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Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by oaroloye(op): 2:11pm On Aug 19, 2017
SHALOM!

THIS SCRIPTURE IS USED AS THE BASIS OF CHRISTIAN TITHING:

[color=silver].[/color] MALACHI 3:8-10.

8. "Will a man rob God?
Yet ye have robbed Me,
but ye say,


'WHEREIN HAVE WE ROBBED THEE?'

In Tithes and Offerings.
9. "(Ye are) cursed with a Curse:
for ye have robbed Me,
(even) this whole nation.
10. "Bring ye all the Tithes
into the Storehouse,
that there may be Meat
in Mine House,
and prove Me now herewith,"
saith The LORD of Hosts,
"if I will not open you
The Windows of Heaven,
and pour you out such a Blessing,
that (there shall) not (be room)
enough (to receive It)."


MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS BLINDLY PAY 10% OF THEIR INCOME, ON A VAGUE INTERPRETATION OF THAT PROMISE OF AN "UNCONTAINABLE BLESSING."

No one seems to CARE, that NO ONE in the History of Full Gospel, has EVER obtained THAT Blessing!

It is like it just does not matter that these Promises of God are not functional.


[color=silver].[/color] LUKE 4:14-32.

14 And Jesus returned
in The Power of The Spirit
into Galilee:
and there went out
a fame of him
through all the region round about.
15. And he taught in their Synagogues,
being glorified of all.
16. And he came to Nazareth,
where he had been brought up:
and, as his custom was,
he went into the Synagogue
on the Sabbath day,
and stood up for to read.
17. And there was delivered unto him
the Book of the Prophet Esaias.
And when he had opened the Book,
he found the place where it was written,


18. "THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD
IS UPON ME,
BECAUSE HE HATH ANOINTED ME
TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR;
HE HATH SENT ME
TO HEAL THE BROKENHEARTED,
TO PREACH DELIVERANCE
TO THE CAPTIVES,
AND RECOVERING OF SIGHT
TO THE BLIND,
TO SET AT LIBERTY
THEM THAT ARE BRUISED,
19. "TO PREACH THE ACCEPTABLE
YEAR OF THE LORD."


20. And he closed the Book,
and he gave it again to the minister,
and sat down.
And the eyes of all them
that were in the Synagogue
were fastened on him.
21. And he began to Say unto them,

"This day is this Scripture
fulfilled in your ears.
22. And all bare him witness,
and wondered at the gracious words
which proceeded out of his mouth.
And they said,

"Is not this Joseph's son?"

23 And he said unto them,

"Ye will surely say unto me this Proverb,


'PHYSICIAN HEAL THYSELF;
WHATOEVER WE HAVE HEARD DONE
IN CAPERNAUM,
DO ALSO HERE
IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY.' "


24. And he said,

"Verily I say unto you,


'NO PROPHET IS ACCEPTED
IN HIS OWN COUNTRY'


25. "But I tell you of a Truth,

'MANY WIDOWS WERE IN ISRAEL
IN THE DAYS OF ELIAS,
WHEN THE HEAVEN WAS SHUT UP
THREE YEARS AND SIX MONTHS,
WHEN GREAT FAMINE
WAS THROUGHOUT ALL THE LAND;
26. 'BUT UNTO NONE OF THEM
WAS ELIAS SENT,
SAVE UNTO SAREPTA,
A CITY OF SIDON,
UNTO A WOMAN
THAT WAS A WIDOW.
27. 'AND MANY LEPERS WERE IN ISRAEL
IN THE TIME OF ELISEUS THE PROPHET;
AND NONE OF THEM WAS CLEANSED,
SAVING NAAMAN THE SYRIAN.' "


28. And all they in the Synagogue,
when they heard these things,
were filled with wrath,
29. And rose up,
and thrust him out of the city,
and led him unto the brow of the hill
whereon their city was built,
that they might cast him down headlong. 30. But he passing through
the midst of them
went his way,
31. And came down to Capernaum,
a city of Galilee,
and taught them
on the Sabbath days.
32. And they were astonished
at his Doctrine:
for his Word was with Power.


CHRISTIANS GENERALLY HAVE BUT A VAGUE IDEA OF WHAT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS.

Whatever vague idea of The Gospel they have is good enough for them. IT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEIR NEIGHBOURS- but they DO NOT CARE about their Neighbours- much less their ENEMIES.

The recent tragic events in SPAIN and in SIERRA LEONE (Terrorist Attack and Flood Disaster, respectively,) are the Evil Fruits of THAT Mindset.

You can be sure that a LOT of "TITHERS" lived in those regions.

You can be SURE that NO ONE will ask:

"WHY DID GOD LET THIS HAPPEN TO US,
SINCE WE ALL PAID OUR TITHES?"

These Promises are NOT taken seriously.

When someone like ME teaches SERIOUS THINGS, even TITHERS respond with COWARDICE, HATRED, ANGER, and ENVY, and REJECT The Teachings- standing MUTE while DOGS and PIGS trample on The Message- which IS The SACRED WORD OF GOD- and upon the Messenger.

Whereas, THESE were the people bringing the UNCONTAINABLE BLESSING to them!

What can be more retarded than THAT?
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by Jagermeister(m): 2:36pm On Aug 19, 2017
In a lost world like ours where everyone waits for a messiah, we live on hope and hope to live.

Truth is, we were born into this popular believe system and it has stemmed into the highest strata of the Christian doctrine.

Never condemn or try to dissuade anybody who pays their tithes.. It just might be working for them.

For me however, I'll pay my tithes to myself.

To your question, No, to each man his own. But IMO, I think it's blind loyalty.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by oaroloye(op): 3:58pm On Aug 19, 2017
SHALOM!

Jagermeister:
In a lost world like ours where everyone waits for a messiah, we live on hope and hope to live.

Truth is, we were born into this popular believe system and it has stemmed into the highest strata of the Christian doctrine.
Well, I was born into ANGLICANISM- which is a Front for Freemasonry and Roman Catholicism- and is Spiritually Dead. No one ever told ME that we should pay Tithes, nor receive any substantial Blessings.

Do not generalize without facts.

Never condemn or try to dissuade anybody who pays their tithes.. It just might be working for them.
NEVER TELL ANYONE WHAT TO DO, WITHOUT SCRIPTURAL BACKING.

I have asserted that there is NOBODY whom Tithing is "working for," but that they ALL DO IT BLINDLY, and NEVER QUESTION why it is that they DON'T receive anything like an "UNCONTAINABLE BLESSING."

For me however, I'll pay my tithes to myself.
WHY?

Why are you sponsoring a system that HAS NEVER WORKED FOR ANYONE- since SOLOMON- who made ISRAEL so RICH, they had NO TIME FOR SILVER!

To your question, No, to each man his own. But IMO, I think it's blind loyalty.
"TO EACH MAN HIS OWN" is stupidity.

People should do things because they are RIGHT.

This does not vary from person-to-person, because WE HAVE A LORD, who DIED for OUR SINS- you might have heard of him?

If you were a Christian, you would tell us what Church you subscribe to. I think you are just one of those fighting covertly against Our Foundation.

Real Christians PREACH THE WORD OF GOD, and REBUKE "TO EACH HIS OWN" Doctrines!
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by Jagermeister(m): 7:04pm On Aug 19, 2017
oaroloye:
SHALOM!



Well, I was born into ANGLICANISM- which is a Front for Freemasonry and Roman Catholicism- and is Spiritually Dead. No one ever told ME that we should pay Tithes, nor receive any substantial Blessings.

Do not generalize without facts.



NEVER TELL ANYONE WHAT TO DO, WITHOUT SCRIPTURAL BACKING.

I have asserted that there is NOBODY whom Tithing is "working for," but that they ALL DO IT BLINDLY, and NEVER QUESTION why it is that they DON'T receive anything like an "UNCONTAINABLE BLESSING."



WHY?

Why are you sponsoring a system that HAS NEVER WORKED FOR ANYONE- since SOLOMON- who made ISRAEL so RICH, they had NO TIME FOR SILVER!



"TO EACH MAN HIS OWN" is stupidity.

People should do things because they are RIGHT.

This does not vary from person-to-person, because WE HAVE A LORD, who DIED for OUR SINS- you might have heard of him?

If you were a Christian, you would tell us what Church you subscribe to. I think you are just one of those fighting covertly against Our Foundation.

Real Christians PREACH THE WORD OF GOD, and REBUKE "TO EACH HIS OWN" Doctrines!
U're a very confused person.. Where exactly do you stand and what exactly is your point?

In all your ramblings, you weren't able to drive your point home.

I don't remember telling you I was a true Christian.

You say and believe u're a Christian and you don't believe in what your Bible say about tithes. How much more twisted can you get

Correct me if I'm wrong, the Anglican Bible isn't any different from the Bible used in Christ embassy.. The Bible spoke about giving 10% to God, what are you saying?

I was born into a Methodist/Anglican family.. I've attended both churches and I occasionally still attend The former.. My parents are active members of Methodist church and they pay their tithes regularly.. So where did you get this idea of yours.

I didn't tell you that Tithing works, I said it's relative to the people who practice tithe payment... I don't pay and I personally haven't seen anyone who pays their tithes and gets rewarded instantly.

I'll repeat again.. TO EACH MAN HIS OWN.. This is why you believe in what you believe in someone else thinks u're stupid for your beliefs. Someone like me now.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by Nobody: 8:57pm On Aug 19, 2017
https://www.nairaland.com/3992671/tithing-truth-history-origin-catholic

https://www.nairaland.com/3992834/malachis-prophecy

Cc Jagermeister
Oaroloye

You guys should argue with facts
Biblically and historically
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by oaroloye(op): 10:27pm On Aug 19, 2017
SHALOM!

BlueAngel444:
https://www.nairaland.com/3992671/tithing-truth-history-origin-catholic

https://www.nairaland.com/3992834/malachis-prophecy

Cc Jagermeister
Oaroloye

You guys should argue with facts
Biblically and historically
Thank you for your contribution; however, I am not interested in what you think the "facts" concerning Tithing are- Biblically or Historically.

