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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by chrisooblog: 3:13pm On Jul 26, 2017
bros e tire me. akpeyi that was even second choice at the rio olympics what sense does it make that he is the super eagles number 1 when he couldn't even displace an u23 goalkeeper. i find it even funnier that to defend akpeyi some people are bringing out old mistakes and unrelated performances of ikeme to justify akpeyi's poor form
TheGoodJoe:
Thank you very much. The bolded is the point. We are looking for the best Nigerian keeper. Whether he is on the bench in one team or in the local League or regular in Europe is not what we need. We need the best hand in goal. If the keeper is the best, with series of games in the Super Eagles, clubs will come for him or make him a regular in Europe.

It is time we kick out sentiments in our analysis and keep searching for the best in each role.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 3:33pm On Jul 26, 2017
goldfish80:
Are you sure Akpeyi is not better than what we have in the npfl? You do realize Akpeyi was the best keeper in Nigeria when he helped Heartland to a champions league final and 2 Fa cups? He is the vice Captain of his team in SA. Former Nigeria youth international. I mean who in the npfl have something close to this resume?
Take a look at his ratings against South Africa in 2015, for goodness sake he made the top 3 performers in Africa that week by africanfootball.com



Daniel Akpeyi – South Africa 1-1 Nigeria – 29 March, Nelspruit

In the wake of Vincent Enyeama collecting his 100th cap for Nigeria against Uganda last week, Daniel Akpeyi demonstrated that the Super Eagles have enviable goalkeeping depth with an excellent display against South Africa that included several excellent saves, one of them denying Andile Jali from the penalty spot.

http://africanfootball.com/news/521561/Three-top-African-performances

After the SA game Rohr said the goals conceded were not his fault.
'These kind of games are very difficult for goalkeepers. The possibility was to bring in [Ikechukwu] Ezenwa or [Dele] Alampasu, but I think [the goals] was not the fault of the goalkeeper.

I understand people are more confident with Ikeme but the truth is that he is not infallible and in his absence Akpeyi is capable of deputizing. The unfair witch hunt against Akpeyi tells me the fans are the biggest problem of this team.
I think it was a masterstroke for the nff to employ an extra psychologist for this team especially to work with the goalkeepers.
Akpeyi is not it. We should not use sentiments when selecting players, that's the problem I have with our local coaches, Aloy Agu chose him on the day and Rohr being a professional relied on his judgement which was flawed. Read somewhere the NFF has appointed another goal keeper trainer to work or it Agu based on Rohrs recommendation. Akpeyi has no business in that team. He will not be called up against Cameroon.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 3:46pm On Jul 26, 2017
Even the much celebrated Abiodun Baruwa of 3SC fame was in the bench when young Joeseph Dosu was in goal for Nigeria at the Atlanta Olympics. Who later became SE's first choice after the olympics? - Dosu of course. Like I said the days of Akpeyi is numbered in SE.

I won't be surprised when he becomes 3rd choice by year end


chrisooblog:
bros e tire me. akpeyi that was even second choice at the rio olympics what sense does it make that he is the super eagles number 1 when he couldn't even displace an u23 goalkeeper. i find it even funnier that to defend akpeyi some people are bringing out old mistakes and unrelated performances of ikeme to justify akpeyi's poor form
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 4:17pm On Jul 26, 2017
Truidstar:
Akpeyi is not it. We should not use sentiments when selecting players, that's the problem I have with our local coaches, Aloy Agu chose him on the day and Rohr being a professional relied on his judgement which was flawed. Read somewhere the NFF has appointed another goal keeper trainer to work or it Agu based on Rohrs recommendation. Akpeyi has no business in that team. He will not be called up against Cameroon.
Granted Akpeyi is not world class but can you do me a favour, point out those "blunders" of his that cost us games he have manned the post.
If you struggle to list those obvious errors that lead to goals then you're being unfair, shall we?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:20pm On Jul 26, 2017
goldfish80:
I have also seen youngsters who were given chances too early and they bombed, nothing was ever heard of them again.
So do not select based on young or old. Or based on game time or no game time. Those are sentimental choices. Come up with a strategic indicator system, screen and select the best keepers. The best should mount the goal.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 4:23pm On Jul 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
So do not select based on young or old. Or based on game time or no game time. Those are sentimental choices. Come up with a strategic indicator system, screen and select the best keepers. The best should mount the goal.
You're can't be serious. Let's use the world champions as a case study. In their championship winning team, list the bench warmers you know.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:27pm On Jul 26, 2017
goldfish80:
You're can't be serious. Let's use the world champions as a case study. In their championship winning team, list the bench warmers you know.
Continue.

With the level of European top teams club level, it is easy for them to find their best players in quality clubs and in starting positions. For Nigerians, it is not the same. You can be a top quality player and find yourself on the bench or trapped in the local League. That is why the National teams serve as a route of exposure to a lot of players.

