felixomor:


By now you should know how he argues.

He argues by repeating the same sentence over and over again. Even when u have addressed what he is saying
And then before you know, he starts repeating the exact same words you are using.

By the way, I thought they were after "scientific evidence" ?
Now it is mathematics. SMH

he is not keeping pace at all.

butterflylion:


Actual critical thinking is not meant to make sense to a non critical thinker so I understand your struggle.

You are to provide evidence for your claims not waste my time. If you have none just say it and move along.

If i burst your head with a gun, is there any evidence consciousness is still functioning?

butterflylion:


You cannot force anything out of me. You believe in science and science is already showing that consciousness exists outside the brain as I have shown you.

You need to pause and stop being shallow and actually think. If nothing should jump start your thinking process then my post about 11 dimensional structures being found in a 3 dimensional brain when a 3 dimensional stimuli cannot generate an 11 dimensional response from the brain should have forced you to actually do some thinking as a supposed critical thinking atheist but instead of engaging your thought process you would rather sweep such a huge significant find aside simply because you wish to keep arguing.

What generates consciousness? Tell me what it is and stop dancing around your long tail.

felixomor:


By now you should know how he argues.

He argues by repeating the same sentence over and over again. Even when u have addressed what he is saying
And then before you know, he starts repeating the exact same words you are using.

By the way, I thought they were after "scientific evidence" ?
Now it is mathematics. SMH

Show me where he has addressed what I've asked him.

What is the thing that generates consciousness is what he is to tell me. Show me where he addressed it. You can help him as well.

dalaman:


You are to provide evidence for your claims not waste my time. If you have none just say it and move along.

young man it's clear scientifically engaging you on any discussion is futile because you lack the ability to reason scientifically.

I do not need to categorically state or show you evidence when I have repeatedly stated that the brain being a 3 dimensional machine and this 3 dimensional state was brought about by our external stimuli yet this same brain now has 11 dimensional structures found in it which were definitely not brought about by our known 3 dimensional stimulation then something beyond what is attainable in our world is causing the brain to make these reactions.

What it is, is not for me to say but it's clear that those reactions are there and not being influenced by our known 3 dimensional world.

I also in reference to this tried to simplify it by using the radio and radio station example. A radio receives signals and interpretes such signals to sound but does not originate those signals. Which is like the mind and brain.

The source of the radio signal is high powered but the radio itself isn't.

Critical thinking does not always seek evidence but can draw evidence from its own critical analysis of information available and presented to it.

I repeat, " if we are restricted to a 3 dimensional world and the brain only reacts to what externally stimulates it which is in our known 3 dimensional world, yet has 11 dimensional structures which are obvious reactions which are not found in our 3 dimensional world, what then is causing these 11 dimensional reactions since we have strictly 3D in our world.

Does our world have 11 dimensional stimuli dalaman?

butterflylion:


How are 3 dimensional objects calculated? How are visual aids which assist in viewing 3D calculated and made us aware that 3D actually exists? MATHEMATICS!

now they found 11D structures in the brain and how were they able to calculate it to be 11D? MATHEMATICS!

I never said mathematics brought the tangibility of what generates consciousness so I do not know where you read that from. What I said was simply that our world offers a strict 3 dimensional external stimuli and our brain is meant to restrict itself to what stimulates it but clearly the brain isn't doing that because it has 11 dimensional structures in it and this goes against how things should be since we only offer 3D in our world. So where is the 11D emanating from?

It's like the brain upgrades itself to receive 11D information and then downgrades to give out 3D feedback. One end is 3D (our end) the other end is 11D.

Without mathematics calculating this 11D existence how would we have known that such a thing existed?

Now we know that this exists, how come is the brain having it when there is nothing on our planet capable of causing such stimulation which would cause such a reaction from the brain?

You really need critical thinking in order to follow my train of thought dalaman.

I did NOT ask you to run commentary on the function of the brain as to how it receives 11D information and downgrade it to 3D or ask me questions about things you do not know about . That is not what I asked you to do. I simply asked you to tell me what generates consciousness as a response to you claim, that is what you are to do and not give me commentary on brain function.

dalaman:


I did NOT ask you to run commentary on the function of the brain as to how it receives 11D information and downgrade it to 3D or ask me questions about things you do not know about . That is not what I asked you to do. I simply asked you to tell me what generates consciousness as a response to you claim, that is what you are to do and not give me commentary on brain function.

we are done here! Every scientific assertion I have posted and you have read clearly are alien to you hence your repeated questions.

Have a good day.

butterflylion:


we are done here! Every scientific assertion I have posted and you have read clearly are alien to you hence your repeated questions.

Have a good day.

You have not provide any evidence dalaman asked. I have been following you guys arguments.

butterflylion:


young man it's clear scientifically engaging you on any discussion is futile because you lack the ability to reason scientifically.

