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oneolajire:
Read your bible very well.

After death, you body goes into the grave, your spirit goes somewhere, either to Jesus or a place of torment before the resurrection day.



Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.


Here Stephen went somewhere, his spirit to Jesus and his body to the grave. Stephen saw Jesus at the point of death, no JW has seen angel at the point of death not to talk of seeing Jesus because they have a false hope. We are going where Stephen went, what about you?


Philippians 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Paul is making a choice of where to be, alive on earth in the flesh or after death to be with Jesus. Can't you see this for God's sake?


Resurrection take place later. Bible preaches resurrection, and it shall be so.


After death, You are going to the grave says Your bible

King James Version
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. - Eccl 9 vs 10

The bible lied ?


Paul of the Bible is a strong advocate of Resurrection of the dead . that's what he is talking about uthor=frosbel2 post=57073415]

Difficult to reason with people who have been brainwashed and incapable of thinking out of the box. I was once like that for many years. Just keep helping them with the scriptures as you are, who knows, one day they may be blessed with understanding.

be focused

Please what is this spirit you are talking about ? and secondly Do animals have it ? 

Jessicha:
be focused

Please what is this spirit you are talking about ? and secondly Do animals have it ? 

Good question.

They seem not to understand that spirit in this context is not a separate being to man but the breath or life force of God that he imparts to man and which when man dies returns to God. So simple as ABC.

oneolajire:
Quote all the scriptures you think you have, you'll get nowhere. You Jw's pick the bible like one written by William Shakespeare, you study and give your meanings and you think that's how to search for God or know him? Guy when God finds you, you'll cry ever once being a JW.

Genuinely pray that God should find you the way he found Paul, and you'll experience everlasting life. It is then God will teach you how to find him.

That confirms it, you have chosen to remain ignorant. You could have defined hell from the Bible. Let me help you out. What is ''Hell'' according to ''KJV'' Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Therefore, HELL can be defined as a place where soul and body is ''DESTROYED''. ''OneOlajire'' is this A. True B. False C. This KJV is an Ignorant version. D. I choose to remain Ignorant. Please mind the words in capital letters before you reply.
Another question for you to ponder, why did Jesus christ your Lord and personal Saviour did not include the spirit in Matthew 10:28?

[quote author=oneolajire post=57072589]JMAN05, nice to see you on this thread

Ask your fellow Jw's, if there is no lake of fire, what do people have to lose if they reject the paradise on earth you promise those who join your congregation? What do occults, robbers, idolaters, sinners etc have to lose if they chose not to follow your doctrine, since they will have an abrupt end as JW teaches?

See, if there is nothing to lose, there is no paradise on earth to gain




Students study for exams because they don't want to 'lose'.
Parents train their children because they don't want to 'lose'
And the list is endless.

But JW'S preach that God has everlasting paradise for believers but no everlasting punishment for those who reject the offer of Jesus salvation as well those who live in sin! This is ridiculous.

Even civil governments have jails for offenders.

Don't you even see that your doctrine promotes ungodliness? A doctrine of no hell fire is suitable for those who love deceit.

JMAN05, may your eyes of understanding be enlightened.



Mr Advocate of hell fire, lemme ask you this simple question.....Please, where are the ungodly ones destroyed during the time of Noah, are they also being tortured in hell fire? waiting for your response

oneolajire:
You have heard the gospel, you have options to accept or reject. But it will do you good when you accept the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.  ‎

l think that chisos don die?

Jessicha:
be focused


[cod[quote author=achorladey post=57094609]That confirms it, you have chosen to remain ignorant. You could have defined hell from the Bible. Let me help you out. What is ''Hell'' according to ''KJV'' Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Therefore, HELL can be defined as a place where soul and body is ''DESTROYED''. ''OneOlajire'' is this A. True B. False C. This KJV is an Ignorant version. D. I choose to remain Ignorant. Please mind the words in capital letters before you reply.
Another question for you to ponder, why did Jesus christ your Lord and personal Saviour did not include the spirit in Matthew 10:28?

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frosbel2:
Good question.

They seem not to understand that spirit in this context is not a separate being to man but the breath or life force of God that he imparts to man and which when man dies returns to God. So simple as ABC.

Plea

Jessicha:
be focused

Please what is this spirit you are talking about ? and secondly Do animals have it ? 

se what is this spirit you are talking about ? and secondly Do animals have it ? [/code][/quote]Error of Jw's: they assume "GOD'S BREATH is THE SPIRIT OF A MAN'


Let me show you in the Bible that man is a SPIRIT BEING and God's breath is different from human spirit.

