Markfemi2:

Why as your narrative suddenly changed Mumu

Hizzy:
na your popsy tell u that or na u tell ur self dat

luluman:
Why has stand alone decided to be stand with them? we don't want una.

AshiwajuFoward:


Smh. Guy, is that how much you hate the Okuns?? I wanna believe that you don't have comprehension problem, coz this thread is about the umbrella Okun socio-cultural group saying that they want exactly what you are saying is too late for them. Dude, you're not even one of them, yet you're talking crap like you know what's best for them. Na wah for you o.

You even derided them earlier by calling their part of the state underdeveloped, yet you don't want them to reunite with their brothers in other to better their lot. So obviously you enjoy their second-class and underdeveloped status so that you people can continue to marginalize them. But guess what? You are a joker. You don already fail coz they will be reunited with their kith and kin, and you will be alive to witness it. #Real talk. #Enemy of progress.

realjoker:
lols , 95% of Delta state oil and gas output are from shallow water and offshore oil fields. You and I know Ijaw, itshekiri, Urhobo/Isoko are the people who owns this areas.

Explain the bolded part

On the italic: Even the last confab report suggests that creation of new state should be subjected to its economic viability, so stop rambling, I am against creating additional parasitic state.


In general, you are the one shifting goal posts. You answered my first question by asking me a question.

realjoker:


lols , 95% of Delta state oil and gas output are from shallow water and offshore oil fields. You and I know Ijaw, itshekiri, Urhobo/Isoko are the people who owns this areas.

realjoker:

Explain the bolded part

On the italic: Even the last confab report suggests that creation of new state should be subjected to its economic viability, so stop rambling, I am against creating additional parasitic state.


In general, you are the one shifting goal posts. You answered my first question by asking me a question.

Fearlez:
I said: Ndokwa is the only community is Delta state that has onshore oil. How does that translate into the diversionary comment you made up there? You obviously thrive in idle argument that has no tail or head. How did your spring up itsekiri, ijaw and others having 95% of shallow water oil? Was that in dispute? Who brought them in?
When you lost, you look for uncorrelated points to steer the debate into other areas
Why are you so insecure with the prospect of Anioma state?
Your argument has no foundation as it is embarrassingly lacking in a central focal point.

After being rounded up with Anioma endorsing its own state with Onitsha, you are now shifting to how you don't want parasitic states to be created. You're writing the rules of engagement in an ongoing battle

The point has been passed: Anioma, delta igbos have proposed a state to be merged with thier Kith and kin in Onitsha east of the Niger before Delta state was created.

This logically hollow attempt at looking for points like a drowning man grasping for straws just to appear whole is a waste of keyboard strokes and not worth the data that conveys them.

The end!

Trottle:


Let' start using other using other resouces apart from aby encyclopedia. You can see what I'm saying, the Adebara dynasty startedstarted in the late 18th century, while Jebba has been existing before that. Before I forget, please is Jebba a Yoruba word? (Prove that with all you've got). If it is not, from what language was the word derived?

Jebba is a yoruba word. It's derived from "Je-Eba" which mean "eat eba", the people there like Eba!

Demmzy15:
Jebba is a yoruba word. It's derived from "Je-Eba" which mean "eat eba", the people there like Eba!

Demmzy15:
Jebba is a yoruba word. It's derived from "Je-Eba" which mean "eat eba", the people there like Eba!

9jakool:

I also agree that Lokoja is an Oworo town, especially judging by how it's mainly sorrounded by other Oworo settlements. Lokoja is surrounded to the North and West by Oworo people and to the East by the Niger river. The only border that's neither an Oworo nor a geographical border is the Southern border which is Ebira.


The Igala claim to the Lokoja is futile as the Igala actually largely settled on the Eastern bank of the Niger. The closest areas to Lokoja across the Niger is occupied by Bassa-komo, Bassa-Nge, and Ebira Koto peoples in Bassa lga, which is the local government area directly east of Lokoja. There are no Igala lgas that border Lokoja lga at all.

I think the weakest claim to the city is the one by Hausas. The obvious reason is because Hausaland in Nigeria is limited to the core north and Lokoja does not form a contiguous border with Hausaland. Also the name Lokoja phonetically is odd in Hausa. In the Hausa language, the open "O" found in LOkOja is absent in Hausa language; the "O" in Hausa is more closed and similar to the "O" in Ocean.

Anyways, I believe the Okun can stand alone as a state. The population of Okunland in Kogi state as of now should be between 1-1.5 million. If you also include Okun(Yagba) towns in Kwara like Eruku and Koro as well as other Okun towns in Northeastern Ekiti state like Aiyede, Itapaji, etc and I think(i don't know) to an extent to the border parts of Akoko Ondo; then an inclusive Okun state can have a population that approaches 2 million. I think this is enough for a state. Size is also not a problem because as of now, the Okunland in Kogi alone is larger than Ekiti state and it's comparable in size to Osun state and that's not including the Okun territories outside of Kogi.

