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[quote author=4C2215131 post=57204041][/quote]without the floor plan, there's no way i can help you with any accuracy.

4C2215131:
Greetings good folks!

I would be infinitely grateful if experienced architects and allied professionals can help me vet this building cost breakdown. The mentioned costs is a 2 & 3 bedroom detached bungalow. It was prepared by an architect and in addition to not being around, I do not have the qualification nor experience to ascertain how competitive in terms of cost this is.

Please I really need your help. Is the cost breakdown a close enough reflection of the true situation of things ( it was prepared just a day ago) or is it way off board?

Can I go ahead with the project?

Like I said, it's just the cost of erecting a carcass (that's the name they say you experts call it) while I handle some other projects that are very pertinent. I may be wrong in my terminology but, what I typed there is the exact document I was given, so never minding the nomenclature of the job, are the listed tasks going to gulp the assigned sum or it may be done for cheaper (not shoddier).

Again, I am open to quotes from other professionals as I have more jobs in this respect to accomplish within two quarters of this year.

Find the breakdown below thus:

1. Substructure-N1,057,022.69
2. Masonry-N899,949.83
3. Structural/Carcassing Metal/Timber-N629,476.43
4. Roofing & Ceiling-N738,110.89
5. Windows & Doors-789,862.50
Total= N4,275,772.22

For the 3 Bedroom Detached Bungalow
1. As above-N2,108,293.46
2. As above-N1,371,976.50
3. As above-N777,382.16
4. As above-N1,355,975.89
5. As above-1,167,900.00
Total= N6,781,528.01


Thanks and warmest regards.

Let's take roofing for eg... What materials are they using? - the price above cld be excessive or short.. it all depends on the choice of roofing sheet, carcass wood, ceiling etc.

I'll advice that u don't give anyone a job without details in details of what type of Material he/she shd use.

Also... A 3 bedroom cld cost 3m to complete and another cld take 13m to complete... It all depends on design and choice...

You need to share the design and specifications to get precise advice...

Goodluck... And check my previous thread on properties..

Front page professionals are already on the job

i don't know why mods keep posting topics like this to fp you people are encouraging quackery if anything...what has an architect got to do with construction cost analysis...this individuals asking questions are greedy they don't want to engage Prof. Qs and pay so they jst come on here and you guys push there topics to do

the cost will depend on d nature of ground on which u wanted to build the structure and the quality of material u want to use, location will also be take into consideration ..... I think d cost is low. u can actually let discuss abt this .....contact me on this number 07034209128.

einsteino:
if you arent comfortable with a price, then very simply find another person/firm. This whole idea of getting consultancy services for free is quite unimpressive. I don't know of any other sector outside building/construction where this is obtainable. I cant simply fathom why anyone in the profession should render any of his service for free. If in the end the prices you quoted were outrageous, I would understand. from what I have seen so far, it isnt. You can't pretend not to know that you can hire the service of a Quantity surveyor to vet it for you. I am an Engr and it would be unfair for me to make mockery of another professional by offering his service for free, it is not a nice thing to do.

too greedy don't wanna pay for professional services so they come on here seeking unnecessary attention and mods will jst push it to fp knowing fully such persons if at all they're serious they should consult a Qs

Since they are both bungalow on solid land, the quote is on the high side. The part of the carcass that would cost the most is the roofing.
Find out what product and type of roofing material he is using. By product I mean the company, and type, the corrugations, either long span or step tiles. Going for the best and with good roof trusts(timber works) the difference will still be there. Averagely the two bedroom would cost N 3,500,000:00 and the 3bedroom N 4,700,000:00
Since there is no floor plan, I assumed average, by that I mean the normal sizes of rooms and every others.
Don't relent on this plan, don't be discouraged no matter what. Don't divert the fund to something else bcs u will still come back to it and cost of building is never coming down. Best of luck original poster.

4C2215131:
Greetings good folks!

I would be infinitely grateful if experienced architects and allied professionals can help me vet this building cost breakdown. The mentioned costs is a 2 & 3 bedroom detached bungalow. It was prepared by an architect and in addition to not being around, I do not have the qualification nor experience to ascertain how competitive in terms of cost this is.

Please I really need your help. Is the cost breakdown a close enough reflection of the true situation of things ( it was prepared just a day ago) or is it way off board?

Can I go ahead with the project?

Like I said, it's just the cost of erecting a carcass (that's the name they say you experts call it) while I handle some other projects that are very pertinent. I may be wrong in my terminology but, what I typed there is the exact document I was given, so never minding the nomenclature of the job, are the listed tasks going to gulp the assigned sum or it may be done for cheaper (not shoddier).

