How many threads on the same topic do you folks want to bump incessantly ?


You need your own forum to thrash this out.

Pls sir I want to know according to the "act" or law in ika north-East. Who inherits a man's property when he dies without a will, survived by wife, two boys, two girls. Pls reply me

Centyellow:
Pls sir I want to know according to the "act" or law in ika north-East. Who inherits a man's property when he dies without a will, survived by wife, two boys, two girls. Pls reply me

Property is not shared to women in Ikaland but there might be an exception to this. it depends on the family, the extended family (ebon) or the clan in question. But generally women don't inherit fathers property.

I don't really know why igbos usually impose their tribe on other tribes...they are so desperate in rewriting and distorting history... ikwerre people of portharcout said they originated from Benin kingdom, igbos nor gree.. is it by force to associate with u? ika and anioma said they originated from Benin kingdom, una dey drag too...which kind people una be self? Igbos...na wa ooo

most igbo people are just ignorant and make claims they cannot substantiate , ika is an ethnic group , we are not igbo and we are not benins, although we share relationship with both benin and igbos , our surnames are often bini or ishan names and we also some times have names that are igbo , that was a result of language mixture that came from migrations from igbo and benin areas , but the original founders of ika are the benin people.that is why you see us having edo family names such as omoroje, igumbor, osagie , omorodion , ovia, obaigbena and others , we also name our villages like idumu ikeke, idumu-izomor , where i come from .the binis celebrate igue , also we the ikas celebrate igue and ikaba , ovia , and ibiewere festivals too , we also worship olokun, believe in ehi , and call God oselobue too. our culture and tradition is still predominantly of edo origin, spiced with some igbo culture and festivals too such as ikenga , iwagi and others , we still have titles such as ologbshere, ozomor, iyase , edogun, obazuaiye an others, coming to language ikas have two languages one is called ika which is a mix of edo and igbo languages and ozara which is pure edoic , spoken by people of ozanogogo in agbor , area , i my self am from idumu-izomor in owa-oyibu in ika north east of delta, and am of the royal lineage of obi igbedigin no gidigan who ruled owa as the second king in the 13th century,
let me give you a few examples of ika language-----
1. okpoho ni dodo wehe nim ayiya rielu agara hun- please lady get me the comb on that chair.
2. okenyen ni rie gbe ikpomor- this man is delaying.
3. ki okpoho oba ni rie men imughe- what is that old woman doing in side the house.
4. gi ofungbon ri imen okpan ni te ofe- use the palm oil in the plate to cook soup
you can see a mix of edo and igbo words tied together , so that is ika language, oselobue ani leying hun idoboro , iseh.

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Hi guys..I'm Ika by marriage and want to know some beautiful Ika igbo names? Can anyone please help me with that?

pazienza:
According to Stanfield (1939: , "there were
no titles in Umunede until 1919 when the
then Eze (named Niago) obtained an Ada
from Eweka, Oba of Benin." This resulted
in the first Obi title and the start of the
monarchical system like those found in
some of the Ika clans.

This is how the identity crisis and history manipulation starts. They revere the Bini empire. Seek for Oba bini protection, Oba obliges and sends them a stooge, probably a Bini one, who introduces Bini government words in the royal courts, probably marries from the natives, and soon the native starts claiming to have all migrated from Bini, simply because they have it bad for Bini, when in actual sense, they were originally republicans who spoke and still speak Igbo, but now have a foreign(Bini) leader who introduces Bini modelled monarchy with many Bini elements into the originally Igbo community, and even brings many of Edo people into the area.

But because the natives had always been Igbo, and are in majority, the. language of the whole community eventually ends up as an Igbo dialect that had become tainted with too many Bini/ edo words.

This to me, is the story of Ika and her Bini ancestry claim.

The bolded is not true. Umunede became a full autonomous kingdom in 1919 when the Ada sword was reteived from the Oba. There's always been an Eben sword which means Umunede was still under the rulership of the Oba of Bini as it has been from the beginning of Umunede. But there's always a hereditary and royal family. And the lineage of Ede is being maintained till date. The writer is limited in knowledge.

pazienza:
However, Stanfield (1936: 1) states
the following about his observations of
the Umunede people:
From legend of their origin are of Bini
descent, but in their language and social
structure they resemble closely the Ibos
of the Ogwashi and Uburukwu clans in the
Asaba Division.


Well, what are you not saying! A distorted history right from time immemorial, so much that any neutral observer would notice the Discrepancy.