The only thing important about Tithing is that it is indeed the Key to a BLESSING LITERALLY UNCONTAINABLE ON THE EARTH- which is not being made available to Christians who pay their Tithes faithfully, if blindly.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by obisco4u: 11:08pm On Aug 19, 2017
I remember in 2015 when I was still a faithful tithe payer, I was saving up to buy my first laptop. I always prayed to God to only give me a laptop whenever I dropped my tithe in the basket. But guess what; that same year I lost about N50K I saved for the laptop. All my effort gone. I begged God to help me but nothing happened. Because of that I could'nt go to the university that year. 2016 I contined to pay my tithe even more faithfully by paying 11% of my income monthly plus other gifts I received beliving God for admission into the university. That same year the federal government banned Post-utme and I lost admission. At that point, I had paid N24K worth of tithe.
That brought me to the following conclusion. CHRISTIANITY AND EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS A FRAUD!
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by Nobody: 12:59am On Aug 20, 2017
In the last days shall many lunatics arise deceiving men.They shall even deceive the very elect including born again Christians .
Watch and pray that you don't fall into temptation of those lunatics disguised as atheist but are wolfs in sheep clothing looking for whom to devour. (Exp 5:1-3,Nigeria version)
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by oaroloye(op):
SHALOM!

obisco4u:
I remember in 2015 when I was still a faithful tithe payer, I was saving up to buy my first laptop. I always prayed to God to only give me a laptop whenever I dropped my tithe in the basket. But guess what; that same year I lost about N50K I saved for the laptop. All my effort gone. I begged God to help me but nothing happened.
I want to know what your Religious/Spiritual Background was, that you thought this would work.

"BEGGING" God does not work; you must be sure of your Rights for Prayer to work.

Because of that I could'nt go to the university that year. 2016 I contined to pay my tithe even more faithfully by paying 11% of my income monthly plus other gifts I received beliving God for admission into the university. That same year the federal government banned Post-utme and I lost admission. At that point, I had paid N24K worth of tithe.
I fell for this Teaching when I was in the Pentecostal "FAITH MOVEMENT."

AT THE TIME ,I WAS DEPENDENT ON DVINE HEALING TO STAY HEALTHY, SO FAITH WAS NEVER MY PROBLEM- JUST KNOWIMG EXACTLY WHAT TO BELIEVE.

The University of Life Trinitarian Pentecostals advocated GORDON LINDSAY'S "VOICE OF HEALING" Cabal.

The greatest luminary of that assembly was KENNETH ERWIN HAGIN, and his greatest follower was KENNETH COPELAND.

I devoured their media, wherever I could find it.

JERRY SAVELLE was not as popular, but as KENNETH COPELAND'S Pastor, he shared in his limelight. I did not know much about him. Someone, however, got his glossy magazine.

In it, was a Message by JERRY SAVELLE, based on this text:

[color=silver].[/color] GENESIS 26:12.

12. Then Isaac sowed in that land,
and received in the same year an hundredfold:
and The LORD Blessed him.


JERRY SAVELLE MADE THE ASTONISHING STATEMENT, THAT GOD HAD TOLD HIM- THAT GOD HAD TOLD HIM- THAT GOD HAD TOLD HIM- THAT ANYONE WHO DONATED TO HIS MINISTRY WOULD RECEIVE A ONE HUNDREDFOLD RETURN, THAT YEAR-REGARDLESS OF HOW CLOSE TO THE END OF THE YEAR THEY DONATED.

That was maybe OCTOBER 1983, or so.

I totally believed it.

"How could JERRY SAVELLE, friend of KENNETH COPLAND and KENNETH E. HAGIN be telling a LIE?" I thought to myself.

I would have TOTALLY sent him money, and expected my Hundredfold-Return, had I had the means to do so at that time.

As I thought about it, IT SUDDENLY OCCURED TO ME:

"These people believe in Divine Prosperity better than anyone: WHY DON'T THEY DONATE A 1/% FRACTION OF THEIR NEEDS TO OTHER CHURCHES- then they wouldn't need to be begging for money all the time?"

After every tape massage, there would usually be a call for donations.

It was sort of irritating.

I had been out of Organized Christianity for many years, before I learned the actual reason for this:

Doctor GENE SCOTT, who had a Ministry called THE UNIVERSITY NETWORK on WWCR was lambasting Christians who donated money to the Church, THEN ENTERED THE TRANSACTION ON THEIR INCOME TAX FORM!

He said that they were violating The Lord's Commandment:

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 6:1-4.

"Take heed that ye do not
your alms before men,
to be seen of them:
otherwise ye have no Reward
of your Father
Which is in Heaven.
2. "Therefore when thou
doest thine alms,
do not sound a trumpet
before thee,
as the Hypocrites do
in the Synagogues
and in the streets,
that they may have glory of men.
Verily I say unto you,


'THEY HAVE THEIR REWARD.'

3. "But when thou doest alms,
let not thy left hand know
what thy right hand doeth:
4. "That thine alms may be in secret:
and thy Father Which Seeth
in secret Himself
shall Reward thee openly."


IT HAD ALWAYS BOTHERED ME, THAT NO ONE EVER TALKED ABOUT THAT!

But I had never suspected that American Christians routinely DONATED MONEY TO THE CHURCHES- then REPORTED their donation to the GOVERNMENT!

The reason for that was that THEIR DONATION TO A GOVERNMENT-ACCREDITED Religion would be REFUNDED!

These Religious Groups recognized by the Government are given TAX-EXEMPT status, IF they adhere to Government Guidelines: for instance, WHAT they can preach. Also, THEY MUST NEVER SHOW A PROFIT.

That is the Secret behind their "FREE" DONATIONS- Magazines, Tapes, etc.

They have to give this stuff away, to AVOID makinga PROFIT!

Where you see Americans donating to their churches, it does not mean that they are being generous.

That brought me to the following conclusion. CHRISTIANITY AND EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS A FRAUD!
This is a stupid conclusion to arrive at.

You KNOW you did not fulfil all the conditions required to grant your prayers!

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

As a Christian, IT IS MY JOB to Judge Knowledge from around the World, keep and use the Good, and Discard that which is Bad.

Only a Christian who have built upon the ROCK FOUNDATION OF YAHSHUA can do this.

Those who do not know nor obey The Teachings of Yahshua have no base from which to evaluate Truthfully and Righteously.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things
whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them:
for this is The Law and The Prophets.
13. "Enter ye in at The Strait Gate:
for wide is the Gate,
and broad is the way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be which go in thereat:
14. "Because strait is the Gate,
and narrow is The Way,
which leadeth unto Life,
and few there be that find it.
15. "Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every Good Tree
bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a Corrupt Tree
bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree cannot
bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree
bring forth Good Fruit.
19. "Every tree that
bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down,
and cast into the Fire.
20 Wherefore by their Fruits
ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one
that saith unto me,
'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into
The Kingdom of Heaven;
but He that doeth
The Will of my Father
Which is in Heaven.
22 Many will say to me
in That Day,


'LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT
PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?
AND IN THY NAME
HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME
DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?'


23. "And then will I profess unto them,

'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'


24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth Them,
I will liken him unto a Wise Man,
which built his house upon a rock:
25. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell not:
for it was founded upon a rock.
26 . "And every one that heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a Foolish Man,
which built his house upon the sand:
27. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell:
and great was the fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had ended these Sayings,
the people were astonished
at his Doctrine:
29. For He taught them
as one having authority,
and not as the scribes.
HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SOULFULLY SING: "I SURRENDER ALL! I SURRENDER ALL!" IN THAT YOUR CHURCH?

Everybody loves THAT song- until they have to ACTUALLY SURRENDER SOMETHING: they sing differently, then.

You KNOW that the Lord Yahshua SAID that you MUST BEWARE of WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING.

Why were you acting SURPRISED and OFFENDED, when you actually MET SOME?

You are complaining, because it BIT YOUR MOJO OFF? What did you THINK it was going to DO- give you a Mouth Gig?

The JOB of the WOLF is to IMPROVE THE HERD by REMOVING the members who CANNOT KEEP UP.

YOU PRAYED FOR GOD TO GIVE YOU A LAPTOP (because He keeps Laptops in Heaven, don't'chaknow!) DID YOU PRAY FIR HIM TO GIVE ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS LAPTOPS? Did you pray for Him to give Laptops to OTHER PEOPLE YOU KNEW NEEDED LAPTOPS? Did you Pray for Him to give Laptops to STRANGERS? Did you Pray for God to give Laptops to YOUR ENEMIES?

I ENJOYED FIVE YEARS OF DIVINE HEALTH.

I was Healed of Chronic Malaria, Common Cold, and Headache consistently through my Organized Church membership- whereas NO ONE ELSE IN THE WHOLE FELLOWSHIP (of the Unife Joint Christian Fellowship, University of Life, Ile-Ife,) HAD A TESTIMONY LIKE MINE- they were ALL HYPOCRITES who USED MEDICAL TREATMENT when they were ILL- just in case GOD FAILED THEM.

THROWING AWAY MEDICINE is NOT what makes your Faith Work, but the LOVE OF GOD that gives the CONFIDENCE that GOD HEARD YOUR PRAYER, regardless of HOW YOU FEEL, and CANNOT let you down.

Very many SERIOUSLY-ILL Christians have put aside their medications, and DIED MISERABLY.

OTHERS have done the same, AND LIVED.

DOING THINGS BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE DID THEM, AND SUCCEEDED, IS CALLED "EMULATION."

There is SPIRITUAL EMULATION and CARNAL EMULATION.

ScienceWatch:
The Holy Prophet TB Joshua says, "It is a sin for sick people to go into a church of CHRIST and go home the same."
oaroloye:
[color=silver].[/color]     DEUTERONOMY 29:18-29.

