TonySpike:

Are you for real? I'm sure you're one of those folks that says DC rushed their universe. Let's take a break, dude. Marvel had 5 movies before Avengers, DC had four movies before Justice League. How is that rushing? The only reason it seems DC is rushing is because Marvel has produced over 14 movies compared to DC's 4 movies. That, my friend, is an irrelevant comparison. Financially, DC is doing fine and the narrative is working well. The suits at WB are happy also which is the most important.

Now, if you didn't like the JL trailer, that's your preference. Nobody will force you to like but to come here and start a silly company war of comparison is more sillier.

I think someone with fair judgement should spend time to go through both trailers and tell us which is more: intriguing, more intense (action), better CGI and overall looks mature!
I have (continue) watched both times without number and am still yet to see or convince how Thor: Ragnarok is better than JL.
If it's actions, JL Trailer beats Thor3 Trailer hands down. How about Cinematography; "4 dat 1 dem no even dey dsame level.... Maybe when it comes to jokes that's where I can't really give it to JL. despite that, Alfred, Flash and Aquaman are doing great.
The Internet is flooded with "children" ever since MCU became a force to be reckoned with.

kryptonian1987:


I think someone with fair judgement should spend time to go through both trailers and tell us which is more: intriguing, more intense (action), better CGI and overall looks mature!
I have (continue) watched both times without number and am still yet to see or convince how Thor: Ragnarok is better than JL.
If it's actions, JL Trailer beats Thor3 Trailer hands down. How about Cinematography; "4 dat 1 dem no even dey dsame level.... Maybe when it comes to jokes that's where I can't really give it to JL. despite that, Alfred, Flash and Aquaman are doing great.
The Internet is flooded with "children" ever since MCU became a force to be reckoned with.

Oga calm down.. Don't get high bp because of marvel and dc

TonySpike:

Are you for real? I'm sure you're one of those folks that says DC rushed their universe. Let's take a break, dude. Marvel had 5 movies before Avengers, DC had four movies before Justice League. How is that rushing? The only reason it seems DC is rushing is because Marvel has produced over 14 movies compared to DC's 4 movies. That, my friend, is an irrelevant comparison. Financially, DC is doing fine and the narrative is working well. The suits at WB are happy also which is the most important.

Now, if you didn't like the JL trailer, that's your preference. Nobody will force you to like but to come here and start a silly company war of comparison is more sillier.

abeg joor you must be a DC fanboy funds shy you are blinded to the truth! I love DC. JL is a more known superhero team than the avengers. It was only the 2012 movie that made the avengers A-list. Chris nolans the dark knight trilogy was a masterpiece ni doubt but universe so far hasn't been too impressive unlike.marvel the only good movie so far is wonder woman but unfortunately Dan Schneider has come to direct JL again so my expectations aren't that high.mindless CGI didn't save BvS and from the trailer they want to fall into the same mistake which is rather unfortunate. Didn't you see how they crammed wonder woman the flash aquamam, steppenwolf and the death of superman into one fukking movie
From the avengers we know everything had been leading to thanos so every movie paid homage to the fact plus these are characters that are really well developed so we know about them to an extent like Thor Captain America, tony stark etc unlike DC that did a superman movie a batman and superman movie with cameos a wonder woman movie set in 1914 and then jumped to justice league
Abeg joor just say DC felt they were lagging behind so they wanted to catch up fast

TonySpike:

Are you for real? I'm sure you're one of those folks that says DC rushed their universe. Let's take a break, dude. Marvel had 5 movies before Avengers, DC had four movies before Justice League. How is that rushing? The only reason it seems DC is rushing is because Marvel has produced over 14 movies compared to DC's 4 movies. That, my friend, is an irrelevant comparison. Financially, DC is doing fine and the narrative is working well. The suits at WB are happy also which is the most important.

Now, if you didn't like the JL trailer, that's your preference. Nobody will force you to like but to come here and start a silly company war of comparison is more sillier.

