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Hadiths of such nature abound in the books, not to mention the exploits the SAHABAS had with the relics of the NABI (saw) all based on their individual estimations without even consulting each other!

#By duly contemplating all the above laid out points & more, one will be able to see that the NABI (saw) has never for once criticize the use of Qiyas or restricted its usage to a particular group of people or to a particular time like some people are trying to make it look today neither did he alluded that his presence is needed for legislation, so long all verdict/ruling remain on the bearing of KITAB/SUNNAH:

#God or the NABI(saw) never attributed any infallibility to any salaf & neither did he limit the understanding of the DEEN to any group or age.

#Obedience to the SALAF or whoever is a must so far they remain on the bearing of KITAB & SUNNAH coz thats the only condition laid down by GOD in Q4:59: i.e infallibilitu & blind obedience are only due to KITAB & SUNNAH as this vs illustrated. The two have never conflicted but it is on record that the SAHABA disagreed on many issues ranging from AQEEDAH to the trifling of matters, even though they were all trained under same NABI (saw) & that is not a blemish on their esteemed status, not in the least!

NOW, LETS SCRUTINIZE SOME OF THE HADITH USUALLY QUOTED BY THE ADVOCATES OF THE FIRST 2 VIEWS TO DEFEND THEIR STANCES.....

#1 : HADITH OF A‘ISHA (ra)
https://sunnah.com/muslim/30

HE WHO INNOVATES THINGS IN OUR AFFAIR (THAT) WHICH IS NOT OF IT , (IT) WILL BE REJECTED:

The key point of this hadith is the bolded ‘that which is not of it‘ : What the NABI (saw) is actually saying here inversely as opposed to some people‘s misinterpretation is that : REJECTION IS ONLY SUBJECTED TO NON-COMPLIANCE OF THE ‘INNOVATED‘ MATTER!

If you suspend the negative verb ‘NOT‘, then the resultant negative verb ‘REJECTED‘ will automatically become ‘ACCEPTED‘. This is the reality the upholders of the first 2 VIEWS will never pray you understand.

#2: HADITH OF

https://sunnah.com/nawawi40/28 also from abu dawud

Beware of INNOVATED MATTERS for EVERY newly innovated matter is bid‘a and every bid‘a is misguidance:

#The first key words: ‘INNOVATED MATTERS‘ are what never existed in religion. They look like religion but are not part of it because they contradict KITAB & SUNNAH & have no justification whatsoever in both. Matters invented to seek this world or next but either they have been outrightly banned by GOD or no ground whatsoever can be found for them in KITAB & SUNNAH. Cos in the real sense, a sharia compliant act can never be a bid‘a (innovated matter) which renders the word ‘EVERY‘ subjective.

#The second key word ‘EVERY‘ meaning ‘in totality‘. In the light of the first 2 VIEWS, this word cannot have a subjective context. Then we ask in Q18:84 & Q27:16 God said he gave SULAIMAN & ZUL QARNAEN (as) every means & things respectively. Does that means they are @ per with God ?

Also in Q21:98 God said the KUFAR & that they worship will end up as fuel for hell, does that include ISA (as) & his mum as worshiped by some people ? Lols

Also in Q6:44 God said once he marks a community for destruction, he opens to them the door to everything, does that include the doors of mercy & repentance ?

#3: HADITH- SAHEEH AL-BAEHAQY/7:76

I have not left anything that will take you closer to GOD except that I have commanded you with it:

One funny interpretation given to this hadith by the upholder of the first 2 VIEWS is that they tend to give it a flat sense as in an absolute sense with an explicit expression.

Question: did he then forgot to enjoin those who performed SUNNATU ATTAQREERIYYA in such acts ?
All those acts of ibada performed by the sahaba that he later got to know of & applauded, did he forgot to enjoin them in those ?

Some even go as far as substituting its simple past verb for a past perfect referencing it to Q5:3, then we ask :

Was that even his last words to his sahaba (ummah) ? No!

Did he continue to enjoin them in other good deeds after that hadith ? Yes !

Has revelation ceased when he utter those words ? No!

He hadnt yet performed HAJJ talkless of showing them its rites in practice when he said that & some people are trying to put a note of explicity & finality on those verbs.

