musicwriter:


Problem you people have is you take everything you read in the Bible literally unable to understand what you read. Just to answer you, what he was saying is like me saying "there's no Christian, Muslim, Nigerian, American" when it comes to Christ. What he's saying here is everybody is acceptable no matter your religion (Jew) or nationality (Greece).

Funny dude! FYI the religion practised by Jews is called judaism.

paulGrundy:




Funny dude! FYI the religion practised by Jews is called judaism.

This would be my last reply to you, since it seems every time you people talk about religion you switch-off your brain.

This's how it is.. ..... ....

Christian - someone practicing Christianity.
Jew- someone practicing judaism.
Muslim- someone practicing Islam.
Buddhist- someone practicing Bhudaism.
Hindu- someone practicing Hinduism.

Get it?

Again, to be a jew is not a nationality, it's a religious identity. If you claim otherwise, you have to explain to me why they're not called JEWINIAN, cause a person from Nigeria is called Nigerian. Canada = Canadian. Japan= Japanese. China= Chinese. Russia= Russian, e.t.c.

musicwriter:


Jeudaism is not a nationality!!. It's a religion!!.

Anybody can claim to be a Jew at the appropriate time to save their lives, if they find it pertinent. Here in Nigeria Nnamdi Kanu is a Jew. Is Nnamdi Kanu an Israeli citizen?

The notion of his father acquiring Roman citizenship for him is pure trash, and that shows you don't know what you're talking about. You can't be from Rome or even want to associate with the Roman empire, if you're were in Judea, Jerusalem and environ at that time in history. Rome was a colonial power occupying Jewish lands, oppressing the people and collecting taxes, just as Britain did here in Nigeria.

you are getting it all wrong. it is possible to be a roman and a jew at the same time.

like you pointes out, judaism is a religion even ethic roman can convert to judaism like everyone else. the ethiopian eunuch is an example.

but to answer your confusion more clearly, most jews are isrealites. not all isrealites at the time of joshua were hebrews or jews hence, isreal, the country, was not homogenous. they had other people living among them. they dis not kill everyone neither did they chase everyone out of the land as they were instructed by god. the country isreal only ceased to exist in 70ad when they were sacked by the romans. thats when that area became known as paleatine.

paul is isrealite from the tribe of benjamin and practiced judaism as a pharasee. christianity wasnt a religion like it is today.

today, the term jew does not just,mean someone who practices judaism, but also someone who is a son of jacob by ancestory. this means the words jew, isreali and hebrew are used interchangable

gameboyo:


The one with 2 general overseers and several court cases?

u dey vex o. hahahaha

Raptor15:
Who did you tell when you started the church at first? Who asked you why you left CE? Just because you are not hearing what you want to hear, or seeing what you want to see CE is now a bad church. Going to church is not by force those that are comfortable with what they are seeing there can stay those that hate it can leave no need for all these gossiping on social media.I believe when you wanted to leave nobody stopped you from leaving.

Even the 80% of people you are trying to tell why you left CE on Nairaland are senseless I wonder the advice they will give you. I haven't been to my own church regularly this year, though I don't agree with some things they do in my Church doesn't mean I should start gossiping when I leave. Trust me saying all these in social media will not make you better or more spiritual.

@Raptor YOU JUST NAILED IT.matter closed!

Tosinex:
Christ embassy? Tahh!! I left that social gathering since school days, more than 9 year's ago, when one of the lady executive of the fellowship came up to minister with the shape of her V-jay showing glaring to the crowd due to the tight fisted trouser she wore. I and my friends just concluded it was going to be our last time in any of their gathering. And I was really growing there to become a leader there, with my Jerry curl hair and suit, omo con see fine boy hahaha. Anyways op you are invited to join Agape Christian Assembly, am sure you will love it.

Sorry bros, but I want to believe you actually attended BLW Akure Zone G (FUTA)...quote me if I'm wrong oh. Once a 'belewu' always a 'belewu' lol. Only FUTA students can relate to this

Maestro21:


1. If a minister does not neglect his family, but they neglect him in return, what should he do?

2. What determines that a minister's home is excelling?

3. Did Jesus say anyone who does not fight with mother, father siblings, wife, husband for him is unworthy of him?

Answer to No. 1, The Bible explains how to deal with misunderstandings in Matt 18:15-17 he should try that with a bit of patience.