A bini people that without force or push, dumped their Bini language for Igbo language, right from the first day they left Bini. This must be unprecedented in history of human groups. Kam nukwa.

observation of a white alien novice that can hardly tell the difference between Ashanti tribe of Ghana and the Igbo people of Nigeria observed a similarity between structure of Umunede and Igbo and you're happy about it. OK. Umunede is structured is one of the most Edoid in whole of Ika. He even said similar to igbos of Ogwashi. Ignorance. Ogwashi is an Aniocha town and they sometimes structure their clans like Ika hence by extension Edo.

ehikwe22:
observation of a white alien novice that can hardly tell the difference between Ashanti tribe of Ghana and the Igbo people of Nigeria observed a similarity between structure of Umunede and Igbo and you're happy about it. OK. Umunede is structured is one of the most Edoid in whole of Ika. He even said similar to igbos of Ogwashi. Ignorance. Ogwashi is an Aniocha town and they sometimes structure their clans like Ika hence by extension Edo.

You are a liar!!! Umunede doesn't have any atom of edoid structure in the dialect may be because of their proximity to Aniocha.

Klinee:
You are a liar!!! Umunede doesn't have any atom of edoid structure in the dialect may be because of their proximity to Aniocha.

Stop spewing nonsense you know nothing about. What is your basis of argument? Because a white man that can't differentiate between the GA of Ghana and Yorubas of Nigeria said Umunede is structured like the Igbos of Ogwashi. Whats igbos of Ogwashi? FYI, Ogwashi is an Aniocha town and most Aniocha towns have many Ika elements and by extension, Edo elements in the way they're structure. This white people that think they know a people more than they know themselves. Why are all their observations not always in tandem with themselves?

Umunede structure is ebon (evbo in Edo), Idumu (same in Esan) and Ogbe. Before the whole kingdoms. Stop reading senseless observations from aliens.

ehikwe22:
Stop spewing nonsense you know nothing about. What is your basis of argument? Because a white man that can't differentiate between the GA of Ghana and Yorubas of Nigeria said Umunede is structured like the Igbos of Ogwashi. Whats igbos of Ogwashi? FYI, Ogwashi is an Aniocha town and most Aniocha towns have many Ika elements and by extension, Edo elements in the way they're structure. This white people that think they know a people more than they know themselves. Why are all their observations not always in tandem with themselves?

It shows that you knows nothing about the area, just face the ika extension of Edo which you may know very well.

ehikwe22:
observation of a white alien novice that can hardly tell the difference between Ashanti tribe of Ghana and the Igbo people of Nigeria observed a similarity between structure of Umunede and Igbo and you're happy about it. OK. Umunede is structured is one of the most Edoid in whole of Ika. He even said similar to igbos of Ogwashi. Ignorance. Ogwashi is an Aniocha town and they sometimes structure their clans like Ika hence by extension Edo.

You need your head examined.

The white man is prone to being detailed by nature. By, 1930s, the identity of all ethnic groups in the Southern Nigeria were already catalogued, even a multiethinic town like Etteh in Enugu state was noted to be multiethinic in nature, they were that detailed.
They never confused small groups in the East like Andoni and Ogoni for Igbo. They are meticulous.

They smelt lies in the stories your inferiority complex plaqued fore runners were trying to sell and didn't hesitate to point it out.
Notice also that the Ibos they were comparing Umunede with, were Ibos of Enu-ani( Asaba division). They had no doubt about Ibo ethnicity of Enu-ani.

Umunede can be whatever they want to be, you lots should not think yourselves important , it's not like you are Kuwait, but that doesn't stop us from pointing out a fraudulent origin history when we see one.

ehikwe22:
The bolded is not true. Umunede became a full autonomous kingdom in 1919 when the Ada sword was reteived from the Oba. There's always been an Eben sword which means Umunede was still under the rulership of the Oba of Bini as it has been from the beginning of Umunede. But there's always a hereditary and royal family. And the lineage of Ede is being maintained till date. The writer is limited in knowledge.

But you forgot to mention that before the reception of Ada sword from Bini, the title of the traditional ruler of Umunede, who was more of a figure head than a monarchical powerful king was "Eze".

So much for a Bini people with a King with Eze as title and now Obi( another Igbo title).

pazienza:


But you forgot to mention that before the reception of Ada sword from Bini, the title of the traditional ruler of Umunede, who was more of a figure head than a monarchical powerful king was "Eze".