Again, I am open to quotes from other professionals as I have more jobs in this respect to accomplish within two quarters of this year.

Find the breakdown below thus:

1. Substructure-N1,057,022.69
2. Masonry-N899,949.83
3. Structural/Carcassing Metal/Timber-N629,476.43
4. Roofing & Ceiling-N738,110.89
5. Windows & Doors-789,862.50
Total= N4,275,772.22

For the 3 Bedroom Detached Bungalow
1. As above-N2,108,293.46
2. As above-N1,371,976.50
3. As above-N777,382.16
4. As above-N1,355,975.89
5. As above-1,167,900.00
Total= N6,781,528.01


Thanks and warmest regards.

This is a good quote. A decent 3-bedroom costs circa 6-8m depending on finishing. I did mine for 7m (minus cost of land), although still has one or two finishes to make (plaster fence, complete compound interlocking floor).

For your structural and building works,and we help deliver the best of designs as you desire. We also adorn your space with our interior design expertise. Call us today as a trial will leave you convinced... 08112325663, 08031953559, broadwaysynergy@yahoo.com, broadwaysynergy.com

einsteino:
if you arent comfortable with a price, then very simply find another person/firm. This whole idea of getting consultancy services for free is quite unimpressive. I don't know of any other sector outside building/construction where this is obtainable. I cant simply fathom why anyone in the profession should render any of his service for free. If in the end the prices you quoted were outrageous, I would understand. from what I have seen so far, it isnt. You can't pretend not to know that you can hire the service of a Quantity surveyor to vet it for you. I am an Engr and it would be unfair for me to make mockery of another professional by offering his service for free, it is not a nice thing to do.

This garbage you have taken up useful time to type is absolutely uncalled for. Must it always be about money? This is a forum where sometimes, experts, professionals and novices share ideas. If I may ask, how much have you paid for being on this forum?

mrnuur:
too greedy don't wanna pay for professional services so they come on here seeking unnecessary attention and mods will jst push it to fp knowing fully such persons if at all they're serious they should consult a Qs

You seem incapable of drawing the line between greed and 'doing just about a little research' to verify claims and also for self education. A lot of us have rendered professional advice on this forum for free and I must say that sometimes, it comes with some sense of fulfillment - for me. I am a medical practitioner and I have lost count of how many medically related questions I have responded to on this forum without a blench at the thought of consultation fees (However, I will not make any medical prescriptions online, but could advise on possible lines of action to be taken - as a guide to the concerned). Many others do same. I can recollect a few; namely, Siena on autosection, spyder on property section, and another lady on family section etc. It's one of the benefits of a this sort of forum. Everything musn't be about paying consultation fees. We are here to also learn from one another.

pato405:
This garbage you have taken up useful time to type is absolutely uncalled for. Must it always be about money? This is a forum where sometimes, experts, professionals and novices share ideas. If I may ask, how much have you paid for being on this forum?

I could be very lethal when i decide to insult, but i would not go where you are dragging me to. if it isnt about money then why ask if the bill is outrageous? if you arent worried about money why look for means to evade paying someone to render the service? it is a trend these days for people to seek to get every job done for peanuts and free atimes. it is hurting the profession as younger ones refuse to invest their time and resources to learn properly and well. I met a young architect who narrated how a client requested he makes him an architectural drawing for peanuts according to the client it is "just" a drawing, but I know the amount of time, fuel and effort it takes an architect to come up with something nice and this architect can only leave on what he earns and what he earns is what would inspire him to improve his skills. same thing happens to quantity surveyors too, you all want everyone to do things for free. Decieving yourself it isnt about the money blah blah. in the end our local content suffers as people believe it is more profitable to do less mentally demanding task like buying and selling than practice professionally, sometimes people are pushed to corruptly find means to extort you the client as you prefer that to paying appropriate fees.

A profession is partly about money, at least one wouldnt spend years getting educated,training and acquiring the skills to be competent only to render services for free while you build houses and they struggle to come up with rent all their lives. when they were studying in school, where were you and your benevolence? when it is time to pay bills, your benevolence wouldnt be there to assist. Yourself speaking how many NGO have you set up to offer your means of livelihood for free?

The bricklayer that would set the blocks for your house, would he do it for free? when you are sick and consult a doctor does he diagnose you before you pay for consultation/get a card? when you go to the market do you see anyone getting discounts because they are QS, Engineers, builders, Architects etc who offer free services?

