Angel196:


Seriously, why do you guys keep turning in circles? Haven't I explained giving valid proofs from the Quran itself? It's left for you to bring your own proof from that same Quran to debunk it. It's all recorded.

Talking about history, where you there when it all happened? How are you so sure it's a lie? Because you hate Islam and don't care about the truth?

I don't see points arguing with you any more cause I can see you aren't interested in proofs or the truth. If you are tired of running in circles then maybe we can have a reasonable discussion. When I debate, I deal with facts and proofs not thoughts and opinions.

Keep hating but beware, hatred darkens the soul and blocks the heart.

I presented a proof of 'fault' in the quran to your partner.
Here it is again:
A case in point – an example:
Sura 18:83-86 claims the sun sets in a spring or pool of muddy water.
Does the sun set in a pool of muddy water?

plainbibletruth:


There are 'faults' in the quran.
A case in point – an example:
Sura 18:83-86 claims the sun sets in a spring or pool of muddy water.
Does the sun set in a pool of muddy water as claimed by the quran?

U can see now that your lie is now obvious.... I have gone through that verse nothing like sun there.......sura 18 is kahf.....pls bring the actual text I will love Arabic and English, copy and paste it here...bloody liar.....

plainbibletruth:


There are 'faults' in the quran.
A case in point – an example:
Sura 18:83-86 claims the sun sets in a spring or pool of muddy water.
Does the sun set in a pool of muddy water as claimed by the quran?

U are a liar I have gone through that verse nothing like sun there.........sura 18 is kahf...I will be glad if u can paste the Arabic and English text here respectively.... Bloody liar

plainbibletruth:

I presented a proof of 'fault' in the quran to your partner.
Here it is again:
A case in point – an example:
Sura 18:83-86 claims the sun sets in a spring or pool of muddy water.
Does the sun set in a pool of muddy water?

Very funny. Seriously you people are amazing.

First of all we were talking about violence and war not errors but anyways let me enlighten you.

18:86 Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.

Have you ever lived near a sea or any pool of water in general? Have you ever seen sun setting in those areas? Let me attach a photo to make you see better but before that, that verse wasn't saying the sun fell into the water or any of that misconceptions but was explaining the pattern sun sets in some areas with water bodies.

What will you use in explaining the pattern of sun set in that photo? What does it look like?

benzics:

Lol, so you prefer war and hate letters to love letters?? Not supporting the Bible too, cuz they are same, a plagiarism of the Jewish Torah

Love here does not connote wat u think oooo

Incessant relationship letters in the Bible....valentines day is a typical example where you can mate with another man's wife all in the name of love wise up bro

benzics:



Good explanation there though, only if they were true... You see I get this feeling whenever am arguing with a Muslim, that they are probably practicing taqiyya with me, because they never run out of lies, and they can defend anything.

You keep claiming Mohammed fought in mecca for self defense, and you claim Islam became the main religion of mecca through Allah, well that's a big lie, go tell that to those who easily forget events.. Mecca was made Islamic after Mohammed launched his religious wars forcing unbelievers to convert or die (if they won't pay taxes), unbelievers had to convert, run, or pay taxes in fear for their lives, and you are here claiming "Allah" did it..

OK, you still hold the notion that Mohammed always fought in self defense, what about the invasion of Jerusalem by Muslims ? Did the Jews come to mecca to kill islamists or was Jerusalem also Mohammed's land?

Muslims have always followed the instructions and lifestyle of Mohammed, the hijirah you keep talking about, isn't that the style of Muslims? Like how they take over any country they are allowed in..

Look at Iran, was Iran originally Islamic? Or did Allah make Iran Islamic??

One peculiar thing about Muslims is that they hold the notion "Islam will dominate the world", and the extreme ones will go to any limits, even suicide bombing themselves to see that that happens.. Just look at immigrants into London, who were pitied by the British government, they are now calling for sharia to be the order of the Land in London...

Islam is nothing but terrible!

Uthman, Osama, what about the Islamic leader that killed a writer for writing "the satanic verses" book, what about Muslims who went around killing people because Mohammed was displayed as a cartoon... That is how re.tarded Muslims can be, killing someone over a cartoon!!!!