In conclusion, any act that conforms with KITAB & SUNNAH can never answer the name ‘BID‘A‘ in the true sense, cos bid‘a denotes something strange & alien. So, the saying that every bid‘a is kufr is right cos for it to become bid‘a it must have gone against KITAB & SUNNAH.

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SOME ‘INNOVATED‘ ACTS OF IBADA FROM THE SALAF.

#IT was reported in VIRTUES OF SALAT by SHEIKHUL HADITH: MUHAMMAD ZAKARIYYA KANDHALWI (ra) that :

Imam HANBAL (ra) used to offer 300 rakhat daily, then after he was lashed by the abbasid caliph MA‘MUM he reduced it to 150 rakhat daily. He was around 80 years old @ the time.

#Same Imam HANBAL authorized the recitation of dua‘i KHATMAT QURAN in taraweeh, he told them to lift their hands after NASS before rukh & recite the dua. When asked for its isnad he claimed that SUFYAN ibn UYAUNA (a tabi‘i al tabi‘i) used to do so in makkah. as reported by ibn QUDAMA in MUGHNI 1:802

#Its no news that S. UMAR (ra) ‘innovated‘ TARAWEEH in congregetion but that he also increased it from 8 to 20. Then later generation of MADINITES increased it to 41 rakhats. (Imam MALIK later on developed his mazhab on the custom of the MADINAITES)

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/8

#ibn TAYMIYYAH would recite FATIHA from fajr to sunrise as reported by ali al-bazar in ALIYYA 3rd edition.....

....

#S. UTHMAN (ra) ‘innovated‘ the call to prayer on friday @ the begining of zuhr.

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/4

#al-ASQALANI reported in fathul bari that the grandsons of the NABI (saw), abdullahi ibn zubair, & some other sahaba do greet the 4 side of the kaaba as opposed to the customary two YEMENI greeted by the NABI (saw).

# S. UMAR(ra) had wanted to limit dowry to 400 silver coins for the women during his reign, when a woman challenged him by reciting Q4:20, he withdrew immediately.

#He also incorporated the addition of ‘PRAYER IS BETTER THAN SLEEP‘ in the adhan for subh prayer.

#ANAS ibn MALIK (ra) invented a different formulea of TALBIYYAH during tawaf.

#BILAL (ra) ‘innovated‘ the prayer after ablution that made his footstep to be heard by NABI (saw) in jannah, what an ‘innovation‘ !

#S. ABUBAKAR (ra) ‘innovated‘ the MUSHAF!

#S. UMAR(ra) treated 3 pronounciation on divorce as 1.

https://sunnah.com/muslim/9

#KHUBAUB IBN ADI (ra) ‘innovated‘ the prayer of two rakhat before death.

#ibn UMAR (ra) made addition to ATTASHOOD in prayer (abu DAWUD)

& THE RELIGION IS COMPLETE!!!

CONFUSIONS

#ibn TAYMIYYAH condemns MATHEMATICS & allied courses in his book on KALAM & FALSAFA.

Only if he could see the future! Only if he could have a glimpse of the almighty DIGITAL ERA! Only if!

Thats how they‘ve being making fatwas that have kept the muslims behind in all aspect of developments, all in the name of bid‘a.

#KADRI reported in his book HEAVEN ON EARTH that ibn HANBAL believes human literature to be unholy innovation!

#ibn TAYMIYYAH in majmoo fatwa decleared the shaking of hand after salah to be bid‘a. I think we‘ll have to re-study the hadiths & get the precise time frame the NABI (saw) made salutations in order not to fall into bid‘a. Lols NABI (saw) said spread salam among yourselves to foster love & brotherhood & someone is trying to put a time on it.

#MUSABAQAT QURAN: The NABI (saw) had said there shouldnt be prizes except in horse/camel racing & archery.

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/23
Imam GHAZALI (ra) stated in his book KITABUL HIKMAH

“Among the accepted practices of our time are decorating & furnishing of the mosque & expending great sum of money on there ornate construction & rugs which were then considered innovations. These were introduced by the pilgrims as the early muslims seldom place anything on the ground during prayer....they were among the taboos @ the time of the sahaba, the same is true for chanting (TALHIR) of the quran & the call for prayer, going to excess in matter of cleaness....may GOD help us!

ikupakuti:
SOME ‘INNOVATED‘ ACTS OF IBADA FROM THE SALAF.

