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Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 9:56am On Jul 12, 2017 |
felixomor:Atheism is contrasted with THEISM, as the name implies, not DEISM. A person like Richard Dawkins is armed against theists but philosophically ill-equiped against a deist. He has no weapons with which to fight. Deists will kill off his arguments in poofs of smoke. Stop pitting atheism against deism, and stop hiding under the umbrella of deism. YOU are not a deist. Argue for theism. By the way, I'm BOTH an atheist and a WEAK/IMPLICIT adeist. 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by felixomor: 9:59am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: "Atheos" (greek meaning No God or without God) Simple enough for the simple to understand. No need for extras. Thanks You are either an atheist or you are not. And for the records, theists with even little knowledge of science have humiliated Dawkins in debates. 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 10:00am On Jul 12, 2017 |
dalaman: Yes you are right but that is you are right within your fleshly perception. You can argue all day if you wish but you will always be right because that is what you perceive and I wouldn't blame you for that. I would simply blame your handicap. Not all perceptions are evidence based and I already showed this to Jack. Anyone who is of a higher scope of perception beyond the physical shouldn't blame you and neither should you blame them for your limitation. They cannot communicate sensibly with you due to your handicap. You alone can help yourself. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by felixomor: 10:00am On Jul 12, 2017 |
JackBizzle: God bless u too my brother.... It is well well with your soul In Jesus name, amen. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:02am On Jul 12, 2017 |
felixomor:I beg your pardon? Read my post again, please. You don't get the point. 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by felixomor: 10:05am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie:I got it very well.... My own message was For those who are trying to stylishly renounce atheism.... They know themselves. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by dalaman: 10:05am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular: You are making claims that aren't based on evidence or logic and you are talking about sensible communication? The spiritual is anchored on the illogic because anything can be asserted when it comes to the spritual. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by realtem(m): 10:07am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular:yes your description doesn't make anything exist. But to prove to yourself or anyone else that something exists. You have to touch it's nature. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 10:08am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: How on earth can you be an outright atheist and a deist at the same time? Atheism is absolute and so is Deism. You cannot have both. Saying you are a weak and implicit adeist is simply ludicrous. Hi my favourite past time how are you doing today? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 10:09am On Jul 12, 2017 |
dalaman: Again you are right based on your perception. Your perception does not permit sensible communication. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:10am On Jul 12, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:I get your point. There IS a first cause or a first set of causes. Full stop. Logic demands it. It must be true. Good. But that's where it ALL STOPS. Going any further than that is nothing but speculations. And I COMPLETELY and PERMANENTLY reject the Abrahamic God. I RULE HIM out. He's impossible. He's a non-existent paradox, torn apart by its own internal contradictions. He's an incoherent concept. 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 10:10am On Jul 12, 2017 |
realtem: That's why I said we are limited by our perception. Our perception is based on scepticism that's all it is. Everything man has ever attached properties to have been DISCOVERIES of things ALREADY IN EXISTENCE. Go figure! 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by felixomor: 10:11am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular:@ bolded Thanks very much, for resounding that. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by dalaman: 10:11am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular: How can a communication be sensible when you are supporting something that can not be precived by the senses? |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:11am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular:I think there was a reason why I didn't mention you b!tch? Can you kindly remind me? |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:14am On Jul 12, 2017 |
felixomor:Eya. Sorry. Comprehension problems. It is well. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 10:14am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: Because you are my favourite past time |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by felixomor: 10:16am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: Exactly the problem you demonstrated when you combined atheism and deism into one person when both are absolutes.... Look inwards brah |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 10:16am On Jul 12, 2017 |
dalaman: Are your senses all there truly is of you? If your answer is yes then I guess clairvoyance is also nonsense. You are limited and I respect that but do not expect me to make sense to you because I simply cannot. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 10:17am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: of course! There's no reason to be an adherent of the Abrahamic god IMO. An unsubstantiated, invisible, all knowing, all powerful, supernatural creator judge, that refuses to reveal itself, leaves no evidence, and is petty enough to eternally punish those that were unconvinced ... is a pretty outrageous claim. I'm going to need more than some old books that can best summed as "trust me" to buy into that claim. Why would you believe such a thing is a better question than why wouldn't you. Especially considering there's no shortage of old books, all with different stories, that all rely on "trust me" as their basis. But whatever, each to their own I suppose. 2 Likes |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:17am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular:You carry my moniker in your soul. It's a delight knowing that I have a fan. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 10:24am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: Yes you have a fan. In your deluded imagination yes you do. 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:24am On Jul 12, 2017 |
felixomor:I just told you that accepting that the universe has certain, prexisting foundations is not equivalent to deism. Why should your skull have greater mass than your brain? It's too thick, and preventing worthwhile things from gaining entrance. Deism conjures up A supreme being, which I disagree with! And I just told you that I'm both an atheist AND an adeist. Did the Deist God create the universe out of absolute nothingness or prexisting raw material? Why is no one answering this question? |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by felixomor: 10:26am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: Buttressing misinformation and ignorance. You are an atheist. Period. No more, no less.... |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:27am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular:Says the married agbaya obsessed with a "tyager" in cyberspace. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 10:28am On Jul 12, 2017 |
Richirich713: I just saw this now you missed my point, Kalam doesn't have anything to do with omnipotence, infact you've tactically proved my point that you need another argument to buttress the failure of the Kalam which explains why even Craig had to put the ad hoc "omnipotence" to save the Kalam |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:28am On Jul 12, 2017 |
felixomor:Lolzzz. Should I call you a blockhead? Where did I deny being an atheist? |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 10:29am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: they can't 2 Likes |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 10:29am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: I like how you put out your thoughts on a coherent manner. However, I do not agree with some of it. There will always be a paradox of the first cause and infinite regress. You see, time as a concept goes infinitely both ways- the future goes on forever and the past will keep going further back. Just like how numbers can be infinite on both sides of the number line. There may not be a first cause but rather a cyclical recurring loop of creation and anti creation. This is science fiction but it really appeals to me. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 10:29am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: Don't flatter yourself! |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by CatfishBilly: 10:29am On Jul 12, 2017 |
So, is the first cause a result of some chain reactions that was outside of an "external" influence or some dude got same play doh and started creating shiiiiit? |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 10:31am On Jul 12, 2017 |
JackBizzle: So now it's science fiction and no longer pure scientific proof? Jack oh Jack! And there was Mr Dalaman talking to me about physical perception. I think he also needs to talk to you about it Jack or is science fiction also physical perception or felt by the senses. |
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