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God knows everything

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rrikado:
God knows everything

Blood of lucifer...

If God knows everything, why punish people in hell.

No wonder God is a monster

The OP just answered his own question with a question. The reasons people are religious is because of fear, and laziness. Fear of the unknown, and too lazy to do things by themselves.

malvisguy212:
good one menxer.

op, if the decision you blame made lead you to hell, how can you blame God for that ? Ezekiel 33:11. He created man for His glory and for His pleasure. Now here's a question... If you're God, will you derive pleasure from the "love" your created gives you if in the first place, you have programmed them like robots to give you love (they have no choice but to love you)? I believe that you'll agree that "love" that's not freely given is not true love. God had to give man a free will so that He can experience true love from His created so that pleasure is achieved. He wanted man to love Him willingly. Free will allows man to love God willingly. That's why God gave us free will. Not doing so goes against reason.

Its not freewill if i tell you this: "you can eat the burger if you like but if you do, i will punish you" the so called freewill in this statement is an illusion, there's actually no freewill because there is a restraining clause telling you implicitly not to eat the burger. That applies to the case of God and man.. No freewill at all.

OtemAtum:
This message doesn't concern me. It is for the sheeple. The fire in the afterlife of goddess Aluna is cold and not hot. I'll go play with that fire there.

However, in the afterlives, everything is possible. You can turn hotness to AC. I've been there before.

You have a very vast and flexible imagination bro. I envy you that.

If anybody, whosoever, the bible, any prophet tells you that man is given FreeWill tell the person that is not True. What kind of free will are we enjoying, if free will, let there be no hell fire so that man will enjoy it.

VargasVee:
We were all created with free will, now what good is it for us to have it if the intention was not for us to use it cause we'd go to hell if we stray?


I'm confused here.

Even if God collected the free will,
You will still be the one of the people to complain and say he is a dictator.....

So....

elderhimself:
I believe that i am a true believer.....but I will always doubt the existence of a free will

Why would you boubt the existence of free will when God gave us the ability to choose between right and wrong, good or bad, heaven or hell?

adepeter26:
Hell has always been the instrument use to instigate fear on the mind of its followers.

Religion is existing currently just because of the concept of hell

Not true. There are religions that do not teach the hell doctrine. You need to be informed about the different religions in the world. It is very likely that your Abrahamic religious background made you come to that conclusion.

malvisguy212:
good one menxer.


Ezekiel 33:11. He created man for His glory and for His pleasure. Now here's a question... If you're God, will you derive pleasure from the "love" your created gives you if in the first place, you have programmed them like robots to give you love (they have no choice but to love you)? I believe that you'll agree that "love" that's not freely given is not true love. God had to give man a free will so that He can experience true love from His created so that pleasure is achieved. He wanted man to love Him willingly. Free will allows man to love God willingly. That's why God gave us free will. Not doing so goes against reason.

I love your response but why is d hell fire if you are saying God love us or are you talking about the kind of love humans have for chicken?

You were given free will so that you can choose between good and evil. It would have been unfair if you never had an option. God knows what he is doing.

so that when you end up in hell, you will not say its because u were leaving life on factory settings, hehe.

You were given freewill to customize your life settings, follow Gods word and your custom settings will run efficiently, no lagging behind lol

VargasVee:
We were all created with free will, now what good is it for us to have it if the intention was not for us to use it cause we'd go to hell if we stray?


I'm confused here.

You have no free will.

Determinism by our will allows us to take moral responsibility for our actions. The will is free when alternative choices could have been made with the same pre-existing conditions.
Freedom of will allows us to say "I could have chosen and done otherwise".

In a deterministic world, everything that happens follows ineluctably from natural or divine laws. We are free to shape our future to be creative, to be unpredictable.

Freedom of human action does require the randomness of absolute unpredictability, but if our actions are the direct consequence of a random event, we cannot feel responsible. That would be mere indeterminism as unsatisfactory as determinism. Moreover, indeterminism appears to threaten reason itself, which seems to require certainty and casualty to establish truth, knowledge and laws of nature. Most philosophers described "indeterminism is true" as a disaster for reason.

Chance doesn't mean that every event is completely undetermined and uncaused. And it does not mean that chance is the direct cause of our actions, that our actions are random in any way. If our actions had random causes we could not be morally responsible.

Man was the only creature of God he regretted creating. Though, he repented of destroying man but man hasn't change. Take Lybia for example; they had a country working well for them but they said they are being stifled by laws. And the end today is what you have now with freedom. In essence, you give man freedom he complains, you take it from him he complains. God made us in His image n gave us some level of free will to act like him but man misused it.

VargasVee:
We were all created with free will, now what good is it for us to have it if the intention was not for us to use it cause we'd go to hell if we stray?


I'm confused here.

Since the beginning of time, those in power had always have the quest to control the hoi polloi. Fortunately or unfortunately, they found the tools in religious doctrines.