#IT was reported in VIRTUES OF SALAT by SHEIKHUL HADITH: MUHAMMAD ZAKARIYYA KANDHALWI (ra) that :

Imam HANBAL (ra) used to offer 300 rakhat daily, then after he was lashed by the abbasid caliph MA‘MUM he reduced it to 150 rakhat daily. He was around 80 years old @ the time.

#Same Imam HANBAL authorized the recitation of dua‘i KHATMAT QURAN in taraweeh, he told them to lift their hands after NASS before rukh & recite the dua. When asked for its isnad he claimed that SUFYAN ibn UYAUNA (a tabi‘i al tabi‘i) used to do so in makkah. as reported by ibn QUDAMA in MUGHNI 1:802

#Its no news that S. UMAR (ra) ‘innovated‘ TARAWEEH in congregetion but that he also increased it from 8 to 20. Then later generation of MADINITES increased it to 41 rakhats. (Imam MALIK later on developed his mazhab on the custom of the MADINAITES)

https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/8

#ibn TAYMIYYAH would recite FATIHA from fajr to sunrise as reported by ali al-bazar in ALIYYA 3rd edition.....

This is a knockout. You really determined to dig up this. Served them right. But you should have mentioned op's moniker and his cohort in case they 'unfollowed' this thread. They love twisting Islamic texts a lot. What you said here reminds me of "Jinn stories" thread where si.no mentioned that his Ustaz would recite Ya Lateef thousand times and he was very hot. He concluded this is not sunnah. I said is it not Allah's Name he chanted?. How is this not sunnah?. if he wants to say his Ustaz overdosed medicine, fine. Doctor may prescribe "take 2 ibuprofen AM and 2 at bedtime. But you choose to take 5 tabs AM and PM total of 10. Of course you get negative reaction. Thats overdose but still within medical line

ikupakuti:
CONFUSIONS

#ibn TAYMIYYAH condemns MATHEMATICS & allied courses in his book on KALAM & FALSAFA.

Only if he could see the future! Only if he could have a glimpse of the almighty DIGITAL ERA! Only if!

Thats how they‘ve being making fatwas that have kept the muslims behind in all aspect of developments, all in the name of bid‘a.

#KADRI reported in his book HEAVEN ON EARTH that ibn HANBAL believes human literature to be unholy innovation!

#ibn TAYMIYYAH in majmoo fatwa decleared the shaking of hand after salah to be bid‘a. I think we‘ll have to re-study the hadiths & get the precise time frame the NABI (saw) made salutations in order not to fall into bid‘a. Lols NABI (saw) said spread salam among yourselves to foster love & brotherhood & someone is trying to put a time on it.

# Excellent piece there bro.

# And you can imagine the conservative Salafi who continue to adhere to those views of their fore ulama in Ahmad Ibn Hanbali and Ibn Taymiyyah till date.

# Chemistry, today, hold all gratitude to Jabir Ibn Hayan as Medicine does same to Ibn Sina. Geography, Physics, Art, Mathematics, Philosophy etc Muslims used to be leader and leading innovators in these field, and in turn service to the whole world was at its peak. Alas! These are the people tagged "Ahlu Bid'ah" and condemned into hell fire for their practice by the self acclaimed "Ahlu Sunnah".

# Where's Muslims today? Far far far behind in science, technology, art, literature, philosophy, engineering, architecture etc. Thanks to the ultra conservative teachings of these so-called " shuyukh ul Islam" as if their words are bond upon us.

@ ikupakuti, you are now a "shia" because you are CURSING the Salafs.

# He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. These guys continue to present "Salaf, Salaf, Salaf" to us as if they were groups and communities of angels. Unfortunately, "Bid'ah" of the highest order can be found with these past salafs, judging by the hushpuff modern day fanatic Salafi's definition of "Bid'ah". And worst still, when they see these clear evidences, they will deliberately twist its meaning.


# These modern day so-called salafist are either ignorant of these facts or deliberately hiding them to continue fooling their gullible followers.

