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Earthkumy:
you actually do not have point, because if you actually believe the Bible is the word of God you will believe every bit of it.

wrong premise.. i don't believe so

Not this your hiding on what Jewish article wrote or chose to believe some and argue the rest.
you asked where it is writing in the scripture I showed you. then you started claiming the bible was edited

i asked you where it was written... you showed me a verse you thought was pointing to the Trinity but i showed you the real meaning of the verse.. what is my crime?

rhektor:
Yes sir it does
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7
Tell me this I'd written by Paul

hello... there is somewhat evidence that the scripture you posted was a later addition and was not found in the earliest copies of that book

Mathew 28: 19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Is this also written by Paul?

Please do a good reading before writing here

i believe i dropped a verse where Jesus told his disciples to go not unto the gentiles but to the lost house of Israel.. also, apart from the statement that Jesus made about being sent only to the lost sheep of Israel, matt 28:19 seems contrary to the statement of not going to the gentiles.. why also would Jesus send them to baptise people in the name of the Father, son and Holy ghost when one thing he told his disciples is to never tell anyone that he is the Christ... i don't want to get into more detail because it will lead us to discussing the genealogy of the bible and the alterations of the RCC... in summary, my point is... matt 28:19 is contradictory to what Jesus said and taught

Earthkumy:
the Jew don't even believe that Christ has come. note that many Israelites are Christians now and believes in Trinity. if the Jews believe in Jesus they won't be Jews anymore OK.

So what will they be called.

Peacefullove:
No part of this post address Or could address John 14 vs 28 where Yeshua said Father is Greater than I , Infact No part of this post could , nor address The place where Paul attest that Father is Greater ( The Head ) of Christ .

You could have asked Op, when Stephen saw son of man standing on the right hand side of God. Why was he not sitting on his throne or Was Stephen still seeing Jesus in his humble self as when he was still a fleshly man on earth.

Peacefullove:
No part of this post address Or could address John 14 vs 28 where Yeshua said Father is Greater than I , Infact No part of this post could , nor address The place where Paul attest that Father is Greater ( The Head ) of Christ .

it means either, you don't read or you didn't read with understanding. the verses are there.

Peacefullove:
Jews dont believe in Trinity, YET all those who penned the Bible are Jews ... Hahahahaha how then can Trinity be in the bible ?


its either you are reading nonsense into the texts

Its exactly the way you put it. They are reading non sense equal nonsense indeed into the text.

Wilgrea7:
wrong premise.. i don't believe so



i asked you where it was written... you showed me a verse you thought was pointing to the Trinity but i showed you the real meaning of the verse.. what is my crime?

your own meaning? the words in that scripture was clear, it doesn't need your personal meaning

To clear all arguments once and for all check this link:

[url]themessage.com/en/inthename?mid=1403[/url]

It will explain everything in detail.

Earthkumy:
your own meaning? the words in that scripture was clear, it doesn't need your personal meaning

how is it my personal meaning... did you even visit those links... the very people who used the book and know what it means in the original language before it was translated are telling you what it means.. and you call it personal meaning...

Wilgrea7:
hello... there is somewhat evidence that the scripture you posted was a later addition and was not found in the earliest copies of that book



i believe i dropped a verse where Jesus told his disciples to go not unto the gentiles but to the lost house of Israel.. also, apart from the statement that Jesus made about being sent only to the lost sheep of Israel, matt 28:19 seems contrary to the statement of not going to the gentiles.. why also would Jesus send them to baptise people in the name of the Father, son and Holy ghost when one thing he told his disciples is to never tell anyone that he is the Christ... i don't want to get into more detail because it will lead us to discussing the genealogy of the bible and the alterations of the RCC... in summary, my point is... matt 28:19 is contradictory to what Jesus said and taught

you believe the Bible was edited where is your own unedited version. it confuses you because you chose to read the Bible out of context. you chose the one that favor's you and condemn the other. the best way to read the scripture is to find out through other scriptures chapter or verses why a certain statements are made.
condemning Paul letters and choosing which scripture to believe won't do you any good.

Wilgrea7:
how is it my personal meaning... did you even visit those links... the very people who used the book and know what it means in the original language before it was translated are telling you what it means.. and you call it personal meaning...

You said the old testament doesn't support Trinity I showed Isaiah 9:6 "For to us a child is born, 6
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." is clear above who the son is or will be called.
How is posting an article that dont believe it going to help you or anyone?

Earthkumy:
You said the old testament doesn't support Trinity I showed Isaiah 9:6 "For to us a child is born, 6
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." is clear above who the son is or will be called.

please visit the links.. i can't keep saying the same thing over and over again

Wilgrea7:
please visit the links.. i can't keep saying the same thing over and over again

You believe in an article above what the scripture clearly stated? that why I said you needs the great teacher the Holy Spirit. Your Spiritual life shouldn't be based on other people's view.