This is pure common sense.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 4:31pm On Jul 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Continue.

With the level of European top teams club level, it is easy for them to find their best players in quality clubs and in starting positions. For Nigerians, it is not the same. You can be a top quality player and find yourself on the bench or trapped in the local League. That is why the National teams serve as a route of exposure to a lot of players.

This is pure common sense.
You honestly expect a team to do well with a make up of bench warmers?
In our AFCON winning team of 2013, who and who were bench warmers for their clubs?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 5:17pm On Jul 26, 2017
goldfish80:
Granted Akpeyi is not world class but can you do me a favour, point out those "blunders" of his that cost us games he have manned the post.
If you struggle to list those obvious errors that lead to goals then you're being unfair, shall we?
Not blunders but school boy errors, case in point, our match against Algeria, he was flaffing around and a bunch of nerves . Simple balls he should have caught he fluffed. The goal scored by Algeria showed he is not it, a better goal keeper would have made a decent attempt to palm the missile , our dear Akpeyi's spirit was willing but his flesh failed to react. Don't get me started about the match against South Africa. We need to move on. Anyone but Akpeyi.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 6:48pm On Jul 26, 2017
Truidstar:
Not blunders but school boy errors, case in point, our match against Algeria, he was flaffing around and a bunch of nerves . Simple balls he should have caught he fluffed. The goal scored by Algeria showed he is not it, a better goal keeper would have made a decent attempt to palm the missile , our dear Akpeyi's spirit was willing but his flesh failed to react. Don't get me started about the match against South Africa. We need to move on. Anyone but Akpeyi.
supported, but since we hav a new GK trainer, lets see what he can bring out of AKPEYI,


cos AGU does not do anytin to charge him up
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Humility017(m): 7:30pm On Jul 26, 2017
do4luv14:
supported, but since we hav a new GK trainer, lets see what he can bring out of AKPEYI,


cos AGU does not do anytin to charge him up
agu and yusuf are not serious.....
just read somewhere that ezenwa have been made the CHAN eagles captain...
meaning he is likely gonna play virtually all the matches thereby depriving the other goalies the Apple time to prove themselves
wit the way agu and yusuf are going about it...it means ezenwa and China akas. .... already have their guarantee shirts...they will both make the final list....
serious minded and fair coaches will name their captains after the trimming of the team list....giving all players fair chance to lay claim for their shirt and fight for their place.....
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon79(m): 7:35pm On Jul 26, 2017
Some of you guys are horrible....horrible!!!

So you have to trash Ikeme just so you can defend Akpeyi? Unbelievable!

Listen, every goalkeeper, even the best goalkeeper in the world, makes mistakes. The problem we have with Akpeyi is that he lacks the basic fundamentals of a good goalkeeper. He flaps basic crosses. Can't defend his area. Lacks basic command of his zone. Lacks confidence in goal.

You can't see Ikeme making some of the elementary school errors. No one is saying that Carl is world class, but he's totally a class or two above Akpeyi.


O pari

goldfish80:
Ikeme became the first choice goalkeeper for Wolves in the 2013 season. Mind you, this guy is 31 years old. He only became first choice for his club at 28.
In England, he is considered average who has had a fair share of his own gaffes down the years. You can see some of them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbX3vYoMf5k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3r7wwvEYkM

Even last season he had a few shockers. You may not know this because you don't follow the English championship but that's the reality. Ikeme is not world class like some have been thinking. His case have become absence making the heart grow fonder.

The goals he conceeded against Zambia and Egypt are just identical to the ones Akpeyi considered. But people want to kill Akpeyi.

We have to be real, we don't have any proper world class goalkeeper.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:52pm On Jul 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
So do not select based on young or old. Or based on game time or no game time. Those are sentimental choices. Come up with a strategic indicator system, screen and select the best keepers. The best should mount the goal.
Like as if a scientific indicator is tied to every player's head such that as he is being "drilled" he will be scoring points.

If age does not matter why then do we have age grade competitions?

Let Iheabacho and Co go and play with U17 players and you have to use a "strategic indicator system" to know who would be better.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 8:23pm On Jul 26, 2017
Nwakaeme worked a full shift an scored the first of two goals for Beer Sheva in their 2-0 win over Ludogorets in the 1st leg of Champions Leagu qualification. Super Eagles midfielder, John Ogu was also on for Sheva for the entire duration but was cautioned in the dying minutes of the game.

In another match, Club Brugge currently lead Baseksihir of Turkey 1-0, thanks to Dennis Bournaventure
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:29pm On Jul 26, 2017
goldfish80:
You honestly expect a team to do well with a make up of bench warmers?
In our AFCON winning team of 2013, who and who were bench warmers for their clubs?

