9jakool:

let's get some things right
-Secularism will be promoted in a Yoruba state.
- Freedom of religion will be upheld which would guarantee rights of believers and non believers.
- Yoruba will be the official language of the land, not Arabic.

You say you are being realistic, but you are not being pragmatic. If you have an issue with something put out a practical way to resolve it. What do you propose to do with the problems you noted? Does deporting millions of people to Fouta Jallon and separating millions of families a realistic way to deal with extremism? Your ideas are a bit radical and it's quite ironic that you are tagging others as extremists, when you yourself seem to be one.

Bro are you sure that some yorubas that practice islamic religion will not want arabic language to be an official language? Some of them are even in support of the arabic teachings that was brought out recently. I have seen some chronic islamist in our midst. Especially some from Oyo, kwara and osun states. They even preach against other religion faith (most pentecoastal churches also do this though). They preach hate. Even governor aregbesola almost caused problems in osun state.
How are you sure we will not have religious problems when we have people like this?

lharstborn:
The very congent and pragmatic question to achieving an Odua state is: "What is the first step to be taken?"

That is a good question. Me sef dont know.

lharstborn:
The very congent and pragmatic question to achieving an Odua state is: "What is the first step to be taken?"

The first step is and should be consultations across Yorubaland to introduce the idea to Yoruba people across the board, gauge their feelings and reactions, collect imputes and solicit advice, consents and make sure we all on the same page before taking the next step which shouldn't even be a formal declaration of intent.


The second step is planning. We should assemble a strong planning committee consisting of students/young members of the society, business leaders, traditional rulers, political and elected officials, technocrats, constitutional lawyers, and minds, or team to formulate a road map and way forward, steps to be taken till formal declaration of intent, governing, establishment of a federal capital, iron our details from communal access and integration, justice system, policing and law enforcements, economic/trade and cultural policies, economic zones from industrials to agriculture, development goals, budgets and allocations, leadership and governing criteria and policies and other issues necessary for a successful and smooth take off.

There must be concrete approval and consents from representatives and planning members from every corner of Yorubaland before going to the next phase or step. This must be done to prevent misunderstanding or disagreement later down the road.

The third step is the constitution which must be drafted with deep consultations, approval and imputes and strong approval across the board before final approval and consents by reps from every corner of Yorubaland.

Setting up a strong lobbying committee to fan across the globe to lobby relevant nations and world organizations for support and guidance.

The 4th step should be setting a date for formal notification locally and internationally.


What we should never do is what ibo people are doing and have been doing like making noise all over the place without planning, without sane and rational thoughts, lack of consultations within their own communities, aimless and clueless leadership unable to guide the hopes and desires of their people, abusing and insulting friends and allies, including other communities outside their borders without consultations and so on. This is why they are not taken seriously and we shouldn't start off the same way they did, we are too smart, knowledgeable and refined to go down that comedic, nonserious and laughable road.


Secession is serious business with serious local and global implications.

alanka:
All the schools in afonja land have to be closed down until further notice.

Afanjas can be dreaming, give an afonja pencil he will start dreaming, and he will take days writing s!!!!t like this.

Shhhhhhh...you too dey talk

Afonja, Afanja. Na your apa nickname be that?

deomelo:



The first step is and should be consultations across Yorubaland to introduce the idea to Yoruba people across the board, gauge their feelings and reactions, collect imputes and solicit advice, consents and make sure we all on the same page before taking the next step which shouldn't even be a formal declaration of intent.


The second step is planning. We should assemble a strong planning committee consisting of students/young members of the society, business leaders, traditional rulers, political and elected officials, technocrats, constitutional lawyers, and minds, or team to formulate a road map and way forward, steps to be taken till formal declaration of intent, governing, establishment of a federal capital, iron our details from communal access and integration, justice system, policing and law enforcements, economic/trade and cultural policies, economic zones from industrials to agriculture, development goals, budgets and allocations, leadership and governing criteria and policies and other issues necessary for a successful and smooth take off.