18. Lest there should be among you
man, or woman, or family, or tribe,
whose heart turneth away this day
from The LORD our God,
to go and serve the gods of these nations;
lest there should be among you a root
that beareth gall and wormwood;
19. And it come to pass,
when he heareth the Words of this Curse,
that he bless himself in his heart,
saying,


"I SHALL HAVE PEACE,
THOUGH I WALK IN THE IMAGINATION
OF MINE HEART,
TO ADD DRUNKENNESS TO THIRST:"


20. The LORD will not spare him,
but then The Anger of The LORD
and His Jealousy shall smoke against that man,
and all The Curses that are written in this Book
shall lie upon him,
and the LORD shall blot out his name
from under Heaven.
21. And The LORD shall separate him unto Evil
out of all the Tribes of Israel,
according to all the Curses of the Covenant
that are written in this Book of the Law:
22. So that the Generation to come
of your children that shall rise up after you,
and the stranger that shall come from a far land,
shall say, when they see the Plagues of that land,
and the Sicknesses which The LORD hath laid upon it;
23. And that the whole land thereof
is brimstone, and salt, and burning,
that it is not sown,
nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein,
like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah,
Admah, and Zeboim,
which the LORD overthrew in His Anger,
and in His Wrath:
24. Even all nations shall say,


"WHEREFORE HATH THE LORD
DONE THUS UNTO THIS LAND?
WHAT MEANETH THE HEAT
OF THIS GREAT ANGER?"


25. Then men shall say,

"BECAUSE THEY HAVE FORSAKEN THE COVENANT
OF THE LORD GOD OF THEIR FATHERS,
WHICH HE MADE WITH THEM
WHEN HE BROUGHT THEM FORTH
OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT:
26. "FOR THEY WENT AND SERVED OTHER GODS,
AND WORSHIPPED THEM,
GODS WHOM THEY KNEW NOT,
AND WHOM HE HAD NOT GIVEN UNTO THEM:
27. "AND THE ANGER OF THE LORD
WAS KINDLED AGAINST THIS LAND,
TO BRING UPON IT ALL THE CURSES
THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK:
28. "AND THE LORD ROOTED THEM
OUT OF THEIR LAND IN ANGER,
AND IN WRATH,
AND IN GREAT INDIGNATION,
AND CAST THEM INTO ANOTHER LAND,
AS IT IS THIS DAY."


29. The Secret (Things belong)
unto The LORD our God:
but those (Things which are)
revealed belong unto us
and to our Children for ever,
that we may do all
The Words of This Law.


[color=silver].[/color]   MATTHEW 12:41-45.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
because they repented
at the Preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a Greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South
shall rise up in the Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
for she came from
The Uttermost Parts of the Earth
to hear The Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a Greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,


'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'


and when he is come, he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he, and taketh with himself
seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."


THOSE WHO ARE "BY THE WAYSIDE" and "ON THE ROCK" will LOSE WHATEVER is GIVEN them, AND SATAN WILL TAKE IT FROM THEM.
I was at a loss to explain why MY Faith should work, while OTHER CHRISTIANS with access to THE SAME "FAITH MEFIA" as me GOT ZERO (even NEGATIVE,) results.

It was not until recently that I realized that I would have been the ONLY ONE in ALL the Fellowships who spent MORE time Praying for OTHER people's Heath, than HIS OWN.


[color=silver].[/color] LUKE 18:9-17.

9. And he spake this Parable unto certain
which trusted in themselves
that they were Righteous,
and despised others:
10. Two men went up
into the Temple to pray;
the one a Pharisee,
and the other a Publican.
11. The Pharisee stood
and prayed thus with himself,


'GOD, I THANK THEE,
THAT I AM NOT AS OTHER MEN ARE,
EXTORTIONERS, UNJUST, ADULTERERS,
OR EVEN AS THIS PUBLICAN.
12. 'I FAST TWICE IN THE WEEK,
I GIVE TITHES OF ALL I POSSESS.'


13. "And the Publican,
standing afar off,
would not lift up
so much as his eyes
unto Heaven,
but smote upon his breast,
saying,


' GOD BE MERCIFUL
TO ME
A SINNER,'


14. "I tell you,

' THIS MAN WENT DOWN TO HIS HOUSE
JUSTIFIED RATHER THAN THE OTHER:'


for every one that exalteth himself
shall be abased;
and he that humbleth himself
shall be exalted."
15. And they brought unto him also infants,
that he would touch them:
but when his Disciples saw it,
they rebuked them.
16. But Jesus called them unto him,
and said,
"Suffer little children
to come unto me,
and forbid them not:
for of such is
The Kingdom of God.
17. "Verily I say unto you,


'WHOSOEVER SHALL NOT
RECEIVE THE KINGDOM OF GOD
AS A LITTLE CHILD
SHALL IN NO WISE
ENTER THEREIN.' "


I BELIEVED that God had Healed ME through MY FAITH: why then, should I withhold that Healing Power from others who needed It? Whose LIVES might depend on that Healing? Even, people I had NEVER MET, and EXPECTED NOTHING from?

It NEVER OCCURRED to me that I might be WASTING MY TIME, or that "maybe God doesn't want me to pray for those people."

Therefore, I never had any "CRISIS-OF-FAITH," because I used my Faith EVERY DAY- so that It was there for ME when I needed It for ME.

ONE OF THE MOST STUPUD ABUSES OF PRAYER, IN MY OPINION, IS PRAYER FOR SCHOOL ADMISSION, AND "EMPLOYMENT!"

That is PRAYER for GOD: THE LIBERATOR, to make you a SLAVE.

If you believed that God can give you a LAPTOP, why couldn't you pray for Him to GIVE YOU THE KNOWLEDGE to CREATE a Laptop? Why didn't you Pray for a LAPTOP FACTORY?

You only went to Churches that taught you to use COVETOUSNESS to ENSLAVE and IMPRISON yourself.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by tayo399(m): 1:30am On Aug 20, 2017
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Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by Nobody: 7:41am On Aug 20, 2017
The truth is that a Christian has no business with tithe,Tithe was under the Mosaic law that it was used and tithes are never paid with Money neither was it done every Sunday
There are two types of Tithe as written in the Scripture and they are
Yearly Tithe and Year of Tithing (3yrs tithe) go and read Deuteronomy 26:12-15 there u will see how to pay the tithe of 3yrs
And as I said earlier Tithe is never paid with money look at things they use in paying tithe Leviticus 27:30
All the tithes of the,whether of seed of the land,or of the fruit of the trees is the Lords: it is holy unto the Lord and it went ahead to shortlist
Flocks and everything that passeth unto thy staff
Then in Deuteronomy 14:22-30 another list was made

Thou shall truly tithe all the increase of thy SEEDS(not money),that the field bringeth forth yearly (not every Sunday)
and the things required are
Seeds, Corn,Thy wine,and thine Oil,and the firstlings of thy herds
I corn can go on and on
but in Christ look at what they said in Hebrew 7:17-18 about tithe and the Laws
17:For he Testifieth,Thou art a Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek
18:For there is Very a disannulling of the Commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof
19:For the Law made nothing perfect
I know u will quote Malachi 3:10 but that same place said Children of Jacob (let me ask you are you a Child of Jacob)You re a Gentile and you have no business with tithe and it is even written in Numbers 18:6-7
And the Stranger that Cometh high shall be put to death





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Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by obisco4u: 8:17am On Aug 20, 2017
oaroloye:
SHALOM!



I want to know what your Religious/Spiritual Background was, that you thought this would work.

"BEGGING" God does not work; you must be sure of your Rights for Prayer to work.



I fell for this Teaching when I was in the Pentecostal "FAITH MOVEMENT."

AT THE TIME ,I WAS DEPENDENT ON DVINE HEALING TO STAY HEALTHY, SO FAITH WAS NEVER MY PROBLEM- JUST KNOWIMG EXACTLY WHAT TO BELIEVE.

The University of Life Trinitarian Pentecostals advocated GORDON LINDSAY'S "VOICE OF HEALING" Cabal.

The greatest luminary of that assembly was KENNETH ERWIN HAGIN, and his greatest follower was KENNETH COPELAND.

I devoured their media, wherever I could find it.

JERRY SAVELLE was not as popular, but as KENNETH COPELAND'S Pastor, he shared in his limelight. I did not know much about him. Someone, however, got his glossy magazine.

In it, was a Message by JERRY SAVELLE, based on this text:

[color=silver].[/color] GENESIS 26:12.

12. Then Isaac sowed in that land,
and received in the same year an hundredfold:
and The LORD Blessed him.


JERRY SAVELLE MADE THE ASTONISHING STATEMENT, THAT GOD HAD TOLD HIM- THAT GOD HAD TOLD HIM- THAT GOD HAD TOLD HIM- THAT ANYONE WHO DONATED TO HIS MINISTRY WOULD RECEIVE A ONE HUNDREDFOLD RETURN, THAT YEAR-REGARDLESS OF HOW CLOSE TO THE END OF THE YEAR THEY DONATED.

That was maybe OCTOBER 1983, or so.

I totally believed it.

"How could JERRY SAVELLE, friend of KENNETH COPLAND and KENNETH E. HAGIN be telling a LIE?" I thought to myself.

I would have TOTALLY sent him money, and expected my Hundredfold-Return, had I had the means to do so at that time.

As I thought about it, IT SUDDENLY OCCURED TO ME:

"These people believe in Divine Prosperity better than anyone: WHY DON'T THEY DONATE A 1/% FRACTION OF THEIR NEEDS TO OTHER CHURCHES- then they wouldn't need to be begging for money all the time?"

After every tape massage, there would usually be a call for donations.

It was sort of irritating.

I had been out of Organized Christianity for many years, before I learned the actual reason for this:

Doctor GENE SCOTT, who had a Ministry called THE UNIVERSITY NETWORK on WWCR was lambasting Christians who donated money to the Church, THEN ENTERED THE TRANSACTION ON THEIR INCOME TAX FORM!

He said that they were violating The Lord's Commandment:

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 6:1-4.

"Take heed that ye do not
your alms before men,
to be seen of them:
otherwise ye have no Reward
of your Father
Which is in Heaven.
2. "Therefore when thou
doest thine alms,
do not sound a trumpet
before thee,
as the Hypocrites do
in the Synagogues
and in the streets,
that they may have glory of men.
Verily I say unto you,


'THEY HAVE THEIR REWARD.'

3. "But when thou doest alms,
let not thy left hand know
what thy right hand doeth:
4. "That thine alms may be in secret:
and thy Father Which Seeth
in secret Himself
shall Reward thee openly."


