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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 7:41pm On Jun 10, 2017
I believe I have agreed with you more times than I have not. In this one also, I do.
These players have strengths and weaknesses. And that's Rohr's job to do. Studying them and bringing them together to work as a unit based on their qualities. No wonder it's called chemistry, because in actual Chemistry you have to mix substances at the right amounts to produce the desired result. Here, Rohr needs to improve.

I personally think we need less individualized players in the team. For me, my forwards will have an above 70% success rate of completing a good pass to their fellow forwards. I will only allow one slot for an individualistic player. And he has to be very very very good, especially his finishing. Osihmen is warming up. Kelechi is already there. If Success can get back to his best. He would complete the perfect pair.

Musa is good in his own right. He plays best as a 9. But not good enough as a 9. Sounds contradictory but true. Moses Simon should never start. I don't care about his trickery. we need delivery


TheGoodJoe:


It was definitely a midfield problem and I think I will have to throw Ndidi under the bus here. I can excuse Onazi's reckless style of play because he has the tank to mop up the gaps he creates. However, Ndidi should bear the responsibility of protecting the defence. The central pair were exposed all day. It is also time we fix the left back role. We were lucky we were not up against someone like Gervinho in his good days. He would have destroyed us.

We need someone in the mould of Oliseh who is more inclined to defend than attack. Also have the ability to pick players in spaces with long gaps.

Ndidi has the quality but it is time he takes that responsibility.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:41pm On Jun 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Naturally, if you were to pick between Onazi and Ndidi to seat deep and one to roam, who will you pick?

I am blaming both but Ndidi takes it more because he is the one with the ability to shield that defence completely and hit the right passes into space.

Ndidi needs to take that responsibility from now on.

thank you now you are seeing reasons with me.

naturally Ndidi would sit for me obviously I would never trust Onazi anywhere around my box, but that's the problem. because of Onazi's limited passing range the coach is forced to let him sit and that spells doom. in all honesty my dream midfield trio would have Ndidi, Aluko and Mikel, the job description is already perfectly outlined between the three, Ndidi sits, Mikel plays the roaming style and Aluko as the amf. of Course Mikel with his experience will know that whenever youthful exuberance gets the better of Ndidi he should fall back instantly. Onazi just does not.cut it for me
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by eterisan(m): 7:42pm On Jun 10, 2017
forgiveness:


Of course, Ajagun is a natural attacking midfielder and he's miles ahead of Azubuike.

Onomah, Raheem Lawal, Ogu etc are thousands of miles ahead of Azubuike. Take it to the bank.
grin[quote author=forgiveness post=57393181]

kikikikikikikikik hhhahahhahhahahhahhhha..ROTFLMAO....just the comedy I needed to cool my anger after today's game... You sure can rival Bovi!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 7:42pm On Jun 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Osimhen is a star.

I have watched people accuse you of constantly moving the goal posts changing the unit if measurement to suit the circumstances you portray. You do numerous U turns without restraint.

I watched you go into a full blown discourse about world class and top class.

And now you are calling a player who has played 45 minutes of football in a struggling relegation club in the Bundesliga and after a few minutes of playing football in a match for the SE that we lost on all fronts a STAR.

I actually expected a lot more from you.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 7:43pm On Jun 10, 2017
undecided

Dudes are still blaming Onazi for the Midfield Disaster?! Can someone tell me the impact of Ndidi on the Pitch?!

See..... we need to be objective to have a better analysis of this Team. Etebo should have partnered Onazi. He can run, strong and workaholic.

Iwobi should have played 10. South Africa did their homework perfectly. They knew we may attack from the Flanks, thus shut it down. Etebo was so poor to make decisive passes and even miss a good Chance.

Let's be sincere too, Rohr was lost in the Game. He made the wrong subs and couldn't right the Wrongs in the Tactics.

He should have switched the Formation to 4 - 3 - 2 - 1. Bring on Kayode for Simon, then play Iwobi as a No. 10 and Iheanacho as a No. 8. We would have easily been able to create chances from the middle and perhaps win the Game convincingly.
Well, hope is not lost! We can bounce back and get stronger home and away!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:44pm On Jun 10, 2017
Kog45:
Michael2 don't mind some guys here,our eyes w soon clear by d way we are hyping our players.Some even see it as a taboo to criticize Rohr.
I hope w get it right coz Cameroon match is around d corner,this is not d time to keep on arguing endlessly with sentiments.We need to be factual,Cameroon match is not for d likes of Osimeh,Oyekwuru,Ebuehi,Alampasu,Agu.

