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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 10:06pm On Jul 26, 2017
Joebie:
Nwakaeme worked a full shift an scored the first of two goals for Beer Sheva in their 2-0 win over Ludogorets in the 1st leg of Champions Leagu qualification. Super Eagles midfielder, John Ogu was also on for Sheva for the entire duration but was cautioned in the dying minutes of the game.

In another match, Club Brugge currently lead Baseksihir of Turkey 1-0, thanks to Dennis Bournaventure
Wow, bournaventure is really cutting it with his new team, wishing him an injury free season and a season full of goals.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 10:28pm On Jul 26, 2017
Icon79:
Some of you guys are horrible....horrible!!!

So you have to trash Ikeme just so you can defend Akpeyi? Unbelievable!

Listen, every goalkeeper, even the best goalkeeper in the world, makes mistakes. The problem we have with Akpeyi is that he lacks the basic fundamentals of a good goalkeeper. He flaps basic crosses. Can't defend his area. Lacks basic command of his zone. Lacks confidence in goal.

You can't see Ikeme making some of the elementary school errors. No one is saying that Carl is world class, but he's totally a class or two above Akpeyi.


O pari
Well, you let sentiments get the better part of you. Obviously, you were not following my line of convo with Joebie. I specifically replied his comment that Akepyi was not highly rated in South Africa. And the truth is that Ikeme is not exactly highly rated in the championship.
Your arguments that I was trashing Ikeme would have been valid if I doctored those videos, but they are as real as they come.

If you come carry am for head like gala. Na you sabi.

O pari.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 10:40pm On Jul 26, 2017
Truidstar:
Not blunders but school boy errors, case in point, our match against Algeria, he was flaffing around and a bunch of nerves . Simple balls he should have caught he fluffed. The goal scored by Algeria showed he is not it, a better goal keeper would have made a decent attempt to palm the missile , our dear Akpeyi's spirit was willing but his flesh failed to react. Don't get me started about the match against South Africa. We need to move on. Anyone but Akpeyi.
That was a pitch of a goal from Bentaleb that went straight to the roof. Zidane scored such a goal at the 2002 champions league finals. I wonder what is school boy about conceding such a goal.
Outside being overly emotional, you guys haven't been able to come up with something concrete to nail this guy.

Even Ike shorumu have come out and said that he was not at fault for any of the goals against SA. What is this paranoia all about?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:52pm On Jul 26, 2017
Javier Hernandez, Kelechi Iheanacho prove that classic striker role is dying


One stands top of the table, the other seventh. They are surrounded by the striking greats of the Premier League era and, rather incongruously, Adam Le Fondre. They sandwich Sergio Aguero, Harry Kane, Thierry Henry and Ruud van Nistelrooy. They both lead Luis Suarez, Robin van Persie, Alan Shearer and Michael Owen.

They are Kelechi Iheanacho and Javier Hernandez. The Nigeria international has the best goal-per-minute ratio in the division's history, while the Mexico striker is not far behind. Iheanacho averages a top-flight goal every 106 minutes in England; Hernandez, one every 130. They are defined, distinguished, differentiated and (curiously) damned by the numbers.

Because they are bound for the sides that finished 12th and 11th last season, both represent men at the top of the scoring charts heading for bottom-half sides. Hernandez has joined West Ham, while Iheanacho is seemingly headed for Leicester. They are transfers that seem to double up as coups for the division's middle-class, and indictments of the aristocrats who ignored the claims of proven predators.

Should they play every minute of this season, statistics suggests Iheanacho would strike 32 times and Hernandez 26. The alternative argument is that they won't -- men who have filled bit-part roles for much of their time in England are unaccustomed to such a workload. As forwards who have benefited from superior supply lines at the Manchester clubs, they'll be fashioned with fewer chances in lesser outfits. Moreover, as replacements who have prospered against tiring defences, they may find it harder when charged with starting games.

But they also point to a footballing trend. The "specialist predator" is an endangered species. The trend towards one-striker systems heightens the need for a multi-dimensional forward -- someone capable of holding the ball up, providing a focal point, leading the line alone and serving as supplier and scorer in different contexts. That shift in thinking is amplified at the elite level.