1 Corinthians  2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man [/b]which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
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Romans  8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with [b]our spirit, that we are the children of God:


See in these scriptures that the bible is talking of something INDEPENDENT. Something intrinsic, and discreet of everyone


Other word used for human spirit is inner man
Ephesians  3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

[/b]The spirit man is where the Holy Spirit connects and dwells when you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. It is the place where the devil wants to sit. 

2 Corinthians  4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

Your spirit man or inward man is the real you.

[b]ANOTHER WORD FOR HUMAN SPIRIT

The heart:

Ephesians  3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

How do Christ get into ones heart?

Jw's think it is by the study of the bible with their congregation.


Romans  10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
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Romans  10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The bible is not talking of the part of the body that pumps blood, no. That part of the body that pumps blood cannot make decisions. The Bible is talking of the spirit man, that can accept or reject Jesus. The breath you breath can't make decisions as well, so human spirit is not God's breath in you.



THE SPIRIT IS THE PART OF YOU THAT WORSHIPS OR FELLOWSHIPS WITH GOD OR DEVIL
 
John  4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

It is easier for the people in the occultic world to realise their spirit nature. The stay at home, go to coven in the spirit realm with their spirit man and manipulate people's lives in the spiritual realm.
Those people dine with the devil always.

Worship or fellowship is done in the spirit realm, because God himself is a spirit. When we christians worship, God wants our unalloyed attention. You can't have acceptable worship if Christ does not dwell in your spirit, you must have made Jesus your Lord and your saviour. 

Jw's have unacceptable worship because they do not make Jesus their Lord and Saviour, they do not have the Spirit of God cos they do not have the Spirit of Jesus Roman 8:9   Jw's want to know Jesus, just by bible study(like any other book) and, they don't know the forgiveness of sin we talk about as well as the holy living God makes us(we christians) to have.

More to come..............‎

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jonbellion:
you didn't answer
The christian population is 30%
Do you believe 70% of humanity is going to burn forever since they aren't christians and do you believe it makes sense?

any body who does not accept jesus will burn in for sure

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oneolajire:
Error of Jw's: they assume "GOD'S BREATH is THE SPIRIT OF A MAN'


Let me show you in the Bible that man is a SPIRIT BEING and God's breath is different from human spirit.

1 Corinthians  2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man [/b]which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
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Romans  8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with [b]our spirit, that we are the children of God:


See in these scriptures that the bible is talking of something INDEPENDENT. Something intrinsic, and discreet of everyone


Other word used for human spirit is inner man
Ephesians  3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

[/b]The spirit man is where the Holy Spirit connects and dwells when you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. It is the place where the devil wants to sit. 

2 Corinthians  4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

Your spirit man or inward man is the real you.

[b]ANOTHER WORD FOR HUMAN SPIRIT

The heart:

Ephesians  3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

How do Christ get into ones heart?

Jw's think it is by the study of the bible with their congregation.


Romans  10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
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Romans  10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The bible is not talking of the part of the body that pumps blood, no. That part of the body that pumps blood cannot make decisions. The Bible is talking of the spirit man, that can accept or reject Jesus. The breath you breath can't make decisions as well, so human spirit is not God's breath in you.



THE SPIRIT IS THE PART OF YOU THAT WORSHIPS OR FELLOWSHIPS WITH GOD OR DEVIL
 
John  4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

It is easier for the people in the occultic world to realise their spirit nature. The stay at home, go to coven in the spirit realm with their spirit man and manipulate people's lives in the spiritual realm.
Those people dine with the devil always.

Worship or fellowship is done in the spirit realm, because God himself is a spirit. When we christians worship, God wants our unalloyed attention. You can't have acceptable worship if Christ does not dwell in your spirit, you must have made Jesus your Lord and your saviour. 

Jw's have unacceptable worship because they do not make Jesus their Lord and Saviour, they do not have the Spirit of God cos they do not have the Spirit of Jesus Roman 8:9   Jw's want to know Jesus, just by bible study(like any other book) and, they don't know the forgiveness of sin we talk about as well as the holy living God makes us(we christians) to have.