Answer to No. 2, Same thing that shows a good Christian, Character... If the family excels, the entirety of the neighborhood or community they live in would feel it as the family is the building block of the society.

Answer to No. 3, Does that mean that if you don not pick a fight with your family members, you are not at oneness with Jesus? I highly doubt that but it rather means that those who cause you to err his will when you serve him can not be at peace with you just as light and darkness do not sit on the same seat.

Note that in all of these peace is still key and one can live in peace with his family and yet serve God effectively.

It is only truth that Mr.Marchman said about CE and his leader. The truth hurts.

MiddleDimension:


you are getting it all wrong. it is possible to be a roman and a jew at the same time.

like you pointes out, judaism is a religion even ethic roman can convert to judaism like everyone else. the ethiopian eunuch is an example.

No, you're the one getting it all wrong, probably because you're hooked on Euro-centric theories and biblical myths fed you for long. Yes, the Romans could've been Jews depending on when the spread got to Rome. And the Ethiopian eunoch wasn't a convert because Jeudaism didn't come to Ethiopia from elsewhere, rather, Judaism, Christianity, all originated from Kemet (modern day Ethiopia, Sudan, Egypt). It was from here it went up north to the Mediterranean and Europe from where it spread all over the world. Your bible refered to Ethiopians as Isreal at Amos 9:7. It reads "Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt?". Remember, as I said earlier, Ethiopia, Sudan, and environs were togeher called Egypt.

but to answer your confusion more clearly, most jews are isrealites. not all isrealites at the time of joshua were hebrews or jews hence, isreal, the country, was not homogenous. they had other people living among them. they dis not kill everyone neither did they chase everyone out of the land as they were instructed by god. the country isreal only ceased to exist in 70ad when they were sacked by the romans. thats when that area became known as paleatine.

That's complete TRASH!!. As I said there was nothing like a state there ever in history, aside what your mythology of a God telling them to kill everyone to take over a land. Let me ask you; how could a God ask an invader to chase away aboriginal people from their land? Isn't it the same God that gave the land to the first inhabitants? What right does the Jewish God have to ask his believers to kill everybody in another country to take over their land? Men.........you're getting me annoyed. And you rationalize it saying it was only because they didn't kill everybody there, therefore, Palestinians shouldn't have been there today. This is the cause of rise of Zionism that began killing innocent Palestines to take over a land that doesn't belong to them.

Look, the white people in Israel today didn't even call themselves Jews until about the 18th century, that's when they began making that claim. It has always been the Ethiopians identifying themselves as Jews. The ark of the covenant supposedly given to the Jews by God currently rests in an enclosure in Ethiopia. You can go on a tour to Ethioppia to behold it.

That disputed land over there in the Midle East has historically always belonged to whomever lived there- Palestinians!!.

paul is isrealite from the tribe of benjamin and practiced judaism as a pharasee. christianity wasnt a religion like it is today.

Paul was a criminal and his identity is something I still need to work out. I will not take him by his word. Yes, as at 190 AD, a roman Emperor, Septimius Severus, decried the influx of Jeudaism and Christianity to Rome and was doing everything to stop it including killing them, so whether or not Paul was a convert or an original African Jew is not exactly verifiable.

today, the term jew does not just,mean someone who practices judaism, but also someone who is a son of jacob by ancestory. this means the words jew, isreali and hebrew are used interchangable

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It was the rise of Zionism that began the idea of "creating a Jewish state and return to their home land", that's why it appears today its a nationality. But, again, the land wasn't historically theirs as the real Jews who lived in that region at that time were black and not white people. So, yes, they're used interchangeably by those who don't know the histroy. Those who know understands to be a Jew means a believer in Jeudaism and nothing more.

musicwriter:


No, you're the one getting it all wrong, probably because you're hooked on Euro-centric theories and biblical myths fed you for long. Yes, the Romans could've been Jews depending on when the spread got to Rome. And the Ethiopian eunoch wasn't a convert because Jeudaism didn't come to Ethiopia from elsewhere, rather, Judaism, Christianity, all originated from Kemet (modern day Ethiopia, Sudan, Egypt). It was from here it went up north to the Mediterranean and Europe from where it spread all over the world. Your bible refered to Ethiopians as Isreal at Amos 9:7. It reads "Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt?". Remember, as I said earlier, Ethiopia, Sudan, and environs were togeher called Egypt.