I said our best players in each role. I doubt that is too difficult to understand.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:34pm On Jul 26, 2017
Icon4s:
Like as if a scientific indicator is tied to every player's head such that as he is being "drilled" he will be scoring points.

If age does not matter why then do we have age grade competitions?

Let Iheabacho and Co go and play with U17 players and you have to use a "strategic indicator system" to know who would be better.
Oh God of Israel. What do you think scouting and screening processes is about? There are attributes you look out for and drills to select those that meet these attributes.

Or you think is by looking at Game time?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 8:42pm On Jul 26, 2017
Joebie:
Nwakaeme worked a full shift an scored the first of two goals for Beer Sheva in their 2-0 win over Ludogorets in the 1st leg of Champions Leagu qualification. Super Eagles midfielder, John Ogu was also on for Sheva for the entire duration but was cautioned in the dying minutes of the game.

In another match, Club Brugge currently lead Baseksihir of Turkey 1-0, thanks to Dennis Bournaventure
Nwakaeme is looking very good even though. Would love to see him and Ogu in the champions league.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:50pm On Jul 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Oh God of Israel. What do you think scouting and screening processes is about? There are attributes you look out for and drills to select those that meet these attributes.

Or you think is by looking at Game time?
Kai! my brother, I wish you can see me here laughing. This your drills and game time talk......
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:01pm On Jul 26, 2017
Icon4s:
Kai! my brother, I wish you can see me here laughing. This your drills and game time talk......
While I am shocked that you do not know that coaches drill players for attributes to make selection.
Read this excerpt to hhave a brief knowledge of the coaching process. This has to do with the technological addition to accelerate the process and make it more accurate.



Small devices worn on the body monitor key performance metrics such as distance, speed, and heart rate of those who wear it.

Boots record player-specific data with an innovative miCoach Speed Cell chip placed in the cavity of the outsole, which captures 360 degree movements.

Coaches examine data to analyse where players thrive - and where they need to improve.


Note the last line.


Heart-rate, distance, speed, sprints-per-session and durability of players had all been scrutinised in great detail in the build-up to the showdown at the Maracana.

And, due to the delicately-poised nature of the final - it was 0-0 after 88 minutes - Low turned to his bench, saw his personnel and utilised the data he had at his disposal, claims Norman.

Gotze's numbers - he was proved to be more effective during five-on-five sessions - helped Low make the decision to give him the nod.

Germany's backroom staff had done the number crunching. They had scrutinised the data. Gotze could make the difference - and so it proved.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2902431/The-technology-Germany-used-win-World-Cup-Premier-League-sides-secret.html

On field decisions made from drill sessions on the training pitch. Please keep laughing.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:06pm On Jul 26, 2017
Icon4s:
Kai! my brother, I wish you can see me here laughing. This your drills and game time talk......
A coach who can not come up with an evidence based strategy with indicators to pick out the best players for each role, is that one a coach?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by ChrisKels: 9:15pm On Jul 26, 2017
Joebie:
Nwakaeme worked a full shift an scored the first of two goals for Beer Sheva in their 2-0 win over Ludogorets in the 1st leg of Champions Leagu qualification. Super Eagles midfielder, John Ogu was also on for Sheva for the entire duration but was cautioned in the dying minutes of the game.

In another match, Club Brugge currently lead Baseksihir of Turkey 1-0, thanks to Dennis Bournaventure
This Bournaventure boy is gonna be one hell of a striker in Belgium this season. I have my eyes on him.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:23pm On Jul 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
While I am shocked that you do not know that coaches drill players for attributes to make selection.
Read this excerpt to hhave a brief knowledge of the coaching process. This has to do with the technological addition to accelerate the process and make it more accurate.



Small devices worn on the body monitor key performance metrics such as distance, speed, and heart rate of those who wear it.

Boots record player-specific data with an innovative miCoach Speed Cell chip placed in the cavity of the outsole, which captures 360 degree movements.

Coaches examine data to analyse where players thrive - and where they need to improve.


Note the last line.


Heart-rate, distance, speed, sprints-per-session and durability of players had all been scrutinised in great detail in the build-up to the showdown at the Maracana.

And, due to the delicately-poised nature of the final - it was 0-0 after 88 minutes - Low turned to his bench, saw his personnel and utilised the data he had at his disposal, claims Norman.

Gotze's numbers - he was proved to be more effective during five-on-five sessions - helped Low make the decision to give him the nod.

Germany's backroom staff had done the number crunching. They had scrutinised the data. Gotze could make the difference - and so it proved.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2902431/The-technology-Germany-used-win-World-Cup-Premier-League-sides-secret.html

On field decisions made from drill sessions on the training pitch. Please keep laughing.
I laugh again.

So you think results of such scientific devices are absolute?