So much for a Bini people with a King with Eze as title and now Obi( another Igbo title).

Figure head? Stop meddling into what you know nothing about. There was no time Umunede kings were called Eze. Ask anybody from Umunede. Receiving the Ada didn't change the status of Umunede kingship. Nothing changed. It's just a matter of prestige before others Royalties in the old Edo empire. Umunede has always had a king from Ede till Agadagidi.

pazienza:



You need your head examined.

The white man is prone to being detailed by nature. By, 1930s, the identity of all ethnic groups in the Southern Nigeria were already catalogued, even a multiethinic town like Etteh in Enugu state was noted to be multiethinic in nature, they were that detailed.
They never confused small groups in the East like Andoni and Ogoni for Igbo. They are meticulous.

They smelt lies in the stories your inferiority complex plaqued fore runners were trying to sell and didn't hesitate to point it out.
Notice also that the Ibos they were comparing Umunede with, wereIbos of Enu-ani( Asaba division). They had no doubt about Ibo ethnicity of Enu-ani.

Umunede can be whatever they want to be you lots should not think yourselves important , it's not like they are Kuwait, but that doesn't stop us from pointing out a fraudulent origin history when we see one.

your inferiority complex knows no bound. The white men are known to be great liars and manipulators. They attached personal bias and prejudice in all that they do. The white men didn't smell no lies. The intelligence report on Umunede didn't dispute their Edo origin. The writer of the article the op posted here was only siting one white man and he wasn't representing the British.

Only a few can believe nonsense reports from white men that can't even write people's name and names of their communities and tribes correctly.

ehikwe22:
Figure head? Stop meddling into what you know nothing about. There was no time Umunede kings were called Eze. Ask anybody from Umunede. Receiving the Ada didn't change the status of Umunede kingship. Nothing changed. It's just a matter of prestige before others Royalties in the old Edo empire. Umunede has always had a king from Ede till Agadagidi.

"The history of Umunede dates back to 1255 A.D with Ede and Iye as its founders, Whose four children Ileje, Obi, Oba and Ile where named after  the four quarters of the town. The leadership system of this ancient town is monarchy and their initial reference/ title their king was Eze until 1919 when the HRH Obi Onyeagwu was given the royal ada (Scimitar) from Oba Eweka 11".


https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/11/concise-compendium-umunede-history/amp/


So I guess I should take the words of an anonymous nairaland character, over those of Odabemeze of Umunede, Chief Igwebuike.

Eze is the first and original word and title for kings in all Igbo speaking realms, From Igbanke to Arochukwu, and from Nsukka to Rebisi.

Every town or clan can have their peculiar title for King, ranging from Obi, Igwe, Okpala ukwu, etc to Enanchioke. But the original title remains Eze. And when you say Eze in those communities, everyone understands that you meant the king.

ehikwe22:
your inferiority complex knows no bound. The white men are known to be great liars and manipulators. They attached personal bias and prejudice in all that they do. The white men didn't smell no lies. The intelligence report on Umunede didn't dispute their Edo origin. The writer of the article the op posted here was only siting one white man and he wasn't representing the British.

The white man don't have interest in your fable edo story, your little Ika is too insignificant in the larger scheme of things for the white men to start manipulating your history.
You are the one who suffers from inferiority complex handed down to you by your ancestors.
The white man merely reported stories your fore runners handed down to them, while not failing to indicate the discrepancy between the Bini stories and Ibo Language and ways of the Ika people they met.

pazienza:


"The history of Umunede dates back to 1255 A.D with Ede and Iye as its founders, Whose four children Ileje, Obi, Oba and Ile where named after  the four quarters of the town. The leadership system of this ancient town is monarchy and their initial reference/ title their king was Eze until 1919 when the HRH Obi Onyeagwu was given the royal ada (Scimitar) from Oba Eweka 11".


https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/11/concise-compendium-umunede-history/amp/


So I guess I should take the words of an anonymous nairaland character, over those of Odabemeze of Umunede, Chief Igwebuike.

Eze is the first and original word and title for kings in all Igbo speaking realms, From Igbanke to Arochukwu, and from Nsukka to Rebisi.