If I should be the leader of any nation I'll see to it that the population of Muslims never gets much, because they have this notion.

When in few: We are the religion of peace, don't hate us.

When they are in moderate population: Sharia should be implemented.

When they are many: Islam or else...

If Islam is peaceful, why are it's followers violent?

Hahahaha...who are the original owners of Jerusalem.... Moses did told the Jews to fight with him against their enemy that occupied Jerusalem then but they refused until Moses and a very few among them did.......did you know what d Jews did to Moses and ever since then they have been cursed that they shall never have a particular settlement

halarho:

U are a liar I have gone through that verse nothing like sun there.........sura 18 is kahf...I will be glad if u can paste the Arabic and English text here respectively.... Bloody liar

BUT your 'partner' quoted the exact place i referred to.
So how come you didn't see it?
Don't be too quick to react.
Go back to your quran and check then come back here and apologize for your rashness.

Angel196:


Very funny. Seriously you people are amazing.

First of all we were talking about violence and war not errors but anyways let me enlighten you.

18:86 Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.

Have you ever lived near a sea or any pool of water in general? Have you ever seen sun setting in those areas? Let me attach a photo to make you see better but before that, that verse wasn't saying the sun fell into the water or any of that misconceptions but was explaining the pattern sun sets in some areas with water bodies.

What will you use in explaining the pattern of sun set in that photo? What does it look like?

Note the following:
1. That portion of the quran DID NOT say "it looks like". It clearly says "he reached the place where the sun sets".
2. Also that "he found it going down into".
3. In addition "and found by it a people"
4. By the way, the quran is supposed to be perfectly CLEAR, isn't it?
5. So it shouldn't take posting photos of sunset to explain it. Those who initially read it had no photos, did they?

Let me ask you another question: how did Mohamed interpret that portion of the quran?

plainbibletruth:


Note the following:
1. That portion of the quran DID NOT say "it looks like". It clearly says "he reached the place where the sun sets".
2. Also that "he found it going down into".
3. In addition "and found by it a people"
4. By the way, the quran is supposed to be perfectly CLEAR, isn't it?
5. So it shouldn't take posting photos of sunset to explain it. Those who initially read it had no photos, did they?

Let me ask you another question: how did Mohamed interpret that portion of the quran?

God, what will it take for you people to keep away their ignorance?

1. There are some things common sense will tell you is not literal. If I wanted to describe something like that to people with little understanding that's how I'll put it for them to understand just as i will tell people that the water found far down a road is a mirage.

2. Yes, he found it going down into the sea, which was what the sun was doing in that picture even though it wasn't literarily.

3. Yes it said found by it a people, which meant by the water not by the sun. Or don't tell me you thought it was by then sun..

4. Yes, the Quran is clear to those literate enough to understand it not those who are only seeking for errors without any understanding of it.

5. The way I interpreted it is the real meaning, nothing else. That's the way it was revealed to him and that's the way he put it and interpreted it. If you can't understand it, don't blame anyone. It's just like not understanding a medical statement then saying there's an error with it.

Angel196:


God, what will it take for you people to keep away their ignorance?

1. There are some things common sense will tell you is not literal. If I wanted to describe something like that to people with little understanding that's how I'll put it for them to understand just as i will tell people that the water found far down a road is a mirage.

2. Yes, he found it going down into the sea, which was what the sun was doing in that picture even though it wasn't literarily.

3. Yes it said found by it a people, which meant by the water not by the sun. Or don't tell me you thought it was by then sun..

4. Yes, the Quran is clear to those literate enough to understand it not those who are only seeking for errors without any understanding of it.

5. The way I interpreted it is the real meaning, nothing else. That's the way it was revealed to him and that's the way he put it and interpreted it. If you can't understand it, don't blame anyone. It's just like not understanding a medical statement then saying there's an error with it.

It's all the more AMAZING that many of you Moslems are so ignorant of what your religion is all about.

So you now need 'common sense' to FILTER OUT or 'see' which portions of the PERFECTLY CLEAR quran is not literal.