That's complete TRASH!!. As I said there was nothing like a state there ever in history, aside what your mythology of a God telling them to kill everyone to take over a land. Let me ask you; how could a God ask an invader to chase away aboriginal people from their land? Isn't it the same God that gave the land to the first inhabitants? What right does the Jewish God have to ask his believers to kill everybody in another country to take over their land? Men.........you're getting me annoyed. And you rationalize it saying it was only because they didn't kill everybody there, therefore, Palestinians shouldn't have been there today. This is the cause of rise of Zionism that began killing innocent Palestines to take over a land that doesn't belong to them.

Look, the white people in Israel today didn't even call themselves Jews until about the 18th century, that's when they began making that claim. It has always been the Ethiopians identifying themselves as Jews. The ark of the covenant supposedly given to the Jews by God currently rests in an enclosure in Ethiopia. You can go on a tour to Ethioppia to behold it.

That disputed land over there in the Midle East has historically always belonged to whomever lived there- Palestinians!!.



Paul was a criminal and his identity is something I still need to work out. I will not take him by his word. Yes, as at 190 AD, a roman Emperor, Septimius Severus, decried the influx of Jeudaism and Christianity to Rome and was doing everything to stop it including killing them, so whether or not Paul was a convert or an original African Jew is not exactly verifiable.



It was the rise of Zionism that began the idea of "creating a Jewish state and return to their home land", that's why it appears today its a nationality. But, again, the land wasn't historically theirs as the real Jews who lived in that region at that time were black and not white people. So, yes, they're used interchangeably by those who don't know the histroy. Those who know understands to be a Jew means a believer in Jeudaism and nothing more.

reading through this post, i got the feeling you are pan africanist. looking into your profile confirmed it.

anyway, i am an atheist and whatever the bible say or didnt say doesnt matter to me. i joined this discussion because i found it interesting and it is a topic i have some amount of knowledge about.

also, are you a member of the...i cannot remember the name anymore, but the church is found more among AAs.

MiddleDimension:


reading through this post, i got the feeling you are pan africanist. looking into your profile confirmed it.

anyway, i am an atheist and whatever the bible say or didnt say doesnt matter to me. i joined this discussion because i found it interesting and it is a topic i have some amount of knowledge about.

also, are you a member of the...i cannot remember the name anymore, but the church is found more among AAs.

I believe in God, but not the God of religion. The God of religion is not fair, takes side, order people to kill for whatever reason. Christianity goes as far as claiming they have a license to sin as Paul told them.

Yes, I' am a die-hard believer in Africa.

I' am not a religious person and won't know what church African-Americans prefer, but it could be the Lutheran faith founded by Martin Luther King Jr. I approach the Bible historically, cause there're valid history there, though it's not completely historically correct.

What African-Americans are saying about themselves being the original Jews is correct, because the bulk of the original Jews remains in Africa and it was from here many were sold to slavery across the world as the Bible itself prophesied. See video on given link for details on that. It's also independently verifiable by both archeology and history. There was an Ethiopian atheist, Dr. Ben Josef Joachanna, who himself was a historian, and in his book "the African origins of the major western religions" detailed how Judaism and Christianity began. I have the audio book, if you need it email: kemeticphilosophy@gmail. There're also other books corroborating the history; like "Christianity before Christ" by John G. Jackson, but I don't have it right now. Unfortunately, the history was re-written and stolen while we were in slavery.

Life began in Africa, and any Adam and Eve were Africans from here we populated the world. Science agrees with this. Any Noah was an African. And any children they had were black!. See the lost history http://www.africason.com/2016/01/the-lost-history-why-was-black-history.html

HARDDON:
Op, i am not a member but i got just one question:

Have you ever prayed that the Holy Spirit Redirect his steps back to the light ever before?

hey bro, nice question you gat there, by "Holy spirirt redirect his steps", i am sure you are referring to Pst Chris ryt? if yes, then,, will you rather stay under the ministry of one who needs his steps redirected, or first seek help and safety for yourself before praying for others?

Only Afam4eva made sense

bentuzene:


Answer to No. 1, The Bible explains how to deal with misunderstandings in Matt 18:15-17 he should try that with a bit of patience.

Answer to No. 2, Same thing that shows a good Christian, Character... If the family excels, the entirety of the neighborhood or community they live in would feel it as the family is the building block of the society.

Answer to No. 3, Does that mean that if you don not pick a fight with your family members, you are not at oneness with Jesus? I highly doubt that but it rather means that those who cause you to err his will when you serve him can not be at peace with you just as light and darkness do not sit on the same seat.