Make them believe and they will fall in line. Or as the religion of peace succinctly put it-- force them to believe and they will fall in line.
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Proudlyngwa:
Only him, who has overcome shall be worthy of wearing the crown.

We need to first know the purpose of the creation of man, then everything will fall in place.

Oya tell us the purpose ooo

VargasVee:
We were all created with free will, now what good is it for us to have it if the intention was not for us to use it cause we'd go to hell if we stray?


I'm confused here.

Nothing to be Confused about. We all have Conscience and know Right from Wrong! Just as your Free will gives you the opportunity to do Wrong, it also gives you the opportunity to do Right. So why would you choose Wrong when Choosing Right is better? That should be the question! Forget about Hell for a minute, choosing Wrong, and doing Wicked or Evil things can also send you to Jail cos the State also frowns on that. You Love yourself and wish yourself good at all times and that is all God asked for, Treat others the way you treat yourself. So Free Will is good but doesn't mean we Should be Stupid or Wicked. I mean cos I have Free will, I should be able to Kill anyone that makes me angry?

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Iamthoney:
Oya tell us the purpose ooo

According to the bible, Man (male and female) was created to dominate the earth. In the course of dominating earth, to contribute our own quota to mother earth

chukzyfcbb:
According to the bible, Man (male and female) was created to dominate the earth. In the course of dominating earth, to contribute our own quota to mother earth

Datzall?

hopefulLandlord:
Free will is inherently paradoxical, though, and doubly so when dealing with a supposedly omniscient, omnipotent being.

If decisions are dictated by circumstances (circumstances being both internal and external for this matter; predispositions to certain behaviours as much as personal history, etc.), then you have no free will, as you were never in control of your circumstances. If they are dictated by nothing, they're random and arbitrary, meaning you have no say in the decision-making process and, again, no free will.

Likewise, an omniscient being knows the outcome of all things before they occur. If said omniscient being is also omnipotent and creates a living creature, it decides the nature and circumstances of that being and, thus, all decisions it will ever make from the moment it has the cognizance to do so.

Cudos, Very well Said!

WORLDPEACE:
Not true. There are religions that do not teach the hell doctrine. You need to be informed about the different religions in the world. It is very likely that your Abrahamic religious background made you come to that conclusion.

Are those religions majorities in the world?

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carpenter4lyf:
Are those religions majorities in the world?

They exist, majority or minority. Are atheists the majority in the world?

VargasVee:
We were all created with free will, now what good is it for us to have it if the intention was not for us to use it cause we'd go to hell if we stray?


I'm confused here.

The free will was not given, Adam and Eve got it out of disobedience

adepeter26:
Hell has always been the instrument use to instigate fear on the mind of its followers.

Religion is existing currently just because of the concept of hell

False!!! There's no heaven or hell in Buddhism, yet people still practice it. Even Jehovah's witnesses hold that there is no hell.

Try some other lie.

femi4:
The free will was not given, Adam and Eve got it out of disobedience

What kind of lie is this?

Then why did God hold them accountable for eating the fruit if they were just zombies?

VargasVee:
We were all created with free will, now what good is it for us to have it if the intention was not for us to use it cause we'd go to hell if we stray?


I'm confused here.

So that you won't blame anybody when things go wrong.

Have you ever tried being a zombie? Its so cool.

WORLDPEACE:
They exist, majority or minority.

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Do Dae exist majority or minority. A simple question.

Are atheists the majority in the world?

Atheism isn't a religion..
We are minority worldwide. Checkout population of atheists to CHRISTAINS, MUSLIMS AND HINDU

hopefulLandlord:
Free will is inherently paradoxical, though, and doubly so when dealing with a supposedly omniscient, omnipotent being

But it could be quite simple. The missing link is our understanding. As St. Augustine said, "if you understand him, he's not God." It is safe to assume that we don't really know how God is omniscient. We are only speaking as our human language allows.

hopefulLandlord:
1. If decisions are dictated by circumstances (circumstances being both internal and external for this matter; predispositions to certain behaviours as much as personal history, etc.), then you have no free will, as you were never in control of your circumstances.

2. If they are dictated by nothing, they're random and arbitrary, meaning you have no say in the decision-making process and, again, no free will.

How about a third option. That decisions are NOT dictated, but are a product of RATIONAL thought/choice. Thus decisions cannot be random nor arbitrary, and sometimes have no bearing on circumstance. I can decide I want to go to the market today, whether it rains or not. I am not being arbitrary, neither am I letting circumstance dictate what I should do. I make a conscious choice and I stick to it.

hopefulLandlord:
Likewise, an omniscient being knows the outcome of all things before they occur. If said omniscient being is also omnipotent and creates a living creature, it decides the nature and circumstances of that being and, thus, all decisions it will ever make from the moment it has the cognizance to do so.

As you're typing now, I know that someday or sometime your MB will finish. Does that mean I am the one who made it to finish? No.

Likewise, if God is omniscient, does that mean he's the one pushing somebody to make any decision? No.