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Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by FFKfuckedBIANCA: 9:51pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
Chai!!! See thesis. Omohayek please if possible try to break down some of those economics jargon and terminologies so that laymen like me can grasp |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by omohayek: 9:56pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
FFKfuckedBIANCA:Sorry if I've skipped over undefined terms - I didn't want to make the piece even longer than it already is! Just tell me the points you want clarified and I'll try to give brief, direct responses to them. 1 Like |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by shukuokukobambi: 10:10pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
Omohayek, thumbs up for your rich post. However, before this era of alternative facts, I would have trusted an independent body like the CBO to put stupid politicians and their promises in check but I think the reality of these present times of extreme populism make such trust, childish at best. E.g, the Republican party and Trump are pushing on with Trumpcare despite the CBO's damning verdict. To show how crooked they are, they forced through a vote in Congress before the CBO released its findings. How do we move ahead with scenarios like these? If a 240year old democracy can be helpless against such reckless demagoguery, what hope lies for futuristic ones like ours? 4 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by omohayek: 10:22pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
shukuokukobambi:Again, you've anticipated a question for which I was already working on the answer! Give me a little time and I'll post it soon enough (though I'm sure its length will test more than a few people's patience ...) 3 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by shukuokukobambi: 10:23pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
omohayek: The floor is yours dear bro. Kwantinue |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by TVTKOKO(m): 10:24pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
We are first Yoruba before any bleeping religion of the white man.. We cannot let religion bring a divide amongst us. I believe the average yoruba is more enlightened than to let religion bring a rift between family members. God forbid! I actually think some people especially here on Nairaland, are hell bent on causing religious differences among we the yorubas, that's why you recently hear stuffs like 'yoruba Muslim' 'yoruba Christian'.. I mean.. What's that supposed to mean?? I am a Christian today because my dad is a Christian and so would i be a muslim if my dad is a Muslim.. It's all about choice. Religious tolerance is one thing that has kept the south West far better than their Northern counterpart. In the North where I live, kaduna precisely, religion has caused so much damages that it has gone beyond repairs. There are some places you dare not stay if you're a Christian in the North and vice-versa. We all have our own shortcomings and i would be glad if we can deal with them constructively, devoid of religion sentiment... Thank you From omoluabi tokan tokan 13 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by omohayek: 10:46pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
"All well and good", you might say, "I like your fiscal policy rules, and the institution for oversight is great, but what prevents a government from ignoring such independent assessments and ramming its unjustifiable plans through anyway?" Here I'll have to put my hands up and simply say that at the end of the day, it all boils down to how vigilant the citizenry are willing to be. No system of checks and balances can ever completely compensate for a citizenry that abdicates its responsibility to hold its government accountable, and here is where the importance of high quality mass education must be stressed. The average secondary school graduate (not just the university degree holder) needs to know the essentials of the constitution and the basic workings of the government well enough to reasonably follow the activities of the executive, the legislature and the judiciary; the man and woman on the street must be well versed enough in such matters as to be outraged when would-be populists try to undermine these pillars of government, or steer the country on a reckless course. It is in this matter of mass education in the principles of good government that we see perhaps the worst failing of Nigerian governance. Try to strip Englishmen of the liberties enshrined in their Bill of Rights, or to deprive an American of the rights listed in the American equivalent, and the outrage you unleash will be so ferocious you'll find yourself scrambling for safety. With the typical Nigerian, on the other hand, such principles are so poorly understood, and seem so abstract, that attempts to avert jungle justice or executive overreach are always met with idiotic responses such as "who human rights epp?" or "to hell with rule of law!" Nigerians value the constitutional rights they have so little that many would gladly have them all stripped away if a self-appointed savior in uniform would only step forward and make empty promises to "end corruption", and they think this way even though none of the other such saviors in the past have ever kept the promises they made in their time. As annoying as one finds such ignorant statements, the sad truth is that those who make them simply don't know any better, thanks to a terrible educational system, and governments that actually prefer that the masses remain in docile ignorance of their rights and what they should be able to demand of their rulers. To create a mass of citizens who will have what it takes to become the ultimate guarantors of good government, lessons in civics, economics and history will have to take a prominent place right alongside basics such as reading and mathematics. It will no longer be sufficient to be able to slice and dice equations, regurgitate chemical formulae, or churn out cleverly worded essays, without having the capacity to grasp the essential political issues of the day and offer coherent opinions on them. In the new, largely mono-ethnic state, citizens should no longer have the option of falling back on the crutches of place of origin or religion as a means of avoiding having to actually think about the issues; the "our kinsman" mentality will die an overdue death only when voters are able to grasp that a candidate's policies can be far more important