Note that in all of these peace is still key and one can live in peace with his family and yet serve God effectively.

1. So after you try patience and it does not work what next?

2. You mean like Jesus' family and neighbourhood?

3. So if that is the case what are you talking about?

Marchman:
I have not posted in a while but if you have followed my previous posts, you would know that I used to attend Christ Embassy Church, even though I had reservations about some of their teachings. I finally left the church, phew!
I will use this thread to explain why I quit the church and why I may never attend another Pentecostal/Charismatic church which now appears to me like a sole proprietorship, with the General Overseer or lead pastor as the owner.

1. Excessive premium on Giving money

In Christ Embassy the number one thing they lay emphasis on is giving money. The church can use any tactic to get money from members, including manipulation, threats and the likes. While there is nothing wrong with giving money or time, I believe everything should be balanced and moderate. I think that was why St Paul said we should not give out of target, or threat but as we decide in our heart. In CE, there is nothing like moderation or balance when it comes to giving. They tend to believe literally that everything answers to money. You don’t have a job, give and sow seed. You are infertile, give and sow seed. Your father is sick, give and sow seed. Every message ends with a charge to give money. They collect tithes, offerings, partnerships (money), seeds (more money), first fruits (your whole income in January) and plethora of others.

You are also charged to give for Pastor Chris’s birthday and for all the other pastors. And for projects and the likes too.

Before I started worshipping with the Church, I read the story of the account clerk at the Sheraton Hotel who stole from his employers to give to the church. As a member, I could relate with the man. The Church is obsessed with money. They do not mind how or where you get it. If you want to rise or be noticed or win awards, just give big money. It is this obsession with money that led it to start collecting gate fees from members for its New Year Service at the LoveWorld Convocation Arena in Lagos, which ironically was built by the offerings of the members charged to get in. A lot of people I know personally had gone broke, had their businesses ruined, or fallen out with a loved one because of this teaching by the church.

In summary, at CE, money is everything- EVERYTHING.

My brother don't forget this bible verse in Matthew 7:7 that says "JUDGE NOT SO THAT THOU WILL NOT BE JUDGED " so when u see them do rubbish just keep quiet and leave if u God leads u out. But don't tell people to convince them about the negativity about the church.
Have this in mind always & nothing will disturb u . 2ndly have this in mind when u see things like that when Jesus said NOBODY IS PERFECT EXCEPT GOD IN HEAVEN "

Marchman:
2. Sin Means Nothing at CE
Their teaching regarding to sin is so liberal. They rarely even mention it. The belief is that a Christian cannot sin, but only do wrong. The implicit message here is that ‘if you are saved, you are always saved’. You are a son of God and nothing you do or do not do can change the fact. In other words, heaven is sure. I am really not versed in the Bible to argue with this but what I know is that, this teaching is dangerous. It is like giving one a blank cheque or immunity from sin. What you have is a morally decadent church, starting from the top. Sexual sins are so rampant. You must have read the allegations of Pst Anita against her husband, that he was screwing some top female pastors. Such allegations are common in the church and I believe Pst Anita was very naïve in not understanding what was happening under her nose for decades!

It is not just PSt Chris that has been accused of fornication; his younger brother Rev Ken was also accused of impregnating a member of the South African Church when he pastored it. My friend who was in the church at that time (he also has left) told me that in all practical terms, Rev Ken had a harem in SA, with all manners of girls, mainly young university girls, living in his house. His wife was leading the church at Isolo, Lagos at that time. Apart of the Oyakhilome brothers, sin (or wrong-doing since a Christian cannot sin, according to their belief) is very common among the pastors and laity. Including me. I did a lot of things I’m not proud of as a leader, including fornication. But what struck me is that I was going numb, conscienceless in the church. No message speaks to my struggles to stay upright and not to sin. They do not even talk about such things. The focus of the messages is often on how to be successful, perhaps so you can give more money!

In summary, at CE, sin means nothing!

well this harem issue is 100% true. People who know him very well says he loves woman and also loves God. You can imagine. Anita was naive indeed. She taught they were all worshiping God. Little did she know that dangerous things were happening behind her back. No shame. They cant even have one. They gather all the women. Greedy man The ladies now wear rings. Abeg who marry them? People who represent solomon here . Tufia!!!! After they will be speaking in tongues...

tete7000:


If they ask stupid person like you to define the bible, you will tell your brainwashed follower it is the same as torah. If they ask you to differentiate between christianity and judaism, you will tell nonentities like you they are one and the same.

