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Did they? Well, making of babies involve human participation evidently. You guys have a lot of fumble as it were.

Human participation wouldn't override God's right?

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What have you done with your concerns? Encourage us.

Prayed and fasted

Akdegreat:


Human participation wouldn't override God's right?

It can and most times does. If you don't copulate for instance, you're not likely to get anything in centuries irrespective of God's wishes and plans. That's clear and obvious enough i presume.

HardMirror:

Prayed and fasted

You do? That's very nice of you. To whom do you pray by the way? Is that all you have done? With all your concern and agitation and thought you would have done more though IMHO.

Akiintom:

Just how did sin causes birth malformation, is what i want you to explain here.

I define "sin" as the cause of imperfection.
Lack of perfection.
In the original design (our bodies) were created perfectly.
That would mean...void of any malformations, deformities or impairments (visual, auditory, physical etc.).
If our bodies decay.....which they do as we age...that means that we are imperfect.
If a person needs earring aids, glasses, a cane to walk etc....that shows a sign of an impairment(s)...as "small" as those may be.
Adam & Eve didn't need those things because their bodies were created perfectly.....
That baby born with only one eye...wasn't God's original perfect plan. Ideally, it would've had two eyes.
The original sin has caused havoc on this earth.
It causes situation to be "less than ideal".
It doesn't mean that it was anyone's fault that the deformity occurred. It could hapoen to anyone.
However, good can come from a challenging situation.
However, in the end, the world and the overcomers will be transformed back into its original state.
1 Cor. 15:53 (paraphrased) says that those who have surrendered to Christ and have overcome will have to be changed from "corruptible" to "incorruptible" bodies....from "mortality" to "immortality".
What does that tell you about our bodies then?

CC: HardMirror

Watch this straight one though, don't lemme literally tamper with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSm53M-54Q0&itct=CD8Q3DAYACITCOqN197YmNQCFQS0VQodhn4ELFoYVUNETU9FajZsbmVaV2dycC1yOEtxWElR&gl=NG&client=mv-google&hl=en

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You do? That's very nice of you. To whom do you pray by the way? Is that all you have done? With all your concern and agitation and thought you would have done more though IMHO.

problem is the prayers never work, but I so seeking a better solution to expensive surgeries that the poor families have to fund. Do you have any suggestions

MZLady39:


I define "sin" as the cause of imperfection.
Lack of perfection.
In the original design (our bodies) were created perfectly.
That would mean...void of any malformations, deformities or impairments (visual, auditory, physical etc.).
If our bodies decay.....which they do as we age...that means that we are imperfect.
If a person needs earring aids, glasses, a cane to walk etc....that shows a sign of an impairment(s)...as "small" as those may be.
Adam & Eve didn't need those things because their bodies were created perfectly.....
That baby born with only one eye...wasn't God's original perfect plan.
1 Cor. 15:53 (paraphrased) says that those who have surrendered to Christ and have overcome will have to be changed from "corruptible" to "incorruptible" bodies....from "mortality" to "immortality".
What does that tell you about our bodies then?

CC: HardMirror

You ain't making sense. Tell us how sin affects genetics resulting to death. What part of our genetics does sin affect and what is the relationship. I I can tell you how cholesterol can lead to heart attacks. Smoking can lead to cancer and they can be explicitly explained and related. Etc

mrmrmister:


"it was a result of sin"

What word can be used in place of the above?

I cannot change the wording I used.
I don't see deformities as punishment.
The baby is not useless because it has those challenges....
However, those things can happen to anyone. There's no monopoly on who suffers challenges on this earth.
I say again....that in God's original sin-free/perfect plan, situations like this wouldn't have existed.

MZLady39:


I cannot change the wording I used.
I don't see deformities as punishment.
The baby is not useless because it has those challenges....
However, those things can happen to anyone. There's no monopoly on who suffers challenges on this earth.
I say again....that in God's original sin-free/perfect plan, situations like this wouldn't have existed.

What was God's perfect plan?

[quote author=mrmrmister post=57040513]

What was God's perfect plan?
/quote]

Peaceful, loving fellowship with the angels in the Kingdom originally....and then with humans once they were created on Earth.
Clearly, some sort of "government" existed...meaning structure/organization existed in the Kingdom....and we also know that once Adam was created, he was given a job and dominion over the earth (Gen. 1:28, 2:15).

[quote author=MZLady39 post=57040579][/quote]

What disrupted the plan?

MZLady39:


I cannot change the wording I used.
I don't see deformities as punishment.
The baby is not useless because it has those challenges....
However, those things can happen to anyone. There's no monopoly on who suffers challenges on this earth.
I say again....that in God's original sin-free/perfect plan, situations like this wouldn't have existed.

Kindly check your mail.

Thanks.

CandidSeeker:


Kindly check your mail.

Thanks.

Seen.
Thanks....will modify

mrmrmister:


What disrupted the plan?

SIN.....disobedience.

MZLady39:


SIN.....disobedience.

Explain.

HardMirror:

You ain't making sense. Tell us how sin affects genetics resulting to death. What part of our genetics does sin affect and what is the relationship. I I can tell you how cholesterol can lead to heart attacks. Smoking can lead to cancer and they can be explicitly explained and related. Etc

Ok...well my apologies. I've stated that all health issues are a result of living in an imperfect world.
Without a spiritual understanding, this won't make any logical sense to you. Sorry

mrmrmister:


Explain.

Read Genesis Chapters 2 & 3....then we can talk more brother

MZLady39:


Read Genesis Chapters 2 & 3....then we can talk more brother

You're calm, I love that.