IT HAD ALWAYS BOTHERED ME, THAT NO ONE EVER TALKED ABOUT THAT!

But I had never suspected that American Christians routinely DONATED MONEY TO THE CHURCHES- then REPORTED their donation to the GOVERNMENT!

The reason for that was that THEIR DONATION TO A GOVERNMENT-ACCREDITED Religion would be REFUNDED!

These Religious Groups recognized by the Government are given TAX-EXEMPT status, IF they adhere to Government Guidelines: for instance, WHAT they can preach. Also, THEY MUST NEVER SHOW A PROFIT.

That is the Secret behind their "FREE" DONATIONS- Magazines, Tapes, etc.

They have to give this stuff away, to AVOID makinga PROFIT!

Where you see Americans donating to their churches, it does not mean that they are being generous.



This is a stupid conclusion to arrive at.

You KNOW you did not fulfil all the conditions required to grant your prayers!



HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SOULFULLY SING: "I SURRENDER ALL! I SURRENDER ALL!" IN THAT YOUR CHURCH?

Everybody loves THAT song- until they have to ACTUALLY SURRENDER SOMETHING: they sing differently, then.

You KNOW that the Lord Yahshua SAID that you MUST BEWARE of WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING.

Why were you acting SURPRISED and OFFENDED, when you actually MET SOME?

You are complaining, because it BIT YOUR MOJO OFF? What did you THINK it was going to DO- give you a Mouth Gig?

The JOB of the WOLF is to IMPROVE THE HERD by REMOVING the members who CANNOT KEEP UP.

YOU PRAYED FOR GOD TO GIVE YOU A LAPTOP (because He keeps Laptops in Heaven, don't'chaknow!) DID YOU PRAY FIR HIM TO GIVE ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS LAPTOPS? Did you pray for Him to give Laptops to OTHER PEOPLE YOU KNEW NEEDED LAPTOPS? Did you Pray for Him to give Laptops to STRANGERS? Did you Pray for God to give Laptops to YOUR ENEMIES?

I ENJOYED FIVE YEARS OF DIVINE HEALTH.

I was Healed of Chronic Malaria, Common Cold, and Headache consistently through my Organized Church membership- whereas NO ONE ELSE IN THE WHOLE FELLOWSHIP (of the Unife Joint Christian Fellowship, University of Life, Ile-Ife,) HAD A TESTIMONY LIKE MINE- they were ALL HYPOCRITES who USED MEDICAL TREATMENT when they were ILL- just in case GOD FAILED THEM.

THROWING AWAY MEDICINE is NOT what makes your Faith Work, but the LOVE OF GOD that gives the CONFIDENCE that GOD HEARD YOUR PRAYER, regardless of HOW YOU FEEL, and CANNOT let you down.

Very many SERIOUSLY-ILL Christians have put aside their medications, and DIED MISERABLY.

OTHERS have done the same, AND LIVED.

DOING THINGS BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE DID THEM, AND SUCCEEDED, IS CALLED "EMULATION."

There is SPIRITUAL EMULATION and CARNAL EMULATION.





I was at a loss to explain why MY Faith should work, while OTHER CHRISTIANS with access to THE SAME "FAITH MEFIA" as me GOT ZERO (even NEGATIVE,) results.

It was not until recently that I realized that I would have been the ONLY ONE in ALL the Fellowships who spent MORE time Praying for OTHER people's Heath, than HIS OWN.

[color=silver].[/color] LUKE 18:9-17.

9. And he spake this Parable unto certain
which trusted in themselves
that they were Righteous,
and despised others:
10. Two men went up
into the Temple to pray;
the one a Pharisee,
and the other a Publican.
11. The Pharisee stood
and prayed thus with himself,


'GOD, I THANK THEE,
THAT I AM NOT AS OTHER MEN ARE,
EXTORTIONERS, UNJUST, ADULTERERS,
OR EVEN AS THIS PUBLICAN.
12. 'I FAST TWICE IN THE WEEK,
I GIVE TITHES OF ALL I POSSESS.'


13. "And the Publican,
standing afar off,
would not lift up
so much as his eyes
unto Heaven,
but smote upon his breast,
saying,


' GOD BE MERCIFUL
TO ME
A SINNER,'


14. "I tell you,

' THIS MAN WENT DOWN TO HIS HOUSE
JUSTIFIED RATHER THAN THE OTHER:'


for every one that exalteth himself
shall be abased;
and he that humbleth himself
shall be exalted."
15. And they brought unto him also infants,
that he would touch them:
but when his Disciples saw it,
they rebuked them.
16. But Jesus called them unto him,
and said,
"Suffer little children
to come unto me,
and forbid them not:
for of such is
The Kingdom of God.
17. "Verily I say unto you,


'WHOSOEVER SHALL NOT
RECEIVE THE KINGDOM OF GOD
AS A LITTLE CHILD
SHALL IN NO WISE
ENTER THEREIN.' "


I BELIEVED that God had Healed ME through MY FAITH: why then, should I withhold that Healing Power from others who needed It? Whose LIVES might depend on that Healing? Even, people I had NEVER MET, and EXPECTED NOTHING from?

It NEVER OCCURRED to me that I might be WASTING MY TIME, or that "maybe God doesn't want me to pray for those people."

Therefore, I never had any "CRISIS-OF-FAITH," because I used my Faith EVERY DAY- so that It was there for ME when I needed It for ME.

ONE OF THE MOST STUPUD ABUSES OF PRAYER, IN MY OPINION, IS PRAYER FOR SCHOOL ADMISSION, AND "EMPLOYMENT!"

That is PRAYER for GOD: THE LIBERATOR, to make you a SLAVE.

If you believed that God can give you a LAPTOP, why couldn't you pray for Him to GIVE YOU THE KNOWLEDGE to CREATE a Laptop? Why didn't you Pray for a LAPTOP FACTORY?

You on.y went to Churches that taught you to use COVETOUSNESS to ENSLAVE and IMPRISON yourself.
In a perfect world, my prayers would have been answered. No wonder Lucifer rebelled against God. All his conditions are insane!
Imagine standing on the moon and glancing on the earth. You see all the madness and disorder in the world and you tell me that its was created by a intelligent and Supreme being. I have had enough of all your insane Christian lies.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by gentlegenius(m): 8:19am On Aug 20, 2017
obisco4u:
I remember in 2015 when I was still a faithful tithe payer, I was saving up to buy my first laptop. I always prayed to God to only give me a laptop whenever I dropped my tithe in the basket. But guess what; that same year I lost about N50K I saved for the laptop. All my effort gone. I begged God to help me but nothing happened. Because of that I could'nt go to the university that year. 2016 I contined to pay my tithe even more faithfully by paying 11% of my income monthly plus other gifts I received beliving God for admission into the university. That same year the federal government banned Post-utme and I lost admission. At that point, I had paid N24K worth of tithe.
That brought me to the following conclusion. CHRISTIANITY AND EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS A FRAUD!
Brother... I believe your story. It is very possible that you can be paying tithes expecting a blessing from God and yet that blessing never happen. I also agree with you that Christianity as a religion is fraud and a complete scam. Let me tell you the truth: The Bible is true. But here is the reason why you paid your tithes so faithfully without receiving any blessing from God: There is a difference between working for the church and working for God. When you were paying those tithes, you were doing it for the church and not God. There's only one way you can do something directly to God- "Whatsoever you do to the least of thy brethren, that, you are doing unto God"
Have you heard that scripture before? When you give your hard earned money to churches in the name of tithe, such money, if not embezzled by end time pastors, will go into church projects and other things that doesn't even concern God. But when you give it directly to the poor and needy, you are acting in line with both celestial principles and universal principles. The Universal Law of Gratitude says that the more you assist others, the more you are assisting yourself. This law works even for those who don't know God.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by DeSepiero(m): 8:42am On Aug 20, 2017
oaroloye, could you briefly say why tithe is collected in the contemporary church?
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by oaroloye(op): 11:50am On Aug 20, 2017
SHALOM!

obisco4u:
In a perfect world, my prayers would have been answered.
What did YOU ever DO to be a PERFECT MEMBER of this IMPERFECT World? Or what did you ever DO to MAKE the World PERFECT?

I now realize that you are a FAKE EX-CHRISTIAN, because every "Faith" Christian knows of the time PROPHET DANIEL prayed for Knowledge, and an Angel was dispatched to answer his Prayer, but an ANGEL OF SATAN intercepted that Angel, and BLOCKED HIS PATH, until ANGEL MICHAEL stepped in and dealt with him, so that Daniel's Angel could reach him.

[color=silver].[/color] [b]DANIEL 10:7-21.


7. And I Daniel alone saw the Vision:
for the men that were with me
saw not the Vision;
but a great quaking fell upon them,
so that they fled to hide themselves.
8. Therefore I was left alone,
and saw this great Vision,
and there remained
no strength in me:
for my comeliness
was turned in me into corruption,
and I retained no strength.
9. Yet heard I the Voice of his Words:
and when I heard the Voice of his Words,
then was I in a deep sleep on my face,
and my face toward the ground.
10. And, behold,
an hand touched me,
which set me upon my knees
and upon the palms of my hands.
11. And he said unto me,

"O Daniel,
a man greatly beloved,
understand the Words
that I speak unto thee,
and stand upright:
for unto thee am I now sent."

And when he had spoken
this Word unto me,
I stood trembling.
12. Then said he unto me,

"Fear not, Daniel:
for from the first day
that thou didst set thine heart
to understand,
and to chasten thyself
before thy God,
thy words were heard,
and I am come for thy Words.
13. But the Prince
of the kingdom of Persia
withstood me one and twenty days:
but, lo, Michael,
one of the chief Princes,
came to help me;
and I remained there
with the kings of Persia.
14. "Now I am come
to make thee understand
what shall befall thy people
in the Latter Days:
for yet the Vision
is for many days."

15. And when he had spoken
such words unto me,
I set my face toward the ground,
and I became dumb.
16. And, behold,
one like the similitude
of the Sons of Men touched my lips:
then I opened my mouth,
and spake,
and said unto him
that stood before me,

"O my lord,
by the Vision my sorrows
are turned upon me,
and I have retained no strength.
17. "For how can the servant
of this my lord talk
with this my lord?
For as for me,
straightway there remained
no strength in me,
neither is there breath
left in me."

