realjoker:
Jebba is 100% Yoruba ancient city, its ownership is not under contention, It border the Nupes who has a cordial relationship with the people of jebba and Yorubas in general predating colonial era.

If it is a Yoruba town 100%, how come it had the name "Jebba". Do you mind explaining its etymology?

mykl01:
It seems to me that the Nigerian map is gradually being redrawn.

The person that drew it was actually high on gegemu, how can he classify Kogi, benue and Kwara as north central. If we are to go by that map, we should be having South central then and not North central.
Just go through the map and see for yourself.

aolawale025:
Those are the issues a proper restructuring would address. An okun is ethnically yoruba but he is classified as a northerner. So he's neither here nor there in terms of benefits.

Why don't you ask the okuns before talking, they renounce Yoruba membership since & prefer being call okun.Why do they want to be with us now? mtcheeeeeeew!

realjoker:
Jebba is 100% Yoruba ancient city, its ownership is not under contention, It border the Nupes who has a cordial relationship with the people of jebba and Yorubas in general predating colonial era.

If it is a Yoruba town 100%, how come it had the name "Jebba". Do you mind explaining its etymology?

Zoolezoo:


Na lie.
Igbos sabotaged Anioma state creation and decided to go for the creation of Ebonyi state in the SE instead.lol
You can't ie to us.

Besides an Anioma state was not supposed to be in the Political south but rather, added to the SE as an additional state.

There was a mix up with some group saying they wanted another state from the east and some business mogul felt they would lose thier business to political uncertainty.( Remember Onitsha main market is amongst the biggest in West Africa). Others in the East felt igbos will have genuine tentacles into the Niger Delta region with that creation of Anioma.

Know that Anioma state is one the oldest states agitated but never created preceding even Midwest state.

So there was no lie anywhere. So it's a matter of economic expediency .

Viergeachar:


Wow.
Why have they given up?
Always thought Anioma is the Igbo agenda for a 6th state in the SE.
That formed part of the core Igbo agitation at the last national conference.

They haven't really given up, agitation died during GEJ's regime. And the present governor of Delta state coming from that region thaws the yearnings for now

Markfemi2:


We are not hearing enough noise from them compared to Yorubas in central

I have never read of any agitation except this. Anioma state is the oldest requested state in Nigeria, dating back before the creation of Midwest state.

Zoolezoo:


I can say the same about Nupe that is not even a "super tribe" and conclude that the Dibos are not nupe, the Kakandas are not Nupe, Kupas aren't Nupe as well, Gupa, etc. Because all these groups have their different peculiarities.
So you see.

I agree with your assertion. But the question is why are Yoruba sub-groups always added to the Yoruba nation, but that of the Nupes is being deliberately relegated, from the colonial daysdays to this present day?

AbakalikiPress:


Are you SICK in the head or something?
The Yorubas in your so called FAKE north have Nothing to do with you leeches!

What business does Abiodun James Faleke or Ilesanmi Toluhi from Akinrin Adde or Ayetoro Gbedde have with Abdulkadir Tanko Babagana from Daura or Funtua.

Mr man, borrow small sense abeg.

Lol... Don't even know what to say to you. Since your shallow brain has jumped in to conclusion of where I am from.

TerrorSquad:
But some Afonjas said that our Igbo brothers across River Niger and Rivers state are not Igbo but SS. Thunda fire this Okun people, they are northerners nothing else

Back2Sender!
Thunder will fire your entire generation.
Useless hegoat....

Trottle:


Update:
Jebba is in Moro LGA. Yoruba is not the only language the speak. The perspective I'm coming from is that Jebba is traditionally a Nupe town. Obviously, the world is becoming very diverse, and Jebba is not ab exception.

Lol.. Seems like you have soften your stance now. Jebba is an ancient Yoruba town.