# Really, there are just too much lies and cover ups in the Muslim's "school of knowledge".

Empiree:
This is a knockout. You really determined to dig up this. Served them right. But you should have mentioned op's moniker and his cohort in case they 'unfollowed' this thread. They love twisting Islamic texts a lot.

Ofcourse! To sell a white lie, you have to continue twisting history. Thank GOD the books/records are there for all to see & peruse.

What you said here reminds me of "Jinn stories" thread where si.no mentioned that his Ustaz would recite Ya Lateef thousand times and he was very hot. He concluded this is not sunnah. I said is it not Allah's Name he chanted?. How is this not sunnah?. if he wants to say his Ustaz overdosed medicine, fine. Doctor may prescribe "take 2 ibuprofen AM and 2 at bedtime. But you choose to take 5 tabs AM and PM total of 10. Of course you get negative reaction. Thats overdose but still within medical line

If this is what bid‘a really is, then no one is save, not even the salaf. If increasing voluntary aspect of religious acts is bid‘a then non of the salafs will escape ‘hell‘, since all bid‘a leads to hell. They ‘invent‘ with impunity! Lol

@Ikupakuti

What a comprehensive defense dissertation! You make my day!

Actually, if one can broaden one's knowledge to see more, one will be cautious in making HASTE AND INCORRECT religious deductions. And stop been too forward in passing FATWA.

If only those BIDI'AH coroner can have holistic view of many texts you cited above, and many more evidence that existed, they would think twice before saying those egregious statement which culminate in their vogue slogans now in form TAKFEER of fellow Muslims including earlier scholars. Such is their height of imbecility and incivility!

Please keep this coming we're LEARNING strongly from your post. It seems to me albaqir has induced you one way or the other in this REBUTTAL stuff. Perhaps I may start mine taking empiree way, he is more mild so to say in his defense, unlike you and albaqir now, too ASSERTIVE. Lol

May Allah(swt) BLESS us more of ILMUL NAF'IAN and grant us FORGIVENESS for our shortcomings. Amin.

AlBaqir:
# Excellent piece there bro.

# And you can imagine the conservative Salafi who continue to adhere to those views of their fore ulama in Ahmad Ibn Hanbali and Ibn Taymiyyah till date.

Sanctimoniously you mean. They dare not adhere to the fullest! They only quote them when they want to sell their rustic ideology.

# Chemistry, today, hold all gratitude to Jabir Ibn Hayan as Medicine does same to Ibn Sina. Geography, Physics, Art, Mathematics, Philosophy etc Muslims used to be leader and leading innovators in these field, and in turn service to the whole world was at its peak. Alas! These are the people tagged "Ahlu Bid'ah" and condemned into hell fire for their practice by the self acclaimed "Ahlu Sunnah".

# Where's Muslims today? Far far far behind in science, technology, art, literature, philosophy, engineering, architecture etc. Thanks to the ultra conservative teachings of these so-called " shuyukh ul Islam" as if their words are bond upon us.

When you read the exploits of our early scientists, you cant but pity the muslims of today. The muslims have advanced in all these fields when the whole of europe was still sleeping! The muslims developed the process of crystallization, precipitation, distillation & sublimation. If not for the crusade, the muslim spain would have been the capital of chemistry today.

It was on record that this same JABIR is true father of modern chemistry. He is said to have written over 5 hundred treaties! On chemistry alone!

Like the author of THE SPIRIT OF ISLAM said : “CHEMISTRY, AS A SCIENCE, IS UNQUESTIONABLY THE INVENTION OF THE MUSLIMS“

but then not under such superannuated & antiquated mentality being projected by these people!

Today, we are forced to lick the ar.ses of the non-muslims when it comes to advancement!

LadunaI:
@Ikupakuti

What a comprehensive defense dissertation! You make my day!

Actually, if one can broaden one's knowledge to see more, one will be cautious in making HASTE AND INCORRECT religious deductions. And stop been too forward in passing FATWA.

I tell you, if bid‘a as being potrayed by this group were to be a worm, then every salaf has got a hole! & by extension all of us! Inshort ISLAM as recorded & practiced by the salafs is as porous as coal!

If only those BIDI'AH coroner can have holistic view of many texts you cited above, and many more evidence that existed,

Dont be suprised that they are aware of it all.