There must be concrete approval and consents from representatives and planning members from every corner of Yorubaland before going to the next phase or step. This must be done to prevent misunderstanding or disagreement later down the road.

The third step is the constitution which must be drafted with deep consultations, approval and imputes and strong approval across the board before final approval and consents by reps from every corner of Yorubaland.

Setting up a strong lobbying committee to fan across the globe to lobby relevant nations and world organizations for support and guidance.

The 4th step should be setting a date for formal notification locally and internationally.


What we should never do is what ibo people are doing and have been doing like making noise all over the place without planning, without sane and rational thoughts, lack of consultations within their own communities, aimless and clueless leadership unable to guide the hopes and desires of their people, abusing and insulting friends and allies, including other communities outside their borders without consultations and so on. This is why they are not taken seriously and we shouldn't start off the same way they did, we are too smart, knowledgeable and refined to go down that comedic, nonserious and laughable road.


Secession is serious business with serious local and global implications.

I like this

Colonel rake drink some water.. You're talking too much

omohayek:

As I noted earlier, there is simply no reason why the government should be the primary mover behind infrastructure, and looking at the industrial history of other countries shows that the private sector can handle it superbly, given an encouraging regulatory environment. The Nigerian fixation on government as the answer to all problems is a legacy of the oil boom happening just when socialism was at the height of fashion in the Third World.

I see..

There would be a need to place high piority on security then...

Outofsync:


I see..

There would be a need to place high piority on security then...

Indeed! The general atmosphere of lawlessness that prevails in Nigeria is a serious disincentive for anyone to invest their time, energy and money into any projects requiring a long time to pay off.

Just as important as physical security is a legal system that is fast,efficient, rational and incorruptible. No business person wants to deal with having to settle disputes through court cases that can take years to work their way through the system, only for the outcome to be settled by who hands the judge the fattest brown envelope.

Outofsync:


I see..

There would be a need to place high piority on security then...

Omohayek in respect to your opinion about concessioning some appointments to foreign experts, would it be appropriate if the same is applied to our security architecture? I am particularly concerend about our Maritime security and land border policing.

I see no room for the already compromised Otunba Gani Adams, Dr Fredrick Faseun and their gang of OPC thugs. Their own definition of security is ignorantly restricted to the use of charms, broken bottles and dane guns. They lack the requisite military training, tactics and strategies needed for National Defence.

FFKfuckedBIANCA:
Omohayek in respect to your opinion about concessioning some appointments to foreign experts, would it be appropriate if the same is applied to our security architecture? I am particularly concerend about our Maritime security and land border policing.

I see no room for the already compromised Otunba Gani Adams, Dr Fredrick Faseun and their gang of OPC thugs. Their own definition of security is ignorantly restricted to the use of charms, broken bottles and dane guns. They lack the requisite military training, tactics and strategies needed for National Defence.

I agree that there can be no room for reliance on untrained vigilantes for security in any form. The only reason why such groups currently exist is because of the FG's stubborn refusal to delegate security responsibilities downwards to where they would best be handled.

I have a lot more I'd like to say about the topic, but will save it for later, as I'm writing this on the tiny screen of a mobile phone.

Evening to everyone and Nice contributions from all. Read all and they are very insightful. I pray Olodumare continue to increase our wisdom and knowledge.

FFKfuckedBIANCA:
Omohayek in respect to your opinion about concessioning some appointments to foreign experts, would it be appropriate if the same is applied to our security architecture? I am particularly concerend about our Maritime security and land border policing.

I see no room for the already compromised Otunba Gani Adams, Dr Fredrick Faseun and their gang of OPC thugs. Their own definition of security is ignorantly restricted to the use of charms, broken bottles and dane guns. They lack the requisite military training, tactics and strategies needed for National Defence.