Every town or clan can have their peculiar title for King, ranging from Obi, Igwe, Okpala ukwu, etc to Enanchioke. But the original title remains Eze. And when you say Eze in those communities, everyone understands that you meant the king.

if you're going by the observations of the white man, go and read the intelligence report on Umunede. What a single anonymous white man wrote doesn't supercede that of the British colonial representatives. And the opinion of the alien white men doesn't count at all as they are total strangers in African ways. Someone that studied and someone that experienced are not the same thing. And yes, the white man can have an interest in Ika and you can't never understand what their interests are. Umunede never had the title of eze. Ogele and Ogiso title existed all over Ikaland in ancient times. Stop putting your mouth into something bigger than you.

And another reason I asked you to stop putting your mouth into something bigger than you. Chief Odabemeze is a man I know personally. He's a well known strategist and con artist. A man that tried to cause war in Umunede by trying to change their costums. Tried to change Umunede from the original 4 quarters into up to 14 semi autonomous quarters and giving them names I don't know where he got them from. He set each quarters against themselves and tried to gain popularity. It took some time before the people saw through his manipulations and turned against him. He used it to fight Okowa and Agadagidi of Umunede and he was subsequently settled with a 20 million contract to renovate Ika grammar school, a contract he didn't execute. Can you debate with me on something I know very much about?

A stranger like you that think you know about my area more than me? Wonders shall never end. Do you know chief Odabemeze? Let me give you a clue. He was a one time deputy chairman of PDP under Nwodo. A right hand man of Atiku Abubakar.

ehikwe22:
if you're going by the observations of the white man, go and read the intelligence report on Umunede. What a single anonymous white man wrote doesn't supercede that of the British colonial representatives. And the opinion of the alien white men doesn't count at all as they are total strangers in African ways. Someone that studied and someone that experienced are not the same thing. And yes, the white man can have an interest in Ika and you can't never understand what their interests are. Umunede never had the title of eze. Ogele and Ogiso title existed all over Ikaland in ancient times. Stop putting your mouth into something bigger than you.

What British intelligent report do you speak of? Umunede and entire Ikaland was catalogued as Western Igbo land and not Eastern Edoland by all available British colonial report . How can you exbhit such ignorance and glory in it in a public forum such as NL?

Odabemeze of Umunede, Hon Chief Igwebuike speaks of existence of an Eze in Umunede before the emergence of first Obi in Umunede.
Even in far away Ikaland like Igbanke in Edo state, Eze remain the original title and name of king.

You are a shameless liar. I suspect you are an Oza Man. Oza Edo people in Agbor are generally at the fore front of the Edophilic campaign in Ikaland.

ehikwe22:
A stranger like you that think you know about my area more than me? Wonders shall never end. Do you know chief Odabemeze? Let me give you a clue. He was a one time deputy chairman of PDP under Nwodo. A right hand man of Atiku Abubakar.

Are saying your own words, an Edoid Oza Man, hold more truth that those of Chief Igwebuike of Umunede, on the story of Umunede origin ? A stranger from Oza like you that cannot even communicate with Igboid speaking Umunede people using your Edoid Oza language, would Now dictate the history of Umunede to a prominent Umunede elderstateman?

pazienza:


What British intelligent report do you speak of? Umunede and entire Ikaland was catalogued as Western Igbo land and not Eastern Edoland by all available British colonial report . How can you exbhit such ignorance and glory in it in a public forum such as NL?

Odabemeze of Umunede, Hon Chief Igwebuike speaks of existence of an Eze in Umunede before the emergence of first Obi in Umunede.
Even in far away Ikaland like Igbanke in Edo state, Eze remain the original title and name of king.

You are a shameless liar. I suspect you are an Oza Man. Oza Edo people in Agbor are generally at the fore front of the Edophilic campaign in Ikaland.

you assumed I'm an Oza man and the next minute I've become an Oza man. Same way you guys concoct theories this minute and they turn to fact the next minute. Typical of igbos. Earlier colonial documents referred to us as Ika speaking people. Later the people referred to Ika was extended to the Aniochas and Ukwanis. Aren't those a confuse people? And you chose to take such people serious? Intelligence report on Ika and the whole of Ika and Umunede pointed to an Edo origin.

ehikwe22:
you assumed I'm an Oza man and the next minute I've become an Oza man. Same way you guys concoct theories this minute and they turn to fact the next minute. Typical of igbos. Earlier colonial documents referred to us as Ika speaking people. Later the people referred to Ika was extended to the Aniochas and Ukwanis. Aren't those a confuse people? And you chose to take such people serious? Intelligence report on Ika and the whole of Ika and Umunede pointed to an Edo origin.

No, earlier colonial documents Refered to the area as Western Igbo.

