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Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 1:02pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:At the bolded now where did I say that? If you don't understand what I wrote, come out plain and ask for explanation. Don't infer, don't assume, just ask. I've explained everything about ICD10 to you, it's not my fault if you still refuse to understand. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:05pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Haven't you heard of the Not-God of the gaps I introduced ? Because we don't know does not mean that God did not do it . Plus You always commit the appeal to common sense fallacy everytime . I don't believe God it , or I don't see how God did it therefore it is false 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 1:06pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Forget ICD 10 That was a lie you told, black and white. As for the bolded above, What i mean is that You said when multiple journals are involved, it is most likely truth. And then I said even multiple journals can conspire to tell a lie in science. Thats what I meant |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 1:06pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Since you say you have explained icd10 can you tell me if it's conclusive or not sir. From what you know about it is it medically applicable or fiction. Have you seen a patient flatline before and unplugged and covered up to be taken away to the morgue and suddenly come alive and sit up without medical assistance? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 1:08pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular:So you try to discard my claim and want me to accept yours? The sheer hypocrisy, man That is why I brought in a neutral figure, like every other medical researcher does all over the world. Research articles published in reputable journals. If you don't want to accept it, that's your problem. If you are so convinced about your experiences, write an article on it and publish let's see if it will survive peer review. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 1:11pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular:Argumentum ad ignorantiam is the non religious variant. Go and read it up. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 1:13pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Did you say write an article? I believe I mentioned somewhere that I am no paper pusher. Can you give me one such article you have written since you believe so much in articles. Afterall you have revived a dead person before haven't you so you must be an authority figure right? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 1:14pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Unfortunately, we have not seen a single of this journals You have been mentioning since Apart from the indirectly referenced |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 1:14pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Not interested in your gibberish. I am interested in the word "unknown". Does it have a different meaning to you sir? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by akintom(m): 1:16pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular:You are the one making mockery of scientific reasoning here. Basic knowledge of controlled experiment, should have guided your understanding of my post. "probable results"? *How do you probe into a death, that was CLAIMED to be revitalized, when such death was not medically certified FIRST, before the prayer? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 1:17pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:Oh, now I should forget ICD10? No lie evidence still. Yes, when multiple journals are involved with different authors over several years, it is most likely true. I'm yet to see where multiple journals with different authors over several years was found out to be a lie. Can you help me with that? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 1:21pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly:Sorry, your ICD 10 claim was proven to be false both by my link and yours. As for journals, Do u know that the recently, many information and "journals" on consumption of cholesterol and all the blah blah were found to be incorrect? Just imagine if u had made a thread on such journals some years back? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 1:22pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom: You are the one making mockery of everything you have said. Let me rephrase your question in a way you might understand. How do you probe into a revitalization of the dead without medical assistance after being medically certified as dead? You see it works both ways which is why I urged that you would have said "I don't know" and not your emphatic no. 2 Likes |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 1:23pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular:Of course it's conclusive. A colleague posted about a classic case about one week ago. That the mechanism is unknown doesn't make it false. A whole host of medical conditions were unknown before research solved it. Have you seen a patient flatline before and unplugged and covered up to be taken away to the morgue and suddenly come alive and sit up without medical assistance?I've not. Have you seen an Ebola patient? Have you seen a Patient with Crutzfeld-Jacobs disease. That you haven't seen doesn't make it false. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 1:24pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular: akintom, you can see what I have been lecturing u on? Thank God u r hearing from another person |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 1:26pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular:I've not written an article because there is no need to, It has been covered in medical literature. But since your own experience hasn't been covered, it's a prime candidate for an article. Write one. Wow us with this your unknown part of medicine. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 1:28pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: It's conclusive yet unknown? Wow. So since the mechanism is unknown how did you arrive at your conclusion and what makes it false or right? Being neutral should be your best position especially since you are putting unknown and conclusive in one sentence. I thought you said you brought a dead body back to life so how then did you confirm death since you said here that you have not seen a patient flatline before sir. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 1:37pm On May 15, 2017 |