You misconstrued the purpose of OPC. However, they are just a better replica of the Yoruba politicians because, some people have to fill in the gap when no one or the right elites are not willing to do much to salvage the glorious and outstanding Yoruba ethnicity. Kudos to the OPC because indeed the OPC has done its best in the aspect of security of lives and properties within the power in its jurisdiction. The only thing I expect Yoruba nation need do is to continue to give orientation to the active members of the OPC and probably transform them to community policemen which will be different from province and federal security apparatus. They made us proud and always willing despite the fact that some of them are not as educated as the elite of the Yoruba race. Everyone born as Yoruba is a bona-fide OPC member.

lharstborn:
The very congent and pragmatic question to achieving an Odua state is: "What is the first step to be taken?"

Can someone answer this for me? We need to start putting this into action.

mynd44 please unban my deedeedee1 account

deomelo:



The first step is and should be consultations across Yorubaland to introduce the idea to Yoruba people across the board, gauge their feelings and reactions, collect imputes and solicit advice, consents and make sure we all on the same page before taking the next step which shouldn't even be a formal declaration of intent.


The second step is planning. We should assemble a strong planning committee consisting of students/young members of the society, business leaders, traditional rulers, political and elected officials, technocrats, constitutional lawyers, and minds, or team to formulate a road map and way forward, steps to be taken till formal declaration of intent, governing, establishment of a federal capital, iron our details from communal access and integration, justice system, policing and law enforcements, economic/trade and cultural policies, economic zones from industrials to agriculture, development goals, budgets and allocations, leadership and governing criteria and policies and other issues necessary for a successful and smooth take off.

There must be concrete approval and consents from representatives and planning members from every corner of Yorubaland before going to the next phase or step. This must be done to prevent misunderstanding or disagreement later down the road.

The third step is the constitution which must be drafted with deep consultations, approval and imputes and strong approval across the board before final approval and consents by reps from every corner of Yorubaland.

Setting up a strong lobbying committee to fan across the globe to lobby relevant nations and world organizations for support and guidance.

The 4th step should be setting a date for formal notification locally and internationally.


What we should never do is what ibo people are doing and have been doing like making noise all over the place without planning, without sane and rational thoughts, lack of consultations within their own communities, aimless and clueless leadership unable to guide the hopes and desires of their people, abusing and insulting friends and allies, including other communities outside their borders without consultations and so on. This is why they are not taken seriously and we shouldn't start off the same way they did, we are too smart, knowledgeable and refined to go down that comedic, nonserious and laughable road.


Secession is serious business with serious local and global implications.

This is actually a great first step. I would argue that physical meetings are not even necessary at the outset. I would argue we should have either Facebook or YouTube streaming of our meetings composed of a core group . Talking about the things we're talking about here. And once it picks up steam, we'll have a physical meeting (while also streaming it).

deomelo:



The first step is and should be consultations across Yorubaland to introduce the idea to Yoruba people across the board, gauge their feelings and reactions, collect imputes and solicit advice, consents and make sure we all on the same page before taking the next step which shouldn't even be a formal declaration of intent.


The second step is planning. We should assemble a strong planning committee consisting of students/young members of the society, business leaders, traditional rulers, political and elected officials, technocrats, constitutional lawyers, and minds, or team to formulate a road map and way forward, steps to be taken till formal declaration of intent, governing, establishment of a federal capital, iron our details from communal access and integration, justice system, policing and law enforcements, economic/trade and cultural policies, economic zones from industrials to agriculture, development goals, budgets and allocations, leadership and governing criteria and policies and other issues necessary for a successful and smooth take off.

There must be concrete approval and consents from representatives and planning members from every corner of Yorubaland before going to the next phase or step. This must be done to prevent misunderstanding or disagreement later down the road.

The third step is the constitution which must be drafted with deep consultations, approval and imputes and strong approval across the board before final approval and consents by reps from every corner of Yorubaland.

Setting up a strong lobbying committee to fan across the globe to lobby relevant nations and world organizations for support and guidance.