Did it even occur to you that the portion was a narration of a person's experience?

You're being deceptive when you begin to twist things. Was Mohamed presented the picture you're now trying to use to cover up your ignorance or is it deception?

What is the focus of that portion of the quran - the SUN or the SEA? Don't tell me you think it's the sea that the portion is talking about.

The clear quran should be understandable to all; shouldn't it?

Now let's look at Mohamed's own interpretation in the hadith and see if it agrees with yours so as to know who is right or wrong - Mohamed or yourself. Perhaps you may have received better UNDERSTANDING than your prophet.

Let's see where and how:
Let's see the hadith.
In Sunan Abu Dawud 3991 we find this:
Abu Dhar said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

You can immediately see then that there is absolutely no room for your kind of reinterpretation of what the quran said. So the PERFECTLY CLEAR quran tells us that the sun sets in a pool of water.

So do you agree with your quran and your prophet or you prefer to still rely on your "COMMON SENSE" interpretation?

Do you agree there is at least this 'fault' in the quran?

plainbibletruth:


It's all the more AMAZING that many of you Moslems are so ignorant of what your religion is all about.

So you now need 'common sense' to FILTER OUT or 'see' which portions of the PERFECTLY CLEAR quran is not literal.

Did it even occur to you that the portion was a narration of a person's experience?

You're being deceptive when you begin to twist things. Was Mohamed presented the picture you're now trying to use to cover up your ignorance or is it deception?

What is the focus of that portion of the quran - the SUN or the SEA? Don't tell me you think it's the sea that the portion is talking about.

The clear quran should be understandable to all; shouldn't it?

Now let's look at Mohamed's own interpretation in the hadith and see if it agrees with yours so as to know who is right or wrong - Mohamed or yourself. Perhaps you may have received better UNDERSTANDING than your prophet.

Let's see where and how:
Let's see the hadith.
In Sunan Abu Dawud 3991 we find this:
Abu Dhar said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

You can immediately see then that there is absolutely no room for your kind of reinterpretation of what the quran said. So the PERFECTLY CLEAR quran tells us that the sun sets in a pool of water.

So do you agree with your quran and your prophet or you prefer to still rely on your "COMMON SENSE" interpretation?

Do you agree there is at least this 'fault' in the quran?

This a big waste of time. Discussion with people like you seriously ain't worth it, sorry to say. Anyone who's been going through all my discussion will know. You can never accept the truth about something you've clearly decided to see the bad of even if its true. One day, everyone will know the truth.

Have a wonderful night.

Angel196:


This a big waste of time. Discussion with people like you seriously ain't worth it, sorry to say. Anyone who's been going through all my discussion will know. You can never accept the truth about something you've clearly decided to see the bad of even if its true. One day, everyone will know the truth.

Have a wonderful night.

I take this as an admission from you that you're defeated.
You cannot go against your prophet, can you?
Cheers!

plainbibletruth:


I take this as an admission from you that you're defeated.
You cannot go against your prophet, can you?
Cheers!

Hahaha Hahaha, defeat indeed.

I can never go against the prophet cause what I've been saying is exactly what he meant. The fact that you can't even understand it is pathetic. But I'm not wasting anymore time here with ignorant people like you.

If feeling you've defeated me will make you happy, pathetic but hey, keep on thinking it.

Angel196:


Hahaha Hahaha, defeat indeed.

I can never go against the prophet cause what I've been saying is exactly what he meant. The fact that you can't even understand it is pathetic. But I'm not wasting anymore time here with ignorant people like you.

If feeling you've defeated me will make you happy, pathetic but hey, keep on thinking it.

Even in the face of facts there are those of you who will still choose to hold on to the contrary.

Note that no one can face a wrong direction and find himself in the right destination.

Self-deception can be a terrible thing.

If the quran and Mohamed said "the sun sets in a pool of water" and you come now to say " what I've been saying is exactly what he meant": and what have you been saying? - " Yes, he found it going down into the sea, which was what the sun was doing in that picture even though it wasn't literarily." and you can't see yourself being dishonest then that is the height of self-deception.