18. Then there came again
and touched me
one like the appearance of a man,
and he strengthened me,
19. And said,

"O man greatly beloved,
fear not:
peace be unto thee,
be strong,
yea, be strong."

And when he had spoken unto me,
I was strengthened,
and said,

"Let my lord speak;
for thou hast strengthened me."

20. Then said he,

"Knowest thou wherefore
I come unto thee?
And now will I return
to fight with the Prince of Persia:
and when I am gone forth,
lo, the Prince of Grecia shall come.
21. "But I will shew thee
that which is noted
in The Scripture of Truth:
and there is none
that holdeth with me
in these things,
but Michael your Prince."


THEREFORE, NO FORMER CHRISTIANS WOULD EVER DARE SPEAK SO BLASPHEMOUSLY AGAINST THE MOST HIGH GOD, AS YOU HAVE SPOKEN, FOR SUCH A PETTY REASON!

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 8:1-6.

ALL The Commandments
which I Command thee this day
shall ye observe to do,
that ye may live,
and multiply,
and go in and possess
the land which The LORD sware
unto your fathers.
2. And thou shalt remember
all the Way
which The LORD thy God
led thee these forty years
in the Wilderness,
to humble thee,
(and) to prove thee,
to know what was in thine heart,
whether thou wouldest
keep His Commandments,
or no.
3. And He humbled thee,
and suffered thee to hunger,
and fed thee with manna,
which thou knewest not,
neither did thy fathers know;
that He might
make thee know that


MAN DOTH NOT LIVE
BY BREAD ONLY,
BUT BY EVERY (WORD)
THAT PROCEEDETH
OUT OF THE MOUTH
OF THE LORD
DOTH MAN LIVE.


4. Thy raiment
waxed not old upon thee,
neither did thy foot swell,
these forty years.
5. Thou shalt also consider
in thine heart,


"THAT, AS A MAN
CHASTENETH HIS SON,
(SO) THE LORD THY GOD
CHASTENETH THEE."


6. Therefore thou shalt
keep The Commandments
of The LORD thy God,
to walk in His Ways,
and to fear Him.


[color=silver].[/color] JOB 28:28.

28. And unto Man he said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "


[color=silver].[/color] JOB 39:14-18.

13. "(Gavest thou) the goodly wings
unto the peacocks,
or wings and feathers
unto the ostrich?
14. "Which leaveth her eggs
in the earth,
and warmeth them in dust,
15. "And forgetteth that the foot
may crush them,
or that the wild beast
may break them.
16. "She is hardened against
her young ones,
as though (they were) not her's:
her labour is in vain
without fear;


17. "BECAUSE GOD HATH
DEPRIVED HER OF WISDOM,
NEITHER HATH HE
IMPARTED TO HER UNDERSTANDING."


18. "What time she lifteth up
herself on high,
she scorneth the horse
and his rider."


[color=silver].[/color] ISAIAH 55:6-11.

6. Seek ye The LORD
while He may be found,
call ye upon Him
while He is near.
7. Let the Wicked
forsake his way,
and the Unrighteous man
his thoughts:
and let him return
unto The LORD,
and He will have Mercy
upon him;
and to our God,
for He will abundantly Pardon.


8. "FOR MY THOUGHTS
(ARE) NOT YOUR THOUGHTS,
NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS
MY WAYS," saith The LORD.
9. "FOR (AS) THE HEAVENS
ARE HIGHER THAN THE EARTH,
SO ARE MY WAYS
HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS,
AND MY THOUGHTS
THAN YOUR THOUGHTS.


10. "For as the rain cometh down,
and the snow from Heaven,
and returneth not thither,
but watereth the Earth,
and maketh it bring forth
and bud,
that it may give seed to the Sower,
and bread to the Eater:
11. "So shall My Word be
that goeth forth
out of My Mouth:
It shall not return
unto Me void,
but It shall accomplish that
which I please,
and It shall prosper
(in the thing) whereto
I sent It."


WE NEED TO LET GOD'S THINKING AND GOD'S WAYS REPLACE OUR OWN, IF WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND HIM AND HIS KINGDOM.

We are at WAR with The Kingdom of Satan, and are either HIS MINIONS, SLAVES, and PRISONERS, or else we are YAHWEH GOD'S SERVANTS AND SOLDIERS.

As soon as we step out of The Darkness, we become ENEMY COMBATANTS against THE DEVIL, and he will throw everything he can throw at us, to bring us down, BECAUSE HIS WHOLE OPERATION, AND HIS LIFE, ARE IN MORTAL JEOPARDY, should we enter into our DIVINE HERITAGE.

No wonder Lucifer rebelled against God. All his conditions are insane!
According to the LUCIFER LEGEND, everything was FINE- until HE bleeped EVERYTHING UP. The IMPERFECTIONS in the World CAME FROM HIM.

Only a FOOL would sympathize with LUCIFER!

[color=silver].[/color] LUKE 10:17-24.

17. And the seventy returned again
with joy, saying,

"Lord, even the Devils
are subject unto us
through thy Name."

18. And he Said unto them,

"I beheld Satan as lightning
fall from Heaven.
19. "Behold, I give unto you
Power to tread on Serpents and Scorpions,
and over all the Power of the Enemy:
and nothing shall by any means
hurt you.
20. "Notwithstanding in this
rejoice not, that the spirits
are subject unto you;
but rather rejoice,
because your Names
are written in Heaven."

21. In that hour
Jesus rejoiced in spirit,
and Said,

"I thank thee,
O Father,
LORD of Heaven and Earth,
that thou hast hid these things
from the Wise and Prudent,
and hast revealed them unto Babes:
even so, Father;
for so it seemed Good in Thy Sight.
22. "All things are delivered to me
of my Father:
and no man knoweth who The Son is,
but The Father;
and who The Father is,
but The Son,
and he to whom
The Son will reveal Him."
23. And he turned him
unto his Disciples,
and said privately,
"Blessed are the eyes
which see the things
that ye see:
24. "For I tell you,


'THAT MANY PROPHETS AND KINGS
HAVE DESIRED
TO SEE THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.' "


THERE IS NO BIBLICAL PROOF THAT SATAN WAS AN ANGELIC BEING FROM THE BEGINNING.

That is what the OCCULTISTS say, and OCCULTISM is UNRELIABLE.

The Implication, borne out by NAGUALISM and SCIENTOLOGY findings, is that THE DEVIL IS AN EARTHLY BEING, who gained HEAVENLY ATTRIBUTES by STEALING them from MANKIND through a TOTALLY FAIR AND JUST MEANS.

Namely, that, as the MASTER of Mankind, whatever belonged to his SLAVES belongs also to HIM- and he, BY THIS PRINCIPLE, can DENY HIS SLAVES THEIR DIVINE RIGHTS AND POWERS.

This acquisition of Powers and Rights is VERY LOOSELY ATTACHED: if Satan ever LOSES Mastery of Mankind, he loses that Power, and IT GOES TO THOSE HUMANS ON EARTH HE DOES NOT CONTROL.

[color=silver].[/color] JOB 1:6-12.

6. Now there came a day
when The Sons of God
came to present themselves
before The LORD,
and Satan came also
among them.
7. And The LORD Said
unto Satan,

"Whence comest thou?"

Then Satan answered The LORD,
and said,

"From going to and fro
in the Earth,
and from walking
up and down in It."

8. And The LORD Said
unto Satan,

"Hast thou considered
My Servant Job,
that (there is) none like him
in the Earth,
a perfect and an upright man,
one that Feareth God,
and Escheweth Evil?"

9. Then Satan answered The LORD,
and said,

"Doth Job Fear God for naught?
10. "Hath not Thou made
an Hedge about him,
and about his House,
and about all that he hath
on every side?
Thou hast Blessed
the Work of his hands,
and his substance
is increased in the land.
11. "But put forth Thine Hand now,
and touch all that he hath,
and he will curse Thee
to Thy Face."

12. And The LORD Said unto Satan,

"Behold, all that he hath
(is) in thine Power,
only upon himself
put not thine hand."

So Satan went forth
from The Presence of The LORD.


THAT IS WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH SATAN IN THE BOOK OF JOB.

Do you think Satan WANTED to LEAVE HEAVEN? According to MY unique Revelation, God TOLD him that he didn't have the RIGHT to stay there in Heaven, until he had PROVEN himself the MASTER of JOB.

Imagine standing on the moon and glancing on the earth. You see all the madness and disorder in the world and you tell me that its was created by a intelligent and Supreme being.
[color=silver].[/color]   MATTHEW 13:1-23.

THE same day went Jesus
out of the house,
and sat by the sea side.
2. And great multitudes
were gathered together unto him,
so that he went into a ship,
and sat;
and the whole multitude
stood on the shore.
3. And he spake many things unto them
in Parables,
Saying,

"Behold, a Sower
went forth to sow;

4. "And when he sowed,
some seeds fell
by the way side,
and the fowls came and devoured them up:

5. "Some fell upon stony places,
where they had not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had no deepness of earth:
6. "And when the Sun was up,
they were scorched;
and because they had no root,
they withered away.

7. "And some fell among thorns;
and the thorns sprung up,
and choked them:

8. "But other fell into good ground,
and brought forth fruit,
some an hundredfold,
some sixtyfold,
some thirtyfold.

9. "Who hath ears to hear,
let him hear."

10. And the Disciples came,
and said unto him,

"Why speakest thou unto them in Parables?"