The 4th step should be setting a date for formal notification locally and internationally.


What we should never do is what ibo people are doing and have been doing like making noise all over the place without planning, without sane and rational thoughts, lack of consultations within their own communities, aimless and clueless leadership unable to guide the hopes and desires of their people, abusing and insulting friends and allies, including other communities outside their borders without consultations and so on. This is why they are not taken seriously and we shouldn't start off the same way they did, we are too smart, knowledgeable and refined to go down that comedic, nonserious and laughable road.


Secession is serious business with serious local and global implications.

Okay..I understand you there. However I would like to bring to your attention that there is no provision for a secession in the Nigerian constitution and doing so will translate to treason.

Or is there something I'm yet to grasp fully, if there is I would appreciate your pointing it out and explaining properly. Thanks

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MrMaestro:

Can someone answer this for me? We need to start putting this into action.

You asked a deep question that's perpetually, above board. However, let me clearly state here that there are different groups in Yoruba land and also in diaspora with ideology of actualising Odu'a nation's existence. These groups that have done tremendous work for the potential actualisation of Yoruba nation once the geographical local as it stand tilt toward balkanisation. The indisputable head of this actualisation of Yoruba nation is Rtd .General Akinrinade. The Yoruba bill of RIGHTS is with the UNITED NATIONS for years, so,it it is only a matter of time, for its realisation . The OP, is an entity that has been championing the cause of the actualisation of Odu'a nation for years as well as other groups but Yoruba cannot take on all the groups in Nigeria, until when few groups have issues as it stand now, which will make potential realisation of Odu'a nation possible. No group can be trusted by Yoruba based on the perception of the past event in the polity. It just as,one of the contributor, has hinted you, that sensitisation of the populace of Yoruba extraction, especially residing at Oke Oya and beyond are the ones that such might be the ones that need to be conscious of the situation . So, that they won't fall into the trap of irrational ideology of such balkanisation of this polity as a myriad. The hand writing is on the wall as it seems.

Odu'a land within this polity

MrMaestro:

Can someone answer this for me? We need to start putting this into action.

Certain issue cannot be express on this platform because of its complexity and X Factor? . However, the first step has been grossly achieved ,which is the Odu'a bill of rights to freedom, etc which is with the United Nations. The only step is proper preparation for such balkanisation to take place. War to be won isn't about having hundred thousands of soldiers that think with their butt but having the strategies to outwit one's enemy. Yoruba people are positioned in some Western countries but ENGLAND is an enemy of Yoruba nation. Yoruba owns the IT and from here things can be manipulated in many fold to the Odu'a people's advantage.

God bless Yoruba Race.

ooduapathfinder:
Thank you all for your contributions. Of couse, this will have to be sold and NOT enforced. And this particular debate is very encouraging. As to Edo/Delta, some of them participated in the making of this Draft and actually insisted on being included. Having said that, it is a question they will have to address and answer, even as we are cognizant of their geo-political location. Any interested organization or individual can make their formal submissions to "editor@ooduapathfinder.com". These will form part of the preparations towards further steps.
So, sirs/mas, in the meantime, let the debate continue.
Editor.

I see this as a joke because Delta will not be part of that Republic.

gbegemaster:
I see this as a joke because Delta will not be part of that Republic.

I know the full thread is probably too long to go through, but if you take the time to look at least a little further, you'll see that this is precisely the consensus here! Most of us want none of the territorial disputes, minority issues or natural resource squabbling that would go with extending beyond undisputed Yoruba territory - not even to embrace Yoruba minorities in Edo, let alone further afield.

omohayek:

I know the full thread is probably too long to go through, but if you take the time to look at least a little further, you'll see that this is precisely the consensus here! Most of us want none of the territorial disputes, minority issues or natural resource squabbling that would go with extending beyond undisputed Yoruba territory - not even to embrace Yoruba minorities in Edo, let alone further afield.