My brother, selecting players for a match day squad goes way way beyond that.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 9:26pm On Jul 26, 2017
Humility017:
agu and yusuf are not serious.....
just read somewhere that ezenwa have been made the CHAN eagles captain...
meaning he is likely gonna play virtually all the matches thereby depriving the other goalies the Apple time to prove themselves
wit the way agu and yusuf are going about it...it means ezenwa and China akas. .... already have their guarantee shirts...they will both make the final list....
serious minded and fair coaches will name their captains after the trimming of the team list....giving all players fair chance to lay claim for their shirt and fight for their place.....
from start there is nothing to write about Yusuf, but AGU, seriously I dnt know wat his problem is,

with the way he goes about AKPEYI it seems as if his hands had been greased
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:30pm On Jul 26, 2017
Icon4s:
I laugh again.

So you think results of such scientific devices are absolute?

My brother, selecting players for a match day squad goes way way beyond that.
Hian. Which one is that your saying? I am saying you screen and select players through an indicator based system. You say goes beyond that. If you feel it is beyond that, then you agree it should be there. So what was the laughing about?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:34pm On Jul 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Hian. Which one is that your saying? I am saying you screen and select players through an indicator based system. You say goes beyond that. If you feel it is beyond that, then you agree it should be there. So what was the laughing about?
Your absolute dependence on drills and nothing but drills. That is what is funny.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:35pm On Jul 26, 2017
Icon4s:
I laugh again.

So you think results of such scientific devices are absolute?

My brother, selecting players for a match day squad goes way way beyond that.
It is not just technology. It is about the attributes. The technology just makes picking the attributes easier and more comprehensive.

A good example was when Siasia took over the Super Eagles. He invited a large number of players. First thing he did was stamina drills. Put them on high intensity stamina drills and cut out those who could not meet up.

That shows he needs players who can work hard on the pitch. Those that scaled through will go through another phase. He continues till he gets the best in each role. It is a system. Not just game time or experience.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:37pm On Jul 26, 2017
Icon4s:
Your absolute dependence on drills and nothing but drills. That is what is funny.
I ask again. What do you think coaches do on the training pitch for days with the players? Most of the work goes into drills. Next, tactical sessions and then scrimmage games to enact what was thought. So a coach not selecting through drills does not know his job.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Humility017(m): 9:38pm On Jul 26, 2017
do4luv14:
from start there is nothing to write about Yusuf, but AGU, seriously I dnt know wat his problem is,

with the way he goes about AKPEYI it seems as if his hands had been greased
I won't be surprised if it proves true...
I have no trust for these coaches......
I still remember how keshi made again look like world best goalie.....
I just don't understand why our indigenous coaches don't dream of one day securing a job possible in Europe or coaching renowed clubs like Chelsea etc using the national team job as a ladder to get to this height
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:47pm On Jul 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
It is not just technology. It is about the attributes. The technology just makes picking the attributes easier and more comprehensive.

A good example was when Siasia took over the Super Eagles. He invited a large number of players. First thing he did was stamina drills. Put them on high intensity stamina drills and cut out those who could not meet up.

That shows he needs players who can work hard on the pitch. Those that scaled through will go through another phase. He continues till he gets the best in each role. It is a system. Not just game time or experience.
Same Siasia that preferred parading his boys.

I can see you were with them during the "drills".
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:49pm On Jul 26, 2017
Icon4s:
Same Siasia that preferred parading his boys.

I can see you were with them during the "drills".
To you it is just parading the boys but to those who followed the session pointed out how players did not meet up to his routines.

So you can keep laughing.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:57pm On Jul 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
To you it is just parading the boys but to those who followed the session pointed out how players did not meet up to his routines.

So you can keep laughing.
Like Chikatara, Isaac Success, Aaron Samuel and Fenan Ardi all limped out of training. And left camp with various degrees of injuries.

Segun Oduduwa may never play football again because of Siasia's drills.

You think I don't understand what drills are? I laugh.

So Rohr will have to go and perform drills for all the super eagles potential invitees before drawing a list of those to invite?

You say game time and experience do not matter. I just dey look you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:02pm On Jul 26, 2017
Icon4s:
Like Chikatara, Isaac Success, Aaron Samuel and Fenan Ardi all limped out of training. And left camp with various degrees of injuries.

Segun Oduduwa may never play football again because of Siasia's drills.

You think I don't understand what drills are? I laugh.

So Rohr will have to go and perform drills for all the super eagles potential invitees before drawing a list of those to invite?

You say game time and experience do not matter. I just dey look you.
I guess I have to explain everything. Why do you think Rohr has a video analyst in his technical crew? This is to used a video based monitoring system to screen players too.. There are other systems to select before you come up with those you will invite to camp.

Then those in camp will go through series of drills during the training sessions before you come up with the final list.
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