I hope Mikel.Moses,Balogun,Ikeme w be available and Enyeama have a rethink and come back coz Cameroon match is damn too importan

from today till August, novena for Mikel and Moses to be fit and for Enyeama to come back. we can manage without Balogun but not these three
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 7:45pm On Jun 10, 2017
Nah, I doubt it. It wasn't a part of my DSTV pack in Naija. And I purchased the full package.

O pari

EmmGee:

Is it possible to get beinsport in naija
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:46pm On Jun 10, 2017
Icon4s:


So Alampasu would have been the best choice? Chai na wa.

The fragility and inexperience of both CBs were exposed today. Poor man marking by Awaziem cost us that first goal. And where were the CBs for Onazi to even be the one chasing the SA 2nd goal scorer.

If it was Omeruo that had the kind-of game Awaziem had today. You will not be making the kind of remarks you just made about that CB pairing.


Say the truth and stop applying sentiments.

I have told you to stop all this sentiments accusations. You have seen your experience keeper what he has caused. You keep talking sentiments without knowing selecting a player based on experience is sentimental. Let me say it again, selecting a player based on experience is sentimental.

Select the best and Akpeyi is clearly not better than Alampasu.

I have always criticised Onazi based on his shielding style of play. In the game against SA last time, we made a mistake of not having a standing four. This happened after Hope Akpan injured and we brought Onazi back to the midfield and we had a catastrophe.

The same problem today. Individually the players defended well but when they were overrun especially during counters, it is difficult making the right defensive choices. Today's problem was no shielding of the defence. As for the first goal, the ball was close to Akpeyi and he messed it up. In the earlier time he dropped the ball.

You are the sentimental one.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:46pm On Jun 10, 2017
kickoff is not a site to visit now.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 7:47pm On Jun 10, 2017
PietroRico:
lol.. I may have exaggerated a bit out of anger.

But you guys hype these guys more than their actual ability, a lot.
It's a common thing here.
It was on this same thread people were calling mikel world class
I won't want us to go back to that kind debate Sir.
You saw how smooth our midfield was in absence today.

Mikel may not be your everyday midfielder. But the stability he brings to the team is second to non. So he is in his OWN CLASS.

To those calling for his head. Se you see what baba beji de do for that midfield? Mikel is slow, Mikel can't pass, Mikel can't initiate attack. Se una all see. An half fit and a match rusty mikel will stabilize that midfield.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 7:48pm On Jun 10, 2017
Mickael2:


from today till August, novena for Mikel and Moses to be fit and for Enyeama to come back. we can manage without Balogun but not these three

I will ask Dominic Iorfa to sort out his long term contract asap and play for Nigeria.

I will ask Solanke too I already know Aluko is ever willing. From what I see we need new quality proven and established players not just potential future prospects.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by leathalbeast: 7:48pm On Jun 10, 2017
welldone to s.a for a fantastic win. im so elated that they silenced my nosy neighbours. next time you guys will focus on your team and leave ghana from your sh!t. i hope bafana bafana qualifies for afcon.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:49pm On Jun 10, 2017
Oasis007:
undecided

Dudes are still blaming Onazi for the Midfield Disaster?! Can someone tell me the impact of Ndidi on the Pitch?!

See..... we need to be objective to have a better analysis of this Team. Etebo should have partnered Onazi. He can run, strong and workaholic.

Iwobi should have played 10. South Africa did their homework perfectly. They knew we may attack from the Flanks, thus shut it down. Etebo was so poor to make decisive passes and even miss a good Chance.

Let's be sincere too, Rohr was lost in the Game. He made the wrong subs and couldn't right the Wrongs in the Tactics.

He should have switched the Formation to 4 - 3 - 2 - 1. Bring on Kayode for Simon, then play Iwobi as a No. 10 and Iheanacho as a No. 8. We would have easily been able to create chances from the middle and perhaps win the Game convincingly.
Well, hope is not lost! We can bounce back and get stronger home and away!


It is time we take shielding the defence seriously. No matter how good a team is, if you leave the back exposed, we pay for it. There is still chance to get it right.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 7:50pm On Jun 10, 2017
PietroRico:
the goalkeeper's command of his box was too poor.
The goalkeeper is poor
You are right. The second goal still baffles me. I didn't even see him given out instructions even for once.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:50pm On Jun 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


I have told you to stop all this sentiments accusations. You have seen your experience keeper what he has caused. You keep talking sentiments without knowing selecting a player based on experience is sentimental. Let me say it again, selecting a player based on experience is sentimental.

Select the best and Akpeyi is clearly not better than Alampasu.

I have always criticised Onazi based on his shielding style of play. In the game against SA last time, we made a mistake of not having a standing four. This happened after Hope Akpan injured and we brought Onazi back to the midfield and we had a catastrophe.