More to come..............‎

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Oga why did Jesus not include spirit in Matthew 10:28? Save yourself this long epistle that has no bearing whatsoever.

achorladey:
Someone said you are only ignorant. Let me bring it out for you to see.
Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
From the scriptures above, will you say the religious leaders do not know God? A. Yes B. No. C. I will like to remain ignorant.
From the scriptures above, will you say Jesus is lying by implying that the religious leaders know what is expected of them but they are not doing it? A. Yes B. No. C. I choose to remain to remain ignorant.
Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
From the scriptures likewise, Do the religious leaders know God or they decided to abandon God on their own? Don't be Ignorant. Matthew 7:7 Seek you will find, Seek God you will find him. In fact he is not far from us Acts 17:27

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Funny you. Was Saul (turned Paul) not one one of the religious extremist before God found him? Didn't he search the scriptures like the Jw's do now?

No one comes to the father except the father draws him

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jesus preached repentance from sin, his disciples preached it as well, but Jw's will preach the kingdom without repentance, so they don't preach God's kingdom but devil's kingdom.

Matt 3:2 Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand

Matt 4:17


When the father searches for you, you have to surrender to him, fellowship with him, that is when you can know him.


Jw's have a false hope. They are being told to repent and make Jesus their Lord and Saviour, but they don't want to, yet they want to know God and inherit his kingdom, what a comedy!

oneolajire:
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Funny you. Was Saul (turned Paul) not one one of the religious extremist before God found him? Didn't he search the scriptures like the Jw's do now?

No one comes to the father except the father draws him

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jesus preached repentance from sin, his disciples preached it as well, but Jw's will preach the kingdom without repentance, so they don't preach God's kingdom but devil's kingdom.

Matt 3:2 Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand

Matt 4:17


When the father searches for you, you have to surrender to him, fellowship with him, that is when you can know him.


Jw's have a false hope. They are being told to repent and make Jesus their Lord and Saviour, but they don't want to, yet they want to know God and inherit his kingdom, what a comedy!

See yourself, read Matthew 23:1,2,3 again maybe you will get the sense of it. Read Matthew 15:3 again. Your ignorance no get boundary.
Oga answer the question in that post. Matthew 7:7 dey follow you fight? Seek God he will let himself be found by you.

oneolajire:
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Funny you. Was Saul (turned Paul) not one one of the religious extremist before God found him? Didn't he search the scriptures like the Jw's do now?

No one comes to the father except the father draws him

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jesus preached repentance from sin, his disciples preached it as well, but Jw's will preach the kingdom without repentance, so they don't preach God's kingdom but devil's kingdom.

Matt 3:2 Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand

Matt 4:17


When the father searches for you, you have to surrender to him, fellowship with him, that is when you can know him.


Jw's have a false hope. They are being told to repent and make Jesus their Lord and Saviour, but they don't want to, yet they want to know God and inherit his kingdom, what a comedy!

Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I MUST preach the KINGDOM OF GOD to other cities also: for therefore am I SENT. Oga another question for. Wetin Jesus come do for earth from that scripture? Please if you dodge the question, it will expose the falsehood you spread about the JWs. Please no tell me say that verse na from NWT. If you want to be lawless do it on your own don't drag other people into your lawlessness. When you are not certain of what some people believe, ask questions. It will do you a lot of good.
If you had a good understanding of the Matthew 23:1,2,3 you will know the know that the religious leaders and Paul knew God but they decided to practice lawlessness out of their own will.(Matthew 15:3)Beware!!!

oneolajire:
Why are Jehovah Witnesses afraid of hell/lake of fire?

Each time you tell a JW member that God will send sinners to hell/lake of fire, they protest as if Jesus didn't talk about it. 

They ask "can you send people to hell if they are your family members"?  They quote Jer 32 vs 35 to defend themselves. 

But the question is, did God allow Sodom and Gomorah to be destroyed by fire? Did God destroy the world during the days of Noah? If yes, God can and will make sinners perish in hell/lake of fire

Matt 25 vs 41 Jesus talks about those whom hell/everlasting fire was originally designed for. Rev 20 vs 15 tells us some humans too will go to lake of fire. 

So why are Jw's taking Jesus for a liar? What are they afraid of? They should stop peddling lies and accept Jesus as their saviour if they don't want to end up in hell/lake of fire.

For more on the LIES of JW's read my write -up by following the link below 

https://www.nairaland.com/3328303/16-terrible-lies-jehovah-witnesses

what I saw on one website on jehovah witness founder awestruck me to the core. I read a testimony of
someone who went to heaven and hell saying that h3 is in hell being tormented. this is the website : christiscoming777.com a man avecedo rodolfo by name had the testimony.