Kindly answer one of the questions below:

"Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit"

1. Who created the forbidden tree?
And why?

2. God had a perfect plan but created a tree that could disrupt the whole plan. Discuss.

3. The "Garden of Eden" story is the most crappy story in the bible. Give your answers for or against.

mrmrmister:


"Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit"

Who created the forbidden tree?
And why?

God had a perfect plan but created a tree that could disrupt the whole plan. Discuss.

The "Garden of Eden" story is the most crappy story in the bible. Give your answers for or against.

Brother,
It's been a long time since I've been in school...lol.
Shouldn't you be in bed? Isn't it late in Nigeria?
Don't you need some rest so you can get back up & torment Christians here in the Religion section in a few hours?
It's not late where I am, but I've spent a few hours on NL and now it's time for me to bow out ok?
So good night to you.....see you later

MZLady39:



Brother,
It's been a long time since I've been in school...lol.
Shouldn't you be in bed? Isn't it late in Nigeria?
Don't you need some rest so you can get back up & torment Christians here in the Religion section in a few hours?
It's not late where I am, but I've spent a few hours on NL and now it's time for me to bow out ok?
So good night to you.....see you later

I'm in bed already

The questions aren't running away, you can answer them whenever you feel like.
And I don't torment Christians, I simply ask questions.

Goodnight to you too.

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Did they? Well, making of babies involve human participation evidently. You guys have a lot of fumble as it were.

and who made the humans?

MZLady39:


I define "sin" as the cause of imperfection.
Lack of perfection.
In the original design (our bodies) were created perfectly.
That would mean...void of any malformations, deformities or impairments (visual, auditory, physical etc.).
If our bodies decay.....which they do as we age...that means that we are imperfect.
If a person needs earring aids, glasses, a cane to walk etc....that shows a sign of an impairment(s)...as "small" as those may be.
Adam & Eve didn't need those things because their bodies were created perfectly.....
That baby born with only one eye...wasn't God's original perfect plan. Ideally, it would've had two eyes.
The original sin has caused havoc on this earth.
It causes situation to be "less than ideal".
It doesn't mean that it was anyone's fault that the deformity occurred. It could hapoen to anyone.
However, good can come from a challenging situation.
However, in the end, the world and the overcomers will be transformed back into its original state.
1 Cor. 15:53 (paraphrased) says that those who have surrendered to Christ and have overcome will have to be changed from "corruptible" to "incorruptible" bodies....from "mortality" to "immortality".
What does that tell you about our bodies then?

CC: HardMirror

what sins did animals commit as they have imperfections too?

CandidSeeker:


My Sister,

Eating from 'the tree' only gave them access to the 'knowledge of good and evil', God's original plan was for them to eat immortality from 'the tree of LIFE':

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. - Gen.2:16-17

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: -Gen.3:23

(Modified)

-Peace.

Combine the 2verse you quoted and you're at what MZLady39 is saying. They were meant to live forever. . .but when they ate the fruit, they died. Genesis 2:17. Also, they obtained the knowledge of good and evil. at this point, if they should eat of the tree again, they would return....

...they would return to their state of immortality, but this time, with the knowledge of good and evil.

The Former, they were immortal beings without knowledge of good and evil. . .the latter would be that they will be immortal with knowledge of good and evil. lemme stop here. #CandidSeeker.

Akiintom:

Just finding it impossible, to link sin with birth malformation.

Should you find it impossible?

Romans 5:12-21 explains that clearly.

12. "wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

6:23 says the same thing. Sin brought imperfection to the earth especially upon those who have sinned.

All have sinned and the consequencies of sin is upon all except those who Jesus have taken away their sins, those who have faith in Him.

Notice: The death of Jesus and the justification he brought is not automatically given to anyone, except those who have faith in him. There4, children are still under the condemnation brought upon all by Adam's sin.

I'll stop here.

lepasharon:


Shebi christians say everything god makes is good?

Everything God made was good until sin came into the world.

Sin brought imperfections, troubles, death etc to the earth.

But donot fret, the promise of a PERFECT earth is still up for grab.

DON'T MISS OUT!

HardMirror:

Then God becomes absolutely useless? Cos I doubt if God ever solved any birth defect before and now the so called immortality may be the doing of man yet again

God has solved many.

See John 9:1-7 and Acts 3:1-10.

Those accts are actually accts of those born with those deformities and God solved those problems.

And He's still solving problems today!

mrmrmister:

What disrupted the plan?

Misusage of Freedom of Choice.

mrmrmister:

You're calm, I love that.

Kindly answer one of the questions below:

"Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit"

1. Who created the forbidden tree?
And why?

2. God had a perfect plan but created a tree that could disrupt the whole plan. Discuss.

3. The "Garden of Eden" story is the most crappy story in the bible. Give your answers for or against.

Lemme quickly trash these questions.

1. From the beginning, God didn't creat robots. He created beings with freedom of choice both Angels and Humans alike.

Sin originated when a freewill being misused it's freewill and chose evil rather than good. That being was Lucifer. And afterwards, he led other Angels astray with himself, and ultimately, Humans.

They all being freewill beings, chose their paths themselves.

Why did God creat the Tree?

That's very simple. There's no freewill where there's no multiple choices.

2. Do you know God's plan?
His plan was to have worshippers who worship Him out of their freewill.
Now, tell me why there shouldn't be an alternative path.



Lastly, I won't give you the privilege of answering the last question.

MZLady39:


Brother,
I do agree about the spiritual death, but didn't they both have to also die physically..cause had they not eaten from the tree they would've lived eternally right?

It is appointed for every physical being to come to an end.