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Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by CatfishBilly: 4:45pm On Jul 13, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
the Jew also said there are those alive then that won't die till he comes back, even told them to keep running when persecuted cuz he'll come fast and they won't run around too much before he's back

those guys are still alive today running all over Israel to escape persecution of Judaism and Islam, they're theoretically at least over 2027 years old right now, still waiting for that glorious return, running around for millennia
They'll soon come here and start shouting "context" and "holy Spirit" upandan. grin cheesy
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 4:47pm On Jul 13, 2017
CatfishBilly:
They'll soon come here and start shouting "context" and "holy Spirit" upandan. grin cheesy
those guys are still waiting for the TV that'll show Jesus
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 4:50pm On Jul 13, 2017
CatfishBilly:
Whatever, man.
Think deep and think wide. Or does that ability not apply to you?
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 4:54pm On Jul 13, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
those guys are still waiting for the TV that'll show Jesus
Communication has evolved over the years. It began with horse riding messengers then moved on to other forms of WRITTEN message before visual accompaniments were invented. All in all they serve one purpose and that is communication be it audio or visual. So you think telecommunications would be extinct at that time or even much better than it is now?
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 4:58pm On Jul 13, 2017
spacetacular:
Communication has evolved over the years. It began with horse riding messengers then moved on to other forms of WRITTEN message before visual accompaniments were invented. All in all they serve one purpose and that is communication be it audio or visual. So you think telecommunications would be extinct at that time or even much better than it is now?
nah, the post was based on another point entirely
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 5:00pm On Jul 13, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
nah, the post was based on another point entirely
I know what it was based on so I asked a question. Answer it!
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 5:01pm On Jul 13, 2017
spacetacular:
I know what it was based on so I asked a question. Answer it!
answer what? why many of those guys your Jew was talking to are still alive today running around israel?
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 5:03pm On Jul 13, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
answer what? why many of those guys your Jew was talking to are still alive today running around israel?
Telecoms extinct or better improved.
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 5:06pm On Jul 13, 2017
Harmful bubbles from the dirty river of lies and dishonesty floating about this thread..... shocked

How many can I dodge? How many can I burst?
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 5:08pm On Jul 13, 2017
spacetacular:
Telecoms extinct or better improved.
so those guys running around for millennia are waiting for that "improvement" so they can stop runninghuh
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 5:12pm On Jul 13, 2017
Those play things who see and call comments I made lies should do a double take on their atheistic forays and the comments attached to them. Their thought processes which challenge the existence of God or the scriptures are never seen as lies but everyone who challenges their thought process is seen as a liar.

Talk about a lack of covert self-esteem! cheesy
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 5:14pm On Jul 13, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
so those guys running around for millennia are waiting for that "improvement" so they can stop runninghuh
Stop deliberately confusing yourself. I asked a simple question.
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by CatfishBilly: 5:14pm On Jul 13, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
those guys are still waiting for the TV that'll show Jesus
Savage cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 5:15pm On Jul 13, 2017
spacetacular:
[s]Those play things who see and call comments I made lies should do a double take on their atheistic forays and the comments attached to them. Their thought processes which challenge the existence of God or the scriptures are never seen as lies but everyone who challenges their thought process is seen as a liar.

Talk about a lack of covert self-esteem! cheesy[/s]
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 5:18pm On Jul 13, 2017
[s][quote author=TLuzzie post=58421988]Harmful bubbles from the dirty river of lies and dishonesty floating about this thread..... shocked

How many can I dodge? How many can I burst? [/quote[/s]]

They couldn't stay away from clicking on my comment. Talk about double standards after they said they would never ever do so again. Yet they called my comments lies. I guess not living up to what they said was truth. cheesy
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 5:27pm On Jul 13, 2017
spacetacular:
[s]They couldn't stay away from clicking on my comment. Talk about double standards after they said they would never ever do so again. Yet they called my comments lies. I guess not living up to what they said was truth. cheesy[/s]
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 5:30pm On Jul 13, 2017
[quote author=TLuzzie post=58422681][/quote]Third times a charm! Let's see if they would be up to it. Those liars in camouflage! cheesy
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 5:32pm On Jul 13, 2017
I wish I got to this thread earlier. Its true, the Christians love to use deism to back up their arguments. These same Christians would call me insane if I told them a Yoruba speaking donkey is the only reason why Amadioha has not killed them. (See Numbers 22: 21-39) There's is no logical basis for most of the tales in the bible, it's even fun to rip them apart. I'm fully convinced that the bible is just a collection of stories of men who needed to ascribe their own moral code to some superior being. Because they needed to feel some sort of authority over them.