I would never be in support of extortion or outrageous fees but what you are seeking is unethical. you werent forced to use the person, if you are suspicious hire another person or get a quote somewhere else.

My candid opinion the price is fair.....
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pato405:
You seem incapable of drawing the line between greed and 'doing just about a little research' to verify claims and also for self education. A lot of us have rendered professional advice on this forum for free and I must say that sometimes, it comes with some sense of fulfillment - for me. I am a medical practitioner and I have lost count of how many medically related questions I have responded to on this forum without a blench at the thought of consultation fees (However, I will not make any medical prescriptions online, but could advise on possible lines of action to be taken - as a guide to the concerned). Many others do same. I can recollect a few; namely, Siena on autosection, spyder on property section, and another lady on family section etc. It's one of the benefits of a this sort of forum. Everything musn't be about paying consultation fees. We are here to also learn from one another.

though you got on my nerve with your reply to my comment. I can say I to some extent see things with you now. I had very good reasons for my reply and I dont think i came off as rude in anyway, we in this field have the experience of people who greedily never want to spend a dime on anything. Anyways with regards to your question, the best person to raise a detailed and accurate bill still remains a QS. but if you want to know if you are being extorted, the answer is no. Actually i have doubts that the cost listed would be sufficient to achieve a quality job, especially if he didnt give clause for revaluation. Just watch out for the quality of materials.

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Get a professional ; QS to give you the cost based on the quality of finishes you want which could be luxury , medium finishes or low quality finishes. All the above are good but for your taste, especially if you allow qualified hands to handle the job. Please don't be looking for short cuts. It saves you a lot in the long term if you patronise professionals .

Get a professional; a QS, to give you the cost based on the quality of finishes you want which could be luxury , medium finishes or low quality finishes. All the above are good but for your taste, especially if you allow qualified hands to handle the job. Please don't be looking for short cuts. It saves you a lot in the long term if you patronise professionals .

4C2215131:
Greetings good folks!

I would be infinitely grateful if experienced architects and allied professionals can help me vet this building cost breakdown. The mentioned costs is a 2 & 3 bedroom detached bungalow. It was prepared by an architect and in addition to not being around, I do not have the qualification nor experience to ascertain how competitive in terms of cost this is.

Please I really need your help. Is the cost breakdown a close enough reflection of the true situation of things ( it was prepared just a day ago) or is it way off board?

Can I go ahead with the project?

Like I said, it's just the cost of erecting a carcass (that's the name they say you experts call it) while I handle some other projects that are very pertinent. I may be wrong in my terminology but, what I typed there is the exact document I was given, so never minding the nomenclature of the job, are the listed tasks going to gulp the assigned sum or it may be done for cheaper (not shoddier).

Again, I am open to quotes from other professionals as I have more jobs in this respect to accomplish within two quarters of this year.

Find the breakdown below thus:

1. Substructure-N1,057,022.69
2. Masonry-N899,949.83
3. Structural/Carcassing Metal/Timber-N629,476.43
4. Roofing & Ceiling-N738,110.89
5. Windows & Doors-789,862.50
Total= N4,275,772.22

For the 3 Bedroom Detached Bungalow
1. As above-N2,108,293.46
2. As above-N1,371,976.50
3. As above-N777,382.16
4. As above-N1,355,975.89
5. As above-1,167,900.00
Total= N6,781,528.01


Thanks and warmest regards.

YOU SHOULD HAVE ENGAGED QUANTITY SURVEYOR NOT ARCHITECT (AS MENTIONED) IN THE PREPARATION OF THE COST. IF THE SUBSTRUCTURE COST 1.O57, THERE IS NO WAY ONLY BLOCKWALL (MANSONRY) COULD HAVE COST 899***, ANYWAY HAD IT BEEN THE DRAWING IS ATTACHED I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU MUCH EXPLANATION.

einsteino:
though you got on my nerve with your reply to my comment. I can say I to some extent see things with you now. I had very good reasons for my reply and I dont think i came off as rude in anyway, we in this field have the experience of people who greedily never want to spend a dime on anything. Anyways with regards to your question, the best person to raise a detailed and accurate bill still remains a QS. but if you want to know if you are being extorted, the answer is no. Actually i have doubts that the cost listed would be sufficient to achieve a quality job, especially if he didnt give clause for revaluation. Just watch out for the quality of materials.

