carpenter4lyf:

I don't expect you to agree. Anyways, I ve been there before. I have traded the path of Christianity.

Thank you. All these not needed. I know them

TheLordIsGr8:


Enlighten me.

Proudlyngwa:

The purpose of creating man was to achieve Godliness in the physical realm, and that is only achieved through free will

GodsMopol:


Pls, give me a verse in the Bible that expressly state or infer that we have freewill as man. Evidently from Gen 1-3, because after chapter 3, it was a different world or system that was in operation

Well, lemme attempt your question, God gave man dominion not freewill (as I await the answer to the above) and the dominion was to dictate how the operations on earth should go as man dress and name and God uses the fellowship Man has with God to further make man a god on earth.

But man sinned, man never had the freewill to eat the fruit, God said, of all the tree thou can freely eat, but don't eat, it was a command not an invitation to treaty

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

TheLordIsGr8:


Still you haven't answered my question. I know your MB will finish. Tell me how I am responsible for that and I'll tell you how come we do not have any freewill but are robots for God's entertainment.

emerged01:

Your will is your ability to choose between life and death.

Deuteronomy 30 vs 19

This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live



The day you choose to go astray is the day you choose death(hell).

hopefulLandlord:


that's because freewill and omniscience are mutually exclusive!

If He knows what we're going to do, doesn't that mean we are destined to do it? And if we are destined to do it, what are we, just "automaton-entertainment" for God??

To put it another way, God knows what we're going to do but we don't know what we're going to do. Still, we are going to do what God already knows we're going to do.

If we don't know what we're going to do (free will), how can God know, in advance, what we're going to do, since we haven't done it yet?

Either God does or doesn't know what we're going to do. And if God does know what we're going to do, what is the point of being tested as to whether we deserve Heaven or Hell? If we can't change (no free will) or if God knows what we're going to do in advance, why not go directly to Go either Heaven or Hell? As the song goes, "Why mess with mister in-between?" ♫♪♪♫♫♪

I'm sorry, but square pegs do not fit into a round hole. I learned that when I played with my "baby's block set." Later on, I learned that "you can't squeeze blood from a turnip," or my friend's favorite, "you can't pick feathers from a frog" (Dutch saying).

I will repeat my question: What is the point of free will if we are destined to do such-and-such? I don't get it.

hopefulLandlord:

this is false equivalence

there's a massive difference between knowing my MB would someday get exhausted and knowing every step to its exhaustion from the day I bought it, the sites I'll browse with the MB, the downloads I'll make with it, the hotspots I'll allow my visitors to use, what I'll do with each kilobyte of data etc

hopefulLandlord:

this is false equivalence

there's a massive difference between knowing my MB would someday get exhausted and knowing every step to its exhaustion from the day I bought it, the sites I'll browse with the MB, the downloads I'll make with it, the hotspots I'll allow my visitors to use, what I'll do with each kilobyte of data etc

Aragon:


Nothing to be Confused about. We all have Conscience and know Right from Wrong! Just as your Free will gives you the opportunity to do Wrong, it also gives you the opportunity to do Right. So why would you choose Wrong when Choosing Right is better? That should be the question! Forget about Hell for a minute, choosing Wrong, and doing Wicked or Evil things can also send you to Jail cos the State also frowns on that. You Love yourself and wish yourself good at all times and that is all God asked for, Treat others the way you treat yourself. So Free Will is good but doesn't mean we Should be Stupid or Wicked. I mean cos I have Free will, I should be able to Kill anyone that makes me angry?

VargasVee:
We were all created with free will, now what good is it for us to have it if the intention was not for us to use it cause we'd go to hell if we stray?


I'm confused here.

malvisguy212:
good one menxer.

op, if the decision you blame made lead you to hell, how can you blame God for that ? Ezekiel 33:11. He created man for His glory and for His pleasure. Now here's a question... If you're God, will you derive pleasure from the "love" your created gives you if in the first place, you have programmed them like robots to give you love (they have no choice but to love you)? I believe that you'll agree that "love" that's not freely given is not true love. God had to give man a free will so that He can experience true love from His created so that pleasure is achieved. He wanted man to love Him willingly. Free will allows man to love God willingly. That's why God gave us free will. Not doing so goes against reason.

