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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:03pm On Jul 29, 2017
freshest4live:

I may not be in support of secession but l think you are the only one who has made an attempt to answer the question unambiguously even though l do not support your conclusion.

I have not concluded...

But to do so, I prefer Biafra...To remain in Nigeria, would mean our suppression and subjugation continues...We need freedom to do things ourselves...I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed...

Since you want ONE Nigeria, how can those items enumerated be resolved? Ohaneze and the Igbo elites have tried for 50 years and they have not achieved anything...

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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:04pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:
1. 2nd Niger brige will be built with Biafra, just like Nigerian governemt built the 3rd Mainland bridge.

2. My child will have equal opportunities than needing to score 213 to get admission into unity school, while your own child need to score 5?

3. Our people will have equal opportunities in the agencies of Biafra government and can raise to the highest rank, unlike in Nigeria where they are retired even when they are more educated, leaving the northerners and the SW people to chose among themselves?

4. We don't need to travel to other regions in order to travel abroad?

5. Our roads which are the worse federal roads in Nigeria, will be built by ourselves, we don't need to go the Abuja to beg and get permission to do them. We also don't need to beg them to be allowed to reactivate the coal corporation in the East...etc.etc.

6. Abuja belongs to the northerners as you can see all FCT ministers are ONLY from the north. So also Yorubas claim Lagos belongs to them, We easterners have nothing. We would build our own political capital city and economic city with Biafra.

7. With Biafra investments in R&grin for technology advancement have more chances to succeed, then in Nigeria where there is no trust beween the north, the SW and the SE. So any invention is thrown away so long as it wasn't from the north...

8. In terms of security...there won't be any Fulani herdsmen terrorisng communites in Biafra.

9. We can build our own rail network, unlike in Nigeria where we are excluded...from the $5bilion loan meant for that in the north, SW and parts of SS..

I stop here for now...

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grin Thanks for your candid view. But is Fct and Lagos the only resourceful state in Nigeria?
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:08pm On Jul 29, 2017
littlewonders:



I like how you reason, buy rat poison because a neighbor bought it. Anyways, everybody are responsible to their opinion.



True bro.....thanks
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:09pm On Jul 29, 2017
shoyemiayodeji:
grin Thanks for your candid view. But is Fct and Lagos the only resourceful state in Nigeria?

Yes. They are the ONLY two cities where the federal government has spent trillions in infrastructural investments...When you visit UK, the difference between London, Manchester, Liverpool and even Bristol is not too glaring...What would stop the government from getting a loan and giving it to every region to develop their infrastructure, than just putting everything in the north and SW?

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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:11pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:


I have not concluded...

But to do so, I prefer Biafra...To remain in Nigeria, would mean our suppression and subjugation continues...We need freedom to do things ourselves...I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed...

Since you want ONE Nigeria, how can those items enumerated be resolved? Ohaneze and the Igbo elites have tried for 50 years and they have not achieved anything...


Nobody has tried anything for over 50 years grin......If we have an Igbo as Nigeria president, do you think this issues would be resolved?
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:16pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:


Yes. They are the ONLY two cities where the federal government has spent trillions in infrastructural investments...when you visit UK, the difference between London, Manchester, Liverpool and even Bristol is not too glaring...What would stop the government from getting a loan and giving it to every region to develop their infrastructure, than just putting everything in the north and SW?

I am sure you are aware that the "Government" does not only constitute the Yoruba's and the Igbos". These states you are talking about don't they have Igbo governors to represent their interest? Why do you think Igbos at the herm of affair are doing nothing about the problems you mentioned?.....
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:17pm On Jul 29, 2017
shoyemiayodeji:



Nobody has tried anything for over 50 years grin......If we have an Igbo as Nigeria president, do you think this issues would be resolved?


Not at all. Did you notice I didn't include Igbo presidency in my list. It is inconsequential. The Igbo president would be picked by the north...He won't be any different from OBJ and GEJ presidency. Tell me any dramatic change made by those two southern presidents. NONE!!! 97% of Igbos both home and in diaspora, want independent state of Biafra...The remaining 3% are the politicians, some elites and other how have investments outside Igbo land...and also those whose other parent is not Igbo.

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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:20pm On Jul 29, 2017
shoyemiayodeji:


I am sure you are aware that the "Government" does not only constitute the Yoruba's and the Igbos". These states you are talking about don't they have Igbo governors to represent their interest? Why do you think Igbos at the herm of affair are doing nothing about the problems you mentioned?.....

You don't need to go far...At NASS they rejected devolving powers to the states or region...Didn't the Igbos there fought for their interests? The NASS also rejected the SEDC but approved the NEDC, didn't the Igbos there fought for Igbos interest? Nigeria is at cross roads at the moment...The status quo MUST not continue.

