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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 3:19pm On Jul 20, 2017
Fm4real06:
Like hw many times have u done treasury bills and received your money on the maturity date?
I can't quite remember but I have done lots of it...
Infact the one I invest in primary market on January 18th for 182days through GTB matured and the alert was came in before woke up this morning July 20th.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by crowntoro(f): 4:07pm On Jul 20, 2017
Fm4real06:
Proof of investment is also certifucate of trasury bills. It is good to have it with you as an evidence although it is not really needed. You may go back and ask for it and you will be given.
Alright
Thank you
Gurus in the house, how much interest should one expect on an investment of 17.25% on N100,000 for 182days
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Investnow2017: 5:08pm On Jul 20, 2017
deepwater:
They will still collect that N3,698
That is when they would debit you for ATMcard in advance. #1,000
That is when you get debited for SMS monthly services #430
That is when you get debited for ATM card maintence #250

ETC ETC
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Last last, na NGN320 go remain
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by bestidafa(m): 5:48pm On Jul 20, 2017
crowntoro:
Alright
Thank you
Gurus in the house, how much interest should one expect on an investment of 17.25% on N100,000 for 182days
17.25/100 * 100000 * 182/365 = #8601.37
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by crowntoro(f): 5:55pm On Jul 20, 2017
bestidafa:
17.25/100 * 100000 * 182/365 = #8601.37
Thank you
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by bestidafa(m): 6:02pm On Jul 20, 2017
Investnow2017:
Lets assume a figure of 1m @18% for 182 days with a re-invested interest for

1,000,000 × 18% = 90,000
90,000 x 18% = 8,000
8,008 x 18% = 720

At the end of 6 months or 182 days will be:

90,000 + 8,008 + 720 = 98,728

Am i righthuh?
No you are not. It's

18/100 *1000000 *182/365 =# 89,753.42
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by bestidafa(m): 6:12pm On Jul 20, 2017
TONY56:
There's actually nothing wrong with it. It's only an advice that people don't do that cause of the prevailing situation in the country and if anyone feels safe about such revelation, so be it.

The only other thing is that when people like me who doesn't even have or invest up to 500k see these huge figures, it reminds us that we are poor cry cry cry
We shouldn't also forget that this is a faceless forum. The only thing I think shouldn't be disclosed here is address. But for money figure, it's not bad as the person may just need some clarity as per how much he would be getting if he invests the amount.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ezeonlinebiz(m): 6:18pm On Jul 20, 2017
bestidafa:
We shouldn't also forget that this is a faceless forum. The only thing I think shouldn't be disclosed here is address. But for money figure, it's not bad as the person may just need some clarity as per how much he would be getting if he invests the amount.
Seconded
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dotcomnamename: 6:37pm On Jul 20, 2017
bestidafa:
We shouldn't also forget that this is a faceless forum. The only thing I think shouldn't be disclosed here is address. But for money figure, it's not bad as the person may just need some clarity as per how much he would be getting if he invests the amount.
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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 7:42pm On Jul 20, 2017
freeman67:
I can't quite remember but I have done lots of it...
Infact the one I invest in primary market on January 18th for 182days through GTB matured and the alert was came in before woke up this morning July 20th.
Okay... so it means my money is safe. Although i wish there was 30days tenor. That would av been better.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by simplibaba(m): 7:47pm On Jul 20, 2017
Please, can i request for my NTB certificate in a branch different from where i actually made the purchase from as i have traveled outside the state of purchase....
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Viking007(m): 7:48pm On Jul 20, 2017
Fm4real06:
Okay... so it means my money is safe. Although i wish there was 30days tenor. That would av been better.
We offer 30 days tenor @sunTrust bank. smiley
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 7:57pm On Jul 20, 2017
Viking007:
We offer 30 days tenor @sunTrust bank. smiley
Sun trust bank? Is that an investment house because i havent heard of it before. You can also explain here what your bank does if it is truly legit.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 8:00pm On Jul 20, 2017
simplibaba:
Please, can i request for my NTB certificate in a branch different from where i actually made the purchase from as i have traveled outside the state of purchase....
I think you can do that although the name of the branch you applied for the NTB will be written boldly on top of the proof of investment. So probably the branch u checked in may send a mail to your real branch where u opened it to send them the proof of certificate then they will print it out and give it to you.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Viking007(m): 8:01pm On Jul 20, 2017
Fm4real06:
Sun trust bank? Is that an investment house because i havent heard of it before. You can also explain here what your bank does if it is truly legit.
You can visit our website @ www.suntrustng.com for more information.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Investnow2017: 8:21pm On Jul 20, 2017
bestidafa:
No you are not. It's

18/100 *1000000 *182/365 =# 89,753.42
Thanks, but is there no difference between:

1) investing the principal+interest at once.