I do not need to categorically state or show you evidence when I have repeatedly stated that the brain being a 3 dimensional machine and this 3 dimensional state was brought about by our external stimuli yet this same brain now has 11 dimensional structures found in it which were definitely not brought about by our known 3 dimensional stimulation then something beyond what is attainable in our world is causing the brain to make these reactions.

What it is, is not for me to say but it's clear that those reactions are there and not being influenced by our known 3 dimensional world.

I also in reference to this tried to simplify it by using the radio and radio station example. A radio receives signals and interpretes such signals to sound but does not originate those signals. Which is like the mind and brain.

The source of the radio signal is high powered but the radio itself isn't.

Critical thinking does not always seek evidence but can draw evidence from its own critical analysis of information available and presented to it.

I repeat, " if we are restricted to a 3 dimensional world and the brain only reacts to what externally stimulates it which is in our known 3 dimensional world, yet has 11 dimensional structures which are obvious reactions which are not found in our 3 dimensional world, what then is causing these 11 dimensional reactions since we have strictly 3D in our world.

Does our world have 11 dimensional stimuli dalaman?

So you do not know what generates consciousness. Say that and move along instead of wasting my time with comentaries you do not have answers for. If I am to ask further questions you will still continue with your merry go round of endless speculations. I don't need that. I just wanted you to provide evidence for your claims, since you can't then move along. If I want to read or engage in scientific discussions I know where to go.

butterflylion:


we are done here! Every scientific assertion I have posted and you have read clearly are alien to you hence your repeated questions.

Have a good day.

And the scientific assertions that shows the thing that generates consciousness is what? Run along.

tintingz:
You have not provide any evidence dalaman asked. I have been following you guys arguments.

Abeg leave the loud mouth blow hard. He made a claim, I asked him to provide evidence and he want off jumping all over the place and ended up providing nothing.

tintingz:
You have not provide any evidence dalaman asked. I have been following you guys arguments.

You are just like him. So we are done here.

Critical assessment and analysis of available information eludes the both of you so I would rather cease discussing with either of you.

If you only taught your child how to say "thank you" and be polite to everyone in your home and your child has been known to exhibit these very polite ways but suddenly one day he comes home and starts saying vulgarity and acting rebellious would you say he got it from your home or from an external source which he or she clearly understood enough and was influential enough over him or her to begin acting out these characters.

If what the brain is supposed to be is suddenly not what it is then something else is changing it. If. If what it is moulded by is what stimulates it and in this case, our 3D world why then is it raising 11D structures in obvious response to external stimuli as well. So where is this 11 D stimuli coming from when it definitely isn't from our 3D limited world.

If these implications do not cause you to actually think and only make you ask for evidence then we are done.

dalaman:


Show me where he has addressed what I've asked him.

What is the thing that generates consciousness is what he is to tell me. Show me where he addressed it. You can help him as well.

Did he claim to know what "generates consciousness"?

What he showed is how awareness and consciousness are scientifically proven even without sense of sight and brain activity.?
And I also showed it.

Is that hard to understand?

felixomor:


Did he claim to know what "generates consciousness"?

What he showed is how awareness and consciousness are scientifically proven even without sense of sight and brain activity.?
And I also showed it.

Is that hard to understand?

They want to force me to say what I never said. I simply analysed latest available scientific data based on algebraic topology in the blue brain project and he is still asking for evidence from abstract mathematics.

butterflylion:


They want to force me to say what I never said. I simply analysed latest available scientific data based on algebraic topology in the blue brain project and he still asking for evidence from abstract mathematics.

I already know his ways.
Very soon from that mathematics, they will look for another straw to hang on.
Straw to straw. The journey continues

butterflylion:


They want to force me to say what I never said. I simply analysed latest available scientific data based on algebraic topology in the blue brain project and he is still asking for evidence from abstract mathematics.

You are talking about abstracts and you want me to do what with it? Give me a clear example of an 11D information that can be processed by the brain.

felixomor:


I already know his ways.
Very soon from that mathematics, they will look for another straw to hang on.
Straw to straw. The journey continues

Anyone who knows what topology is or even algebraic topology and where it is applied would never argue ignorantly.

felixomor:


I already know his ways.
Very soon from that mathematics, they will look for another straw to hang on.
Straw to straw. The journey continues

Baba give us an example of an 11D information that the brain processes. A clear example is what you are to give.

dalaman:


You are talking about abstracts and you want me to do what with it? Give me a clear example of an 11D information that can be processed by the brain.

This shows you have no clue what we are talking about.

Our world only holds 3D information so where can our 3D world produce 11D stimuli from when none is found here yet the brain is being stimulated by 11D information obviously from outside the limits of our 3D world especially since it has developed 3D structures in her neurons to cope with these 11D stimuli.