than where he or she is from. Ultimately, there is no policy framework that can save a people determined on foolishness from undermining themselves, and no educational system that is guaranteed to preserve a nation from folly - a harsh truth we've seen illustrated in the western world over the past year, first with Brexit, and then the election of a racist, narcissistic, orange buffoon as President of the United States: for all the care and attention America's founders put into crafting their constitution, with its separation of powers, enshrinement of rights and obligations on political office-holders, 60 million Americans opted for a three-time bankrupt charlatan with no record of holding office, an ignoramus who demonstrated many times over, in the course of campaigning, his lack of fitness for even the role of county clerk, let alone the most powerful political job in the world. What hope, then, for a young, poor African country? In the end it comes down to how hard each of us, as individuals, is willing to fight for this shared vision of how a country should run, having been given all the necessary educational and institutional tools for the fight. If "Baba Tola" and "Mama Iyabo" decide they want to elect a Yoruba Hugo Chavez or Donald Trump, they should at least be doing so with the knowledge that they are breaking all the principles drilled into them back in their school days, and acknowledge that those principles made sense, whatever lame rationalizations they may now come up with for ignoring the principles in question. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by MrMaestro: 4:28am On Jul 05, 2017 |
omohayek: I am enlightened so much by this post. Thank you! |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by Nobody: 6:19am On Jul 05, 2017 |
Origamist:Yoruba Muslims don't have the mind of their own. Don't let anyone tell you any sugarcoated lie. As you can see, none was able to answer your question directly; just beating around the bush. This is why they're consider inferior Muslims by the North. 1 Like |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by Nobody: 6:23am On Jul 05, 2017 |
history2902:This is nothing but the truth. Yes, I am Yoruba. Hurt me with the truth rather than comfort me with lies. 1 Like |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by AshiwajuFoward: 6:34am On Jul 05, 2017 |
ColonelDrake: Guy, unfortunately for you, you are on your own with this your 'Yoruba Muslim' talk. Hey, it's a free world, so if you hate 'Yoruba Muslims' so much, you are free to 'port' to the Biafran side where you will find likeminds, coz this your mindless and divisive drivel will NEVER gain traction in Yorubaland. Ko jo. 18 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by Nobody: 6:47am On Jul 05, 2017 |
AshiwajuFoward:Nope, it will be the other way around. The yoruba Muslims will be pushed back to futa jalon to do a full time job licking the abokiiissss hairy assesss. One Nigeria is the reason why we haven't see the bad side of islam yet in the SW. I already have a notion of what you guys can do. The bunch of islamic extremists I saw in my undergraduate days will not be forgotten so soon. I'm not even a christian, yet preaching on the bus by Christians doesn't affect me in any way. Even if it infringes on my right, hey jts something i can let go or overlook. The Muslims on the flip side wont tolerate such. You see them scattering and destroying school facilities and declaring fatwah abi fatai just because of preaching that doesn't hurt anyone. They forget how they disturb everyone's sleep in the morning as well but heck no one makes a fuss about it. Since then i will never forget how violent and intolerant you guys are. And I have also seen here on Nl how oau has now become breeding ground for islamist extremist. All these happening in the SW. Now they want to make our children study arabic, and guess what, yoruba muslims have no problem with it, hence the reason why the defend this islamic evil apshit govt with their blood. Islam must be propagated. Ko le werk 4 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by AshiwajuFoward: 7:01am On Jul 05, 2017 |
ColonelDrake: With all due respect guy, I suggest you work on your mind coz you seem to be gradually losing control of it. Secondly, just so you know, I am NEITHER a Christian or a Muslim so again you're way off in your assumption as to my religious affiliation. We are here to talk and fashion out a way forward for all Yorubas irrespective of their clan or religious affiliation, on how best to build a country where we can all feel at home and unencumbered by the factors that have rendered Nigeria unworkable today. Since you obviously don't share our perspective and vision of building such a society, it's all well and good coz not all Yorubas will choose to live in such a republic as we are proposing. Which was why I suggested that you consider porting to the Biafran side where you will feel more at home with likeminds that share your views. What you are proposing is nothing short of a [religious] CIVIL WAR within the Yoruba nation, a proposition that will NEVER EVER fly. 20 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by alanka(f): 7:05am On Jul 05, 2017 |
Jetleeee:All the schools in afonja land have to be closed down until further notice. Afanjas can be dreaming, give an afonja pencil he will start dreaming, and he will take days writing s!!!!t like this. |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by FFKfuckedBIANCA: 7:08am On Jul 05, 2017 |
You na go just dey fall my hand. Must you respond to that thing? Dont quote him. Ignore him. AshiwajuFoward: 13 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by AshiwajuFoward: 7:12am On Jul 05, 2017 |
FFKfuckedBIANCA: Noted. 12 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by Nobody: 7:15am On Jul 05, 2017 |
AshiwajuFoward:The war only exist in your wildest imagination. At least I have created an awareness for the average yoruba christian, agnostic and traditionalists to be weary of you yoruba muslims. That's the main thing. Deep down you know it is truth even though you'd prefer I hide it. We are different. Even those that have been calling for restructuring are Christians. How do you explain the ratio of Gej versus Buhari votes in the SW. It shows how Yoruba Christians and Muslims have different ideologies. Don't lie to my face telling me it doesn't matter or it doesn't exist. Only very few Christians and liberals like me voted buhari. But more than 95% Muslims voted Buhari ditto for Christians and Gej. We have different ideologies. Take it or leave it. I don't like this - support odua online to pretend that we are up for restructuring while behind the scenes we are endorsing one Nigeria and forming unity beggars. while at it, we are still licking aboki ass and are their foot soldiers. |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by Olu317(m): 7:39am On Jul 05, 2017 |
