Obaluf0n:



You may neef to first understand that prior to Oduduwa the King or Abrahamic religion; the Yoruba had a creation story which revolved around a god Oduduwa that was seen as a bottom of the calabash while Obatala was the top of it, this deity was seen as a female, wife of Obatala, by western Yoruba while fpr the Eastern it is male, the husband but a common ground is that they were both on an errand of creation and became rivals. This precedes Oduduwa the human by far. Alfred & Shaka were humans, Oodua for Yorubs can be the creator deity or warrior king. It is fluid.

Jetleeee:
That one or two people from Edo and Delta joined in drafting the document doesn't mean majority of them care about Yorubas or would love to be part of a Yoruba country . Please lets quit the ipob-esque delusion. Have you ever seen Itsekiri or Akoko-Edo repping in any Yoruba event?

The only Yorubas outside the SW are Kwarans and Okun people. The rest are...whatever

No need to consult them for anything. Yoruba is Yoruba. Itsekiri is Itsekiri.

AshiwajuFoward:


Exactly. Only a minority of those groups still openly identify themselves as Yoruba today. The vast majority have long carved a separate identity for themselves and would rather be identified along those lines.

My view is that we start from our current 6 SW states while consulting with those in parts of Kogi and Kwara. If the Kogi and Kwara ones refuse to commit to the project, that's fine and no hard feelings. After all there are Yorubas in Benin and Togo, and they're cool where they're at while still enjoying good relations with the rest of the wider Yoruba family based on our shared historical and cultural ties.

We mustn't allow any petty excuse to rob us of an opportunity to have a Yoruba country. IMO, Yorubas that are currently of the SW fold but are willing to join must be vocal and at the forefront of making such ambitions and aspirations known. I am sure the SW states will surely support them if they do. But they must be the ones to make the first moves.

Omofunaab2:
Please your Oodua constitution should only have the six south western States for now..

AshiwajuFoward:


Hear this Omo ale. Even as una dey fight for Biafra you still dey eye Lagos?? Are you people cursed? Better go and face your Biafra struggle.

AshiwajuFoward:


Exactly. Only a minority of those groups still openly identify themselves as Yoruba today. The vast majority have long carved a separate identity for themselves and would rather be identified along those lines.

My view is that we start from our current 6 SW states while consulting with those in parts of Kogi and Kwara. If the Kogi and Kwara ones refuse to commit to the project, that's fine and no hard feelings. After all there are Yorubas in Benin and Togo, and they're cool where they're at while still enjoying good relations with the rest of the wider Yoruba family based on our shared historical and cultural ties.

We mustn't allow any petty excuse to rob us of an opportunity to have a Yoruba country. IMO, Yorubas that are currently not a part of the SW fold but are willing to join their brethren must be vocal and at the forefront of making such ambitions and aspirations known. I am sure the SW states will surely support them if they do. But they must be the ones to make the first moves.

ShangoThor:



For me, this is where you nailed it, and considering this whole idea is a concept which ultimately has to be sold in order to gain traction and wide acceptance is is very necessary to try as much as possible to separate fact from fiction or myth.

There is nothing fictional about creating a Nation-State, this is not a joke whereby some roll out of bed and dream of creating an autonomous independent Nation-State, the main consideration here in buy-in and opt-in by most of the participants. Also as a concept, many other considerations have to be explored such as viability and the marketing for obvious reasons, and I could go on and on.

I would just like to say that this is what I do for a living and I get paid extremely handsomely to actualize concepts.
What you are effectively doing is creating a bone of contention before the idea actually germinates.

ShangoThor:
My little contribution this afternoon.
I predict this topic in terms of implementation ought to be considered D.O.A.

Basic premise:
Not all sub-collectives relate to being descendants of Ooduduwa, however the common thread running through our collective existence is an affiliation with 'Ile-Ife' as the source.

Thus any idea of a republic ought to be called 'Ile-Ife' or Simply 'Ife' and not 'Ooduduwa' republic.

Now considering this is an idea that needs to be sold to all sub-communities underneath the context of a global or transcending umbrella identity, and it is not going to be IMPOSED, I suggest you do a little bit of consultation unless you are not taking the whole enterprise seriously and you intend to waste people's time.

Cheers

Olu317:
I doubt your postulation to be true if you consider the fact that everyone that moved away from ILE IFE at one time or the other are linked to Odu'a. I mentioned this because they all intermarried among themselves at one point in time or the other. However, because of a genuine concern of yours which I draw wisdom from. However, it is going to be challenging though but it shall be resolved. Though world wide, we are referred to as YORUBA people . Perhaps you can suggest an alternative name that is more appealing or a newly coined one apart from ILE IFE. After all, no knowledge is lost.

ooduapathfinder:
Thank you all for your contributions. Of couse, this will have to be sold and NOT enforced. And this particular debate is very encouraging. As to Edo/Delta, some of them participated in the making of this Draft and actually insisted on being included. Having said that, it is a question they will have to address and answer, even as we are cognizant of their geo-political location. Any interested organization or individual can make their formal submissions to "editor@ooduapathfinder.com". These will form part of the preparations towards further steps.
So, sirs/mas, in the meantime, let the debate continue.
Editor.