For the record I call myself a deist but recently I find myself drifting towards panentheism and pantheism. God is nothing more than an abstract concept for things like the cause of the beginning of the earth, the cause of our consciousness - the cause for life. 'Life force' in essence is God to me. I speak out against religion because its everywhere. At my work place for example I was invited to one stupid fellowship by my boss. I had to go just to please him. Because he wouldn't fucking let me go. It felt like I was being force fed cold oatmeal. Grown adults jumping up and down in reverence to some sky daddy that is concentrated particularly on this insignificant planet. And there is NO PROOF, except that the white man told them it exists and everything they recorded happened. You shouldn't have to make bogus claims and then try to twist logic and science until you find 'proof' for them. It should be the other way round, that is, making claims based on your already existing findings.
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 5:34pm On Jul 13, 2017
spacetacular:
[s]Third times a charm! Let's see if they would be up to it. Those liars in camouflage! cheesy[/s]
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 5:35pm On Jul 13, 2017
AnonyNymous:
I wish I got to this thread earlier. Its true, the Christians love to use deism to back up their arguments. These same Christians would call me insane if I told them a Yoruba speaking donkey is the only reason why Amadioha has not killed them. (See Numbers 22: 21-39) There's is no logical basis for most of the tales in the bible, it's even fun to rip them apart. I'm fully convinced that the bible is just a collection of stories of men who needed to ascribe their own moral code to some superior being. Because they needed to feel some sort of authority over them.



For the record I call myself a deist but recently I find myself drifting towards panentheism and pantheism. God is nothing more than an abstract concept for things like the cause of the beginning of the earth, the cause of our consciousness - the cause for life. 'Life force' in essence is God to me. I speak out against religion because its everywhere. At my work place for example I was invited to one stupid fellowship by my boss. I had to go just to please him. Because he wouldn't fucking let me go. It felt like I was being force fed cold oatmeal. Grown adults jumping up and down in reverence to some sky daddy that is concentrated particularly on this insignificant planet. And there is NO PROOF, except that the white man told them it exists and everything they recorded happened. You shouldn't have to make bogus claims and then try to twist logic and science until you find 'proof' for them. It should be the other way round, that is, making claims based on your already existing findings.
Hi boss. How've you been?
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 5:35pm On Jul 13, 2017
[quote author=TLuzzie post=58422924][/quote]As predicted! cheesy

They just lied thrice in a matter of minutes. Gosh!
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 5:38pm On Jul 13, 2017
spacetacular:
[s]As predicted! cheesy
They just lied thrice in a matter of minutes. Gosh! [/s]
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by ScepticalPyrrho: 5:41pm On Jul 13, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
lol

the hole-ly babble also said "all eyes would see Jesus" when he's coming back

*cough*Flat earth *cough*
Perhaps, humans in space stations or other planets will get access to a livestream... watch "the come back" on youtube... grin
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 5:42pm On Jul 13, 2017
AnonyNymous:
I wish I got to this thread earlier. Its true, the Christians love to use deism to back up their arguments. These same Christians would call me insane if I told them a Yoruba speaking donkey is the only reason why Amadioha has not killed them. (See Numbers 22: 21-39) There's is no logical basis for most of the tales in the bible, it's even fun to rip them apart. I'm fully convinced that the bible is just a collection of stories of men who needed to ascribe their own moral code to some superior being. Because they needed to feel some sort of authority over them.



For the record I call myself a deist but recently I find myself drifting towards panentheism and pantheism. God is nothing more than an abstract concept for things like the cause of the beginning of the earth, the cause of our consciousness - the cause for life. 'Life force' in essence is God to me. I speak out against religion because its everywhere. At my work place for example I was invited to one stupid fellowship by my boss. I had to go just to please him. Because he wouldn't fucking let me go. It felt like I was being force fed cold oatmeal. Grown adults jumping up and down in reverence to some sky daddy that is concentrated particularly on this insignificant planet. And there is NO PROOF, except that the white man told them it exists and everything they recorded happened. You shouldn't have to make bogus claims and then try to twist logic and science until you find 'proof' for them. It should be the other way round, that is, making claims based on your already existing findings.
Wrong on so many levels. Claims made on "existing findings" proves that the findings ALREADY existed before being found and claims made on them. Human skepticism is simply the cause needed for discoveries and those not mean that their discoveries made those things begin to exist. They already existed prior to discovery.

Was there no MATTER before properties were given to it at DISCOVERY?

was their no gravity before properties were given to it after OBSERVATION?

Is there anything which man has attached properties to which NEVER EXISTED prior to those properties being attached when man DISCOVERED THEM?

does discovery disprove prior existence or simply show the warped perception of man?

Ahem! So you live on a planet that is INSIGNIFICANT?
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 5:42pm On Jul 13, 2017
ScepticalPyrrho:
Perhaps, humans in space stations or other planets will get access to a livestream... watch "the come back" on youtube... grin
grin grin grin
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 5:46pm On Jul 13, 2017
ScepticalPyrrho:
Perhaps, humans in space stations or other planets will get access to a livestream... watch "the come back" on youtube... grin
Technology is obviously way ahead of your reasoning ability.

www.express.co.uk/news/science/784556/NASA-International-Space-Station-ISS-live-stream-watch-Earth-space/amp

That was published on the 9th of July. Get yourself updated.