Markfemi2:


Sigh

Ilorin loss is different from Fulani expansion
Before Fulani captured ilorin
They had already waged war against today's north east oyo empire and even Benin
Ilorin loss was another battle entirely

Please don't cofuse us. I was referring to the Yoruba-Kanuri coalition, but you are stating another thing entirely. Please address my questions regarding your assertion of the "coalition" between the Yorubas and the Kaburis agianst the Fulanis. Please visit that post again and re-read the questions and your assertion. Thanks.

Double post

realjoker:
Lol.. Seems like you have soften your stance now. Jebba is an ancient Yoruba town.

My stance remain the same, but you should understand the perspective that I'm coming from. Jebba is not a Yoruba town historically. If it is, please explain the etymology of the name "Jebba". Thanks.

Trottle:


Sir you need to a crash course in history.

Send your email, and I would send you a very detailed source. It is a book published in 1942. The forward was written by Lugard himself. It is almost 500 pages. Once you are through with it, I would send other reaources to you. But for now we are done with this argument. If you need additonal material, notify me.

Lol. Forward all the books to me.

realjoker:
Lol. Forward all the books to me. Princelawalahmed@yahoo.com

I would, you too forward yours.

The man in this pic is truly a legend.

Trottle:


I agree with your assertion. But the question is why are Yoruba sub-groups always added to the Yoruba nation, but that of the Nupes is being deliberately relegated, from the colonial daysdays to this present day?

Who is separating them?

look at the Bassa Nges for example, their territory is not contiguous with the rest of nupeland.
the Kakandas too are quite far off from kin Nupe and the only access they have is a river link to Baro from where there they actually migrated downstream, nothing more.

All the other groups are known to outsiders as Nupe only. Only Nupe people actually even know that they usually separate themselves.
Certainly not the fault of the outsiders.

Trottle:


If it is a Yoruba town 100%, how come it had the name "Jebba". Do you mind explaining its etymology?

Pls tell us the meaning of Ede, yagba, Omu Aran, ekiti

Trottle:


My stance remain the same, but you should understand the perspective that I'm coming from. Jebba is not a Yoruba town historically. If it is, please explain the etymology of the name "Jebba". Thanks.

Well your stance doesn't change tbt fact jebba has an oba lol

Fearlez:


They haven't really given up, agitation died during GEJ's regime. And the present governor of Delta state coming from that region thaws the yearnings for now

The truth is that there has never been any agitation by SS 'Igbos' for Anioma state to be added to the SE.
That's because they (most of them) are not Igbos.
It has always been the SE Igbo agenda.

The other Delta ethnic groups will gladly have the SS Igbos out of their way anytime anyday. Tells you Delta Igbos themselves dont want to belong to the SE.
Same with other SS 'Igbos'

Trottle:



The "Oba" is an invention which is a century old or less, and it is closely linked with the anti-Nupe colonial master Frederick Lugard and the capitalist Goldie of the Royal Niger Company. Though, other machinations are involved.

No no no, the Obaship institution in Jebba does not have anything to do with Lugard.
The first Oba Debola Adebara ruled in the mid 1800's whereas Lugard only got to Nigeria in 1912.

So you see the delinkage.

Markfemi2:


Well your stance doesn't change tbt fact jebba has an oba lol

You are bereft of any point please retire from this discourse.

Trottle:


You've just shot yourself with a Double-barrel gun I aksed you about the Kanuri-Yoruba coalition. But you are referring to the Alimi-Afonja historical saga.

Please refer back to the earlier discourse, and answer the questions posed there.

Like i earlier stated
1, Jebba is 100% Yoruba ancient city
2, its ownership is not under contention, rather jebba North is under contention, which is now dominated by Nupes on the northern side of River Niger ceded to Niger state after IBB regime border readjustment policy that based Kwara state and Niger state borderline on river Niger.
3, The two states government are working towards reaching amicable compromise on Jebba north ownership, part of the resolution is Kwara state being recognized as hydro electric power state. Note: Jebba hydroelectric dam is in Jebba North ceded to Niger state.
4, Nupes people and people of jebba and Yorubas in general has a cordial relationship predating colonial era and never fought any major war with each other. Till date Nupe and Yoruba still sees each others as brothers forget about the dirty politics currently going on in Nigeria.