Your logic is highly flawed. You're trying to play a numbers game, let's remind you why. MCU did individual movies to set up the characters with their origin story, THEN, made the team up movie. DCEU did a Superman film (with obligatory origin story), then a Superman sequel, where they decided to drag everything and the kitchen sink to build a world that wasn't really hinted in the previous film. BvS turned into a mini origin story for Batman, an introduction for WW (not an origin story), a rushed exposition dump (thanks to the world's scrolliest email, when last did you read an email line by line?) and a theatrical cut that removed subplots necessary for the film. After that they did an origin story of sorts for a group of individuals fighting against a dancing villain, which tried to give us glimpse of the current situation without Superman. Then, they finally DID an origin story for a JLer, so that's techically 3 origin stories for the big team up. If they had followed the MCU approach, Flash, Cyborg & Aquaman should have had their own films before their big team up, but no, they got their supposed introductions (I refuse to say origins) in an exposition email.

Look at WW, there's a reason why it's been doing well and it has nothing to do with SJW, they told a coherent story, they chose a good director who was able to pull out some really decent acting out of Gal Gadot, the scriptwriter (I'm tired of fanboys giving Snyder way too much credit for this, I'm too lazy to start talking about the difference in story & script. I'll just say Snyder wasn't the sole credit for story, but Allan Heinberg is the sole credit for the script) actually gave us a rather solid script, not perfect, but certainly tighter than SS & BvS. They told a story that actually stayed true to the character's roots and were rewarded greatly for it. WW is the reason why I'm still watching DCEU, if they had effed that up after over 40 years of waiting, I can bet you they would have lost a lot of fans. It still pains me that my midnight screening of this wasn't even a third full. I watched the first screening of Girls Trip at my cinema yesterday and it was sold out, even after all the technical difficulties with the film, which meant we started almost an hour late and after some folks left, the cinema was still 80% full. Fortunately though, good word of mouth has worked for WW, I still hope it earns more than BvS.

Now, let's remind you of the other aspects of rushing, DCEU in their quest to catch up have released their own set of dates for their upcoming films, but they keep losing directors, writers & general crew like a bad joke. Wasn't Flash originally supposed to be next year? It has lost directors, writers, scripts before they finally settled on the Flashpoint story. DCEU need a producer of the calibre of Kevin Feige, I keep repeating this, they could go into their animated department and ask Bruce Timm for pointers. It's not just setting future dates and looking busy. Say what you want about the MCU's safeness, but Feige has supervised a rather decent shared universe. Plus, we've gotten a rather decent calibre of directors thanks to their willingness to hire interesting and lesser known directors. Snyder isn't a good storyteller, he's a visual director. I know that due to personal family issues, he's no longer the main producer of the DCEU, but hopefully they can get a producer who isn't mostly focused on visuals.

We now live in a rich age of comic book media, it's on the big screen, telly and our games. We are not just reading them anymore. Whether you like it or not, the MCU took a risk and their risk paid off, now everybody wants a piece of that pie. They had an idea and planned accordingly, they didn't rush it. Everybody is trying to build a shared universe sotay Universal has resurrected their Monster verse, complete with one false start and a bomb (I actually liked Dracula Untold, still haven't seen the Mummy reboot, that thing got dragged out of my cinema way too fast, same thing happened with Transformers, I finally dragged myself after stalling only to find they were both gone before a month on release. Oddly enough WW was still airing). Sony tried to set up one with ASM2, that was DOA. They finally let the MCU play with Spidey. Although, they now want to do Venom film, so they might not have learned their lesson, but time will tell. Look, folks are willing to wait for the DCEU to catch up, they just need to stop rushing, it worked for WW.

cao:

Your logic is highly flawed. You're trying to play a numbers game, let's remind you why. MCU did individual movies to set up the characters with their origin story, THEN, made the team up movie. DCEU did a Superman film (with obligatory origin story), then a Superman sequel, where they decided to drag everything and the kitchen sink to build a world that wasn't really hinted in the previous film. BvS turned into a mini origin story for Batman, an introduction for WW (not an origin story), a rushed exposition dump (thanks to the world's scrolliest email, when last did you read an email line by line?) and a theatrical cut that removed subplots necessary for the film. After that they did an origin story of sorts for a group of individuals fighting against a dancing villain, which tried to give us glimpse of the current situation without Superman. Then, they finally DID an origin story for a JLer, so that's techically 3 origin stories for the big team up. If they had followed the MCU approach, Flash, Cyborg & Aquaman should have had their own films before their big team up, but no, they got their supposed introductions (I refuse to say origins) in an exposition email.