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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by freshest4live: 1:20pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:


I have not concluded...

But to do so, I prefer Biafra...To remain in Nigeria, would mean our suppression and subjugation continues...We need freedom to do things ourselves...I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed...

Since you want ONE Nigeria, how can those items enumerated be resolved? Ohaneze and the Igbo elites have tried for 50 years and they have not achieved anything...
I am a Biafran only if it could lead to a Nigerian revolution. Let's not deceive ourselves, no national leader would want to give you referendum whereby it would be said in his time Nigeria was divided. Nations don't separate easily, Morocco and Western Sahara is still debated till date, lsrael and Palestine, etc. Even today you don't know the states that make up Biafra or the boundaries, Biafra is just an ideology for a better Nigeria.
I am from the South South, and it baffles me that Jonathan couldn't build a port in warri or calabar, but still in all of these, secession OF AN ETHNIC GROUP is never a peaceful process and it's difficult even outside Africa, how much more Africa? Sudan and Eritrea fought for many years, in Nigeria's case there are lgbo communities all over the SE and SS, would Nigeria let SS go, considering the fact that corruption and oil binds us together?

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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:24pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:



Not at all. Did you notice I didn't include Igbo presidency in my list. It is inconsequential. The Igbo president would be picked by the north...He won't be any different from OBJ and GEJ presidency. Tell me any dramatic change made by those two southern presidents. NONE!!! 97% of Igbos both home and in diaspora, want independent state of Biafra...The remaining 3% are the politicians, some elites and other how have investments outside Igbo land...and also those whose other parent is not Igbo.


Is it safe to say out of the 97%, 30% constitute the unemployed, 40% constitute the illiterates and 27% constitute the Bandwagons? With the hope a Biafra will be their "Heaven"?

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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by freshest4live: 1:26pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:


You don't need to go far...At NASS they rejected devolving powers to the states or region...Didn't the Igbos there fought for their interests? The NASS also rejected the SEDC but approved the NEDC, didn't the Igbos there fought for Igbos interest? Nigeria is at cross roads at the moment...The status quo MUST not continue.
The North rejected it because they wrongly believe the Southern Governors want to control the major resources for themselves(especially oil) to the detriment of the North. Want we need in Nigeria is a round table dialogue, the campaigners for restructuring must come clarify things on their position to avoid misunderstanding. I kid you not, oil binds us together in this useless unitary system of Government. We need a roundtable talk.
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Warship: 1:27pm On Jul 29, 2017
5DMindset:
The Human Being is a product of its environment, and by environment I mean from the womb to the first breath of air and to his continual existence in its community, educational system and the social cycles it finds himself.

My research into high blood pressure and capability to gain weight easily reveals that mothers, who went through starvation and trauma during the second trimester of their pregnancy deliver kids who are deficient in certain key homones which activates certain key DNA codons that affects the eyes, the blood pressure and the body's mode to survive in famine and starvation. The body automatically stores fats in its tissues and uses less of it. That is pre-birth analytics.

When the child is birthed, the induction and indoctrination begins. What the child learns from parents and schools are all he understands, and anything outside what is taught that child is UNKNOWN. For example, if you tell someone that you can generate electricity by breathing; You might get a response like 'You must be mad', 'It is impossible' etc etc. We do not know things outside our compartmentalized programming, even though the constructs are faulty and can not answer literary questions without errors. Eg Religions, Cultures, Traditions etc etc.

Coming down to the Nigeria-Biafra scenario. The country we call Nigeria started failing since the late 1960s. After the war, the political elites never planned for the future. Our founding father had no vision of what country they wanted. The economy naturally drifted to Money-Based Economy, instead of a Resource-based Economy. Resources were plundered and still plundered to acquire money and support cash emigration out of the economy. Foreign Account became and still is popular among the elite, the elite class sent their kids abroad to study and still do till this moment. They went for treatment abroad and they still do. Even tourism sectors have been abandoned and we cherish going vacationing abroad instead of developing our tourism sector. In fact right now, we go on sex tourism abroad. We failed and we still fail.

Our fathers' and grandfathers' generation failed to transition the economy to resource-based economy. Resource-based economies are people-centered and I will give instances where we fail like idiots that we are:

Our roads are built with asphalt and bitumen and we have the resources in abundance. What I mean is, the present network of roads all over Nigeria can be tarred with our abundant bitumen and we will still have some left to export. And we also have youths and even civil engineers. Even if we do not have technologies to construct our machineries due to the evil orchestration to not allow Ajaokuta Steel to work by the foreign powers, which is also because of our stupidity, we are supposed to import the machineries and train some 1 million youths from every States of the Federation on how to excavate bitumen and how to tar our roads. Who ever introduced Contractors and sub-constructors into the mix do so in order to launder over-invoiced funds into the foreign accounts of the foreign contracts while the balance is kept aside in private accounts abroad for them. This is an on-going fraud.