MetaPhysical:


Hausa was never indigenous to Lokoja. Hausas were refugees in Lokoja. The deposed Sarkis and Barons in Hausaland were driven South to the river basins by their Fulani conquerors. When British came to colonize they met resistance with the Fulani Emirs. They in turn were deposed and driven South to a refuge area in the basin and under the watchful eyes of the colonial administrators.

Lokoja was a tributary of Old Oyo. Old Oyo fell much after the first wave of deposed rulers sent Southward. So Hausa were guests and subjects under Yoruba dominion in Lokoja. By the time of the British establishment, Old Oyo had fell to Fulani. Our hold on Lokoja were not as resolute as before. After the second deposition and Fulani Emirs joined their Hausa kins in Lokoja Islam grew and overtook the city further cutting back Yoruba hold.

During successive military rule North consolidated their hold on Lokoja and brought in new settlements to dilute the Yoruba enclaves. We lost three important cities to the political North, Ilorin, Katunga and Lokoja. Ilorin and Katunga through war, Lokoja through our own self doing. Till today, the Yoruba ruler, Olu of Oworo is independent and does not pay homage to the Hausa ruler in Lokoja.

We are very prodigal and careless politically. Omoluabi has dwindled away our fortunes.

If I may add, river basins are naturally blessed for agriculture and commerce. Lokoja is a prime location, even moreso than Ilorin...but we failed to see the worth. If we are not careful, in another 50 to 100 yrs we will be completely irrelevant in Lokoja culture and politics.

9jakool:

I've seen some claim, especially online.

What do you think the capital of a proposed Okun state should be? Kabba? Lokoja?

M3Guy:
lolz...keyboard warriors
Be waiting for biafrans to clear road for u people b4 u make move.Wonder why u guys are scared of abokiss

funmi4love:
yessss ooooooo

almarthins:


Mid west jare. If u follow Nigerian news smtimes u will just miss some facts. I asked sm old men who know the geography well. And they confirmed kabba as part of Midwest. As for okun well God go help dem o!

AshiwajuFoward:


Smh. Guy, is that how much you hate the Okuns?? I wanna believe that you don't have comprehension problem, coz this thread is about the umbrella Okun socio-cultural group saying that they want exactly what you are saying is too late for them. Dude, you're not even one of them, yet you're talking crap like you know what's best for them. Na wah for you o.

You even derided them earlier by calling their part of the state underdeveloped, yet you don't want them to reunite with their brothers in other to better their lot. So obviously you enjoy their second-class and underdeveloped status so that you people can continue to marginalize them. But guess what? You are a joker. You don already fail coz they will be reunited with their kith and kin, and you will be alive to witness it. #Real talk. #Enemy of progress.

Kratos3364:
. Mr Adeleye calm down.

Guseh:

Back2Sender! Thunder will fire your entire generation. Useless hegoat....

Omofunaab2:
Lugard must have been high on osogbo weed for him to have added okun people to the north

Nowenuse:


The Maigari of Lokoja is subject to the Etsu Nupe Bida. He is more of a Nupe king in a Nupe speaking settlement than he is Hausa.

dee02:


I am calm.
I apologise to everyone... it's not me.

Nowenuse:


The Maigari of Lokoja is subject to the Etsu Nupe Bida. He is more of a Nupe king in a Nupe speaking settlement than he is Hausa.

Nowenuse:


No pls. Kabba was never part of the south. It has always been part of the Northern protectorate/region since British colonial masters came.

The Bida emirate made the colonial masters believe that they had already annexed Okunland and it was already in their control, when this was partially true. Yes the Nupe jihadists kept on raiding Okun land, but they never fully captured it.

Nowenuse:


Igalas never lay claim to Lokoja. They have no land boundary with the city whatsoever.
Yeah we know now that Lokoja is not Igala, an actual Igala has confirmed this. As for the bolded, I've already said it.

How come you did not talk about the Kakanda, Kupa and other Nupe speakers of Lokoja?
Hausas can only lay claim to Lokoja through the Nupes (Kakanda). The Maigari of Lokoja is a subject of the Etsu Nupe.

Nowenuse:


It cannot be Lokoja because the Ebira koto, Kakanda and Bassa indigenes of Lokoja LGA will not join Okun state.

9jakool:


Oh YES it could be Lokoja. If you have taken anything from this thread, you would know that many Yorubas want a homogenous Okun State. No need to fret. Ok? Like you said, those ethnic groups cannot join and the Okun don't want them to join either. The Yoruba parts of Lokoja will be ceded to Okun state. Not a single Okun territory will be left behind in creation of an Okun state.

MayorofLagos:


People will loose territories if they lean too muvh on their sub culture, because they will have no strong political cause to sponsor and support their drive.

Oworo is Yoruba. In a struggle for Lokoja Yoruba will carry Oworo's interest along.

This Kakanda and Bassa, what ethnic groups are they sub to?