We do not need to physically see the evidence but we can see the effects of the evidence (for now). For there to be an effect (the 11D structures in the brain) then there must be a cause.

Knowing the cause is another thing but the effect is clear and definitely the cause is not from the limitations of our 3 dimensional world.

Where and how then do you want me to produce an 11D information from when it is not found in our limited 3D world?

Do you see why I said you show absolutely no understanding regarding this discussion.

dalaman:


Baba give us an example of an 11D information that the brain processes. A clear example is what you are to give.

Ok I see,
So you no longer want what "generates consciousness"?

felixomor:

Ok I see,
So you no longer want what "generates consciousness"?

He clearly said he can't provide that. Can you help him?

butterflylion:
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This shows you have no clue what we are talking about.

Our world only holds 3D information so where can our 3D world produce 11D stimuli from when none is found here yet the brain is being stimulated by 11D information obviously from outside the limits of our 3D world especially since it has developed 3D structures in her neurons to cope with these 11D stimuli.

We do not need to physically see the evidence but we can see the effects of the evidence (for now). For there to be an effect (the 11D structures in the brain) then there must be a cause.

Knowing the cause is another thing but the effect is clear and definitely the cause is not from the limitations of our 3 dimensional world.

Where and how then do you want me to produce an 11D information from when it is not found in our limited 3D world?

Do you see why I said you show absolutely no understanding regarding this discussion.

What is this 11D information you are talking about? What is it? You said earlier that our brain is converting 11D information into 3D. What is this 11D information? Give an example of it.

dalaman:


He clearly said he can't provide that. Can you help him?

Your denseness keeps increasing!

How can you provide what does not exist in our material world due to our sensory perception yet that which aids our sensory perception (the brain) is raising 11 dimensional structures in response to stimuli which our material world does not offer.

So if our material world does not offer 11D then it must be coming from somewhere else. Now what this place is called is a story for another day but we have been able to establish that:

1. Our material world is realistically a 3D limited space.

2. The brain has 11D structures in her neurons which came about by external stimuli.

3. These 11D external stimuli could not have been generated by our material world since it is a 3D limited space.

4. If it was not generated by our world but we can see the effects (the 11D structures) then there MUST be another external source which isn't our own material 3D space.

5. What is this external source called or what manner of information emanates from it that would demand 11D structures being raised by the brain as a response? THIS THEN BECOMES THE BIG QUESTION.

dalaman:


He clearly said he can't provide that. Can you help him?

Just as u clearly refused to tell us why u left what he provided and decided to pursue "what generates consciousness"

butterflylion:


Your denseness keeps increasing!

How can you provide what does not exist in our material world due to our sensory perception yet that which aids our sensory perception (the brain) is raising 11 dimensional structures in response to stimuli which our material world does not offer.

So if our material world does not offer 11D then it must be coming from somewhere else. Now what this place is called is a story for another day but we have been able to establish that:

1. Our material world is realistically a 3D limited space.

2. The brain has 11D structures in her neurons which came about by external stimuli.

3. These 11D external stimuli could not have been generated by our material world since it is a 3D limited space.

4. If it was not generated by our world but we can see the effects (the 11D structures) then there MUST be another external source which isn't our own material 3D space.

5. What is this external source called or what manner of information emanates from it that would demand 11D structures being raised by the brain as a response? THIS THEN BECOMES THE BIG QUESTION.

None of what you are saying here has been established. All these are mere claims based on ABSTRACT postulations. The link you gave clearly said that some scientist are TRYING TO CLAIM that that our knowing and awareness exist in 11D. They have not established it. They are just claiming it. We are talking about abstract claims here and not reality. It's very important to note that. Non of what you are saying is real. Everything you are talking about is abstart claims. The brain havibg 11D structires is just an absttaxt postulation that hasn't even been established. That is why I asked you specifically to give me an example of an 11D stimulus or information that is processed by the brain. What are these 11D structures the study claims the brain is erecting?

felixomor:


Just as u clearly refused to tell us why u left what he provided and decided to pursue "what generates consciousness"

He said that consciousness isn't generated by the brain and my consistent question to him is what generates consciousness. He then went into the filed of abstract mathematics and claims that were made that have not even been established and started running commentary on them. All I asked him was to tell me what generates consciousness.

dalaman:


None of what you are saying here has been established. All these are mere claims based on ABSTRACT postulations. The link you gave clearly said that some scientist are TRYING TO CLAIM that that our knowing and awareness exist in 11D. They have not established it. They are just claiming it. We are talking about abstract claims here and not reality. It's very important to note that. Non of what you are saying is real. Everything you are talking about is abstart claims. That is why I asked you specifically to give me an example of an 11D stimulus or information that is processed by the brain. What are these 11D structures the study claims the brain is erecting?