TVTKOKO:God bless you for this your piece. 11 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by shukuokukobambi: 7:46am On Jul 05, 2017 |
@omohayek, thanks once again for a most enlightening post. I guess if Europeans can push back the onslaught of illiterate trumpesque politicians while rejecting the mainstream parties that have failed them e.g Macron's success in France, then we can hope that its also possible with us. Education of the total man, not just acquisition of certificates, will be key in this regard and it starts by focusing on issues on threads like this. Well done to all partaking in rubbing minds here 10 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by Olu317(m): 7:54am On Jul 05, 2017 |
AshiwajuFoward:I doubt that “coloneldrake" guy's Yoruba identity ,because of the his remarks as it relates to his degrading comment about Yoruba Muslims. I know his type. People like him will run when it “sets." Perhaps, he is half Yoruba from matrilineal perspective. I know some folks like that. I have never seen a Yoruba man that will be a fanatic and not been mindful of what he or she relay to the world. It is so pathetic, seeing such on this forum. Anyway, there is no iota of doubt that , some people will always be among the observers, applauding folks , while the real men make the difference. 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by Olu317(m): 7:57am On Jul 05, 2017 |
AshiwajuFoward:I doubt that “coloneldrake" guy's Yoruba identity ,because of the his remarks as it relates to his degrading comment about Yoruba Muslims. I know his type. People like him will run when it “sets." Perhaps, he is half Yoruba from matrilineal perspective. I know some folks like that. I have never seen a Yoruba man that will be a fanatic and not been mindful of what he or she relay to the world. It is so pathetic, seeing such on this forum. Anyway, there is no iota of doubt that , some people will always be among the observers, applauding folks , while the real men make the difference. Lastly, thank you for sending him to forum where his likes showcase their TALENTS against their contemporaries from other extremely far right hand side to Yoruba land of people within the confine of Nigeria. 3 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by walemoney007(m): 8:28am On Jul 05, 2017 |
Dalek:I love this 1 Like |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by mercyville: 9:25am On Jul 05, 2017 |
ColonelDrake..ejo sir...o.ti to. 2 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by eyinjuege: 9:47am On Jul 05, 2017 |
ColonelDrake: You are very wrong about Yoruba Christians not voting for Buhari. I am also a Christian, and most of the people around me, old and young voted for Buhari. Infact, majority of the Christians I know voted for Buhari. It was always a wild debate, I know old people that came home from abroad to vote for Buhari. I personally didn't believe in him, because of his past antecedents as a coup d'etat beneficiary, but I was the minority. You don't need to attempt being divisive. Kolewerk 14 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by Outofsync(m): 10:25am On Jul 05, 2017 |
omohayek: Your second paragraph was bitter but nothing but the honest truth. However perhaps all we need to avoid is extreme polarization of political parties like the USA and UK?? I'm trying to reason how we can avoid the mistakes of others by learning from them. Your emphasis on a massive reorientation towards education is commendable but how do you balance the cost of this with the new infrastructural demands of a new country. We all know quality education is not cheap. How exactly do we "sell" the idea of education to a people disillusioned already by the horseshit standard called education in Nigeria?? 1 Like |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by Outofsync(m): 10:29am On Jul 05, 2017 |
Yorubas in Diaspora will have an integral role to play in the new country, if nothing else, for their technical skills. I think we will also need to massively overhaul our educational system and eliminate redundant courses. Man, those periods are certainly going to be.... tight. 2 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by omohayek: 10:32am On Jul 05, 2017 |
Outofsync:As I noted earlier, there is simply no reason why the government should be the primary mover behind infrastructure, and looking at the industrial history of other countries shows that the private sector can handle it superbly, given an encouraging regulatory environment. The Nigerian fixation on government as the answer to all problems is a legacy of the oil boom happening just when socialism was at the height of fashion in the Third World. |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by Outofsync(m): 10:32am On Jul 05, 2017 |
ColonelDrake: The boldened shows me you do not live in Yoruba Land. Like many others have said, your divisive plan isn't going to work. 12 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by 9jakool: 12:43pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
ColonelDrake:let's get some things right -Secularism will be promoted in a Yoruba state. - Freedom of religion will be upheld which would guarantee rights of believers and non believers. - Yoruba will be the official language of the land, not Arabic. You say you are being realistic, but you are not being pragmatic. If you have an issue with something put out a practical way to resolve it. What do you propose to do with the problems you noted? Does deporting millions of people to Fouta Jallon and separating millions of families a realistic way to deal with extremism? Your ideas are a bit radical and it's quite ironic that you are tagging others as extremists, when you yourself seem to be one. 7 Likes |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by lharstborn(m): 12:55pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
The very congent and pragmatic question to achieving an Odua state is: "What is the first step to be taken?" |
Re: Draft Of The Oodua Region Yoruba Constitution by Nobody: 2:33pm On Jul 05, 2017 |
ColonelDrake is here with a mission, and the mission is to derail the thread! Please, everyone should please ignore him! Thanks 1 Like |
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