Is "the sun sets in a pool of water " the same as "(is like) the sun was doing in that picture even though it wasn't literal"?
You have allowed yourself to be brainwashed by a terrible propaganda.

If you choose wrongly your eternity is at stake.
You have been warned!

plappville:


DO you understand Arabic better than the Arabs? Why is Saudi (sunny) and Iran (shiit) great enemies up to the extent of suicide bombing each other? The reason why there are so much terrorist groups in The Arabian world is because of the satanic Religion created by Muhammad. Look at other parts of the world. Only in the Middle East you hear of daily suicide bombing. Pathetic!

U are wasting your time with yoruba Muslim..


Happy New month... Love, happiness, success this new month.

halarho:

Hahahaha......Ur question looks childish... It is equal to me asking u why some Christians are redeem and some chosen....... No matter group u follow u are still reaching a goal provided the basis still stand.....#grow up boy

Why are they killing each other for ages now. Reply me. Read tbis and see How muslim terrorists brag about Killing Christians, Infidels and Shiites. You people are just after blood. It doesn't matters the age of the person. A 2 year old child was amongst the 29 Christians killed. Where is urs tolerance? Same way they kill teenagers In Manchester last week. All for allah.

ISIS Declares After Slaughtering Christians ‘May Allah Bless The Pure Hands That Shed Christian Blood, The Infidels Will Submit Or Die’

by Andrew Bieszad on May 29, 2017 in Featured, General



If it weren’t terrible enough that 29 Christians were slaughtered by ISIS terrorists for refusing to deny Christ, ISIS has made it a point to add insult to injury, where they bragged online about the massacre, calling the murderers “pure hands” that shed Christian blood, and boasting that the “infidels” will convert or die:



Islamic State sympathizers have written several messages in an encrypted chat room, celebrating last week’s killing of 29 Coptic Christians who were on their way to a monastery in Egypt, and warning of more such attacks on the minority, according to a report.

“May your jihad be blessed; you are sons of the Islamic State. Bless the pure hands that struck the strongholds of the Christians and the infidels,” wrote a user, Talha Alanssari, in a closed, encrypted chat group accessed by Breitbart Jerusalem.

The message continued, “Thank Allah who made our hearts happy with the heroic attack of the nation of Caliphs against the Christians in Egypt who should expect more attacks. The same Christians will not have the luxury of security and they will pay … the taxes of the Jizya (tax levied on non-Muslims) with the help of Allah.”

Another message by Oubaida Alsinawi reads, “Thank Allah who allowed our brothers to hunt these Christians as the hunter hunts his prey. The soldiers of the Islamic State will continue in an open-ended campaign with these Christians and traitorous Muslims in the Egyptian army and the tribes that help them in Sinai. I swear to Allah that our brothers in the field are demonstrating creativity as they reach these Christians and infidels and all those who help them. The attacks that have yet to come will be much harder with the help of Allah.”

Yet another chat user, identified as Hamza Alraqawi, wrote, “You warmed our hearts as our Mujahedeen brothers did who struck in England, Belgium, France, America and Russia. We say to you, continue with the blessing of Allah and increase your attacks and don’t allow them to continue harming the oppressed on the Earth.”

Another user, called “The Sheikh of the Caliphate,” wrote, “The war against the Christians is no less important than the war against the Shi’ites and against the infidels.”

Children, including a 2-year-old girl, were among the 29 killed Friday.

The Christians were traveling in two buses and a small truck in Minya, which is home to a sizeable Christian minority, when they were attacked. Masked gunmen stopped the vehicles on a road leading to the monastery.

New reports indicate that each person was asked to deny their faith in Jesus Christ. When they all refused, they were shot dead.

Hours after Friday’s attack, Egypt’s air force launched six strikes over its western border, targeting jihadist training camps in the Libyan port city of Derna, which is controlled by jihadists close to al-Qaeda.

Earlier this month, Islamic State’s local leader in Egypt issued a warning to Muslims, asking them to stay away from Christian gatherings and suggesting that it would launch new attacks on “legitimate targets.”

