlord: 11:04am On May 15, 2017 |
onyenze123: could it be that she woke up during surgery? it happens a lot bro 2 Likes |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 11:04am On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular: Exactly. Thank u for the answer brother. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 11:07am On May 15, 2017 |
onyenze123: Pls are pictures capable of being posted here? How do I do that pls? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 11:08am On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor: I am a sister sir o |
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