AnonyNymous:

What he said is equivalent to him saying 'God knows we will all die someday. Therefore he is omniscient.'

hahn:

Jehovah brain no fit carry am. It is too dull

Iamthoney:
But your explanation doesn't relate to the supposedly free will thing the op was talking about na

haibe:
This is one question you shouldn't bother about.. No man can answer it. Thats if there's actually a freewill.

But trust me the freewill we talk about in this context is only an illusion, we do not have any freewill.

onos217:
If I get well, you mean it's not entirely free will but choosing between good and evil. Now, if you're for good, you go to heaven but if you're for evil you riot in hell.

VargasVee:
We were all created with free will, now what good is it for us to have it if the intention was not for us to use it cause we'd go to hell if we stray?


I'm confused here.

femi4:
If they knew they were unclad before eaten the forbidden fruit, how come they didn't cover their body

How come they went into hiding for the first time and couldn't answer God.

How come they did not touch the fruit until serpent deceived Eve.

Knowledge is about freewill and that fruit is fruit of knowledge. That's y God told them they ll die if they eat it.

When we were young, we believed our parent and every of their decisions seems right but as we get older, our knowledge increases. The tendency to disobey increase. In fact we questioned some decision they made on our behalf in the past

LordOfNaira:


So, you agree that we are robots Or better put, created as robots?

EternalBeing:

They were covered by the Glory of GOD, which was their garment. The glory departed immediately they disobeyed GOD.
Satan deceived Eve with this in the Garden of Eden and Eve told same to Adam. They wanted to be free, but were they?! With their obedience of satan, he hijacked their control, power, authority and Ownership of Earth. Instead of being free and becoming like GOD, they became satan's slaves and play things. You think they became wiser, NO, they became dumber! Their eyes opened to evil, they now kill their own brothers like Cain did, they now sacrifice their children to satan for money and power, after satan fvcked her, Eve is no longer satisfied with Adams natural Pennis and Prowress, he now relies on enhanceres and even charms that cut short his own life in the name of satisfying Eve.

GodsMopol:


Pls, give me a verse in the Bible that expressly state or infer that we have freewill as man. Evidently from Gen 1-3, because after chapter 3, it was a different world or system that was in operation

Well, lemme attempt your question, God gave man dominion not freewill (as I await the answer to the above) and the dominion was to dictate how the operations on earth should go as man dress and name and God uses the fellowship Man has with God to further make man a god on earth.

But man sinned, man never had the freewill to eat the fruit, God said, of all the tree thou can freely eat, but don't eat, it was a command not an invitation to treaty

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

VargasVee:
We were all created with free will, now what good is it for us to have it if the intention was not for us to use it cause we'd go to hell if we stray?


I'm confused here.

GodsMopol:


Pls, give me a verse in the Bible that expressly state or infer that we have freewill as man. Evidently from Gen 1-3, because after chapter 3, it was a different world or system that was in operation

Well, lemme attempt your question, God gave man dominion not freewill (as I await the answer to the above) and the dominion was to dictate how the operations on earth should go as man dress and name and God uses the fellowship Man has with God to further make man a god on earth.

But man sinned, man never had the freewill to eat the fruit, God said, of all the tree thou can freely eat, but don't eat, it was a command not an invitation to treaty

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

femi4:
Sorry, I didn't see that in my Bible

VargasVee:
We were all created with free will, now what good is it for us to have it if the intention was not for us to use it cause we'd go to hell if we stray?


I'm confused here.

EternalBeing:
True Chriatians have the Holy Spirit which Yahshua Christ promised HE shall teacg us all things. The Bible says you are the Temple of GOD.
The glory of God
To really understand this better, we need to define what the glory of God means. The only proper way to do this, is by consulting God’s Word itself.
Ex 40:34-35 “Then the cloud covered the Temple, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. Moses could not enter the Temple beuause the cloud had settled upon it, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.”

tete7000:


It is a freewill because it allows us to choose whether to go to hell or to work our way to heaven. It ensures we are not robots but can take decision outside pre-programmed territories. Imagine a world full of robots, that's what the world would have been without freewill. Boring! Freewill brings interesting things out of man. It makes him creative. It makes him thinks outside the box.
But are we really free? Hear this:
" You do not belong to yourselves but to God;
He bought you for a price. So use your bodies for God's glory." 1Cor.6:19-20