The same problem is today. Individually the players defended well but when they were overrun especially during counters, it is difficult making the right defensive choices. Today's problem was no shielding of the defence. As for the first goal, the ball was close to Akpeyi and he messed it up. In the earlier time he dropped the ball.

You are the sentimental one.

All attempt to give a dog a bad name.

Who was supposed to pick out Rantie?

how many goalies in the word can save that kind of close header?

Your own is just to promote Alampasu by all means.

Akpeyi was not at fault for any of the goals.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 7:50pm On Jun 10, 2017
We built this young team around Mikel. Hence we missed him badly today.

AIG07:
I won't want us to go back to that kind debate Sir.
You saw how smooth our midfield was in absence today.

Mikel may not be your everyday midfielder. But the stability he brings to the team is second to non. So he is in his OWN CLASS.

To those calling for his head. Se you see what baba beji de do for that midfield? Mikel is slow, Mikel can't pass, Mikel can't initiate attack. Se una all see. An half fit and a match rusty mikel will stabilize that midfield.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 7:50pm On Jun 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


I have told you to stop all this sentiments accusations. You have seen your experience keeper what he has caused. You keep talking sentiments without knowing selecting a player based on experience is sentimental. Let me say it again, selecting a player based on experience is sentimental.

Select the best and Akpeyi is clearly not better than Alampasu.

I have always criticised Onazi based on his shielding style of play. In the game against SA last time, we made a mistake of not having a standing four. This happened after Hope Akpan injured and we brought Onazi back to the midfield and we had a catastrophe.

The same problem is today. Individually the players defended well but when they were overrun especially during counters, it is difficult making the right defensive choices. Today's problem was no shielding of the defence. As for the first goal, the ball was close to Akpeyi and he messed it up. In the earlier time he dropped the ball.

You are the sentimental one.

Oh you remember Hope never said a word before once he sorts out his contract with another championship side then he should be considered.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 7:50pm On Jun 10, 2017
leathalbeast:
so your eagles couldnt even draw against s.a in nigeria and you guys were here talking about ghana


Yea,,, cos we know you guys can do better
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 7:51pm On Jun 10, 2017
When South Africans have been saying they will deal with Akpeyi, that already spells doom. They should know best the quality of Akpeyi. He plays in their country.

Icon4s:


All attempt to give a dog a bad name.

Who was supposed to pick out Rantie?

how many goalies in the word can save that kind of close header?

Your own is just to promote Alampasu by all means.

Akpeyi was not at fault for any of the goals.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:52pm On Jun 10, 2017
komekn:


I have watched people accuse you of constantly moving the goal posts changing the unit if measurement to suit the circumstances you portray. You do numerous U turns without restraint.

I watched you go into a full blown discourse about world class and top class.

And now you are calling a player who has played 45 minutes of football in a struggling relegation club in the Bundesliga and after a few minutes of playing football in a match for the SE that we lost on all fronts a STAR.

I actually expected a lot more from you.

All this one you are talking is history. What does 45 minutes have to do with Judging a players performance on the pitch. Please, that young man showed quality today and I was impressed. Where I watched the match people were even saying why did he not start. I told them he is young an led will be slowly eased in.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 7:52pm On Jun 10, 2017
Folks, beg, let's not pick and chose whom to blame for this disaster. In fact, aside from Etebo and to some extent Simon Moses, all our other players were PISS POOR.

I was most disappointed with Ndidi because I expected so much from him. Onazi didn't play great either. I think the captain's arm band was weighing too heavy on him today. Awazien was OK but made some crucial errors. Same with Shehu. Nacho was MIA for most part of the match. And I can go on and on ....

A very poor outing today by the boys. I don't know whether to blame it on fatigue after the long season. For some reasons, they didn't play with a lot of energy. As a matter of fact, after the first 30 mins, I told my friend that we ain't gonna win this game. But even me didn't expect us to lose by two zero. And it would've been much more because South Africa hit the bar twice and the ref denied them a clear penalty as well.

O pari

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:53pm On Jun 10, 2017
AIG07:
You are right. The second goal still baffles me. I didn't even see him given out instructions even for once.

So he was also responsible for the second goal. Give out instructions to defenders that were no where to be found.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:53pm On Jun 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
I hope this is the last we see of Akpeyi. His footwork is delightful but his goal keeping skills is awful. He has no command of the eighteen yard box and the idea of him not training with the defence is atrocious. How will he have understanding with his team mates if he trains separately from them.