On Palm Sunday, bombings at churches in Alexandria and Tanta killed 45 Christians. Islamic State, also known as IS, ISIS, ISIL or Daesh, claimed responsibility for those attacks. IS also signaled while claiming responsibility that more attacks were coming: “The Crusaders and their tails from the apostates must be aware that the bill between us and them is very large and they will be paying it like a river of blood from their sons, if God willing.”

Sinai Province, the name of the local affiliate of IS in Egypt, is seeking to impose a hardline interpretation of Islam in the country.

Coptic Christians, who make up about 10 percent of Egypt’s population of 92 million, have been the subject of a series of deadly attacks in recent months.


http://shoebat.com/2017/05/29/isis-dec

Angel196:


This a big waste of time. Discussion with people like you seriously ain't worth it, sorry to say. Anyone who's been going through all my discussion will know. You can never accept the truth about something you've clearly decided to see the bad of even if its true. One day, everyone will know the truth.

Have a wonderful night.

hahahahaha

This one has been confronted with the irrefutable truth. Check out the way he ran away after discovering that his Al taquiya doesn't hold water anymore.

good job plainbibletruth

halarho:


Hahahaha...who are the original owners of Jerusalem.... Moses did told the Jews to fight with him against their enemy that occupied Jerusalem then but they refused until Moses and a very few among them did.......did you know what d Jews did to Moses and ever since then they have been cursed that they shall never have a particular settlement

The only cursed people i know are the Arabs. They hate themselves and hate others. Kill themselves and kill others. This is a CURSE!!

alBHAGDADI:
hahahahaha

This one has been confronted with the irrefutable truth. Check out the way he ran away after discovering that his Al taquiya doesn't hold water anymore.

good job plainbibletruth

Thats how they do. At first they think they can win souls to Their blood socking moon god by lying. When they discover you are not a novice. That you know much about the religion they profess, they will run away.

Blackfire:




U are wasting your time with yoruba Muslim..


Happy New month... Love, happiness, success this new month.

My bro, how far? I use my spare time. Its not wast but exposing the evil.

Happy new month to you. GOD's BLESSINGS ALWAYS.

plappville:


Thats how they do. At first they think they can win souls to Their blood socking moon god by lying. When they discover you are not a novice. That you know much about the religion they profess, they will run away.

long time.

I remember how you felt when I attacked the Catholic Church a certain time. Now views about them has changed and I'm 70% closed to confirming them to be truthful. This are in light of the expository I get from walid shoebat. I now see why it is necessary to revere Mary and many more.

God bless.

plainbibletruth:


I take this as an admission from you that you're defeated.
You cannot go against your prophet, can you?
Cheers!

Of course she cannot. When Muhammad says hate and kill the infidels, isis obeyed and carry out the order. But the moderate muslims will go against Muhammad and say, Isis are not the true Muslims. But according to the Quran and Hadiths. ISIS AND CO fit in as true Muslims. They follow the quran to its letter.

alBHAGDADI:
long time.

I remember how you felt when I attacked the Catholic Church a certain time. Now views about them has changed and I'm 70% closed to confirming them to be truthful. This are in light of the expository I get from walid shoebat. I now see why it is necessary to revere Mary and many more.

God bless.

Hi, longest time bro, the truth is that I do attack Catholic alot in the Past, but in some doctrines/traditions like Bowing down to the image of Mary, Infant Baptism, conserving the hearts of dead Popes etc. But that does not mean we are not in thesame body of Christ.

The most important thing is thst, We are all Christians. We believe in his virgin Birth, His death and ressurection, His Apostles etc. What we see in most church today are men traditions. It is human to always try to modify what has been written.

Not only the Catholic church is involved in men traditions. Baptist, Penticostal and co. Its very important to Follow only the written words of the Scripture.

Be informed that I am not a Catholic, i am just a Christian like you even if I attend a Baptist Church.
I do not accept all their practices. For example, during Christmas, I am alway absent because they do programme. I have told the Pastor I didnt see Christmas in the Bible but Christ Death. And told Him History made it clear how Christmas came into the Church. Not through the 12 Apostles but Through the Catholic Church.


Although He was not pleased, But i didnt change my mind on this. What I know is that they cannot stop me from coming to worship God the the Church