This is even from one of the journal articles referenced; "The term “Lazarus phenomenon” was coined by Bray2 to describe this situation after the biblical character Lazarus who Jesus reputedly raised to life.3 There have been more than 25 cases reported in the literature but it remains unfamiliar to emergency department staff. " The term is even just a description coined by just one fellow doctor, But our dear author champions the term like a pathophysiological explanation for how it happens. Anyway, we are used to him. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 1:38pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular:It is conclusive. Patient died then had autoresuscitation when regular resuscitation failed. That part is beyond doubt. What is unknown is the mechanism by which the autoresuscitation occurred of which several theories have been put forward. The Crux of the debate is Autoresuscitation after failed resuscitation attempts is a known entity in medicine. I thought you said you brought a dead body back to life so how then did you confirm death since you said here that you have not seen a patient flatline before.This was your question Have you seen a patient flatline before and unplugged and covered up to be taken away to the morgue and suddenly come alive and sit up without medical assistance?Of which I answered in the negative. Patient was only on a pulse oximeter when saturation dropped to zero. There was absence of spontaneous CardioPulmonary effort, so, yea, patient died. 2 Likes |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by akintom(m): 1:38pm On May 15, 2017 |
spacetacular: You're obviously having difficulty, in attending this discussion with sufficient attention span. My response was to your "probable" spiritual (prayer) intervention, revitalizing a dead body. How can you claim it's probable (Scientifically speaking), when such claimed dead, was not so certified by scientific procedure, before your claimed prayers, that revitalized the dead. Isn't ridiculous to be attempting to educate me, when you're tending to being a charlatan here? 1 Like |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 1:42pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:So the fact that a doctor named the phenomenon made it false? Really? Okay, sorry ooo. Choose Return of Spontaneous Circulation if Lazarus is scratching your body. Of course emergency room staff won't be used to it only about 40 cases all over the world have been reported. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 1:48pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly:No it doesn't The point is even the old man in my village can also do that in my local dialect CatfishBilly:You dont get it. Even if u change the name to B.B.c, It doesnt explain the mysterious mechanism CatfishBilly:Hmmmm Only about 40 cases reported among the billions of people that have died since 1982..... Hmmmmm, that should raise an eyebrow..... Anyway..... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 1:53pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:Raise an eyebrow to what? Come out plainly and say it. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by Joagbaje(m): 1:55pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Its a spiritual experience. man is first a sprit ,he lives ,interact and function through a physical body with the material world. when a man dies . actually man doesn't die . The spirit exit the body but still lives on. some spirits may stay around for couple of days . some leaves to hell or heaven immediately . some of the people who came back to life spoke about how they came out of their bodies and recounted details of the event around them some even were pulled out of the building as they departs the earth and mentions objects of the roof of the tall building which they never knew existed there normally . most of the people that came back have similar stories. not that they were locked in the body but that they came out of the body. That means they were dead. they mostly came back by prayer of others or a divine being God or jesus sends them back. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by spacetacular(f): 2:01pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom: Sorry I responded to you in the first instance. I will cease forthwith for the simple fact that the words "unknown" seems to hold a different meaning with you especially when you attach conclusion to it as a lean. Have a great day sir |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by jonbellion(m): 5:20pm On May 15, 2017 |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 5:28pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly:That number is statistically insignificant. |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by CatfishBilly: 5:34pm On May 15, 2017 |
felixomor:Statistically insignificant to what? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by felixomor: 6:10pm On May 15, 2017 |
CatfishBilly:You want me to explain what "statistically insignificant" means? And u say u r conversant with statistics? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by bennyann: 10:12pm On May 15, 2017 |
onyenze123: So you where do you stand? |
Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by Max24: 10:18pm On May 15, 2017 |
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Re: Coming Back From The Dead, A Religious Miracle? A Doctor's Perspective. by bennyann: 10:24pm On May 15, 2017 |
akintom: Your post is so bias. Like seriously? All your questions and answers made sense until you got to the last one and do you know why? Because you made it look absolute, like 100%, like generally it can never be while the others you gave them hope.... When you check within you with this way of write up, you yourself will know you were so partial. That alone speaks volumes. 1. Do we yet 2 . is there a 100% 3.... Based on present level 4. Do we have absolute 5. Is... part of Then when you got to prayers, you generalized it in an absolute way. Take am easy now... Must you defend to that extent? Let your heart still be intact ooo 2 Likes |
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