Pep Guardiola has long been a trendsetter. He inherited two out-and-out goalscorers last summer. He is set to exile one (Iheanacho) and has reinvented the other (Aguero). Guardiola seemed proudest of the second-highest scorer in City's history after a game in which he failed to find the net. "He made an amazing, amazing performance. Sergio played, wow, like I didn't see for a long time," he said after May's win over West Bromwich Albion.

Aguero's evolution from predator to all-round performer can be traced in the statistics. Last season he scored 20 league goals on 1322 touches of the ball. The previous campaign, he mustered 24 off of 1258. That makes for a goal every 52 touches, compared to one every 66 in 2016-17. In other words, he became busier under Guardiola.

Even so, only Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku required fewer touches on average to score among premier marksmen. Diego Costa scored every 88 touches and Zlatan Ibrahimovic every 83, figures that illustrate a target man's many duties. Alexis Sanchez's work in wider and deeper areas is reflected by the numbers: He scored every 103 touches. At the opposite end of the spectrum from Hernandez and Iheanacho, Roberto Firmino -- the defensively conscious false nine who serves as the antithesis of the penalty-box poachers -- averaged a goal every 205 touches.

Then look at Hernandez's figures, particularly from his prime at Old Trafford. He averaged a Premier League goal every 47 touches in 2010-11, one every 54 the following year and one every 40 in 2012-13. Viewed one way, he is astonishingly efficient. Viewed another, he did little else except get caught offside (41 times in 2011-12 alone).

The increasing evidence is that mid-table and relegation-threatened clubs are happier with gambling on a player who can be both a passenger and a match-winner. Sides that are less likely to have 60 percent of possession -- West Ham and Leicester both averaged a minority share last season -- do not need anyone to be involved in the build-up.

Jermain Defoe, another finisher supreme acquired by a mid-table club, Bournemouth, is a case in point. He only started 57 of the last 139 league games in his second spell at Tottenham. At Sunderland last season, his 15 league goals came every 55 touches; his 15 the previous year came at a rate of one per 51. He was so potent that even a manager like Sam Allardyce selected him, despite his historic preference for physical forwards.

Defoe has more similarities with Hernandez (who plays on the last defender) than Iheanacho, who sometimes wandered around in the No. 10 area behind Aguero when they were paired. The common denominator between the trio, however, is their relatively low level of involvement in the rest of the game. They are scorers, pure and simple -- men who do the most important job in football but not for its most important clubs.

This is not to say they're incapable of doing so; they have proved as much with many a significant strike. Indeed, Iheanacho and Hernandez's capacity to find the net as substitutes rendered them the perfect 12th men. Except that they were used too infrequently on either side of Manchester, with the former playing just 528 minutes of Premier League football last season and latter recording only 840 in his last full campaign at Old Trafford.

Iheanacho and Hernandez were underused and unused in Manchester, and seem to be appreciated more in lowlier surroundings. They are two of very few footballers outside the top seven clubs with the capacity to score 20 Premier League goals. Nevertheless, their relegation to bottom-half sides suggest the penalty-box player is an anachronism at the top of the table.

http://kwese.espn.com/football/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3164791/javier-hernandez-kelechi-iheanacho-prove-classic-striker-role-is-dying-out
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon79(m): 10:54pm On Jul 26, 2017
Haha @O pari. You don kolo finis be dat one.

Yea, my bad, I haven't followed the argument you were trying to make on this topic. However, what I was just trying to argue against is the tendency of some forumers to bring down one player so they can promote their preferred players. But I do apologize tho, if that's not what you were trying to do here.

O pari

goldfish80:
Well, you let sentiments get the better part of you. Obviously, you were not following my line of convo with Joebie. I specifically replied his comment that Akepyi was not highly rated in South Africa. And the truth is that Ikeme is not exactly highly rated in the championship.
Your arguments that I was trashing Ikeme would have been valid if I doctored those videos, but they are as real as they come.

If you come carry am for head like gala. Na you sabi.

O pari.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:58pm On Jul 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
I guess I have to explain everything. Why do you think Rohr has a video analyst in his technical crew? This is to used a video based monitoring system to screen players too.. There are other systems to select before you come up with those you will invite to camp.

Then those in camp will go through series of drills during the training sessions before you come up with the final list.
Does the video analyst go to clubs to monitor those players? Is it not after the players have been invited to camp before any video monitoring will take place?