It seems to me albaqir has induced you one way or the other in this REBUTTAL stuff. Perhaps I may start mine taking empiree way, he is more mild so to say in his defense, unlike you and albaqir now, too ASSERTIVE. Lol

@albaqir is a TEFLON! Ever ready l‘omo. he always goes for the jugular [/quote]May Allah(swt) BLESS us more of ILMUL NAF'IAN and grant us FORGIVENESS for our shortcomings. Amin.[/quote]Ameen!

AlBaqir:
@ ikupakuti, you are now a "shia" because you are CURSING the Salafs.

# He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. These guys continue to present "Salaf, Salaf, Salaf" to us as if they were groups and communities of angels. Unfortunately, "Bid'ah" of the highest order can be found with these past salafs, judging by the hushpuff modern day fanatic Salafi's definition of "Bid'ah". And worst still, when they see these clear evidences, they will deliberately twist its meaning.


# These modern day so-called salafist are either ignorant of these facts or deliberately hiding them to continue fooling their gullible followers.

# Really, there are just too much lies and cover ups in the Muslim's "school of knowledge".

Lols they are actually trained to propagate & defend the ideology. Thats why they never listen to reason. Their aim is not the truth but to sell an ideology.

Too bad they forgot to do their homework very well. The SAHEEHs they planned to use as sheild for their weird ideology & proof of their twisted denotation of BID‘A, turned out to be the MASTER TAPE of ‘bid‘a‘.

ikupakuti:
Lols they are actually trained to propagate & defend the ideology. Thats why they never listen to reason. Their aim is not the truth but to sell an ideology.

Too bad they forgot to do their homework very well. The SAHEEHs they planned to use as sheild for their weird ideology & proof of their twisted denotation of BID‘A, turned out to be the MASTER TAPE of ‘bid‘a‘.

# Wallahi.

* I was shocked when I heard Jabata's tafsir on the hadith of some sahabah that Nabi sent somewhere where they reached a village.... and snake bite the village head....that one Sahabi later recited sura al-Fatiha to cure the man.

* Imagine Jabata said for the fact that only Fatiha was recited by that Sahabi, and approved by Nabi, NOTHING else from the Qur'an should be recited for that will constitute to Bid'ah. I was like "Lahaola wala Quwata illah billah".

They have totally closed the door of reasoning. I was asking myself, "can't this man reason it wasn't Nabi that ordered or advice this Sahabi to practice such healing! That Sahabi only recited what came to his mind perhaps based on ayah that says Quran is cure". So, according to Jabata and his likes, if I decided not to recite Fatiha or I recited it alongside ayat Qursiyy, then that is Bid'ah.


* I attended one of their lectures in Fatima mosque, around Sabo line, Ilorin during Ramadan, years back. One Abdullah Ajikobi was lecturing on sectarianism in Islam. While it doesn't even took him any minute before he condemned all Muslims into hell fire, and proudly said, "àwa gangan ni AhluSunnah", that day, he passed fatwa that all Muslims that practice nafila oru during Ramadan i. e " Rakat memo, salama merin, Fatiha kan Qul huwallahu meta etc" will enter Jahanam (hell fire)". I was shocked.


* Another idiot, Abu Ibeji, Jabata's deputy in Ibadan declares that "genotype (before marriage) and family planning is haram". He said if there is anything like genotype, Nabi would have said so because Nabi was the best Scientist. And he said, " eyin ti eba ti tèle Sunnah ni e ma ni kokoro buruku ninu èjè yin o. Àwa ti an tèlé Sunnah, a free".

# The worst part of this kind of fanaticism is that if at the end their child/ren died due to let say sickle cell anaemia, they will say, "Bi Allah se ko ni yen o. Ki se kokoro inu èjè kankan o".


# Unfortunately, this is the kind of mentality winning souls among youths of today. So, I seriously doubt if this is 20th century.