Look at WW, there's a reason why it's been doing well and it has nothing to do with SJW, they told a coherent story, they chose a good director who was able to pull out some really decent acting out of Gal Gadot, the scriptwriter (I'm tired of fanboys giving Snyder way too much credit for this, I'm too lazy to start talking about the difference in story & script. I'll just say Snyder wasn't the sole credit for story, but Allan Heinberg is the sole credit for the script) actually gave us a rather solid script, not perfect, but certainly tighter than SS & BvS. They told a story that actually stayed true to the character's roots and were rewarded greatly for it. WW is the reason why I'm still watching DCEU, if they had effed that up after over 40 years of waiting, I can bet you they would have lost a lot of fans. It still pains me that my midnight screening of this wasn't even a third full. I watched the first screening of Girls Trip at my cinema yesterday and it was sold out, even after all the technical difficulties with the film, which meant we started almost an hour late and after some folks left, the cinema was still 80% full. Fortunately though, good word of mouth has worked for WW, I still hope it earns more than BvS.

Now, let's remind you of the other aspects of rushing, DCEU in their quest to catch up have released their own set of dates for their upcoming films, but they keep losing directors, writers & general crew like a bad joke. Wasn't Flash originally supposed to be next year? It has lost directors, writers, scripts before they finally settled on the Flashpoint story. DCEU need a producer of the calibre of Kevin Feige, I keep repeating this, they could go into their animated department and ask Bruce Timm for pointers. It's not just setting future dates and looking busy. Say what you want about the MCU's safeness, but Feige has supervised a rather decent shared universe. Plus, we've gotten a rather decent calibre of directors thanks to their willingness to hire interesting and lesser known directors. Snyder isn't a good storyteller, he's a visual director. I know that due to personal family issues, he's no longer the main producer of the DCEU, but hopefully they can get a producer who isn't mostly focused on visuals.

We now live in a rich age of comic book media, it's on the big screen, telly and our games. We are not just reading them anymore. Whether you like it or not, the MCU took a risk and their risk paid off, now everybody wants a piece of that pie. They had an idea and planned accordingly, they didn't rush it. Everybody is trying to build a shared universe sotay Universal has resurrected their Monster verse, complete with one false start and a bomb (I actually liked Dracula Untold, still haven't seen the Mummy reboot, that thing got dragged out of my cinema way too fast, same thing happened with Transformers, I finally dragged myself after stalling only to find they were both gone before a month on release. Oddly enough WW was still airing). Sony tried to set up one with ASM2, that was DOA. They finally let the MCU play with Spidey. Although, they now want to do Venom film, so they might not have learned their lesson, but time will tell. Look, folks are willing to wait for the DCEU to catch up, they just need to stop rushing, it worked for WW.

Now, that was a long rebuttal.

jonbellion:
abeg joor you must be a DC fanboy funds shy you are blinded to the truth! I love DC. JL is a more known superhero team than the avengers. It was only the 2012 movie that made the avengers A-list. Chris nolans the dark knight trilogy was a masterpiece ni doubt but universe so far hasn't been too impressive unlike.marvel the only good movie so far is wonder woman but unfortunately Dan Schneider has come to direct JL again so my expectations aren't that high.mindless CGI didn't save BvS and from the trailer they want to fall into the same mistake which is rather unfortunate. Didn't you see how they crammed wonder woman the flash aquamam, steppenwolf and the death of superman into one fukking movie
From the avengers we know everything had been leading to thanos so every movie paid homage to the fact plus these are characters that are really well developed so we know about them to an extent like Thor Captain America, tony stark etc unlike DC that did a superman movie a batman and superman movie with cameos a wonder woman movie set in 1914 and then jumped to justice league
Abeg joor just say DC felt they were lagging behind so they wanted to catch up fast

Your opinion, dude! DC doesn't have to follow Marvel's formula, not now nor ever...