Yes, nomenclature change over time to reflect modern reality.

From Western Ibos, to Mid west Ibos, to Bendel Ibos/Ika Ibos to Delta Ibos and now Anioma.

Change is constant.
But what remained constant too, is the Igbo nature of the region.

Yes! From my encounter on Internet, majority of the fanatic Edophilic voice in internet from Anioma come from Edoid Oza people.

There is atleast 80% chance that you are from Oza nogogo.

derancephalon:
Hi guys..I'm Ika by marriage and want to know some beautiful Ika igbo names? Can anyone please help me with that?

Ika naming patterns are so perculiar and we give names according to circumstances surrounding the birth or events that happened during the time of birth. But some general Ika names are.
Kpanmiose - thank God
Aghoghom - I rejoice or rejoice
Ighogho - happiness
Ehiedu - God's guidance
Ehikwe. God agreed
Ehiwario. I plead to God
Ehioma. Good lord.
Ehiobu. God is healer.
Ojobu. Head of the traditional healers.
Obuh. Doctor
Erunmuh. Gold.
Osemeke or Ehiemeke. Or Ehiarunka or Osearunka. God do well. These are some of the names that can go for any circumstances.
First you need to understand the concept of ehi. Ehi is the Ika version of the Igbo Chi. Firstly, Ika people started giving so many of the ehi names at the advent of Christianity and later started replacing the ehi with Chi. Any Ika person you see bearing a chi or Chukwu name is not bearing an Ika name. There's no concept of Chi and Chukwu in Ika. We have oselobue as God and ehi s Guardian Spirit or personal God.
I'll give you more names later.

ehikwe22:
Ika naming patterns are so perculiar and we give names according to circumstances surrounding the birth or events that happened during the time of birth. But some general Ika names are.
Kpanmiose - thank God
Aghoghom - I rejoice or rejoice
Ighogho - happiness
Ehiedu - God's guidance
Ehikwe. God agreed
Ehiwario. I plead to God
Ehioma. Good lord.
Ehiobu. God is healer.
Ojobu. Head of the traditional healers.
Obuh. Doctor
Erunmuh. Gold.
Osemeke or Ehiemeke. Or Ehiarunka or Osearunka. God do well. These are some of the names that can go for any circumstances.
First you need to understand the concept of ehi. Ehi is the Ika version of the Igbo Chi. Firstly, Ika people started giving so many of the ehi names at the advent of Christianity and later started replacing the ehi with Chi. Any Ika person you see bearing a chi or Chukwu name is not bearing an Ika name. There's no concept of Chi and Chukwu in Ika. We have oselobue as God and ehi s Guardian Spirit or personal God.
I'll give you more names later.

Guy, you funny o. Why would you suggest 'Head of Traditional Healers' as a name for someone (presumably a name she wants to give her child) in 2017?

RedboneSmith:


Guy, you funny o. Why would you suggest 'Head of Traditional Healers' as a name for someone (presumably a name she wants to give her child) in 2017?

Ojobu is a very popular Ika name. Ojobu is from Oje meaning king and obu which means a healer or a doctor. How's the best way to literally translate this? A head doctor? Whichever way it's interpreted, it has a very nice meaning. After all, I've seen people that their parents gave doctor as a name in Agbor.

pazienza:


No, earlier colonial documents Refered to the area as Western Igbo.

Yes, nomenclature change over time to reflect modern reality.

From Western Ibos, to Mid west Ibos, to Bendel Ibos/Ika Ibos to Delta Ibos and now Anioma.

Change is constant.
But what remained constant too, is the Igbo nature of the region.

Yes! From my encounter on Internet, majority of the fanatic Edophilic voice in internet from Anioma come from Edoid Oza people.

There is atleast 80% chance that you are from Oza nogogo.

you're confused man. But I think you're doing it deliberately. I'm talking about origin and you're talking about nomenclature which according to you can change. Or can origin change too? Because each time I mention intelligence report and Edo origin, you come with a nomenclature which are entirely two different things

ehikwe22:
Ojobu is a very popular Ika name. Ojobu is from Oje meaning king and obu which means a healer or a doctor. How's the best way to literally translate this? A head doctor? Whichever way it's interpreted, it has a very nice meaning. After all, I've seen people that their parents gave doctor as a name in Agbor.

I know the breakdown of the name. I just think it sounds funny.

By the way, have you noticed that Ika seems to sound closer to Esan than to Benin? Oje, for example, is Esan. Benin says ogie.