My biggest fear today was us paying for our decision of playing a weaker goal keeper due to his experience a devoted we paid dearly for it. No disrespect to Akpeyi but he is not just up to it.
Yea d guy damn poor like other players coz losing with two goals at home not good pedigree for d team but d guy not to be blamed for d two goals but he can do better,hope Ikeme w be available against Cameroon or Enyeama rescind his retirement decision.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:54pm On Jun 10, 2017
Icon4s:


All attempt to give a dog a bad name.

Who was supposed to pick out Rantie?

how many goalies in the word can save that kind of close header?

Your own is just to promote Alampasu by all means.

Akpeyi was not at fault for any of the goals.

That ball was close to Akpeyi, he was to save it in games chances happen but when the ball is close to the goal keeper, he is to save it. Akpeyi missed it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 7:54pm On Jun 10, 2017
komekn:


I will ask Dominic Iorfa to sort out his long term contract asap and play for Nigeria.

I will ask Solanke too I already know Aluko is ever willing. From what I see we need new quality proven and established players not just potential future prospects.

quality? and Solanke is the quality player here? lol

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 7:55pm On Jun 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:



It is time we take shielding the defence seriously. No matter how good a team is, if you leave the back exposed, we pay for it. There is still chance to get it right.

That's the Reason I didn't ask for a Change in the 3-Man Midfield, but the fullbacks should be attacking minded like Alves and Marcelo. They should be able to transit from the Attack to Defence conveniently and convincingly - like Wingbacks.

In short, we can switch to 3 - 4 - 2 - 1. Moses and another good player can play the Wingback position for the Eagles.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by WORLDPEACE(m): 7:56pm On Jun 10, 2017
AIG07:
Are you sure?

Tell me more.
Yes, the players just needed to pass the ball around faster than they did, to not give the opponent too much time to time to sit back and defend. Then the flanks were not used enough. When they used them the crosses were poor. No single set-piece resulted in anything tangible. As an Arsenal fan I have seen these kind of scenarios play out a thousand times. There is always one way out - quick, precise and direct football. It looks to me like the coach is tired of coaching our team and he wants to be fired.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 7:57pm On Jun 10, 2017
Joebie:
I believe I have agreed with you more times than I have not. In this one also, I do.
These players have strengths and weaknesses. And that's Rohr's job to do. Studying them and bringing them together to work as a unit based on their qualities. No wonder it's called chemistry, because in actual Chemistry you have to mix substances at the right amounts to produce the desired result. Here, Rohr needs to improve.

I personally think we need less individualized players in the team. For me, my forwards will have an above 70% success rate of completing a good pass to their fellow forwards. I will only allow one slot for an individualistic player. And he has to be very very very good, especially his finishing. Osihmen is warming up. Kelechi is already there. If Success can get back to his best. He would complete the perfect pair.

Musa is good in his own right. He plays best as a 9. But not good enough as a 9. Sounds contradictory but true. Moses Simon should never start. I don't care about his trickery. we need delivery


you killed it with that part on Simon. You are simply right. He had no delivery today.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:57pm On Jun 10, 2017
eterisan:
grin

Who is Azubuike? Which league is he playing? In France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium... I sabi guy. Next
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:57pm On Jun 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


That ball was close to Akpeyi, he was to save it in games chances happen but when the ball is close to the goal keeper, he is to save it. Akpeyi missed it.

Go back and watch that replay but this time with an open mind.

Close range headers are the most difficult to deal with. You cannot tell which direction the ball would travel.

Awaziem was responsible for that goal.

And if anyone is to replace Akpeyi it will definitely not be Alampasu.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:58pm On Jun 10, 2017
Kog45:
Yea d guy damn poor,hope Ikeme w be available against Cameroon or Enyeama rescind his retirement decision.

If Enyeama comes back, I will gladly welcome him. If not if Ikeme is fit, I will feel happy. If not, we should select the best and stop the tricks of this is more experienced. Most annoying is Alloy Agu shielding Akpeyi from screening in the name of preparing him with drills. Absolute thrash. Get them to camp early, drill pick the best two that will most likely start, select the best in training.

There is an art to this. If Agu does not know hi job as a keeper trainer, he should get the hell out. Another mishap from Oliseh's reign.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 7:59pm On Jun 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


All this one you are talking is history. What does 45 minutes have to do with Judging a players performance on the pitch. Please, that young man showed quality today and I was impressed. Where I watched the match people were even saying why did he not start. I told them he is young an led will be slowly eased in.

Be objective and realistic if you bring a half decent striker from non league and you give him 10 minutes to throw in everything he has when everyone is tired and lethargic.

Of course he will look fired up and even a little bit dangerous. For me I didn't see anything exceptional beyond initial grateful gra gra, sorry but that's my opinion.

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