See, this definition of ignorance calling someone ignorant. You really must be sick. Maybe the guy that started this tread who just freed himself from mumu like you might need your help but trust me that guy vowed he won't patronise freelance prophets like you again. Now he understand how difficult to extract any truth from your likes.

You will almost tell your children, Jesus and apostles quoted from the bible. I am sorry for them.

hello, u should actually SHUT UR MOUTH u know. what do you mean by "if they ask...."? have you asked him? are you a socerer to already know what his response will be? because the guy gave a superior argument to urs, you are here trying so hard to turn logic on its head. shame

Kaysalas:

hello, u should actually SHUT UR MOUTH u know. what do you mean by "if they ask...."? have you asked him? are you a socerer to already know what his response will be? because the guy gave a superior argument to urs, you are here trying so hard to turn logic on its head. shame

Face front and mind your business. Stop carrying other people's cross on your head. Superior argument my foot. Ode!

tete7000:


Face front and mind your business. Stop carrying other people's cross on your head. Superior argument my foot. Ode!

hahahaha i know ur type kikikikiki honestly, i am "minding my business" -seeking lost souls as the master commandeth. but seriously bro, u need to consider things from another perspective even if it is just to know what has informed the other man's views. take care

zionmade:

If ur wife just delivered and u masturbated while thinking about her,how is it a sin? or can u lust after ur own wife?

zionmade:

Yes it is a sin.
that is why he used the word "Masturbation on its own". wat makes it a sin is lusting after someone who is not ur wife. Is just like asking u is killing on its own a sin? the answer is NO. it depends on the reason for the killing. if u killed in self defence, its still killing but its not a sin
before u crucify me, ask urselves if being a soldier is a sin

bro, u SERIOUSLY NEED HELP. there is nothing like "masturbation on its own". masturbation is masturbation! PERIOD!
u might as well excuse STEALING ON ITS OWN, ADULTERY ON ITS OWN because the sinner has a reason for doing it. pray, tell me, how do you masturbate without the thought of a beautiful well rounded woman in your mind? O Boi, you have been brainwashed, you need auto reset ASAP!

akagaba:
Op, u are just an agent of darkness sent from the pit of hell against the church but im sorry, u have lost d battle woefully. I command u to return to d pit of hell wher u came from

I am sure that with the amount of quotes wey you don receive here(on this thread), u will NEVER POST MUMU POST AGAIN FOR YA LIFE
CHEERS HAHAHAHA

Kaysalas:




bro, u SERIOUSLY NEED HELP. there is nothing like "masturbation on its own". masturbation is masturbation! PERIOD!
u might as well excuse STEALING ON ITS OWN, ADULTERY ON ITS OWN because the sinner has a reason for doing it. pray, tell me, how do you masturbate without the thought of a beautiful well rounded woman in your mind? O Boi, you have been brainwashed, you need auto reset ASAP!

You are trying too hard. What is masturbation?

Kaysalas:




bro, u SERIOUSLY NEED HELP. there is nothing like "masturbation on its own". masturbation is masturbation! PERIOD!
u might as well excuse STEALING ON ITS OWN, ADULTERY ON ITS OWN because the sinner has a reason for doing it. pray, tell me, how do you masturbate without the thought of a beautiful well rounded woman in your mind? O Boi, you have been brainwashed, you need auto reset ASAP!

Read the first post u quoted, then revise Wat u wrote. thats all I have to say. And if u re a Christian at all, be careful of that word "brainwashed " it is actually used by unbelievers to denigrate committed Christians.

Maestro21:


You are trying too hard. What is masturbation?

o.k, lemme kinda play along; masturbation is the purposeful act of touching sex organs in order to bring about sexual pleasure
now, that i defined it for you, can you please tell me how masturbation is not a sin?

zionmade:

Read the first post u quoted, then revise Wat u wrote. thats all I have to say. And if u re a Christian at all, be careful of that word "brainwashed " it is actually used by unbelievers to denigrate committed Christians.

are you referring to this:

zionmade:

If ur wife just delivered and u masturbated while thinking about her,how is it a sin? or can u lust after ur own wife?

if yes, my question to you is: how many people who masturbate, do so with their wives in mind? MOST people who masturbate are YOUTHS and UNMARRIED. So why try to explain away masturbation under the guise of "suppose your wife just put to bed"?
masturbation is sexual sin, the fact that pst chris said otherwise doesnt mean he is right. remember the berean christians. and as per BRAINWASHED, bro, nor be abuse O! it refers to when you have lost your ability to think independently and you now REGURGITATE what others have deposited in you, most especially when it is falsehood deposited in you. think bro, think! peace

Kaysalas:

o.k, lemme kinda play along; masturbation is the purposeful act of touching sex organs in order to bring about sexual pleasure
now, that i defined it for you, can you please tell me how masturbation is not a sin?

