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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R4f9ygxDbk

were u a witness?

triplec93:
were u a witness?

I am still. Physical in but mentally out. It's a dangerous place to be when you want to leave.

hmmm, so you think other religions or churches are better than the witnesses?

triplec93:
hmmm, so you think other religions or churches are better than the witnesses?

Not comparing just stating the realities and damage that can be done to people in a highly controlled group like the jw. There's nowhere the bible say one can't be a doctor, an engineer, a teacher etc But in jw land, you lack faith by being anyone of these professions

mikeolu1:
Not comparing just stating the realities and damage that can be done to people in a highly controlled group like the jw. There's nowhere the bible say one can't be a doctor, an engineer, a teacher etc But in jw land, you lack faith by being anyone of these professions

Is that why you are not happy with the witnesses or there are other reasons?

triplec93:
Is that why you are not happy with the witnesses or there are other reasons?

There are thousands that are stuck in the org.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/ Has over 13,000 people bethelites, elders, pioneers are all there. go there and see their stories.
I am trying to wake people up for them to know they have a less painful way out of the org. Hundreds are escaping on daily basis.

triplec93:
hmmm, so you think other religions or churches are better than the witnesses?

Your reply doesn't have any bearing with the topic. How does thinking other religions or churches are better than the witnesses being an answer to the fact that your religion equates getting higher education as a lack of faith in Jehovah?

op is a liar. You do not understand the message. GB warns against danger of University education, pursing it at expense of one spirituality. A lot witnesses are students in universities worldwide.

mikeolu1:
There are thousands that are stuck in the org.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/ Has over 13,000 people bethelites, elders, pioneers are all there. go there and see their stories.
I am trying to wake people up for them to know they have a less painful way out of the org. Hundreds are escaping on daily basis.

I really don't think that's the only reason you are leaving, of all religions on earth only the witnesses strive to follow in Christ's footsteps, and teach the truth about God, concerning the university education, no body has been expelled from the cong because he is in the university, they are only discouraging it based on the negative influences there, and since there is no scriptural basis for that, it is based on a personal decision, i just graduated from the uni and i would further my studies if i desire, so that should not be a problem.

Hairyrapunzel:
Your reply doesn't have any bearing with the topic. How does thinking other religions or churches are better than the witnesses being an answer to the fact that your religion equates getting higher education as a lack of faith in Jehovah?

It is still based on a personal decision.

triplec93:
Is that why you are not happy with the witnesses or there are other reasons?

That you criticize or do not agree with a religion's doctrine or a belief doesn't mean you ain't happy with the religion's followers.

I don't know why they teach you people that criticism or scrutiny of your doctrine/beliefs mean hatred or unhappiness towards followers of your religion. This idea is totally wrong and false.

Hairyrapunzel:
That you criticize or do not agree with a religion's doctrine or a belief doesn't mean you ain't happy with the religion's followers.

I don't know why they teach you people that criticism or scrutiny of your doctrine/beliefs mean hatred or unhappiness towards followers of your religion. This idea is totally wrong and false.

I meant their beliefs

triplec93:
I really don't think that's the only reason you are leaving, of all religions on earth only the witnesses strive to follow in Christ's footsteps, and teach the truth about God, concerning the university education, no body has been expelled from the cong because he is in the university, they are only discouraging it based on the negative influences there, and since there is no scriptural basis for that, it is based on a personal decision, i just graduated from the uni and i would further my studies if i desire, so that should not be a problem.

Watch that video again. That crap is coming from a member of the ggoverning body. Their words is law.
Maybe your cong is liberal, where I live, elders and MS are deleted because they go to college. Some people are even shunned cause they are considered as faithless and not being good example.
I was born in, have 2 Masters degree all as a witness, but the present crop of GB are just some extremist who just make empty noise these days.
By the way, I am not leaving for family reasons

triplec93:
I really don't think that's the only reason you are leaving, of all religions on earth only the witnesses strive to follow in Christ's footsteps, and teach the truth about God, concerning the university education, no body has been expelled from the cong because he is in the university, they are only discouraging it based on the negative influences there, and seen there is no scriptural basis for that, it is based on a personal decision, i just graduated from the uni and i would further my studies if i desire, so that should not be a problem.

The topic is not being expelled because you chose higher education. The video shows that you people discourage higher education and getting a higher education is equated to having a lack of faith in your Jehovah. This is a cruel and unjust teaching

They always say bad things or negative influences are always attached to university what about the good side. The good or positive things far outweigh the bad things in a university.
From the video it shows that fear is instilled on its members about higher education. They should stop the fear tactic. Preaching what isn't in the Bible is bad

They have good and bad beings everywhere. When pointing out the bad side of higher education also point out the good side

I just see it as a tool used to cut off social ties with people from different religious and non religious groups that are not Jehovah witnesses also it would provide cheap and free labour for watchtower organization.