You Jw's are searching for God like the buddist, Hindus, so sure you can't find him unless you allow him to find you. We born again have been found by God, now we can search for Him.

Each time I read your comment, I don't blame you, those I blame are Russels Charles Taze and his cohorts who helped you go astray.

You still have time to repent, accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour.

achorladey:
See yourself, read Matthew 23:1,2,3 again maybe you will get the sense of it. Read Matthew 15:3 again. Your ignorance no get boundary.
Oga answer the question in that post. Matthew 7:7 dey follow you fight? Seek God he will let himself be found by you.

achorladey:
Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I MUST preach the KINGDOM OF GOD to other cities also: for therefore am I SENT. Oga another question for. Wetin Jesus come do for earth from that scripture? Please if you dodge the question, it will expose the falsehood you spread about the JWs. Please no tell me say that verse na from NWT. If you want to be lawless do it on your own don't drag other people into your lawlessness. When you are not certain of what some people believe, ask questions. It will do you a lot of good.
If you had a good understanding of the Matthew 23:1,2,3 you will know the know that the religious leaders and Paul knew God but they decided to practice lawlessness out of their own will.(Matthew 15:3)Beware!!!

achorladey:
Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I MUST preach the KINGDOM OF GOD to other cities also: for therefore am I SENT. Oga another question for. Wetin Jesus come do for earth from that scripture? Please if you dodge the question, it will expose the falsehood you spread about the JWs. Please no tell me say that verse na from NWT. If you want to be lawless do it on your own don't drag other people into your lawlessness. When you are not certain of what some people believe, ask questions. It will do you a lot of good.
If you had a good understanding of the Matthew 23:1,2,3 you will know the know that the religious leaders and Paul knew God but they decided to practice lawlessness out of their own will.(Matthew 15:3)Beware!!!

Preach a kingdom without entry qualification? Even university admission has one. If repentance is not required, preaching is not needed cos everyone will be automatically qualified.

Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. I say repent!

oneolajire:
Assumption is the greatest form of ignorance, as that is what you have displayed. JW has nothing to offer any creature not to talk of being a better human. Read the link to my post on the lies of JW and you'll thank God you knew now before it is too latem

And who made you judge over them?

Watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nbd1TUiAJ0

jonbellion:
start using your brain. They are not afraid it just makes no sense and is not moral or just in any way you want to imagine it
The Christian population of the world is 30%
So you mean people that did not believe in Jesus Christ (70% of the world) would burn forever in eternal anguish

So far, your arguments have been the most logical however, it'd be better if you maintain some objectivity and avoid casting aspersions on folks who opine differently from you.

oneolajire:
Why are Jehovah Witnesses afraid of hell/lake of fire?

Each time you tell a JW member that God will send sinners to hell/lake of fire, they protest as if Jesus didn't talk about it. 

They ask "can you send people to hell if they are your family members"?  They quote Jer 32 vs 35 to defend themselves. 

But the question is, did God allow Sodom and Gomorah to be destroyed by fire? Did God destroy the world during the days of Noah? If yes, God can and will make sinners perish in hell/lake of fire

Matt 25 vs 41 Jesus talks about those whom hell/everlasting fire was originally designed for. Rev 20 vs 15 tells us some humans too will go to lake of fire. 

So why are Jw's taking Jesus for a liar? What are they afraid of? They should stop peddling lies and accept Jesus as their saviour if they don't want to end up in hell/lake of fire.

For more on the LIES of JW's read my write -up by following the link below 

https://www.nairaland.com/3328303/16-terrible-lies-jehovah-witnesses

First of all the JW are different christian sects with different believe. They study the Bible and grasp what they understand and feel about the Bible Leave them to their beliefs .The good thing I learnt about them is exposing some Christians that into idolatry and as a matter of fact they were the ones that convinced me about idolatry

jonbellion:
lool
I'm an atheist
So I see religion for the joke it is

I love the actual Jon Bellion

Why is that most of these church people commenting love to result to abuse and insults when they feel they are losing arguments and has no more means of proving their points...

And you want people to believe your doctrines. You are just hypocrites.

Upon the hellfire the churches are preaching, they commit the most sexual sins, and atrocities than even the non church goers. Hypocrisy.

oneolajire:
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One thing you guys don't want to realise is that humans are SPIRIT beings whose housing or casing is his body/flesh. When man dies, his sheds his casing or flesh, the spirit is eternal. I Thes 5:23. Philippians 1 vs 20-24. 