So HUMANS are on other planets?

Wow! Just wow! cheesy
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 5:53pm On Jul 13, 2017
spacetacular:
Wrong on so many levels. Claims made on "existing findings" proves that the findings ALREADY existed before being found and claims made on them. Human skepticism is simply the cause needed for discoveries and those not mean that their discoveries made those things begin to exist. They already existed prior to discovery.

Was there no MATTER before properties were given to it at DISCOVERY?

was their no gravity before properties were given to it after OBSERVATION?

Is there anything which man has attached properties to which NEVER EXISTED prior to those properties being attached when man DISCOVERED THEM?

does discovery disprove prior existence or simply show the warped perception of man?

Ahem! So you live on a planet that is INSIGNIFICANT?
Maybe you misunderstood my post, hence the reason for all your incoherent rantings.

Make hypotheses from already existing data. That us logical, and that us what science does.

Instead religion makes random claims of what will/has happen/happened then after making the bogus claims, tries to form hypotheses on what could've happened. No verifiable, repeatable, prior supporting data.

And yes, this earth is very insignificant compared to the universe.
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 6:02pm On Jul 13, 2017
AnonyNymous:
Maybe you misunderstood my post, hence the reason for all your incoherent rantings.

Make hypotheses from already existing data. That us logical, and that us what science does.

Instead religion makes random claims of what will/has happen/happened then after making the bogus claims, tries to form hypotheses on what could've happened. No verifiable, repeatable, prior supporting data.

And yes, this earth is very insignificant compared to the universe.
You just said a boatload of nonsense!

I asked a question. Did those FINDINGS and CLAIMS made on the findings negate the PRIOR EXISTENCE of that which is claimed?

Is the data proof of the point of existence or it simply exposes the limitations in man's perception?

Science simply confirms Religion and that's it. We say God CREATED ALL THINGS FOR MAN so let me ask you a question.

How is it that EVERYTHING ALREADY EXISTING in nature is what man utilised to his gain? Is there anything OUTSIDE that which is already in existence in nature that man uses or has ever used?

How is it that somehow CONVENIENTLY we have already existing IN NATURE EVERYTHING man used to push advancement in technologically or scientifically to the place we are today? Again I ask DID MAN USE ANYTHING OUTSIDE THAT WHICH ALREADY EXISTED?
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 6:03pm On Jul 13, 2017
TLuzzie:
Hi boss. How've you been?
I'm good bro. Not really had time to really read through the posts in the religion section. But I trust you guys are dealing with the theists and their watery arguments grin
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 6:12pm On Jul 13, 2017
AnonyNymous:
I'm good bro. Not really had time to really read through the posts in the religion section. But I trust you guys are dealing with the theists and their watery arguments grin
Lol. Just doing nothing else but having fun, though. Take care.
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 6:12pm On Jul 13, 2017
spacetacular:
You just said a boatload of nonsense!

I asked a question. Did those FINDINGS and CLAIMS made on the findings negate the PRIOR EXISTENCE of that which is claimed?

Is the data proof of the point of existence or it simply exposes the limitations in man's perception?

Science simply confirms Religion and that's it. We say God CREATED ALL THINGS FOR MAN so let me ask you a question.

How is it that EVERYTHING ALREADY EXISTING in nature is what man utilised to his gain? Is there anything OUTSIDE that which is already in existence in nature that man uses or has ever used?

How is it that somehow CONVENIENTLY we have already existing IN NATURE EVERYTHING man used to push advancement in technologically or scientifically to the place we are today? Again I ask DID MAN USE ANYTHING OUTSIDE THAT WHICH ALREADY EXISTED?
I will repeat myself. In different terms. Science discovers things. And makes theories based on their logical discoveries. Which can be repeated by anyone, anywhere in the world. When a new theory happens to negate an old one it is because of a new understanding of the process going on.

Religion on the other hand claims the existence of talking donkeys without visible proof. Without any data to support that a talking donkey has ever existed except on book written by some guy somewhere. Then they make hypotheses or rather 'excuses' to try to justify how a talking donkey could've existed. The claim of talking donkeys wasn't made by building upon data if whispering donkeys or humming donkeys. It was just rabdinly made one day and then excuses wee provided for it. Its the same way natural phenomena are 'explained'. Random statements are made to explain the reason for natural phenomena. Random statements that have no basis in science. Then these random statements are now rationalized by putting hyoithese and theories together to make it seem like they make any sense.

Religion is the scientific method backwards
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f):
I guess the camouflage wearing atheists here just got rightly trounced by little me. It must suck to be tackled so hard by a lady and stay down.

Free thinkers my bum. cheesy

More like caged thinkers!
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