Thank you jare. We dont need any minority tribe in our midst.
Let them go.
This is for only Yorubas and Yorubas alone.

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omohayek:

I know the full thread is probably too long to go through, but if you take the time to look at least a little further, you'll see that this is precisely the consensus here! Most of us want none of the territorial disputes, minority issues or natural resource squabbling that would go with extending beyond undisputed Yoruba territory - not even to embrace Yoruba minorities in Edo, let alone further afield.

It won't even be a problem for the Yoruba minorities anywhere they are. If they want to relocate back to Yoruba land. There should be provision for such land spaces /territories that need be allotted to them. After all, there are millions in diaspora. And these people may want to invest or relocate back if the economy is favourable in the like manner some Atlantic/New world slave returnees settled down in Lagos State. So, if Yoruba in the Delta region want to be part of Odu'a nation, then they must be considered for relocation if need be.

Olu317:
It won't even be a problem for the Yoruba minorities anywhere they are. If they want to relocate back to Yoruba land. There should be provision for such land spaces /territories that need be allotted to them. After all, there are millions in diaspora. And these people may want to invest or relocate back if the economy is favourable in the like manner some Atlantic/New world slave returnees settled down in Lagos State. So, if Yoruba in the Delta region want to be part of Odu'a nation, then they must be considered for relocation if need be.

Not a bad idea but why should they have to relocate when referendum can be done and maps can be redrawn from it?

I do not trust Nairaland. This wonderful thread can be deleted at any time.
I suggest All the posts on this thread need to be archived asap!!!

omohayek:

I know the full thread is probably too long to go through, but if you take the time to look at least a little further, you'll see that this is precisely the consensus here! Most of us want none of the territorial disputes, minority issues or natural resource squabbling that would go with extending beyond undisputed Yoruba territory - not even to embrace Yoruba minorities in Edo, let alone further afield.

Truthfully, all I was interested is the comment of the person I replied. I'm not generally interested in the consensus.

Congrats to you guys in advance.

Obaluf0n:


Not a bad idea but why should they have to relocate when referendum can be done and maps can be redrawn from it?

Relocation is an option. And as you know, Olukumi is locked within a different group of people entirely. And who knows, they might want to be part of Yoruba nation for economic reason and ethnicity purpose. How do you think such map can be redrawn considering the location where they are located? The Yoruba people within Akoko Edo too might want such, but will it be easy, considering the perception of how the Edos will see it ? I just gave an insight to this because every thing is possible if the larger Yoruba nation emerges. Who knows how the uneasily connected Yoruba group might be maltreated in their new to be nation? ...

Olu317:
It won't even be a problem for the Yoruba minorities anywhere they are. If they want to relocate back to Yoruba land. There should be provision for such land spaces /territories that need be allotted to them. After all, there are millions in diaspora. And these people may want to invest or relocate back if the economy is favourable in the like manner some Atlantic/New world slave returnees settled down in Lagos State. So, if Yoruba in the Delta region want to be part of Odu'a nation, then they must be considered for relocation if need be.

No sir, i dont agree. Even if the minorities want to join, we should not allow. They will hold our progress. Instead of us to focus on our development, we will trying to please the minorities so they wont cry marginalization.
Let the minorities stay on their own.

Deedeedee3:

No sir, i dont agree. Even if the minorities want to join, we should not allow. They will hold our progress. Instead of us to focus on our development, we will trying to please the minorities so they wont cry marginalization.
Let the minorities stay on their own.

We have to be considerate about all our people irrespective their location as long as they are willing to be part of us. It isn't about minorities but about Yoruba people in another location that's not within the homogeneous sphere of Yoruba nation. They have the same right as you and I.

Olu317:
We have to be considerate about all our people irrespective their location as long as they are willing to be part of us. It isn't about minorities but about Yoruba people in another location that's not within the homogeneous sphere of Yoruba nation. They have the same right as you and I.

Ok now i get you. I thought you were talking about minorities joining us. But there is none in delta state, is there?