2) investing the principal and re-invest the interest separately at the same rate and tenor probably the next day or same day?

Why i ask is because when you reinvest the interest separately you stand the chance of receiving the discount of the reinvested interest whereas you get the interest at maturity with Type 1 investment method. So the question is which yields better of the two methods?

Help, i will appreciate your clarification please.

Investment Type 1 (Taking the discount at maturity)

Investment Type 2 (Taking the discount Upfront) and reinvesting the interest separately at same rate and tenor.

Will both types yield the same returns? Do you apply the same formula?

Please help clarify.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by simplibaba(m): 8:28pm On Jul 20, 2017
Fm4real06:
I think you can do that although the name of the branch you applied for the NTB will be written boldly on top of the proof of investment. So probably the branch u checked in may send a mail to your real branch where u opened it to send them the proof of certificate then they will print it out and give it to you.
Thank You for this.. God bless
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by jp130(m): 8:30pm On Jul 20, 2017
So far any alert from other banks?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 8:31pm On Jul 20, 2017
Fm4real06:
Okay... so it means my money is safe. Although i wish there was 30days tenor. That would av been better.
Though there is no investment without risk but If its about Safety...TB is about Nigeria's safest investment. If that's the timeframe you could afford then contact your bank or investment house. You may be lucky to find it in the secondary market. However if you can afford more time do not worry about the safety....At this particular period the longer the tenor the more profitable it is.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 9:06pm On Jul 20, 2017
Investnow2017:
Thanks, but is there no difference between:

1) investing the principal+interest at once.

2) investing the principal and re-invest the interest separately at the same rate and tenor probably the next day or same day?

Why i ask is because when you reinvest the interest separately you stand the chance of receiving the discount of the reinvested interest whereas you get the interest at maturity with Type 1 investment method. So the question is which yields better of the two methods?

Help, i will appreciate your clarification please.

Investment Type 1 (Taking the discount at maturity)

Investment Type 2 (Taking the discount Upfront) and reinvesting the interest separately at same rate and tenor.

Will both types yield the same returns? Do you apply the same formula?

Please help clarify.
I do not know the formula or how to calculate reinvestment with.. So I may not get the exact amount of interest but investing with interest sure has more than collecting your interest upfront. I will give example: I know someone that invested N516,000 in TB primary market for 182days(02/03/2017 - 31/08/2017) through FBN @ 17.05%. After the deduction for charges and VAT with a refund of the remaining amount that didnt make up to a thousand back to his account, He is getting back N563,000 back at maturity on that 31st because he invested principal with interest.
That means he is getting N47,000 as interest instead of about N43,000
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 9:12pm On Jul 20, 2017
Viking007:
You can visit our website @ www.suntrustng.com for more information.
Na that PMI you the talk about so? Abeg carry this stuff go property thread na there you go fit find people wey want collect housing loan from FMB abi people wey collect loan for building project.

Abi una d do more?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by deepwater(f): 9:39pm On Jul 20, 2017
Stanbic just responded.
Primary market successful
Submitted late Tuesday after with fears of being too late.

Stsnbic is game, I swear
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ibukun003(m): 9:48pm On Jul 20, 2017
deepwater:
Stanbic just responded.
Primary market successful
Submitted late Tuesday after with fears of being too late.

Stsnbic is game, I swear
Have you been paid upfronthuh
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by klas(m): 10:31pm On Jul 20, 2017
freeman67:
Na that PMI you the talk about so? Abeg carry this stuff go property thread na there you go fit find people wey want collect housing loan from FMB abi people wey collect loan for building project.

Abi una d do more?
I thought Suntrust ceased to be a PMI when it was granted commercial banking license in 2015 or thereabouts. Same with Providus Bank.