Today we have a government that approves almost $1billion every couple of months to 'stabilize' dollar/naira disparity. This is called sharing money using Northern BDC special purpose vehicles. They are looting us dry. Money is never recovered. It is a government fraud.

Another is exploration of Oil in the Chad Basin, there was no oil there and they knew it, but they had to siphon billions by getting foreign partners and releasing billions and sharing it. This is fraud, and a government-run fraud.

The Income disparity has reached the climax and a new set of minds are born, youngsters who have never learnt that making wealth is via arithmetic progression. Now every one sings because it brings instant wealth, wire wire, yahoo yahoo, google google and instagram instagram, blogging blogging are the new quick money methods and you can not stop them. Others who are not literate or talented enough go into full time robbery, kidnapping, money laundering etc. While those have been programmed into morality by recession and poverty have decided to fight for secession.

My decision to support Biafra is based on the wisdom that a smaller entity out of this mess will learn lessons that made Nigeria fail and make Nigerians sub-humans. It will even be better if Biafrans decide to secede without Oil.

Countries without Oil tend to do better. With technological advancement and opening up of the Onitsha Sea Port, Biafrans can export to all African countries and even outside of Africa and with statistics analytics can transition their country to a Green Energy Nation-State powered by Renewable Energy. I can write a blueprint that can make Biafra without Oil, one of the greatest countries on Earth and I mean it.

This is why I am in support of Biafra. It is not about tribe, religion, custom and traditions, those are bullshiits for depressed and poverty-stricken minds. But a Biafra built on Science and Technology and with the teaming youths becoming the creators of their cities and ofcourse destinies.

I will apply for Biafra Citizenship once that country comes into existence. I do not have the powers to change the messed up country we call Nigeria, but what I can do is transition my home into a paradise without the need for public utilities, something I am already doing.

Thanks.



Which tribe do you come from.?
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:28pm On Jul 29, 2017
freshest4live:

I am a Biafran only if it could lead to a Nigerian revolution. Let's not deceive ourselves no national leader would want to give you referendum whereby it would be said in his time Nigeria was divided. Nations don't separate easily, Morocco and Western Sahara is still debated till date, lsrael and Palestine, etc. Even today you don't know the states that make up Biafra or the boundaries, Biafra is just an ideology for a better Nigeria.
I am from the South South, and it baffles me that Jonathan couldn't build a port in warri or calabar but still in all of these secession OF AN ETHNIC GROUP is never a peaceful process and it's difficult even outside Africa, how much more Africa? Sudan and Eritrea fought for many years, in Nigeria's case there are lgbo communities all over the SE and SS, would Nigeria let SS go, considering the fact that corruption and oil binds us together?

Others can start the revolution. You can even state one from your base in SS. The only way for Igbos to progress in life is to go awayy from Nigeria. Igbos are talented in creating things, but Nigeria government tries very hard to destroy whatever they have created...Did you see how rhey have now moved over to kill Nollywood, even when the government has no hand in its creation...That's just an example...Nigeria is evil, that's why NOTHING is working there despite huge oil and gas resources with huge manpower and population.

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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:28pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:


You don't need to go far...At NASS they rejected devolving powers to the states or region...Didn't the Igbos there fought for their interests? The NASS also rejected the SEDC but approved the NEDC, didn't the Igbos there fought for Igbos interest? Nigeria is at cross roads at the moment...The status quo MUST not continue.



Did you see the distribution of the said vote?.... "Majority" voted against... What is the ratio of the for to the against? Those that are not in support of it, how many are Igbos? Please help me with the figures.
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:30pm On Jul 29, 2017
freshest4live:

The North rejected it because they wrongly believe the Southern Governors want to control the major resources for themselves(especially oil) to the detriment of the North. Want we need in Nigeria is a round table dialogue, the campaigners for restructuring must come clarify things on their position to avoid misunderstanding. I kid you not, oil binds us together in this useless unitary system of Government. We need a roundtable talk.

Oil is not binding the Igbos with Nigeria. We have said you can take your oil and just leave us alone...
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Warship: 1:30pm On Jul 29, 2017
freshest4live:

I am a Biafran only if it could lead to a Nigerian revolution. Let's not deceive ourselves, no national leader would want to give you referendum whereby it would be said in his time Nigeria was divided. Nations don't separate easily, Morocco and Western Sahara is still debated till date, lsrael and Palestine, etc. Even today you don't know the states that make up Biafra or the boundaries, Biafra is just an ideology for a better Nigeria.
I am from the South South, and it baffles me that Jonathan couldn't build a port in warri or calabar, but still in all of these secession OF AN ETHNIC GROUP is never a peaceful process and it's difficult even outside Africa, how much more Africa? Sudan and Eritrea fought for many years, in Nigeria's case there are lgbo communities all over the SE and SS, would Nigeria let SS go, considering the fact that corruption and oil binds us together?