^^^^

Really sad.I don't understand this silly mentality they developed. I raised this incident of sahaba''s trip to a village and their activities, how they used their ijtihad etc, in this thread last year. https://www.nairaland.com/3301071/muhammad-alee-jabata-not-among/3#48821847

And this thread by contact17 aka snapscore aka Mofpearl ?

https://www.nairaland.com/3295180/lets-talk-alfa-fulan-really

Despite this they still closed the door of reasoning.

shameless lairs.... Just tell people the lecture title where he said that... So they can listen and see your shameless lies

AlBaqir:
* Another idiot, Abu Ibeji, Jabata's deputy in Ibadan declares that "genotype (before marriage) and family planning is haram". He said if there is anything like genotype, Nabi would have said so because Nabi was the best Scientist. And he said, " eyin ti eba ti tèle Sunnah ni e ma ni kokoro buruku ninu èjè yin o. Àwa ti an tèlé Sunnah, a free". # The worst part of this kind of fanaticism is that if at the end their child/ren died due to let say sickle cell anaemia, they will say, "Bi Allah se ko ni yen o. Ki se kokoro inu èjè kankan o".# Unfortunately, this is the kind of mentality winning souls among youths of today. So, I seriously doubt if this is 20th century.

Aguntan ti so oro tan, o ni "NKAN N BEEEEEEE"

AlBaqir:
* Another idiot, Abu Ibeji, Jabata's deputy in Ibadan declares that "genotype (before marriage) and family planning is haram". He said if there is anything like genotype, Nabi would have said so because Nabi was the best Scientist. And he said, " eyin ti eba ti tèle Sunnah ni e ma ni kokoro buruku ninu èjè yin o. Àwa ti an tèlé Sunnah, a free".

Cant imagine watching his lips moved up/down when he said bolded. That would annoy me so bad

AhluSunnah:
shameless lairs.... Just tell people the lecture title where he said that... So they can listen and see your shameless lies

Here's the link:
https://voiceofthesalaf.files./2016/11/ibj23102016-genotype-istikhara.mp3

You claim to follow those retarded terrorists yet you don't listen to their propagated misguidance.

Rilwayne001:
Aguntan ti so oro tan, o ni "NKAN N BEEEEEEE"

Lol...I tried to understand what you typed. Just figured it out now

Yoruba is easily said than read

Empiree:
Lol...I tried to understand what you typed. Just figured it out now

Yoruba is easily said than read

Or maybe you are losing touch of it.

Rilwayne001:
Aguntan ti so oro tan, o ni "NKAN N BEEEEEEE"

# Wallahi, Nkan n beeeee o. You can imagine distributing Bid'ah (hell fire) for whoever eat with spoon. And when Jabata was asked, "how do we drink èko gbóná", he said, " only solid food you cannot eat with spoon. Is èko liquid? Èko is semi-solid. And some people are fond of cutting moinmoin inside èko gbonna.

Really those guys are disgrace to Islam. They are complete menace to society. However, there campaign will eventually fail and fade off in this "civilised" Yoruba society.

ikupakuti:
Sanctimoniously you mean. They dare not adhere to the fullest! They only quote them when they want to sell their rustic ideology.



When you read the exploits of our early scientists, you cant but pity the muslims of today. The muslims have advanced in all these fields when the whole of europe was still sleeping! The muslims developed the process of crystallization, precipitation, distillation & sublimation. If not for the crusade, the muslim spain would have been the capital of chemistry today.

It was on record that this same JABIR is true father of modern chemistry. He is said to have written over 5 hundred treaties! On chemistry alone!

Like the author of THE SPIRIT OF ISLAM said : “CHEMISTRY, AS A SCIENCE, IS UNQUESTIONABLY THE INVENTION OF THE MUSLIMS“

but then not under such superannuated & antiquated mentality being projected by these people!

Today, we are forced to lick the ar.ses of the non-muslims when it comes to advancement!

Contemporary scholar who speaks on this historical facts is Sheikh Abdullah Quick. He always calls our attention to these things, but unfortunately, these religious arrogance would label him and the likes 'heretic' once they determined his ideology is differs from theirs. Abdulkabir or the like already did that here before. And if you go to their core website, they reddened (crossed out) faces of muslim scholars that they are not allied with and tagged them "alhubid'a"

AlBaqir:
# Wallahi, Nkan n beeeee o. You can imagine distributing Bid'ah (hell fire) for whoever eat with spoon. And when Jabata was asked, "how do we drink èko gbóná", he said, " only solid food you cannot eat with spoon. Is èko liquid? Èko is semi-solid. And some people are fond of cutting moinmoin inside èko gbonna.