Yea, you do not exist before you were born, but you will fully realise your existence after death. God knew you before you were formed, he knew you will doubt him. He knew you will argue argue about this topic. 



The occults know that life is spiritual, so they control life from the spiritual realm. They control humans (people who don't accept Jesus) to do immoral things and do evil. They know there is life after death.

Most atheist are from christian backgrounds who feel God's laws are cumbersome. They feel God is unreasonable. What a pity! That Is why they argue from the bible point. God is never bothered, cos he knows those people will regret at the end.    ‎




Repent before it is too late

God is not some kinda Hitler or Assassin waiting for you to commit an offence so he can throw you into a gas/flame chamber... He wants everyone to be saved...

"This is good and pleasing in the eyes of God our Saviour;" ( Timothy 1 02 : 3 )
"Whose desire is that all men may have salvation and come to the knowledge of what is true." ( Timothy 1 02 : 4 )


At least read your Bible... Stop copying peoples sermons!

Jehovah's witnesses are the only true worshippers of Jehovah. Hellfire is an everlasting destruction. It doesn't literally mean a place of fiery torment but a place of final destruction by fire which is second death. Jehovah's witnesses are the only true worshippers of Jehovah. Hellfire is an everlasting destruction. It doesn't literally mean a place of fiery torment but a place of final destruction by fire which is second death.

Leave judgement to God alone.

jonbellion:
Well it's obvious na
Only brainwashed fools will believe in hellfire
The funny thing about the idiotic doctrine is that even if you were a terrible person in your lifetime you can just mumble a few words of repentance on your deathbed and you'd enter sugar candy land and even if you were a normal law abiding good hearted citizen but did not acknowledge the christian God you would go to hell for all eternity
Smh
You must have half a brain to believe judgement like this is just

Kuku go and challenge God or charge him to court na, since you can now judge better than him





Or take over the judgement throne from him since you can do it better













Or go create your own world make you dey live there







Nonsense!

oneolajire:
Why are Jehovah Witnesses afraid of hell/lake of fire?

Each time you tell a JW member that God will send sinners to hell/lake of fire, they protest as if Jesus didn't talk about it. 

They ask "can you send people to hell if they are your family members"?  They quote Jer 32 vs 35 to defend themselves. 

But the question is, did God allow Sodom and Gomorah to be destroyed by fire? Did God destroy the world during the days of Noah? If yes, God can and will make sinners perish in hell/lake of fire

Matt 25 vs 41 Jesus talks about those whom hell/everlasting fire was originally designed for. Rev 20 vs 15 tells us some humans too will go to lake of fire. 

So why are Jw's taking Jesus for a liar? What are they afraid of? They should stop peddling lies and accept Jesus as their saviour if they don't want to end up in hell/lake of fire.

For more on the LIES of JW's read my write -up by following the link below 

https://www.nairaland.com/3328303/16-terrible-lies-jehovah-witnesses

mr Op..please answer this question:

Where presently are the persons destroyed by fire during the Sodom and Gomorrah saga??

joyandfaith:
and people like you that preach hell fire commit sins more than Satan. Destruction by fire is different from burning people in hell fire for life.

Would u deny that Jesus Christ spoke about hell? U people playing with words. Be sincerely

frosbel2:
Because hellfire only exists in the nightmares of brainwashed religious fanatics!

Keep deceiving ur self . if d sun is d father of heat den d mother of heat lies below.

oneolajire:
Why are Jehovah Witnesses afraid of hell/lake of fire?

Each time you tell a JW member that God will send sinners to hell/lake of fire, they protest as if Jesus didn't talk about it. 

They ask "can you send people to hell if they are your family members"?  They quote Jer 32 vs 35 to defend themselves. 

But the question is, did God allow Sodom and Gomorah to be destroyed by fire? Did God destroy the world during the days of Noah? If yes, God can and will make sinners perish in hell/lake of fire

Matt 25 vs 41 Jesus talks about those whom hell/everlasting fire was originally designed for. Rev 20 vs 15 tells us some humans too will go to lake of fire. 

So why are Jw's taking Jesus for a liar? What are they afraid of? They should stop peddling lies and accept Jesus as their saviour if they don't want to end up in hell/lake of fire.

For more on the LIES of JW's read my write -up by following the link below 

https://www.nairaland.com/3328303/16-terrible-lies-jehovah-witnesses

The real problem is true understanding of the Bible. The way punishment was done in the old is not the same now. you can not compare the Mosaic law with the era of Jesus. Remember the sermon on the mountain.