"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God."
John 5:18

Earthkumy:
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lets take it bit by bit... shall we?

you believe the Bible was edited

there is evidence to support this... why not take a journey through the history of the bible?

where is your own unedited version. it confuses you because you chose to read the Bible out of context. you chose the one that favor's you and condemn the other.

i don't choose to read out of context.. the bible is a combination of books.. they aren't magically at unity with each other

the best way to read the scripture is to find out through other scriptures chapter or verses why a certain statements are made.

why not learn Hebrew and read the scriptures in their original language.. or rather still.. just listen to those who read it in the original language

condemning Paul letters and choosing which scripture to believe won't do you any good.

as long as Paul isn't Jesus, and i find his statements contradictory to that of Jesus, then i have the right to condemn his letters

Earthkumy:
You believe in an article above what the scripture clearly stated? that why I said you needs the great teacher the Holy Spirit. Your Spiritual life shouldn't be based on other people's view.

article ... OK... let me simplify it for you

*THE OLD TESTAMENT WASN'T WRITTEN IN ENGLISH
* THERE IS BOUND TO BE LOSS OF VALUE WHEN SOMETHING IS TRANSLATED FROM ONE LANGUAGE TO ANOTHER
* THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE AND WHOSE FOREFATHERS WROTE THE BOOKS ARE TELLING YOU WHAT IT MEANS

so why the hell are you calling it “article"

or should they write a book concerning what their book means?

Wilgrea7:
article ... OK... let me simplify it for you

*THE OLD TESTAMENT WASN'T WRITTEN IN ENGLISH
* THERE IS BOUND TO BE LOSS OF VALUE WHEN SOMETHING IS TRANSLATED FROM ONE LANGUAGE TO ANOTHER
* THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE AND WHOSE FOREFATHERS WROTE THE BOOKS ARE TELLING YOU WHAT IT MEANS

so why the hell are you calling it “article"

or should they write a book concerning what their book means?

I'm waiting to read you own version with it correction.
I have Jewish version and I compare them while reading they are the same my brother.

Earthkumy:
I'm waiting to read you own version with it correction.
I have Jewish version and I compare them while reading they are the same my brother.

... you have the Jewish version?? do you understand Hebrew?... if you do, then the “article" would make so much sense to you.. if its wrong, then please refute it.. thanks

Wilgrea7:
... you have the Jewish version?? do you understand Hebrew?... if you do, then the “article" would make so much sense to you.. if its wrong, then please refute it.. thanks

the article didn't make sense to me at all. commentary is someone's opinion. we should take it the way it's written.

Earthkumy:
the article didn't make sense to me at all. commentary is someone's opinion. we should take it the way it's written.

please answer my question... Do you understand Hebrew?? if yes.. then the article should make sense.. if the article didn't make sense, then it means you can refute what the article said.. so since the article didn't make sense to you.. then kindly refute it

Wilgrea7:
please answer my question... Do you understand Hebrew?? if yes.. then the article should make sense.. if the article didn't make sense, then it means you can refute what the article said.. so since the article didn't make sense to you.. then kindly refute it

nothing to refute, Isaiah 9:6 have done that already.

Earthkumy:
"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God."

John 5:18

Like I said, You are reading nonsense into the texts.

Emphasis on the Bold, there are two accusations

1. He was accused of Breaking the Sabbath, do you believe this ?

2. He was accused of making Himself equal with God , Can you show me where He claimed to be equal with God ?


Its either Both allegations are TRUE ; OR Both allegations are FALSE

choose ?

Earthkumy:
nothing to refute, Isaiah 9:6 have done that already.

How does this prove trinity, Doesnt the same Bible called humans GODS ?

Earthkumy:
it means either, you don't read or you didn't read with understanding. the verses are there

.

I said the post didn't address the two verses, you insist they do.
Are you a LIAR ?

Emphasis on the bold. Show me John 14 vs 28 and 1 Corinth 11 vs 3 in that post ?

Peacefullove:
I said the post didn't address the two verses, you insist they do.
Are you a LIAR ?

Emphasis on the bold. Show me John 14 vs 28 and 1 Corinth 11 vs 3 in that post ?

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. JOHN 14:8-10

Earthkumy:
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. JOHN 14:8-10

You don't just quote, Explain what you meant to deduce from the above ?

- are you telling us Jesus is the Father ? . Let me get where you are driving at

Peacefullove:
You don't just quote, Explain what you meant to deduce from the above ?

- are you telling us Jesus is the Father ? . Let me get where you are driving at

what was Jesus saying?

[quote author=Earthkumy post=57879039]go back to the post and take the verses one by one and you will understand why Jesus made some statements ok[/quote

I read d post, n there is nothing in it to address d point I raised. You can't use d 'He was on earth' argument here because He was already back in heaven before makin d statement.

The same Jesus (the one God) that cannot use the authority he has as the one God to work. And he kept saying authority are given to him. The more you try to defend trinity the more you make either the father a liar or the son a liar.

achorladey:
The same Jesus (the one God) that cannot use the authority he has as the one God to work. And he kept saying authority are given to him. The more you try to defend trinity the more you make either the father a liar or the son a liar.

so you have how many Gods in your religion?

achorladey:
The same Jesus (the one God) that cannot use the authority he h
as as the one God to work. And he kept saying authority are given to him. The more you try to defend trinity the more you make either the father a liar or the son a liar.

Jesus said the father Is in me and I'm in him,
don't you believe that?

Earthkumy:
Jesus said the father Is in me and I'm in him,
don't you believe that?

If this proves Trinity, can we also deduce from John 14:20 that since we are in him who is in the father, we are also part of the Trinity?

John 14:20
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you