Really those guys are disgrace to Islam. They are complete menace to society. However, there campaign will eventually fail and fade off in this "civilised" Yoruba society.

Certainly.

AlBaqir:
Here's the link:
https://voiceofthesalaf.files./2016/11/ibj23102016-genotype-istikhara.mp3

You claim to follow those retarded terrorists yet you don't listen to their propagated misguidance.

TO KNOW THE TRUTH, PLEASE DOWNLOAD THE LECTURE#anybody reading this# to know who is wr0ng or right... our

AhluSunnah:
TO KNOW THE TRUTH, PLEASE DOWNLOAD THE LECTURE#anybody reading this# to know who is wr0ng or right... our

# Don't twist here o. Did that terrorist Abu ibeja said those retard statement I quoted or not?

AlBaqir:
Here's the link:
https://voiceofthesalaf.files./2016/11/ibj23102016-genotype-istikhara.mp3

You claim to follow those retarded terrorists yet you don't listen to their propagated misguidance.

Just finished listening to this. Raise some point but definitely wong on this genotype stuff. It has nothing to do with what he think. Funny enough he said, blood is blood. No difference. Thats truth from another percepective but in this context?. No. If blood is blood, why do medical practitioners wear gloves when treating patients?. Isn't this meant to avoid contact with infections. He closed his door on ijtihad. Unfortunately though, i cant defend Alaro. He is also critical of some practices like tesuba. So they aint different from my opinion. I guess Ustaz Alaro is not Salafi enough for him.

Funny the man said genotype is like "ka ma wo ise" (fortunetelling). They have a lot to learn but they arent ready for that.

Well, from online dictionary, definition of Jabata comes from "Jabato" (adjective) which means 'brave'. Its noun means YOUNG & BOAR daredevil. So to elaborate, Jabata comes from Jabato a slang in spain which means tough guy, young wild boar, rude, ill-tempered.

Sound like perfect descriptions

AlBaqir:
# Don't twist here o. Did that terrorist Abu ibeja said those retard statement I quoted or not?

I do not debate with kafir. and its a trait of shite to tel lies. . no problem.. let whoever listen to that lecture judge themselves

.

Empiree:
Just finished listening to this. Raise some point but definitely wong on this genotype stuff. It has nothing to do with what he think. Funny enough he said, blood is blood. No difference. Thats truth from another percepective but in this context?. No. If blood is blood, why do medical practitioners wear gloves when treating patients?. Isn't this meant to avoid contact with infections. He closed his door on ijtihad. Unfortunately though, i cant defend Alaro. He is also critical of some practices like tesuba. So they aint different from my opinion. I guess Ustaz Alaro is not Salafi enough for him.

Funny the man said genotype is like "ka ma wo ise" (fortunetelling). They have a lot to learn but they arent ready for that.

Well, from online dictionary, definition of Jabata comes from "Jabato" (adjective) which means 'brave'. Its noun means YOUNG & BOAR daredevil. So to elaborate, Jabata comes from Jabato a slang in spain which means tough guy, young wild boar, rude, ill-tempered.

Sound like perfect descriptions

# Empiree, blood is not blood o. If someone else blood is given to you and there is no compatibility, one will die ni o.

Sickle cell anaemia patient's blood cells are deformed cells compare to regular oval shape cells.

# So, imagine if an AS marry an AS.

# Then, Jabata and his crew do not believe in transmittable diseases. He had a lecture on this about Ebola. According to him there is nothing called, "àkóràn". You believe in it, you become a kafir. So, nothing like transmittable diseases in/via blood.

# Yeah Alaro is not Salafi enough in Jabata and his shaytan's crew assessment. Alaro is sometimes reasonable, however he too is not far different from them.

# 99% of Jabata's lectures is about " rodu, rodu, rodu" and abusing and calling of names will start from first minute till the end ni. So, all that dictionary meaning suit him perfectly. Although he's not Yoruba Ilorin. He's Fulanian. The word "Jabata" is Fulanian.

# Unfortunately, Ilorin is producing nothing in alfaship than terrorists, fanatics, comedian, juju practitioners etc.