Did you check the website that he referred you to?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Shakitibob0: 10:32pm On Jul 20, 2017
So I did my first ever TB transaction today...It's a purchase made from the secondary market and I got 13.5% for 105days at Access Bank....I accepted this though it may look unfair to many here

Please am I correct on this

I invested 2M..... 13.5/100 * 2,000,000 * 105/365

===========N70,767.......please will my interest be this 70,767? Or I didn't calculate well?

I will forever be grateful for getting this information about TB on nairaland.... It is truly an Eye-opener
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by deepwater(f): 10:32pm On Jul 20, 2017
Ibukun003:
Have you been paid upfronthuh
Yes, 2 hours ago
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Autophys1: 10:37pm On Jul 20, 2017
From my calculations, it seems Stanbic bid 18.3% for 364 days.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by claremont(m): 11:14pm On Jul 20, 2017
Someone who lives in the UK/US and has a good credit profile can make some easy money round-tripping bank loans from UK to Nigeria treasury bills. The average interest rate for a UK bank loan is 4% per year, and from this thread, I can see that the average returns on Nigeria treasury bills is 18%. It takes little or no effort to get a £30,000 loan from a UK bank at 4% APR, and use it to buy Nigerian treasury bills for a 18% return within 6 months. At the end of the 6 months period, pay off the loan. Repeat process as many times as possible.

Nice idea.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 12:23am On Jul 21, 2017
Shakitibob0:
So I did my first ever TB transaction today...It's a purchase made from the secondary market and I got 13.5% for 105days at Access Bank....I accepted this though it may look unfair to many here

Please am I correct on this

I invested 2M..... 13.5/100 * 2,000,000 * 105/365

===========N70,767.......please will my interest be this 70,767? Or I didn't calculate well?

I will forever be grateful for getting this information about TB on nairaland.... It is truly an Eye-opener
That rate is very unfair. I have heard people that got 15% for 76 days in that same secondary market through fistbank.

The calculation is 13.5/100 * 2,000,000=270,000 then 270,000/365=739.726, then 739.726*105=77671.232
Your interest after 105days is #77671.23.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by awesomeJ(m): 12:27am On Jul 21, 2017
claremont:
Someone who lives in the UK/US and has a good credit profile can make some easy money round-tripping bank loans from UK to Nigeria treasury bills. The average interest rate for a UK bank loan is 4% per year, and from this thread, I can see that the average returns on Nigeria treasury bills is 18%. It takes little or no effort to get a £30,000 loan from a UK bank at 4% APR, and use it to buy Nigerian treasury bills for a 18% return within 6 months. At the end of the 6 months period, pay off the loan. Repeat process as many times as possible.

Nice idea.
The only problem with that is volatility in the FX market, because with just a 10% depreciation in the value of the local currency, you'll suffer a loss. In the six months through November 2016, the naira suffered about 50% depreciation against the greenback at the parallel market moving from about 320 in May to upwards of 480 in November. But thanks to God, this volatility is now being largely contained. So if you don't mind this risk, you're very welcome to purchase our bills, as one of the primary reasons why rates have been kept this high is lure FPIs like you to hold naira assets.
With regards to quoting investment figures, I feel everyone should quote their figures as long as they are OK with it. The forum already makes us anonymous, plus when people quote 100k and 200k nobody says a word.

for this reinvesting upfront interest calculation, you get the value of your returns by using the true yield. if d is the prorated discount rate in %, then %yield y=(100d)/(100-d). so a discount rate of 18.5% has true yield as 1850/81.5=22.7%
so if you invest 1 million together with the upfront, your total returns will be about 227,000 as against 185,000

for 17.5% at 182 days, the prorated discount rate is about 8.75%, so the yield y=875/91.25=9.59 which becomes 19.18% per annum.
Inflation is now at 16.10%, that to us should be significant.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by jp130(m): 5:53am On Jul 21, 2017
Please any body with other banks hu have gotten alert apart from stanbic?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 6:35am On Jul 21, 2017
klas:
I thought Suntrust ceased to be a PMI when it was granted commercial banking license in 2015 or thereabouts. Same with Providus Bank.

Did you check the website that he referred you to?
Thanks, you just inform me about their change of status. I did not check ...I do not have a need to.
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