So what are those other systems to select before you come up with those you will invite to camp, as you put it?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 11:24pm On Jul 26, 2017
It is absolutely clear that Ezenwa will be in goal against Cameroun.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 11:44pm On Jul 26, 2017
Joebie:
Nwakaeme worked a full shift an scored the first of two goals for Beer Sheva in their 2-0 win over Ludogorets in the 1st leg of Champions Leagu qualification. Super Eagles midfielder, John Ogu was also on for Sheva for the entire duration but was cautioned in the dying minutes of the game.

In another match, Club Brugge currently lead Baseksihir of Turkey 1-0, thanks to Dennis Bournaventure
that's my boy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:46pm On Jul 26, 2017
Daninya11:
It is absolutely clear that Ezenwa will be in goal against Cameroun.
What happened to Akpeyi?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 4:31am On Jul 27, 2017
September 1st and 4th are the dates for the Cameroon match..

Is Mikel back?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 7:41am On Jul 27, 2017
Icon79:
Haha @O pari. You don kolo finis be dat one.

Yea, my bad, I haven't followed the argument you were trying to make on this topic. However, what I was just trying to argue against is the tendency of some forumers to bring down one player so they can promote their preferred players. But I do apologize tho, if that's not what you were trying to do here.

O pari
I'm not trashing anybody but, I mean virtually everyone on this forum have been trashing Akpeyi for throwing the SA match, but none can really prove that his specific error(s) lead to the goals.
We have heard Rohr and Shorunmu come out and absolved him of blame for that 2nd goal but it appears our minds have been made up.

Sometimes I wonder if the guy is less Nigerian than everybody in that team.

O' pari
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 8:18am On Jul 27, 2017
Icon4s:
What happened to Akpeyi?
It is widely believed that the GK that start in goal against Benin Republic will be in goal against Cameroun.

As for Akpeyi,his last game was against South Africa.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by zicky(m): 9:00am On Jul 27, 2017
goldfish80:
I'm not trashing anybody but, I mean virtually everyone on this forum have been trashing Akpeyi for throwing the SA match, but none can really prove that his specific error(s) lead to the goals.
We have heard Rohr and Shorunmu come out and absolved him of blame for that 2nd goal but it appears our minds have been made up.

Sometimes I wonder if the guy is less Nigerian than everybody in that team.

O' pari
I think you are the one hanging other forumite comments to the SA match, I don't see Akpeyi as a good keeper, a keeper that can save his team when the defence fail same way I don't rate Valdez. I can provide many blunders from Buffon or Oliver kahn bt that will never bring down their rating
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:39am On Jul 27, 2017
Daninya11:
It is widely believed that the GK that start in goal against Benin Republic will be in goal against Cameroun.

As for Akpeyi,his last game was against South Africa.
Loz!!!!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:43am On Jul 27, 2017
goldfish80:
I'm not trashing anybody but, I mean virtually everyone on this forum have been trashing Akpeyi for throwing the SA match, but none can really prove that his specific error(s) lead to the goals.
We have heard Rohr and Shorunmu come out and absolved him of blame for that 2nd goal but it appears our minds have been made up.

Sometimes I wonder if the guy is less Nigerian than everybody in that team.

O' pari
Bros me inclusive?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m):
Icon4s:
Does the video analyst go to clubs to monitor those players? Is it not after the players have been invited to camp before any video monitoring will take place?

So what are those other systems to select before you come up with those you will invite to camp, as you put it?
No. He starts by studying their tapes. Tapes for clubs and country. After that he makes a report on his preliminary findings. From the findings they circle players of interest with different criteria.

Or, do you think the video analyst sits down idle until the players are in camp? He makes a big part of the scouting and surveillance process.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:01am On Jul 27, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
No. He starts by studying their tapes. Tapes for clubs and country. After that he makes a report on his preliminary findings. From the findings they circle players of interest with different criteria.

Or, do you think the video analyst sits down idle until the player are in camp? He makes a big part of the scouting and surveillance process.
So are we referring to games played at club (GAME TIME)? Different criteria like?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:01am On Jul 27, 2017
BascoVanVeli:
Javier Hernandez, Kelechi Iheanacho prove that classic striker role is dying


One stands top of the table, the other seventh. They are surrounded by the striking greats of the Premier League era and, rather incongruously, Adam Le Fondre. They sandwich Sergio Aguero, Harry Kane, Thierry Henry and Ruud van Nistelrooy. They both lead Luis Suarez, Robin van Persie, Alan Shearer and Michael Owen.