AshiwajuFoward:


Exactly. Only a minority of those groups still openly identify themselves as Yoruba today. The vast majority have long carved a separate identity for themselves and would rather be identified along those lines.

My view is that we start from our current 6 SW states while consulting with those in parts of Kogi and Kwara. If the Kogi and Kwara ones refuse to commit to the project, that's fine and no hard feelings. After all there are Yorubas in Benin and Togo, and they're cool where they're at while still enjoying good relations with the rest of the wider Yoruba family based on our shared historical and cultural ties.

We mustn't allow any petty excuse to rob us of an opportunity to have a Yoruba country. IMO, Yorubas that are currently not a part of the SW fold but are willing to join their brethren must be vocal and at the forefront of making such ambitions and aspirations known. I am sure the SW states will surely support them if they do. But they must be the ones to make the first moves.

HopeAtHand:
You and whoever came up with this Constitution are idiots.

ooduapathfinder:
Addendum:

Edo as in Akoko Edo; Delta as in Itsekiri

Editor

nototribalist:
See these slaves thinking they're free from their Masters yet. Oduwawa or whatever you call yourself. Have Tinubu approved your leaving Nigeria?

Jetleeee:
That one or two people from Edo and Delta joined in drafting the document doesn't mean majority of them care about Yorubas or would love to be part of a Yoruba country . Please lets quit the ipob-esque delusion. Have you ever seen Itsekiri or Akoko-Edo repping in any Yoruba event?

The only Yorubas outside the SW are Kwarans and Okun people. The rest are...whatever

No need to consult them for anything. Yoruba is Yoruba. Itsekiri is Itsekiri.

AshiwajuFoward:


Exactly. Only a minority of those groups still openly identify themselves as Yoruba today. The vast majority have long carved a separate identity for themselves and would rather be identified along those lines.

My view is that we start from our current 6 SW states while consulting with those in parts of Kogi and Kwara. If the Kogi and Kwara ones refuse to commit to the project, that's fine and no hard feelings. After all there are Yorubas in Benin and Togo, and they're cool where they're at while still enjoying good relations with the rest of the wider Yoruba family based on our shared historical and cultural ties.

We mustn't allow any petty excuse to rob us of an opportunity to have a Yoruba country. IMO, Yorubas that are currently not a part of the SW fold but are willing to join their brethren must be vocal and at the forefront of making such ambitions and aspirations known. I am sure the SW states will surely support them if they do. But they must be the ones to make the first moves.

Malawian:

Remove lagos from that map. Lagos is no mans land.

yomexp:
but the okun people of kogi (senator Dino milaye and smart Adeyemi constituency) have long stated in clear terms that they want to join their kith and kin from South West in the last national conference

ZorGBUooeh:

Hahaha! Nna help me ask am o..Its like they laced the weed he smoked this night with sumtin..They have been slaves to dia fulani lords since the days of dia fada afonja the betrayal.

deedeedee1:

If yoruba put mouth in biafra threads now, you will start crying. You are begging hausa-fulanis to leave you and you are calling other people slaves. lolz!!!
Be deceiving yourself.

deedeedee1:
Baba face your biafra. Stop being two-faced

yomexp:
but the okun people of kogi (senator Dino milaye and smart Adeyemi constituency) have long stated in clear terms that they want to join their kith and kin from South West in the last national conference

AshiwajuFoward:


Exactly. Only a minority of those groups still openly identify themselves as Yoruba today. The vast majority have long carved a separate identity for themselves and would rather be identified along those lines.

My view is that we start from our current 6 SW states while consulting with those in parts of Kogi and Kwara. If the Kogi and Kwara ones refuse to commit to the project, that's fine and no hard feelings. After all there are Yorubas in Benin and Togo, and they're cool where they're at while still enjoying good relations with the rest of the wider Yoruba family based on our shared historical and cultural ties.

We mustn't allow any petty excuse to rob us of an opportunity to have a Yoruba country. IMO, Yorubas that are currently not a part of the SW fold but are willing to join their brethren must be vocal and at the forefront of making such ambitions and aspirations known. I am sure the SW states will surely support them if they do. But they must be the ones to make the first moves.

deedeedee1:

Excellent contribution! The Yorubas in Benin and Togo speak Yoruba language and even look up to us here in Nigeria. I dont know why the ones in Nigeria don't really focus on them. I guess their obsession with "one nigeria" is the cause. There are "Nigerian yorubas" that dont even know that yoruba language is spoken by many in Benin and Togo
This is the map of Yorubaland in Benin republic and Togo.

SuperS1Panther:


Please edit your initial post sharp sharp.

Remove Edo and Delta please.

Obaluf0n:


Buooda mi Olu omo Olusi. This is your aburo from Ife o, from ile obatala . Se e wapa?