My apologies if I struck a nerve. I had no intention to ruffle your feathers . I quite understand your point and to some extent, share same sentiments when I look at the issue from the flip side. However, as I don't understand the tenets, principles and practice of your discipline, I was somehow bemused with your blunt retort to the op . I think for every profession (I stand to be corrected here), there is a limit to which you can divulge full details about any desired information, thereby leaving the person seeking for solution with no alternative than to consult you for the job.

As an architect, or a builder, is it in any way possible that you provide all the requested information on building plans, cost estimate, etc to the extent that your client can go ahead with the building and complete it without involving you? I doubt. In essence, I'm saying - provide answers to the questions as 'GUIDANCE' and take it as an opportunity to provide the person asking the questions with details about your proficiency to handle the job (i.e advertise your prowess and win the contract). Divulge some very important details about the information being sought to show that you can handle the job perfectly, BUT NOT ALL! Leave the others till due consultation.

jackie35:
YOU SHOULD HAVE ENGAGED QUANTITY SURVEYOR NOT ARCHITECT (AS MENTIONED) IN THE PREPARATION OF THE COST. IF THE SUBSTRUCTURE COST 1.O57, THERE IS NO WAY ONLY BLOCKWALL (MANSONRY) COULD HAVE COST 899***, ANYWAY HAD IT BEEN THE DRAWING IS ATTACHED I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU MUCH EXPLANATION.

Thanks for the advice. You know how these things are sometimes.

Regards

Likulikusasa:
I think we need to advise him better. You need a quantity surveyor or cost manager for this. They will help you get cost for building the project and you get a full detailed cost of what you are about to embark on step by step.

Greetings!

Thanks. Working on it now.

matrix4:
OP, I'm a Quantity Surveyor. Send me a message on ikuabematthew@gmail.com. I sincerely want to help you out.

Greetings!

Will be sending the floor plan soonest.

Regards

abbatoir:
Send ur floor plan with location :mooredesignbuild@gmail.com. to get a free breakdown quote.

Good luck!

Greetings!

Will do.

Regards

tevanso:
paste the floor plan here or send it to my mail let me give u a detail quotation .kindly specify the location of the building tevansobuilders@gmail.com

Greetings!

Will do and location is Ikorodu.

Regards

einsteino:
if you arent comfortable with a price, then very simply find another person/firm. This whole idea of getting consultancy services for free is quite unimpressive. I don't know of any other sector outside building/construction where this is obtainable. I cant simply fathom why anyone in the profession should render any of his service for free. If in the end the prices you quoted were outrageous, I would understand. from what I have seen so far, it isnt. You can't pretend not to know that you can hire the service of a Quantity surveyor to vet it for you. I am an Engr and it would be unfair for me to make mockery of another professional by offering his service for free, it is not a nice thing to do.

I beg to differ!

There's a difference with what abounds here and the situation you are insinuating. I am a professional in my own field and I do understand perfectly what obtains in the world of professionalism.

Please note, I am not begging for free services (I feel insulted by your inferring this but, I will let it pass). The least you could have done was hold your peace if you feel it is beneath you or against your creed to offer "free" advice.

Regards

quantity19:
the cost will depend on d nature of ground on which u wanted to build the structure and the quality of material u want to use, location will also be take into consideration ..... I think d cost is low. u can actually let discuss abt this .....contact me on this number 07034209128.

Thanks.

Regards

mrnuur:
too greedy don't wanna pay for professional services so they come on here seeking unnecessary attention and mods will jst push it to fp knowing fully such persons if at all they're serious they should consult a Qs

Greetings!

I will not engage anyone in a war of words even as much as I want to clarify certain issues.

Folks have made recommendations which I have taken to heart and I am sure some folks were so self righteous as to ignore my comment about not knowing anything professionally about what I am about hence my resorting to advice on how to go about it professionally.

Either way, to the custodians of "professionalism", your admonitions has been taken to heart.

Regards

Jreserved:
Since they are both bungalow on solid land, the quote is on the high side. The part of the carcass that would cost the most is the roofing.
Find out what product and type of roofing material he is using. By product I mean the company, and type, the corrugations, either long span or step tiles. Going for the best and with good roof trusts(timber works) the difference will still be there. Averagely the two bedroom would cost N 3,500,000:00 and the 3bedroom N 4,700,000:00
Since there is no floor plan, I assumed average, by that I mean the normal sizes of rooms and every others.
Don't relent on this plan, don't be discouraged no matter what. Don't divert the fund to something else bcs u will still come back to it and cost of building is never coming down. Best of luck original poster.

Greetings!