TonySpike:


Now, that was a long rebuttal.

It's like you've got amnesia. I don't think this is even my second long rebuttal here sef. I know I've even done at least two long rebuttals on the DCEU thread sef. For some odd reason, I believe I've already done this to one of your posts sef.

cao:

It's like you've got amnesia. I don't think this is even my second long rebuttal here sef. I know I've even done at least two long rebuttals on the DCEU thread sef. For some odd reason, I believe I've already done this to one of your posts sef.

Lol, my statement was the exact opposite of sarcasm. No hard feelings here. Anyway, how are you these days?

TonySpike:


Lol, my statement was the exact opposite of sarcasm. No hard feelings here...

I didn't read it as sarcastic. I was more surprised with it, since if left to my vices, most of my comic/tv/games/film posts would be missives with Havard referencing.

cao:

I didn't read it as sarcastic. I was more surprised with it, since if left to my vices, most of my comic/tv/games/film posts would be missives with Havard referencing.

I'm more used to IEEE referencing style here though. You didn't answer my second question though.

TonySpike:


I'm more used to IEEE referencing style here though. You didn't answer my second question though.

The question wasn't there when I initially quoted it. I'm good, spending way too much of my time playing Overwatch. Just waiting for Doomfist to go live at 6pm. You?

cao:

The question wasn't there when I initially quoted it. I'm good, spending way too much of my time playing Overwatch. Just waiting for Doomfist to go live at 6pm. You?

You won't believe what I'm doing right now though because I spend most of my time doing academic research...lol

TonySpike:


You won't believe what I'm doing right now though because I spend most of my time doing academic research...lol

Try me...

cao:

Your logic is highly flawed. You're trying to play a numbers game, let's remind you why. MCU did individual movies to set up the characters with their origin story, THEN, made the team up movie. DCEU did a Superman film (with obligatory origin story), then a Superman sequel, where they decided to drag everything and the kitchen sink to build a world that wasn't really hinted in the previous film. BvS turned into a mini origin story for Batman, an introduction for WW (not an origin story), a rushed exposition dump (thanks to the world's scrolliest email, when last did you read an email line by line?) and a theatrical cut that removed subplots necessary for the film. After that they did an origin story of sorts for a group of individuals fighting against a dancing villain, which tried to give us glimpse of the current situation without Superman. Then, they finally DID an origin story for a JLer, so that's techically 3 origin stories for the big team up. If they had followed the MCU approach, Flash, Cyborg & Aquaman should have had their own films before their big team up, but no, they got their supposed introductions (I refuse to say origins) in an exposition email.

Look at WW, there's a reason why it's been doing well and it has nothing to do with SJW, they told a coherent story, they chose a good director who was able to pull out some really decent acting out of Gal Gadot, the scriptwriter (I'm tired of fanboys giving Snyder way too much credit for this, I'm too lazy to start talking about the difference in story & script. I'll just say Snyder wasn't the sole credit for story, but Allan Heinberg is the sole credit for the script) actually gave us a rather solid script, not perfect, but certainly tighter than SS & BvS. They told a story that actually stayed true to the character's roots and were rewarded greatly for it. WW is the reason why I'm still watching DCEU, if they had effed that up after over 40 years of waiting, I can bet you they would have lost a lot of fans. It still pains me that my midnight screening of this wasn't even a third full. I watched the first screening of Girls Trip at my cinema yesterday and it was sold out, even after all the technical difficulties with the film, which meant we started almost an hour late and after some folks left, the cinema was still 80% full. Fortunately though, good word of mouth has worked for WW, I still hope it earns more than BvS.