The issue on ground is your religion discourages higher education not you going to uni. You went because it is your own decision and your parents probably supported you. Think of those who are not allowed to go or do not go because of this policy.

I repeat one can not be expelled from the cong because of having a degree, privileges are not the most important things in Jah's worship, though one can not totally accept all of the organizational instructions, we learn from the scriptures that we have to rely on Jah and wait on him, we are worshipping Jah and not the GB, they are imperfect humans just like we are, what seems wrong in our eyes shouldn't warrant we reject Jah channel of instruction today, it is very clear especially due to the times we are living in.

triplec93:
I meant their beliefs

Then when writing indicate beliefs instead of saying witnesses. It is OK for a human being to be unhappy about a belief or doctrine. That is why there is freedom to believe in anything
If a human being finds a belief or doctrine irrational he or she has the right to be unhappy towards that doctrine or beliefs it is never a crime

Why do you think a human being should be happy about propagating a belief not even in the Bible by a religious group and when you speak out against this religious belief you are punished ie being called an apostate and then disfellowshipped and subsequently shunned by family and friends in that religion.

Your religion discourages higher education period. Don't justify it's unbiblical stance you even said the belief is not in the Bible

Have a humble heart, pray to Jah, learn to stick to Jah and his organization. If you perceive a mole of mistake in Jah's organization and decide to leave you would face a mountain of wrongdoings out there.

joyandfaith:
op is a liar. You do not understand the message. GB warns against danger of University education, pursing it at expense of one spirituality. A lot witnesses are students in universities worldwide.

Can you state one lie in the post.

Hairyrapunzel:
Then when writing indicate beliefs instead of saying witnesses. It is OK for a human being to be unhappy about a belief or doctrine. That is why there is freedom to believe in anything
If a human being finds a belief or doctrine irrational he or she has the right to be unhappy towards that doctrine or beliefs it is never a crime

Why do you think a human being should be happy about propagating a belief not even in the Bible by a religious group and when you speak out against this religious belief you are punished ie being called an apostate and then disfellowshipped and subsequently shunned by family and friends in that religion.

Your religion discourages higher education period. Don't justify it's unbiblical stance you even said the belief is not in the Bible

You can choose to leave the organization if you want to.

triplec93:
I repeat one can not be expelled from the cong because of having a degree, privileges are not the most important things in Jah's worship, though one can not totally accept all of the organizational instructions, we learn from the scriptures that we have to rely on Jah and wait on him, we are worshipping Jah and not the GB, they are imperfect humans just like we are, what seems wrong in our eyes shouldn't warrant we reject Jah channel of instruction today, it is very clear especially due to the times we are living in.

God never said he will use any channel on earth to instruct it's followers in the first place
This so called channel shouldn't be propagating non biblical beliefs
Your GB are imperfect men dispensing imperfect non biblical beliefs which must be obeyed so interesting.
You cannot wait for jah to correct non biblical beliefs made by imperfect men
The earlier you realize we are living in the best times on earth so far the better for you. Earth is full of wonderful and fantastic people.

So God said obey imperfect men called the GB propagating imperfect non biblical beliefs ( getting higher education is equivalent to lack of faith in your Jehovah) so interesting.

triplec93:
You can choose to leave the organization if you want to.

But leaving the organization will make my family and friends shun him because the imperfect men directed them to shun me

Truth be told...

If you truly have faith in Jesus Christ, and his teachings, you shouldn't bother about going to school. Your only concern should be going iabout preaching his teachings to people anywhere you can find listening ears. You shouldn't keep a family, or go school to get degrees.... you should be walking about in cheap cloths prepared to die of "persecution" anytime; because there is a place where mansions awaits you.

Except you don't have faith in heaven, then you would pursue a college degree. Heaven should be the only focus of a christian, not making a life here on this perishing earth.

Hairyrapunzel:
But leaving the organization will make my family and friends shun him because the imperfect men directed them to shun me

That's biblical.

joyandfaith:
op is a liar. You do not understand the message. GB warns against danger of University education, pursing it at expense of one spirituality. A lot witnesses are students in universities worldwide.

But it clearly states that getting higher education is equal to lack of faith
Why is it that your GB do not tell it's members the benefits, advantages or importance of going to these universities. Always instilling fear in minds of its followers. Why are they afraid of higher education affecting the spirituality of its members? Or they are afraid of their members thinking critically and questioning all their doctrines Which are non biblical?

A lot of witnesses attend uni but it doesn't change the fact that it is strongly discouraged by your leaders.

triplec93:
That's biblical.