A man is having fertility treatment and part of the conditions is to submit semen for testing. How would he provide the semen?

Maestro21:


A man is having fertility treatment and part of the conditions is to submit semen for testing. How would he provide the semen?

As usual this is the point where Kaysalas becomes too busy to respond. They usually flee at this point.

Pastor Chis said masturbation "in itself" is not a sin. Haters (among them, chronic masturbators) chose what they want to hear.

Maestro21:


A man is having fertility treatment and part of the conditions is to submit semen for testing. How would he provide the semen?

donnie:


As usual this is the point where Kaysalas becomes too busy to respond. They usually flee at this point.

Pastor Chis said masturbation "in itself" is not a sin. Haters (among them, chronic masturbators) chose what they want to hear.

Hahahaha! i marvel 2 your level of imagination, you should really be writing books.
first up, are you a medical practitioner? how are you so sure that is the only way of extracting sperm from a man?
masturbation is sexual sin, please STOP rationalising sin for whatever reason...suppose this....suppose that?hope i have answered you but you are yet to answer my question...how do you masturbate on its own(without thinking about a woman?)

as per being too busy to answer, O boi na when i get chance i go answer oo!

MrBenSun:



Sorry bros, but I want to believe you actually attended BLW Akure Zone G (FUTA)...quote me if I'm wrong oh. Once a 'belewu' always a 'belewu' lol. Only FUTA students can relate to this

hahahahahahahahahaha, No I attended the OAU Chapter..

Kaysalas:




Hahahaha! i marvel 2 your level of imagination, you should really be writing books.
first up, are you a medical practitioner? how are you so sure that is the only way of extracting sperm from a man?
masturbation is sexual sin, please STOP rationalising sin for whatever reason...suppose this....suppose that?hope i have answered you but you are yet to answer my question...how do you masturbate on its own(without thinking about a woman?)

as per being too busy to answer, O boi na when i get chance i go answer oo!

The masturbation is one thing, the "thinking or thoughts" is another... get that?

mas·tur·ba·tion\ˌmas-tər-ˈbā-shən\
noun
: erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in orgasm and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation, occasionally by sexual fantasies, or by various combinations of these agencies
First use: 1603

Now, from the above Merriam Webster definition, Sexual fantasies are just one of the means... it may involve sexual fantasies OCCASIONALLY.

donnie:


The masturbation is one thing, the "thinking or thoughts" is another... get that?

mas·tur·ba·tion\ˌmas-tər-ˈbā-shən\
noun
: erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in orgasm and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation, occasionally by sexual fantasies, or by various combinations of these agencies
First use: 1603

Now, from the above Merriam Webster definition, Sexual fantasies are just one of the means... it may involve sexual fantasies OCCASIONALLY.

hahaha! keep deceiving yourself with English language. Masturbation is sexual sin, you can explain it away all you like, you purposely highlighted"occasionally by sexual fantasies" but turned a blind eye on"or by various combinations of these agencies".
clap for yaself!

pen:
When we say Judas sold Jesus, we say not me i can not do such a thing. here you just sold Jesus to get publicity which means you will go the way of Judas brother. remember what Jesus said to Saul of Tarsus" Saul Saul why persecuted thus me it is hard to kick against the brick. " people never learnt from history. History always repeat itself. when your children unborn are reaping from these seeds you are sowing , nobody will know where they got from. Anything you do against the church of Jesus Christ you are doing it to Him and He will hold you accountable for it. Have not you heard the i will build my Church and the gate of Hell shall not prevail against it. Because of you so call testimony many people's faith will shrink brother! You will pay for it. The bible says Offence will come but woe unto that man by which they come. God is watching you.

Before you start indirectly laying curse on someone, at this point, Na only JESUS sabi who be im church, dont get it twisted