Now, let's remind you of the other aspects of rushing, DCEU in their quest to catch up have released their own set of dates for their upcoming films, but they keep losing directors, writers & general crew like a bad joke. Wasn't Flash originally supposed to be next year? It has lost directors, writers, scripts before they finally settled on the Flashpoint story. DCEU need a producer of the calibre of Kevin Feige, I keep repeating this, they could go into their animated department and ask Bruce Timm for pointers. It's not just setting future dates and looking busy. Say what you want about the MCU's safeness, but Feige has supervised a rather decent shared universe. Plus, we've gotten a rather decent calibre of directors thanks to their willingness to hire interesting and lesser known directors. Snyder isn't a good storyteller, he's a visual director. I know that due to personal family issues, he's no longer the main producer of the DCEU, but hopefully they can get a producer who isn't mostly focused on visuals.

We now live in a rich age of comic book media, it's on the big screen, telly and our games. We are not just reading them anymore. Whether you like it or not, the MCU took a risk and their risk paid off, now everybody wants a piece of that pie. They had an idea and planned accordingly, they didn't rush it. Everybody is trying to build a shared universe sotay Universal has resurrected their Monster verse, complete with one false start and a bomb (I actually liked Dracula Untold, still haven't seen the Mummy reboot, that thing got dragged out of my cinema way too fast, same thing happened with Transformers, I finally dragged myself after stalling only to find they were both gone before a month on release. Oddly enough WW was still airing). Sony tried to set up one with ASM2, that was DOA. They finally let the MCU play with Spidey. Although, they now want to do Venom film, so they might not have learned their lesson, but time will tell. Look, folks are willing to wait for the DCEU to catch up, they just need to stop rushing, it worked for WW.

..............
*drops mouth in awe"
Where have you been all my life

Cao what's your opinion on the recently leaked infinity war trailer( if you've seen it) coupled with the standard trailer just released for ragnarok. I personally think ragnarok would be the best Thor yet. The Thor movies hasn't been as strong as other movies in the MCU they are my least favourite

captain marvel will not appear in infinity war-Joe Russo

Thor and starlord will be the comedians of infinity war

abeg y is dr.strange not in d Thor trailer

Shittaakeem:
captain marvel will not appear in infinity war-Joe Russo

nawa oo
You obviously haven't seen his new look and watched the leaked trailer

.

jonbellion:
nawa oo
You obviously haven't seen his new look and watched the leaked trailer

Bro read my post again. I said captain marvel not captain america

jonbellion:
Cao what's your opinion on the recently leaked infinity war trailer( if you've seen it) coupled with the standard trailer just released for ragnarok. I personally think ragnarok would be the best Thor yet. The Thor movies hasn't been as strong as other movies in the MCU they are my least favourite

For a teaser trailer, it's good. As for Thor R, I haven't watched it. The first trailer was enough for me, don't want to spoil anything for myself. The Thor franchise is certainly the weakest and it always surprises me how much I like it, especially the first one. Like I really really like it. It might be the weakest franchise, but it certainly has two of the most likeable MCU characters, Thor & Loki.

jonbellion:
abeg joor you must be a DC fanboy funds shy you are blinded to the truth! I love DC. JL is a more known superhero team than the avengers. It was only the 2012 movie that made the avengers A-list. Chris nolans the dark knight trilogy was a masterpiece ni doubt but universe so far hasn't been too impressive unlike.marvel the only good movie so far is wonder woman but unfortunately Dan Schneider has come to direct JL again so my expectations aren't that high.mindless CGI didn't save BvS and from the trailer they want to fall into the same mistake which is rather unfortunate. Didn't you see how they crammed wonder woman the flash aquamam, steppenwolf and the death of superman into one fukking movie

If the one f**king movie is BVS, lemme remind you that Flash, Aquaman & Steppenwolf just made brief cameos in the movie. I'ld hardly call that cramming. And was WB supposed to do a 2-hour movie on Supes dying?