They are Kelechi Iheanacho and Javier Hernandez. The Nigeria international has the best goal-per-minute ratio in the division's history, while the Mexico striker is not far behind. Iheanacho averages a top-flight goal every 106 minutes in England; Hernandez, one every 130. They are defined, distinguished, differentiated and (curiously) damned by the numbers.

Because they are bound for the sides that finished 12th and 11th last season, both represent men at the top of the scoring charts heading for bottom-half sides. Hernandez has joined West Ham, while Iheanacho is seemingly headed for Leicester. They are transfers that seem to double up as coups for the division's middle-class, and indictments of the aristocrats who ignored the claims of proven predators.

Should they play every minute of this season, statistics suggests Iheanacho would strike 32 times and Hernandez 26. The alternative argument is that they won't -- men who have filled bit-part roles for much of their time in England are unaccustomed to such a workload. As forwards who have benefited from superior supply lines at the Manchester clubs, they'll be fashioned with fewer chances in lesser outfits. Moreover, as replacements who have prospered against tiring defences, they may find it harder when charged with starting games.

But they also point to a footballing trend. The "specialist predator" is an endangered species. The trend towards one-striker systems heightens the need for a multi-dimensional forward -- someone capable of holding the ball up, providing a focal point, leading the line alone and serving as supplier and scorer in different contexts. That shift in thinking is amplified at the elite level.

Pep Guardiola has long been a trendsetter. He inherited two out-and-out goalscorers last summer. He is set to exile one (Iheanacho) and has reinvented the other (Aguero). Guardiola seemed proudest of the second-highest scorer in City's history after a game in which he failed to find the net. "He made an amazing, amazing performance. Sergio played, wow, like I didn't see for a long time," he said after May's win over West Bromwich Albion.

Aguero's evolution from predator to all-round performer can be traced in the statistics. Last season he scored 20 league goals on 1322 touches of the ball. The previous campaign, he mustered 24 off of 1258. That makes for a goal every 52 touches, compared to one every 66 in 2016-17. In other words, he became busier under Guardiola.

Even so, only Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku required fewer touches on average to score among premier marksmen. Diego Costa scored every 88 touches and Zlatan Ibrahimovic every 83, figures that illustrate a target man's many duties. Alexis Sanchez's work in wider and deeper areas is reflected by the numbers: He scored every 103 touches. At the opposite end of the spectrum from Hernandez and Iheanacho, Roberto Firmino -- the defensively conscious false nine who serves as the antithesis of the penalty-box poachers -- averaged a goal every 205 touches.

Then look at Hernandez's figures, particularly from his prime at Old Trafford. He averaged a Premier League goal every 47 touches in 2010-11, one every 54 the following year and one every 40 in 2012-13. Viewed one way, he is astonishingly efficient. Viewed another, he did little else except get caught offside (41 times in 2011-12 alone).

The increasing evidence is that mid-table and relegation-threatened clubs are happier with gambling on a player who can be both a passenger and a match-winner. Sides that are less likely to have 60 percent of possession -- West Ham and Leicester both averaged a minority share last season -- do not need anyone to be involved in the build-up.

Jermain Defoe, another finisher supreme acquired by a mid-table club, Bournemouth, is a case in point. He only started 57 of the last 139 league games in his second spell at Tottenham. At Sunderland last season, his 15 league goals came every 55 touches; his 15 the previous year came at a rate of one per 51. He was so potent that even a manager like Sam Allardyce selected him, despite his historic preference for physical forwards.

Defoe has more similarities with Hernandez (who plays on the last defender) than Iheanacho, who sometimes wandered around in the No. 10 area behind Aguero when they were paired. The common denominator between the trio, however, is their relatively low level of involvement in the rest of the game. They are scorers, pure and simple -- men who do the most important job in football but not for its most important clubs.

This is not to say they're incapable of doing so; they have proved as much with many a significant strike. Indeed, Iheanacho and Hernandez's capacity to find the net as substitutes rendered them the perfect 12th men. Except that they were used too infrequently on either side of Manchester, with the former playing just 528 minutes of Premier League football last season and latter recording only 840 in his last full campaign at Old Trafford.