Don't bother yourself

By peaceful Referendum or Forceful Separation, Biafra will rise.


It is a matter of time

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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:31pm On Jul 29, 2017
freshest4live:

The North rejected it because they wrongly believe the Southern Governors want to control the major resources for themselves(especially oil) to the detriment of the North. Want we need in Nigeria is a round table dialogue, the campaigners for restructuring must come clarify things on their position to avoid misunderstanding. I kid you not, oil binds us together in this useless unitary system of Government. We need a roundtable talk.


Nigeria practice a federal system of government bro and not Unitary system.
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:32pm On Jul 29, 2017
shoyemiayodeji:




Did you see the distribution of the said vote?.... "Majority" voted against... What is the ratio of the for to the against? Those that are not in support of it, how many are Igbos? Please help me with the figures.

I don't even care..Did you see where I listed Igbo elites as those who also want One Nigeria...?
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:34pm On Jul 29, 2017
Warship:




Which tribe do you come from.?

I do not identify myself with any tribe.

I was birthed on a beautiful planet Earth, so I think globally.

Becoming pro-tribe limits one's ability to think globally.

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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:34pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:


Oil is not binding the Igbos with Nigeria. We have said you can take your oil and just leave us alone...



You are not the one spearheading the agitation lolz...so I won't be sure you don't want the oil.
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:35pm On Jul 29, 2017
shoyemiayodeji:



Is it safe to say out of the 97%, 30% constitute the unemployed, 40% constitute the illiterates and 27% constitute the Bandwagons? With the hope a Biafra will be their "Heaven"?

You warped illusion would be clear, once and for all, with a referendum...I support Biafra so where would you put me...? I can pay the salaries of the people that work in your local council every month...

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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:36pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:


I don't even care..Did you see where I listed Igbo elites as those who also want One Nigeria...?



Yea....I did. But did you see where I broke down the remaing 97%?
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:37pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:


You warped illusion would be clear, once and for all, with a referendum...I support Biafra so where would you put me...? I can pay the salaries of the people that work in your local council every month...



I wouldn't be so sure about that.....probably the "bandwagons"
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:38pm On Jul 29, 2017
shoyemiayodeji:




You are not the one spearheading the agitation lolz...so I won't be sure you don't want the oil.

You have no idea of what is going on...If you make you point based on what you red here, then you would be missing the point..seriously..We are not Yorubas that depends on oil...
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by freshest4live: 1:38pm On Jul 29, 2017
shoyemiayodeji:



Nobody has tried anything for over 50 years grin......If we have an Igbo as Nigeria president, do you think this issues would be resolved?
Exactly, there was no MASSOB or IPOB in the time of Abacha.
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:39pm On Jul 29, 2017
shoyemiayodeji:




I wouldn't be so sure about that.....probably the "bandwagons"

So how would be sure...? In your dream or illusion...? Surely there must be some kind of emperical way to get the numbers?

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Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:41pm On Jul 29, 2017
freshest4live:

Exactly, there was no MASSOB or IPOB in the time of Abacha.

So only MASSOB and IPOB can do something...? What about the Igbo elites?
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:43pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:


You have no idea of what is going on...If you make you point based on what you red here, then you would be missing the point..seriously..We are not Yorubas that depends on oil...
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You don't constitute the whole Igbos, you are just a single individual, You might not even know the ultimate agenda.
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by freshest4live: 1:44pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:


So only MASSOB and IPOB can do something...? What about the Igbo elites?
Did they challenge Abacha?
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Nobody: 1:46pm On Jul 29, 2017
Stingman:


So how would be sure...? In your dream or illusion...? Surely there must be some kind of emperical way to get the numbers?


Well the figures are just my hypothesis based on assumption and not empirical .......
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by Stingman: 1:47pm On Jul 29, 2017
freshest4live:

Did they challenge Abacha?

What is you point? Did your northern emirs and elites challenge Abacha, when they wanted SHARIA?
Re: Why Do You As An Individual Want The Creation Of Biafra? by dudebuck: 1:49pm On Jul 29, 2017
freshest4live:

The North rejected it because they wrongly believe the Southern Governors want to control the major resources for themselves(especially oil) to the detriment of the North. Want we need in Nigeria is a round table dialogue, the campaigners for restructuring must come clarify things on their position to avoid misunderstanding. I kid you not, oil binds us together in this useless unitary system of Government. We need a roundtable talk.
Nigeria is unsalvagable.

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