11. He answered and said unto them,

"Because it is given unto you,
to know The Mysteries of The Kingdom of God,
but to them it is not given.
12. "For whosoever hath,
to him it shall be given,
and he shall have more abundance:
but whosoever hath not,
from him shall be taken away
even that he hath.
13. "Therefore speak I to them in Parables:
because they seeing
see not,
and hearing they hear not, neither do they Understand.
14. "And in them is fulfilled
the Prophecy of Esaias,
which saith,


'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR,
AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND;
AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE,
AND NOT PERCEIVE:
15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART IS WAXED GROSS,
AND (THEIR) EARS ARE DULL OF HEARING,
AND THEIR EYES THEY HAVE CLOSED;
LEST AT ANY TIME
THEY SHOULD SEE WITH (THEIR) EYES,
AND HEAR WITH (THEIR) EARS,
AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND WITH (THEIR) HEART,
AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED,
AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'


16. "But Blessed (are) your eyes,
for they see:
and your ears,
for they hear.
17. "For verily I say unto you,


'THAT MANY PROPHETS AND RIGHTEOUS (MEN)
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
(THOSE THINGS) WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN (THEM);
AND TO HEAR (THOSE THINGS) WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD (THEM).'


18. "Hear ye therefore THE PARABLE OF THE SOWER.

[b]19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH (IT) NOT,
THEN COMETH THE WICKED (ONE),
AND CATCHETH AWAY
THAT WHICH WAS SOWN
IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH RECEIVED SEED
BY THE WAY SIDE.

'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT
ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH BUT FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.

22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED SEED
AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THE WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.

23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH (IT);
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY,
SOME THIRTY.' "
[/b]


SO- WE ARE STANDING ON SOME VANTAGE-POINT, LOOKING AT THE EARTH; WHAT DO WE SEE?

We see that there are people who faithfully follow GOD, and reap APPROPRIATE and CONSISTENT BLESSINGS.

We see there are people who treacherously follow SATAN, and reap APPROPRIATE and CONSISTENT CURSES.

What part of this suggests that GOD is NOT The SUPREME BEING, nor INTELLIGENT?


[color=silver].[/color] ISAAC NEWTON'S THREE LAWS OF MOTION.

Objects continue in a State of Rest
or Uniform Motion
in a Straight Line,
unless acted upon
by Unbalanced Forces.

2. The Rate of Change
of Momentum
is Directly Proportional
to the Force Applied.

3. Action and Reaction
are Equal and Opposite.


[color=silver].[/color]. DIANETICS AXIOMS.

THE Source of Life
is a static
of peculiar and particular properties.
[A LIFE STATIC has no size,
no shape, no mass, no temperature,
no frequency, nor any other physical property.]

2. At least a portion of the static called life
is impinged upon the Physical Universe.
3. That portion of the Static of Life
which is impinged upon the Physical Universe
has for its Dynamic Goal Survival and only Survival.
4. The Physical Universe is reducible to Motion of Energy
operating in Space through Time.
5. That portion of the Static of Life concerned
with the Life Organisms of the Physical Universe
is concerned wholly with Motion. [/b]


See: SCIENTOLOGY 0-8: the Book of Basics, by L. Ron Hubbard.]

[color=silver].[/color] . DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to Record this day
against you,
(that) I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing: THEREFORE CHOOSE LIFE,

THAT BOTH THOU AND THY SEED MAY LIVE:

20. THAT THOU MAYEST LOVE
THE LORD THY GOD,


(AND) THAT THOU MAYEST
OBEY HIS VOICE,


AND THAT THOU MAYEST
CLEAVE UNTO HIM:


for HE IS THY LIFE,
AND THE LENGTH OF THY DAYS:


THAT THOU MAYEST DWELL
IN THE LAND
WHICH THE LORD
SWARE UNTO THY FATHERS,
TO ABRAHAM,
TO ISAAC,
AND TO JACOB,
TO GIVE THEM.


[color=silver].[/color]. 2nd CHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
run to and fro throughout
the whole Earth,
to shew Himself strong
in the behalf of (them)
whose heart (is) perfect
toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars."


[color=silver].[/color] AMOS 3:3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"


YOU WICKEDLY BELIEVED YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET "SOMETHING" FOR "NOTHING."

You wanted a LAPTOP YOU DID NOT PAY FOR, and a PLACE IN UNIVERSITY that RIGHTFULLY belonged to SOMEONE BETTER QUALIFIED THAN YOU.

There were people RIDDLED WITH AGONIZING DISEASES, laboring under YOKES OF POVERTY, unjustly IMPRISONED, persecuted UNFAIRLY, losing their LIVES and their SOULS.

EVERY CHRISTIAN KNOWS ABOUT THIS.

How do you think it LOOKS to GOD, that you CLAIM to follow HIS SON, who LAID DOWN HIS LIFE FOR US, with the MOST AGONIZING DEATH available- but you DON'T "BEG" Him for THOSE HE ALSO DIED FOR- you just want a LAPTOP and UNIVERSITY SLAVERY, so you can enter into OFFICE PRISON SLAVERY?

I have had enough of all your insane Christian lies.
Have you never considered that YOU might be the "INSANE" one?

WHERE did you ever AGREE WITH GOD, that HE should have WALKED WITH YOU?

WHERE was YOUR HEART PERFECT (complete, mature,) before GOD, that HE should have SHOWN HIMSELF STRONG unto YOU?

How date you call THE CREATOR "insane!" Just who do you think you are?
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by ultron12345: 1:25pm On Aug 20, 2017
I think it's either because they are stupid or because they just love looking stupid.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by Nobody: 1:57pm On Aug 20, 2017
oaroloye:
SHALOM!



Thank you for your contribution; however, I am not interested in what you think the "facts" concerning Tithing are- Biblically or Historically.

The only thing important about Tithing is that it is indeed the Key to a BLESSING LITERALLY UNCONTAINABLE ON THE EARTH- which is not being made available to Christians who pay their Tithes faithfully, if blindly.
Pointless













Wow. What can I say,...


GREED drives most people's mind

Don't be deluded by magnifying assumption without basis and except to gup it down

For the learned, a bit of study and someone's baseless personal opinion


https://www.nairaland.com/3992671/tithing-truth-history-origin-catholic

https://www.nairaland.com/3992834/malachis-prophecy
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by YahwehPenis: 2:08pm On Aug 20, 2017
No, we are not stupid for tight paying. Jehovah command we bring meat 4 him to eat. If we don't bring it he will go hungry and die.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by orisa37: 2:54pm On Aug 20, 2017
No.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by oaroloye(op): 3:14pm On Aug 20, 2017
TITHING is a Religious Practice whose Original Reason has been forgotten.

It opens a Spiritual Channel, and keeps it open.

THE CELESTINE PROPHECY Teaching tells us that a SERVANT PERFORMING A TASK will take on the VIBRATIONAL SIGNATURE of their MASTER who SET them that Task.

A Tither for LOVE OF GOD will RESONATE God's VIBRATIONAL Signature.

This has significance in Spiritual Authority.

SCIENTOLOGY proves that the average person uses as little as 10% of their Total Consciousness.

Whereas, NAGUALISM says that even a person of TOTALLY WHOLE INTELLECT- PERFECT MEMORY- is still using only 10% of their TOTAL BEING.

THESE STATISTICS ARE KNOWN TO GOD.

TITHING would be the perfect reminder of this.

Just as the KOSHER/TREIF LAW of LEVITICUS 11 preserves God's Instructions on THE PROPER USE OF THE MIND.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by ifenes(m): 3:16pm On Aug 20, 2017
Yes!
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by CAPSLOCKED: 3:31pm On Aug 20, 2017
BlueAngel444:
You guys should argue with facts
Biblically and historically

WHAT ABOUT LOGICALLY AND SENSIBLY? undecided
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by Nobody: 7:38pm On Aug 20, 2017
CAPSLOCKED:

WHAT ABOUT LOGICALLY AND SENSIBLY? undecided
if your logic and sense was all there is to the world, how do you think the world would be ! undecided
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by YahwehPenis: 7:41pm On Aug 20, 2017
ifenes:
Yes!
I beg to differ. Without paying tithe, God will starve to death. Read your bible Malachi 3:10
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by Nobody: 7:41pm On Aug 20, 2017
How can some1 compare logic and sensibility with the Truth.

You think Eve wasn't sensible and logical to be deceived

A fool is wise by his own reasoning
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by oaroloye(op): 12:01pm On Aug 21, 2017
SHALOM!

DeSepiero:
oaroloye, could you briefly say why tithe is collected in the contemporary church?
The short answer to that is: "JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE TOLD THEM THEY SHOULD!"

MY POINT is that TITHING has NEVER been done for the CORRECT Reasons.

A better question- the one I believe that you are really asking, and which I suppose I have not answered is: "WHY DID THEY COMPLY?"

My cynical answer to which is: "JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE STUPID!"

The way people pay Tithes is like a person going to a Showroom of goodly limousines- choosing one, because it has a NICE RADIO inside-one that really "picks," has excellent fidelity, good volume, etc. etc.

The car is great, too.

But this... character, pays CASH-DOWN for the CAR, signs all the forms, and all.

Goes to HIS CAR WHICH HE JUST BOUGHT, and RIPS OUT THE RADIO- and goes home with it, ON FOOT- leaving the CAR in the Showroom.

He may have PAID for the luxurious CAR, but he is SATISFIED to take ONLY THE RADIO- which is important, and useful, but less than 0.1% the VALUE of the WHOLE CAR.

THAT is what TITHING- as it is done today- looks like to ME.

99.9% of the BLESSING is WASTED!

What can we call that, but STUPIDITY?

Most Christians will go on paying their Tithes BLINDLY like that, their whole lives- and DIE STUPIDLY.

However, many do actually wake up to realize that they need a BETTER reason for paying Tithes than "SOMEONE TOLD THEM TO."

There have been people who have woken up to the realization that they are making their PASTOR rich- whereas it was NEVER THEIR INTENTION to make him rich. They are OFFENDED that he is rich off of THEIR TITHES.

That is the daftest thing I ever heard.

Now if the Pastor was (incontrovertibly) Healing the Sick, Casting Out Devils, Raising the Dead and Cleaning Lepers, anybody complaining should e immediately awarded the Left Foot of Fellowship. WHY would you want someone like THAT in your church?

If the Pastor was Saving Souls and Solving Problems- even without Miracles-I think he earns whatever he is given- don't you?

But I vehemently object to the sort of Pastor that really has nothing useful to say- is just "marking time," until he has talked everyone to death- has everybody backed behind him in a CONVOY traveling at the Speed of Stupid. Stagnant.