My God!

Is abstract mathematics a materially existing thing? Yet it is used to establish the existence of things that do exist.

How did we get to establish the existence of 3D and show that our brain is 3D based? MATHEMATICS!

now same algebraic topology has established an existing 11D structure in our brain. But because our world only holds 3D information they cannot (for now) say the source of this 11D responses but can talk about the effect of the source which is not in dispute.

There is no disputing the fact that this 11D stimuli source is not from our own 3D world. There is no arguing this.

What they say is no claim but a fact and this fact is GROUND BREAKING!

Even a lay man can analyse available information such as I have given you enough of but you simply refuse to analyse but keep asking for a name for this source or an 11D information. If you understood anything from all I have been saying then your questions would have been totally unnecessary. Your asking those questions show you have no understanding regarding all I have been talking about and only wish to box me into a corner by trying to force me to say a name or offer an 11D information when clearly if you had given yourself to a little analytical thinking you would realise that such 11D information isn't available. Even if it was available it certainly wouldn't be in this our 3D limited world.

dalaman:


He said that consciousness isn't generated by the brain and my consistent question to him is what generates consciousness.

- and thats why he showed u scientific evidence for consciousness and awareness without brain activity.
You still don't grab ?

dalaman:

He then went into the filed of abstract mathematics and claims that were made that have not even been established and started running commentary on them. All I asked him was to tell me what generates consciousness.

His scientific evidence already shows consciousness beats the scope of brain activity.
Thats all he needs to show.

felixomor:

- and thats why he showed u scientific evidence for consciousness and awareness without brain activity.
You still don't grab ?




His scientific evidence already shows consciousness beats the scope of brain activity.
Thats all he needs to show.

I wonder why this is too hard for him to understand?

All I have offered which is ground breaking scientific information is so anyone can analyse it.

If all we know today isn't limiting the brain to itself and the brain is showing clear signs of stimuli beyond what it is exposed to then what is causing this higher external stimuli which is beyond what our own material world has to offer? It must be something more than this our world.

If it was from our world then we would not be talking about it. The brain evolves based on what it is exposed to.

A cave man would remain a caveman because he is not exposed to anything beyond his level but the moment he is, his brain evolves to cope with the new information stimuli.

That is what is happening here. There is an external 11D stimuli which the brain is responding to and we know it's not from us because 11D is not 3D. You cannot get higher by being exposed to lower.

butterflylion:


My God!

Is abstract mathematics a materially existing thing? Yet it is used to establish the existence of things that do exist.

How did we get to establish the existence of 3D and show that our brain is 3D based? MATHEMATICS!

now same algebraic topology has established an existing 11D structure in our brain. But because our world only holds 3D information they cannot (for now) say the source of this 11D responses but can talk about the effect of the source which is not in dispute.

There is no disputing the fact that this 11D stimuli source is not from our own 3D world. There is no arguing this.

What they say is no claim but a fact and this fact is GROUND BREAKING!

Even a lay man can analyse available information such as I have given you enough of but you simply refuse to analyse but keep asking for a name for this source or an 11D information. If you understood anything from all I have been saying then your questions would have been totally unnecessary. Your asking those questions show you have no understanding regarding all I have been talking about and only wish to box me into a corner by trying to force me to say a name or offer an 11D information when clearly if you had given yourself to a little analytical thinking you would realise that such 11D information isn't available. Even if it was available it certainly wouldn't be in this our 3D limited world.

You are not talking about anything. You are just trying to build a mountain out of an abstract speculation.

3D simply means something that has height, width and depth. 11D is what? What you've failed to say is that this 11D stimuli you are talking about is not a thing at all. Its not that the brain was actually stimulated with a 11D stimuli in REALITY. All these are abstract postulations that aren't real. What they are saying is NO FACT but a ground breaking abstract claim. We are not talking about reality here but abstract postulations.

The 11D structures you are talking about are not real structures but abstracts. We need to get that clear.

butterflylion:


I wonder why this is too hard for him to understand?

All I have offered which is ground breaking scientific information is so anyone can analyse it.

If all we know today isn't limiting the brain to itself and the brain is showing clear signs of stimuli beyond what it is exposed to then what is causing this higher external stimuli which is beyond what our own material world has to offer? It must be something more than this our world.

If it was from our world then we would not be talking about it. The brain evolves based on what it is exposed to.

A cave man would remain a caveman because he is not exposed to anything beyond his level but the moment he is, his brain evolves to cope with the new information stimuli.

That is what is happening here. There is an external 11D stimuli which the brain is responding to and we know it's not from us because 11D is not 3D. You cannot get higher by being exposed to lower.

What is 11D?