Iheanacho and Hernandez were underused and unused in Manchester, and seem to be appreciated more in lowlier surroundings. They are two of very few footballers outside the top seven clubs with the capacity to score 20 Premier League goals. Nevertheless, their relegation to bottom-half sides suggest the penalty-box player is an anachronism at the top of the table.

http://kwese.espn.com/football/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3164791/javier-hernandez-kelechi-iheanacho-prove-classic-striker-role-is-dying-out
Amazing article and an amazing write up. Very educative. I will watch for more Richard Jolly articles.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:09am On Jul 27, 2017
Icon4s:
So are we referring to games played at club (GAME TIME)? Different criteria like?
Criteria like if a player has limited time on the bench, you have a selected study of the data to make an even base for the study of the player. It is a systematic study. Also there is reference of past games to see if the player possess the quality expected in a particular role.

That is why before Rohr begun, he could highlight Osimhen and Etebo as players he will look into.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:12am On Jul 27, 2017
Icon4s:
So are we referring to games played at club (GAME TIME)? Different criteria like?
It is in camp the final in depth study takes place with the invited players. After hat the cycle continues but now the coaching crew have depth in their understanding of those who have worked in camp.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:15am On Jul 27, 2017
I want the best Nigerian keeper in goal. I want an fair, unbiased and thorough selection process done as soon as possible and let the best goalkeeper have a consistent run with time. That is how we will find the true Super Eagles number one. Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:17am On Jul 27, 2017
I am just too happy there is a more professional goalkeeper trainer in the team. At least the bias selection will reduce.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:49am On Jul 27, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Criteria like if a player has limited time on the bench, you have a selected study of the data to make an even base for the study of the player. It is a systematic study. Also there is reference of past games to see if the player possess the quality expected in a particular role.

That is why before Rohr begun, he could highlight Osimhen and Etebo as players he will look into.
But some players never get game time during period of study but get invited. What criterion did they use in that instance?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:45am On Jul 27, 2017
zicky:
I think you are the one hanging other forumite comments to the SA match, I don't see Akpeyi as a good keeper, a keeper that can save his team when the defence fail same way I don't rate Valdez. I can provide many blunders from Buffon or Oliver kahn bt that will never bring down their rating
Against Egypt in Alexandre. Akpeyi was in goal on the day. The Egyptians scored what can be described as a lucky goal via a deflection.
If he wasn't gittery in that high pressure game. How come he became jittery all of a sudden? Abi we are just making things up?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:52am On Jul 27, 2017
Icon4s:
Bros me inclusive?
You're an exception. I sometimes marvel at how you are able to hold your own and not let what people say here influence your sense of judgment.
This should be a dominant character trait every man should have. For that you have my respect.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 12:02pm On Jul 27, 2017
tbaba1234:
September 1st and 4th are the dates for the Cameroon match..

Is Mikel back?
Is Uyo stadium going to host it?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:07pm On Jul 27, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Oh God of Israel. What do you think scouting and screening processes is about? There are attributes you look out for and drills to select those that meet these attributes.

Or you think is by looking at Game time?
That is the official stance but the reality is that practice and theory have huge disparities. Again I am talking from a UK perspective.

Drills and attributes in a national team set up have limited value. Essentially because the times you have with these players is very limited before they go back to thier home clubs.

What they do in thier parent clubs, all things being equal is the definitive factor in deciding attributes, ability and capacity not drills in the national team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by zicky(m): 12:15pm On Jul 27, 2017
goldfish80:
Against Egypt in Alexandre. Akpeyi was in goal on the day. The Egyptians scored what can be described as a lucky goal via a deflection.
If he wasn't gittery in that high pressure game. How come he became jittery all of a sudden? Abi we are just making things up?
Which outstanding save did he made
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:32pm On Jul 27, 2017
goldfish80:
You're an exception. I sometimes marvel at how you are able to hold your own and not let what people say here influence your sense of judgment.
This should be a dominant character trait every man should have. For that you have my respect.
Respect to you too sir.

As I always say, no be today.

We have seen many of these things play out over and over again. Experience is the best teacher.

We dey watch.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 12:43pm On Jul 27, 2017
Danielnino00:
Is Uyo stadium going to host it?
Yes
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