It's a done deal.

You see, my seeking information is not whether I should continue or not but to ascertain if the cost is competitive thus, I will have a general idea of how much I am looking at when I get quotes from other professionals. Again, if you read my post I even commented that should anyone feel the cost is relatively high, it should not be because he is thinking of utilising substandard materials. Thanks for your comment, it is appreciated.

Regards

Jarus:
This is a good quote. A decent 3-bedroom costs circa 6-8m depending on finishing. I did mine for 7m (minus cost of land), although still has one or two finishes to make (plaster fence, complete compound interlocking floor).

Greetings!

Very well. Thanks for taking time out to comment.

Regards

elvisyfer:
For your structural and building works,and we help deliver the best of designs as you desire. We also adorn your space with our interior design expertise. Call us today as a trial will leave you convinced... 08112325663, 08031953559, broadwaysynergy@yahoo.com, broadwaysynergy.com

Greetings!

Your information is duly noted.

Regards

einsteino:
I could be very lethal when i decide to insult, but i would not go where you are dragging me to. if it isnt about money then why ask if the bill is outrageous? if you arent worried about money why look for means to evade paying someone to render the service? it is a trend these days for people to seek to get every job done for peanuts and free atimes. it is hurting the profession as younger ones refuse to invest their time and resources to learn properly and well. I met a young architect who narrated how a client requested he makes him an architectural drawing for peanuts according to the client it is "just" a drawing, but I know the amount of time, fuel and effort it takes an architect to come up with something nice and this architect can only leave on what he earns and what he earns is what would inspire him to improve his skills. same thing happens to quantity surveyors too, you all want everyone to do things for free. Decieving yourself it isnt about the money blah blah. in the end our local content suffers as people believe it is more profitable to do less mentally demanding task like buying and selling than practice professionally, sometimes people are pushed to corruptly find means to extort you the client as you prefer that to paying appropriate fees.

A profession is partly about money, at least one wouldnt spend years getting educated,training and acquiring the skills to be competent only to render services for free while you build houses and they struggle to come up with rent all their lives. when they were studying in school, where were you and your benevolence? when it is time to pay bills, your benevolence wouldnt be there to assist. Yourself speaking how many NGO have you set up to offer your means of livelihood for free?

The bricklayer that would set the blocks for your house, would he do it for free? when you are sick and consult a doctor does he diagnose you before you pay for consultation/get a card? when you go to the market do you see anyone getting discounts because they are QS, Engineers, builders, Architects etc who offer free services?

I would never be in support of extortion or outrageous fees but what you are seeking is unethical. you werent forced to use the person, if you are suspicious hire another person or get a quote somewhere else.

Greetings!

I usually do not have much time to come onine hence I would have seen this post earlier and maybe retorted.

You jump to so many conclusions. Where in my post did I say the bill was outrageous?

If you knew who you were talking to, my philosophy about life, my extant situation of affairs, you will not say these things you say.

A word of advice; always think deep and hard before you utter words out of the depths of your heart.

Me? dodging consultation fees. Well, it's a forum...anybody can say anything, be anything, do anything.

pato405:
My apologies if I struck a nerve. I had no intention to ruffle your feathers . I quite understand your point and to some extent, share same sentiments when I look at the issue from the flip side. However, as I don't understand the tenets, principles and practice of your discipline, I was somehow bemused with your blunt retort to the op . I think for every profession (I stand to be corrected here), there is a limit to which you can divulge full details about any desired information, thereby leaving the person seeking for solution with no alternative than to consult you for the job.

As an architect, or a builder, is it in any way possible that you provide all the requested information on building plans, cost estimate, etc to the extent that your client can go ahead with the building and complete it without involving you? I doubt. In essence, I'm saying - provide answers to the questions as 'GUIDANCE' and take it as an opportunity to provide the person asking the questions with details about your proficiency to handle the job (i.e advertise your prowess and win the contract). Divulge some very important details about the information being sought to show that you can handle the job perfectly, BUT NOT ALL! Leave the others till due consultation.

Greetings!

I beg thee, let the matter be put to rest.

Do not engage anyone on my behalf please. The gentleman/woman who is baying for my blood obviously finds it difficult to understand the concept of research and guidance. Can I build the house by my lonesome? Can I source for the materials by my self? Someone furnished a quote for a carcass, I come down here asking innocently if it is competitive and even went as far as asking for other professionals to contact me personally with the intent of finding competent hands, now tell me, how is that asking for a free job?

I am done commenting on that detractor's post.

Regards