Trottle:


You are bereft of any point please retire from this discourse.

Show us evidence nupe founded Jebba - no shoe
Show us evidence of old nupe kings you no show
Pls you just wasted your energy

Guseh:


The person that drew it was actually high on gegemu, how can he classify Kogi, benue and Kwara as north central. If we are to go by that map, we should be having South central then and not North central.
Just go through the map and see for yourself.

They are called north central because they are part and parcel of the defunct northern protectorate,

AworiLagosian:


No no no, the Obaship institution in Jebba does not have anything to do with Lugard.
The first Oba Debola Adebara ruled in the mid 1800's whereas Lugard only got to Nigeria in 1912.

So you see the delinkage.

I said this throttle has been spitting super story up and down

AworiLagosian:


No no no, the Obaship institution in Jebba does not have anything to do with Lugard.
The first Oba Debola Adebara ruled in the mid 1800's whereas Lugard only got to Nigeria in 1912.

So you see the delinkage.

"Other machinations involved" (Britain, UAC, etc) these ones were present and have been trading and exploring far earlier than that.

Gowever, observe the discourse from this angle. Jebba has been existing pre 1864 right? The question therefore is that; was there no form of rulership?

Viergeachar:


The truth is that there has never been any agitation by SS 'Igbos' for Anioma state to be added to the SE.

And yet , they (Delta Igbos) proposed Anioma state with Onitsha in the East as the headquarters!!

Viergeachar:


That's because they (most of them) are not Igbos.
It has always been the SE Igbo agenda.

Aniocha North, Oshimili South, Ndokwa, IKa, Agbor, Ibuso (Igbo Di n'uzo) Aniocha South, Oshimili North, Asaba (Ahaba) Obulukwu, Iselleuku, Ogwashiukwu, Onicha-Olona , Onicha-Ukwu, Onicha-Ugbo, etc. Majority aren't igbos and all their towns and villages are Igbo by name and they are igbo-speaking.

Oh, boy the argument is old but Anioma doesn't belong to any other tribe in Nigeria's archives or gazette other than Igbo.

Viergeachar:


The other Delta ethnic groups will gladly have the SS Igbos out of their way anytime anyday.

you gave yourself away as an urhobo here. Abeg, which other ethnic groups in delta are you referring to? You're trying to deceive people as if the other tribes in delta are so united and speak with one voice! Do itsekiris want you? Do ijaw want you? Delta igbos have been the bridge bridging the tribal madness in delta state hence itsekiri supported the capital to be in Asaba.

Viergeachar:

Tells you Delta Igbos themselves dont want to belong to the SE.
Same with other SS 'Igbos'

Again, answer the question, why did the federal troop carry out the Asaba genocide during the civil war if they aren't Biafra?

luluman:
Why don't you ask the okuns before talking, they renounce Yoruba membership since & prefer being call okun.Why do they want to be with us now? mtcheeeeeeew!

stop peddling half truths. okun feel more Yoruba than an average Osun man, tell them they are not Yoruba and see what their response is. Which is why I do kick against Markfemi2 creating all these unnecessary threads litter all over nairaland, an average okun, kwarans (be it Yoruba, Nupe, bariba) don't need a referendum to tell you where they belongs, they are not suffering an identity crisis, they know what they are, who they are and what they want.

Markfemi2:


Show us evidence nupe founded Jebba - no shoe
Show us evidence of old nupe kings you no show
Pls you just wasted your energy

I would get you the evidence of the Nupes of the old. I would give you additional sources on how the Nupes founded Jebba.

While I'm on it, you too should start digging up facts about;
1. The Kanuri-Yoruba coalition against the Fulanis
2. The etymology of the word "Jebba"
3. Provide Mungo Park's book that predates Lugard's
Do that.