From the avengers we know everything had been leading to thanos so every movie paid homage to the fact plus these are characters that are really well developed so we know about them to an extent like Thor Captain America, tony stark etc unlike DC that did a superman movie a batman and superman movie with cameos a wonder woman movie set in 1914 and then jumped to justice league
Abeg joor just say DC felt they were lagging behind so they wanted to catch up fast

As of 2012, before the release of "The Avengers", what were the marvel movies leading up to? Coz I didn't get a glimpse of Thanos till "The Avengers".
Marvel did 5 movies (2 on one character) and released Avengers. DC does 3 movies and are set to release JL. What, specifically, makes you feel they're rushing? What more do you want to know about the characters before the film that can't be handled in the movie?

moxygunshot:
abeg y is dr.strange not in d Thor trailer

Beats me

Kaycee7:
If the one f**king movie is BVS, lemme remind you that Flash, Aquaman & Steppenwolf just made brief cameos in the movie. I'ld hardly call that cramming. And was WB supposed to do a 2-hour movie on Supes dying?

As of 2012, before the release of "The Avengers", what were the marvel movies leading up to? Coz I didn't get a glimpse of Thanos till "The Avengers".
Marvel did 5 movies (2 on one character) and released Avengers. DC does 3 movies and are set to release JL. What, specifically, makes you feel they're rushing? What more do you want to know about the characters before the film that can't be handled in the movie?

Marvel did Iron-man, Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America and enough of Black widow has been known in Iron Man 2 before the Avengers was made. As for DC we don't know about Flash, aqua man and Cyborg and Gbam! Justice league! Too fast!

Drop your number for a whatsapp MCU and DCEU chat room

Coolgasman:
Marvel did Iron-man, Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America and enough of Black widow has been known in Iron Man 2 before the Avengers was made. As for DC we don't know about Flash, aqua man and Cyborg and Gbam! Justice league! Too fast!

What else do you need to know about these characters? Origin? Did you know about the origin of Hawkeye, Falcon even all the X-men members? Must DC copy Marvel template or origin before team?

TonySpike:


What else do you need to know about these characters? Origin? Did you know about the origin of Hawkeye, Falcon even all the X-men members? Must DC copy Marvel template or origin before team?

Naa, they certainly don't have to. They're totally free to do their own thing. Curious though that besides Nolan's trilogy, the only other DCEU movie to garner enough critical reviews to compete with MCU's products is WW - a movie that basically followed the MCU origin template.

kay9:



Naa, they certainly don't have to. They're totally free to do their own thing. Curious though that besides Nolan's trilogy, the only other DCEU movie to garner enough critical reviews to compete with MCU's products is WW - a movie that basically followed the MCU origin template.

WW as an origin story was nowhere close to any Marvel origin story. It was very original in terms of depth, style, stakes, cinematography and narrative. As a matter of fact, all Marvel origin stories are always similar...lol. I watched a video where it was established that Dr Strange origin movie was 80% Iron Man origin movie. Heck, Marvel only repackaged the characters!

dafuq is wrong with marveltards ........ the dceu is a completely different universe and saying its being rushed is stupid because in my opinion the dceu could have been started from a jl movie like they were planning to do in jl mortal...... building up from individual characters is one way to do it not the only way as long as it all comes together no pun intended....... Basically i prefer Dc because i grew up with this characters but i dont get why marvelites are so butthurt about some competition...... the DCEU is a financial success but not critically acclaimed, executives are doing the best they can do make movies that can be appreciated by everyone... you guys should leave DC alone and talk about your childish MCU and its crappy villains and generic formular (my opinion though).....
thor ragnarok looks good but come on the jl trailer was better in every sense, ill still see both.lol but jl is gonna crush ragnarok at the BO

Coolgasman:
Marvel did Iron-man, Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America and enough of Black widow has been known in Iron Man 2 before the Avengers was made. As for DC we don't know about Flash, aqua man and Cyborg and Gbam! Justice league! Too fast!

DC has done Superman, Wonder Woman & Batman. The rest will be introduced in Justice League. There is no law that says everyone must get a stand-alone movie or big support role. It's fast but not too fast.

TonySpike:


What else do you need to know about these characters? Origin? Did you know about the origin of Hawkeye, Falcon even all the X-men members? Must DC copy Marvel template or origin before team?

I know these characters before in the comics and you are only saying that because you are familiar with these characters even before the movies I believe. what i am saying is they have to do these stand-alone film first to introduce viewers who are not Comic fans and don't know the characters before. it's part of what makes Avengers a successful movie