Shunning is not biblical. The word shunning or disfellowship ain't mentioned in the Bible. Imperfect GB Giving imperfect non biblical food
Your family and friends will shun you for questioning the imperfect GB non biblical stance on discouraging Higher education

Shunning is emotional blackmail period.

Hairyrapunzel:
But it clearly states that getting higher education is equal to lack of faith
Why is it that your GB do not tell it's members the benefits, advantages or importance of going to these universities. Always instilling fear in minds of its followers. Why are they afraid of higher education affecting the spirituality of its members? Or they are afraid of their members thinking critically and questioning all their doctrines Which are non biblical?

A lot of witnesses attend uni but it doesn't change the fact that it is strongly discouraged by your leaders.

University Education helps humanity become critical thinking people. Think of great scientists, engineers, educators, surgeons, etc are all forged in universities. Jehovah's Witness GB don't like questions to be asked. They know you will ask critical questions if you go to school hence they hate and treat education like some scourge.
The branch visit for Nigeria early this year, the guy that delivered the talk said "don't become an engineer, rather become a technician", meaning go to learn handy work rather than get a degree. Preposterous

Hairyrapunzel:
Shunning is not biblical. The word shunning or disfellowship ain't mentioned in the Bible. Imperfect GB Giving imperfect non biblical food
Your family and friends will shun you for questioning the imperfect GB non biblical stance on discouraging Higher education

Shunning is emotional blackmail period.

1 Cor 5:11

good night.

triplec93:
good night.

Here are excerpts and quotes.

Watchtower 2012 Jun 15 p.23 "If you are approaching the end of the schooling required of you, you may find yourself in good health and with few responsibilities. Have you seriously considered entering the regular pioneer ranks? No doubt, school counselors sincerely believe that it is in your best interests to pursue higher education and to plan for a secular career. Yet, their confidence lies in a social and financial system that has no lasting future. On the other hand, by pursuing a theocratic career, you will be pursuing truly worthwhile and lasting goals. And you will be following Jesus’ perfect example. Such a wise decision will make you happy. It will protect you. And it will show that you are determined to live up to your dedication to Jehovah."

Watchtower 2011 Nov 15 p.19 “Vigilant Christians refrain from using the world to the full with regard to higher education. Many people in this world consider higher education an indispensable stepping-stone to prestige and an affluent life. But we Christians live as temporary residents and pursue different goals. We avoid “minding lofty things.”

Watchtower 2011 Jun 15 p.6 "But there is danger in encouraging them to take up a life style centered on education and financial security instead of true worship.... Plans for a life that subordinates spirituality to worldly goals can snuff out a young person’s desire to serve God."

“All of Jehovah’s Witnesses, regardless of their educational status, have something in common. They recognize that the most important education available today has its source in God’s Word, the Bible.” Awake! 1994 Aug 22 p.8

“Are we encouraging young ones, who are often steered by schoolteachers and others to pursue the world’s higher education, to set spiritual goals instead and pursue the highest education—divine education?” Kingdom Ministry 2011 Oct p.3

“What, though, of higher education, received in a college or a university? This is widely viewed as vital to success. Yet, many who pursue such education end up with their minds filled with harmful propaganda. Such education wastes valuable youthful years that could best be used in Jehovah’s service. (Eccl. 12:1) Perhaps it is not surprising that in lands where many have received such an education, belief in God is at an all-time low.” Watchtower 2008 Apr 15 p.4

triplec93:
1 Cor 5:11

It still didn't say disfellowship or shunning. It says do not associate. Your religion assumes not associating means disfellowshiping and shunning. Disfellowship and shunning aren't written anywhere in the Bible. Don't give excuse for the toxic stuff being propagated by your imperfect GB.

Emotionally blackmailing people and keeping someone's family and friends hostage is cruelty and violation of Fundamental human right ie freedom of religion and freedom of association.

if churches or other religions used to shun and disfellowship former members I don't think jws will even have members.
If you question your imperfect gb about theirdiscouraging higher education not being biblical you get disfellowshipped and subsequently shunned

Hairyrapunzel:
It still didn't say disfellowship or shunning. It says do not associate. Your religion assumes not associating means disfellowshiping and shunning. Disfellowship and shunning aren't written anywhere in the Bible. Don't give excuse for the toxic stuff being propagated by your imperfect GB.

Emotionally blackmailing people and keeping someone's family and friends hostage is cruelty and violation of Fundamental human right ie freedom of religion and freedom of association.

if churches or other religions used to shun and disfellowship former members I don't think jws will even have members.
If you question your imperfect gb about theirdiscouraging higher education not being biblical you get disfellowshipped and subsequently shunned

It means you have a problem comprehending the English language, what is the difference blw associate and fellowship or stop associating/disassociate(as used in the scriptures) to disfellowship? pls you have an opinion and you can keep to it, but the truth remains the truth. I'm done with this thread.