I want to know: WHY ARE YOU PAYING THAT MAN?

My co-worker of 35 years, STELLA, had a Sister named VERONICA- who was a "CASUAL WORKER" on Campus of many years' standing.

She was a GARDENER- probably came in contact with WEEDKILLERS and PESTICIDES, or whatever it is they gave them to use..

She succumbed to a High Blood Pressure issue a few years ago.

I knew that they attended a popular "Full Gospel" Church, so I asked my co-worker why they were going following a Pastor who had NO HEALING POWER. She refused to discuss the matter. She had a Polio Crippled Son-in-Law, going to the same church (WINNER'S CHAPEL,) too, and I had let them know my opinion on THAT, too.

With the Pastor's Prayers, plus SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST HOSPITAL Medical Expertise, Veronica pulled through.

However, several months later, she suffered a relapse.

This time, she needed Kidney Dialysis- but STELLA, now retired, could only afford two N60,000 sessions.

The sister, Veronica subsequently died.

Yet the family STILL go to THAT "Church!"

They STILL pay their TITHES and give their OFFERINGS (I suppose); WHAT FOR?

WHY PAY FOR SERVICES THAT ARE NOT RENDERED?

THAT is my POINT.

[color=silver].[/color] LUKE 19:1-27.

AND Jesus entered
and passed through Jericho.
2. And, behold,
there was a man named Zacchaeus,
which was the chief among the publicans,
and he was rich.
3. And he sought to see Jesus who he was;
and could not for the press,
because he was little of stature.
4. And he ran before,
and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him:
for he was to pass that way.
5. And when Jesus came to the place,
he looked up,
and saw him,
and said unto him,

"Zacchaeus, make haste,
and come down;
for to day I must abide at thy house."

6. And he made haste, and came down,
and received him joyfully.
7. And when they saw it,
they all murmured,
saying,


"THAT HE WAS GONE TO BE GUEST
WITH A MAN THAT IS A SINNER."


8. And Zacchaeus stood,
and said unto the Lord:

"Behold, Lord, the half of my goods
I give to the Poor;
and if I have taken any thing
from any man
by false accusation,
I restore him fourfold."

9. And Jesus said unto him,

"This day is Salvation come to this House,
forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
10. “For the Son of Man
is come to seek and to save
that which was lost.”

11. And as they heard these things,
he added and spake a Parable,
because he was nigh to Jerusalem,
and because they thought
that The Kingdom of God
should immediately appear.
12. He said therefore,

"A certain nobleman went into a far country
to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13. And he called his ten servants,
and delivered them ten pounds,
and said unto them,


'OCCUPY TILL I COME.'

14. "But his citizens hated him,
and sent a message after him,
saying,


'WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS MAN
TO REIGN OVER US.'


15. "And it came to pass,
that when he was returned,
having received the kingdom,
then he commanded these servants
to be called unto him,
to whom he had given the money,
that he might know how much
every man had gained by trading.
16. "Then came the first,
saying,


'LORD, THY POUND HATH GAINED TEN POUNDS.'

17. "And he said unto him,

'WELL, THOU GOOD SERVANT:
BECAUSE THOU HAST BEEN
FAITHFUL IN A VERY LITTLE,
HAVE THOU AUTHORITY
OVER TEN CITIES.'


18. "And the second came,
saying,


'LORD, THY POUND HATH GAINED FIVE POUNDS.'

19. "And he said likewise to him,
'BE THOU ALSO OVER FIVE CITIES.'

20. "And another came,
saying,


'LORD, BEHOLD, HERE IS THY POUND,
WHICH I HAVE KEPT LAID UP IN A NAPKIN:
21. 'FOR I FEARED THEE,
BECAUSE THOU ART AN AUSTERE MAN:
THOU TAKEST UP
THAT THOU LAYEDST NOT DOWN,
AND REAPEST THAT
THOU DIDST NOT SOW.'


22. "And he saith unto him,

'OUT OF THINE OWN MOUTH
WILL I JUDGE THEE,
THOU WICKED SERVANT.
THOU KNEWEST THAT
I WAS AN AUSTERE MAN,
TAKING UP THAT I LAID NOT DOWN,
AND REAPING THAT I DID NOT SOW:
23. 'WHEREFORE THEN GAVEST NOT THOU
MY MONEY INTO THE BANK,
THAT AT MY COMING
I MIGHT HAVE
REQUIRED MINE OWN
WITH USURY?'


24. "And he said unto them that stood by,

'TAKE FROM HIM THE POUND,
AND GIVE IT TO HIM
THAT HATH TEN POUNDS.'


25. "[And they said unto him,

'LORD, HE HATH TEN POUNDS.]'
26. 'FOR I SAY UNTO YOU,

"THAT UNTO EVERY ONE WHICH HATH
SHALL BE GIVEN;
AND FROM HIM THAT HATH NOT,
EVEN THAT HE HATH
SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM."

27. 'BUT THOSE MINE ENEMIES,
WHICH WOULD NOT
THAT I SHOULD REIGN OVER THEM,
BRING HITHER,
AND SLAY THEM BEFORE ME.' "


We OWE our Fellow Man WHATEVER THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD tell us to DO for them.

When we OBEY God, we AGREE with Him, and HE walks with us- feeding us with LIFE.

[color=silver].[/color] AMOS 3:3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"


THIS IS OUR CONTINUOUS GOAL- WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY, WITHOUT PAUSE.

As such, our immediate task is to CREATE or JOIN a MINYAN: a Group of a minimum number of TEN RIGHTEOUS MEN, working together.

TEN RIGHTEOUS MEN will donate 10% of their Income to a HOLY MAN- who therefore does not have to "WORK FOR A LIVING," other than to devote his FULL TIME into ATTAINING and MAINTAINING the state of HOLINESS.

ONLY RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE KNOW THE VALUE OF HOLINESS, NOT BEING HOLY THEMSELVES.

They are NOT weighed down by ENVY, JEALOUSY, nor COVETOUSNESS against the HOLY MAN they are supporting.

The REASON why SERVANTS OF GOD should be paying their Tithes OUGHT to be to create or maintain a HOLY MAN.

ANYONE can ATTAIN HOLINESS, if they put their FULL BEING into the Task.

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy Might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command thee this Day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them diligently
unto thy Children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou sittest in thine house,
and when thou walkest by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.


THAT HAS NEVER BEEN THE GOAL OF ANY CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

Which does not make rational sense.

But THAT is the Reality-on-Ground.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by ScienceWatch: 2:49pm On Aug 21, 2017
oaroloye:
SHALOM!



The way people pay Tithes is like a person going to a Showroom of goodly limousines- choosing one, because it has a NICE RADIO inside-one that really "picks," has excellent fidelity, good volume, etc. etc. Most Christians will go on paying their Tithes BLINDLY like that, their whole lives- and DIE STUPIDLY. There have been people who have woken up to the realization that they are making their PASTOR rich- whereas it was NEVER THEIR INTENTION to make him rich. They are OFFENDED that he is rich off of THEIR TITHES.

Now if the Pastor was (incontrovertibly) Healing the Sick, Casting Out Devils, Raising the Dead and Cleaning Lepers, anybody complaining should be immediately awarded the Left Foot of Fellowship. WHY would you want someone like THAT in your church?

If the Pastor was Saving Souls and Solving impossible Problems- even without Miracles-I think he earns whatever he is given- don't you? But I vehemently object to the sort of Pastor that really has nothing useful to say- is just "marking time,".............. I want to know: WHY ARE YOU PAYING THAT MAN? They STILL pay their TITHES and give their OFFERINGS (I suppose); WHAT FOR? WHY PAY FOR SERVICES THAT ARE NOT RENDERED?

As such, our immediate task is to CREATE or JOIN a MINYAN: a Group of a minimum number of TEN RIGHTEOUS MEN, working together.

TEN RIGHTEOUS MEN will donate 10% of their Income to a HOLY MAN- who therefore does not have to "WORK FOR A LIVING," other than to devote his FULL TIME into ATTAINING and MAINTAINING the state of HOLINESS.

The REASON why SERVANTS OF GOD should be paying their Tithes OUGHT to be to create or maintain a HOLY MAN.
THE MIGHTY JESUS SAID, "FREELY IT WAS GIVEN TO YOU, FREELY YOU MUST GIVE."

Jesus' taught us with great wisdom, which is simplicity at its best, unlike fake pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye (aka Prince Aroloye of Idanre) who places heavy burdens of confusion on his readers to trap them and make them a hundred times worse than himself.

Only a low life conman will take this simple and direct command of the mighty Jesus and come up with something to suit his greedy plans.
Jesus Christ commanded His and all future spiritual leaders, "FREELY I GIVE IT TO YOU, FREELY YOU WILL GIVE IT TO THEM."

Fake pastor bronchitis wants to con you, that is why he is preaching about a forming a stupid Minyan dont pay your 10% to him so that he can loaf at home pretending to be holy while you go and work hard for a living. There are many examples of people that became holy while working hard full time. GOD PROVIDES FOR HIS GENUINE FAITHFUL DISCIPLES. It is a miraculous provision that need no tithing scams.

Pastor Bronchitis is like a stupid man that wants a free Limosine WITH FANCY SOUND SYSTEM AND ALL !!
He must stay with his Old testament, criminal/sex-orgy powered Scientology and fraudulent screw every female Nagualism,
Leave the mighty New Testament and Acts alone. You are harming yourself because Lucifer will make you pay if you should try to believe that Jesus is Lord, while he is your lord. !!

Readers here should study Emmanuel TV for a few days and see if the peoples problems can be solved with preaching words, more words and more words only. You will very quickly realize that what fake pastor Bronchitis said is a pipe dream. He must be using hallucinogenic drugs and Nagualism to believe that as he says, " If the Pastor was Saving Souls and Solving impossible Problems- even without Miracles." that pastor must be paid.
LOL ! I am having my third failed operation that cost me 300,00Niara each kind of laughter, Haaa wooooo hic hic ha !!
I have been to my many pastors that are the best talkers, they can take the gospel and turn it into a billion words, but nothing happened. Lol ! woooo roll on the ground type of laughter. haaa aaaah hic !!

Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by ScienceWatch: 3:28pm On Aug 21, 2017
oaroloye:
SHALOM!



The short answer to that is: "JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE TOLD THEM THEY SHOULD!" MY POINT is that TITHING has NEVER been done for the CORRECT Reasons.

A better question- the one I believe that you are really asking, and which I suppose I have not answered is: "WHY DID THEY COMPLY?"
My cynical answer to which is: "JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE STUPID!"

Now if the Pastor was (incontrovertibly) Healing the Sick, Casting Out Devils, Raising the Dead and Cleaning Lepers, anybody complaining should be immediately awarded the Left Foot of Fellowship. WHY would you want someone like THAT in your church?

If the Pastor was Saving Souls and Solving Problems- even without Miracles-I think he earns whatever he is given- don't you?

But I vehemently object to the sort of Pastor that really has nothing useful to say- is just "marking time," until he has talked everyone to death- has everybody backed behind him in a CONVOY traveling at the Speed of Stupid. Stagnant.

I want to know: WHY ARE YOU PAYING THAT MAN?
You are cynical indeed fake pastor Bronchitis. No Pastor can solve the peoples problems without the miraculous power of the HOLY SPIRIT.

The evidence is clear in the Holy Gospels and Acts, that the peoples problems were all solved only by the mighty power of the HOLY SPIRIT which is what Jesus and his disciples and all future disciples used. If a disciple/pastor/minister (whatever name you chose) can not do healing, deliverance and blessings they are not operating in the spirit, thats why nothing happens except talking, preaching and more preaching, yet nothing happens. YET NOTHING HAPPENS !!

With fake pastors like Bronchitis Oaroloye, something always happens, that something is ...... NOTHING !
They polish their empty words to get people to pay for it. They trade in words for wealth. As a result of this criminality innocent people suffer at their cruel hands.
Jesus commanded his disciples, IF YOU BE BELIEVE IN ME, THE MIRACLES I DO, YOU WILL ALSO DO." All this is meant to show the world the practical love of Gods for a suffering Humanity.

There is not one suffering person will say NO to the healing power, that only Jesus can give through his genuine servants ?
GOD ALWAYS US PEOPLE to do his work. Just as Lucifer always use people to do his work. Those that have some understanding of spiritual things will nod the head in agreement here.

Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by ScienceWatch: 4:07pm On Aug 21, 2017
oaroloye:
SHALOM!

THIS SCRIPTURE IS USED AS THE BASIS OF CHRISTIAN TITHING:

No one seems to CARE, that NO ONE in the History of Full Gospel, has EVER obtained THAT Blessing!

CHRISTIANS GENERALLY HAVE BUT A VAGUE IDEA OF WHAT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS.

When someone like ME teaches SERIOUS THINGS, even TITHERS respond with COWARDICE, HATRED, ANGER, and ENVY, and REJECT The Teachings- standing MUTE while DOGS and PIGS trample on The Message- which IS The SACRED WORD OF GOD- and upon the Messenger. What can be more retarded than THAT?
It is time for you to calm down fake pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye, and forgive me for deleting your exhausting sermons. As the wise Afrikaners used to say, "Jy praat my kop vrot, sis."

Forgive my truthful observation of your useless sermons. You are like the rotten Pharisees that Jesus scolded for placing heavy burdens on the people that try hard to get closer to God. You block their path with mountains of scriptures and prop it up with Satanic doctrines while hoping to amaze your followers with your brilliance which only lead them away from their healing, demonic deliverance and wonderful blessings and breakthroughs.

You follow the corrupt path of thousands of preachers who used polished words without the HOLY SPIRIT power to manifest and do for the listener what is needed. They end up as un-believers because they cant believe that Jesus and his disciple "healed them all." as written in the Gospels, but they never see it happen in their churches.

Thousands of pastors claim to fame is TALKING, MORE TALKING AND MORE TALKING !! All this without the authentic power of
the HOLY SPIRIT to heal, bless and deliver. As a result they become servants of Lucifer. Lucifer makes them good talkers
and brilliant COPY & PASTERS to dazzle the minds of the masses.

The mighty Jesus and His genuine disciples claim to fame was not talking but powerful action to produce results that scientists can only observe with their mouth wide open.

Jesus himself referred to everyone else that are not true disciples as sheep that must be showered with the love of God as witnessed in the SCOAN church Nigeria. It is that simple !!
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by ScienceWatch: 8:31pm On Aug 21, 2017
oaroloye:
SHALOM!



I want to know what your Religious/Spiritual Background was, that you thought this would work.

"BEGGING" God does not work; you must be sure of your Rights for Prayer to work. I fell for this Teaching when I was in the Pentecostal "FAITH MOVEMENT."

JERRY SAVELLE MADE THE ASTONISHING STATEMENT, THAT GOD HAD TOLD HIM- THAT GOD HAD TOLD HIM- THAT GOD HAD TOLD HIM- THAT ANYONE WHO DONATED TO HIS MINISTRY WOULD RECEIVE A ONE HUNDREDFOLD RETURN, THAT YEAR-REGARDLESS OF HOW CLOSE TO THE END OF THE YEAR THEY DONATED.

That was maybe OCTOBER 1983, or so. I totally believed it. "How could JERRY SAVELLE, friend of KENNETH COPLAND and KENNETH E. HAGIN be telling a LIE?" I thought to myself. I would have TOTALLY sent him money, and expected my Hundredfold-Return, had I had the means to do so at that time. As I thought about it, IT SUDDENLY OCCURED TO ME:
Yawn ! Yawn. The exhausting sermons or epistles of fake pastor Bronchitis leading to left brain vs right brain conficts.

He could learn something of vital importance from the esteemed Niaralander Donnie, He wrote, " 2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

Pastor Bronchitis, from that scriptures you can see why your letters killeth.
It is clear that you have forgotten that THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE !

You are using the demonic spirits of Satanic Nagualism and Sex-orgy spirits of Scientology to mix with the Holy Spirit of God and the pure spirit of Jesus Christ to BAG unwary Christians and others for Lucifer.
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by ScienceWatch:
oaroloye:
SHALOM!



I want to know what your Religious/Spiritual Background was, that you thought this would work. "BEGGING" God does not work; you must be sure of your Rights for Prayer to work.

AT THE TIME ,I WAS DEPENDENT ON DVINE HEALING TO STAY HEALTHY, SO FAITH WAS NEVER MY PROBLEM- JUST KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT TO BELIEVE WAS MY PROBLEM. This is a stupid conclusion to arrive at. You KNOW you did not fulfil all the conditions required to grant your prayers!
HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SOULFULLY SING: "I SURRENDER ALL! I SURRENDER ALL!" IN THAT YOUR CHURCH?

You are complaining, because it BIT YOUR MOJO OFF? What did you THINK it was going to DO- give you a Mouth Gig?
YOU PRAYED FOR GOD TO GIVE YOU A LAPTOP (because He keeps Laptops in Heaven, don't'chaknow!) DID YOU PRAY FIR HIM TO GIVE ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS LAPTOPS? Did you pray for Him to give Laptops to OTHER PEOPLE YOU KNEW NEEDED LAPTOPS? Did you Pray for Him to give Laptops to STRANGERS? Did you Pray for God to give Laptops to YOUR ENEMIES?

I was at a loss to explain why MY Faith should work, while OTHER CHRISTIANS with access to THE SAME "FAITH MAFIA" as me GOT ZERO (even NEGATIVE,) results. If you believed that God can give you a LAPTOP, why couldn't you pray for Him to GIVE YOU THE KNOWLEDGE to CREATE a Laptop? Why didn't you Pray for a LAPTOP FACTORY? You only went to Churches that taught you to use COVETOUSNESS to ENSLAVE and IMPRISON yourself.
Instead of beating the poster over the head pastor Bronchitis, you could have at least explained what you meant when you said, "you must be sure of your Rights for Prayer to work."

Your Muslim friend that you cowardly criticize says that you are a liar Pastor Bronchitis when you claim divine healing. He says you are at the doctors often because of very poor health and diabetics/highblood etc. I told him that he must be wrong because you have the POWER to change your age at will to any age of your choice and also to "Shape-Shift" into any animal and even change into a beautiful young woman instantly. I told him how you use the powers of "Physical Translation" to travel to any country of your choice instantly at will. He simply laughed.

Lesson : Choose your friends carefully. The fraudster Carlos Castaneda's friend and a prof. Richard De Mille also exposed him as a liar. This liar is the founder of fictional fantasy Nagualism.
Pastor Bronchitis' other evil spiritual master L. Ron Hubbard was not exposed by a friend but by a court of law and his own son and wife.
After a seven-year public inquiry and a lengthy trial in the high court, the Paris Tribunal found four top Scientologists, including the Satanic founder L.Ron Hubbard and his loving wife, guilty of making fraudulent claims that physical cures and professional success could be achieved through Scientology.
L. Ron Hubbard, who escaped, did not attend the trial, and had already cowardly fled the country, was sentenced to four years imprisonment. The judge concluded that the facts and statements by the witnesses were “ample proof” of the veracity of the charge. Quoting Hubbard's own words, the judge found that Scientology made false promises to its members with the sole aim of “increasing the financial revenue.”
L.Ron Hubbard cowardly escaped and left his loving wife to go to prison alone


Pastor Bronchitis, Your friend laughed and said that if he had your power he would not use public transport
Re: Do Christians Pay Tithes Because They Are Stupid? by manikal: 7:16am On Aug 25, 2017
Tithing is the physical aspect of a spiritual law

Whatsoever a man sows , that he will reap.
Tithing is the giving of 10% of your talents to the kingdom of God.

'BUT , the kingdom of God is WITHIN EVERY MAN.

Therefore, tithing in the real sense is the giving of 10% to a TEMPLE OF GOD aka MAN.
But there are rules to giving if you really want to reap;

LET YOUR LEFT HAND NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR RIGHT HAND IS DOING.

There are a multitude of men[temples of God] waiting for you. Give this tithe to them in secret , if possible let them not know who gave them.
That way they would be forced to thank God , not you and then God since the glory went to him ALONE , would do the necessary in the life of the tither
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