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Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by ITbomb(m): 11:51am On Aug 27, 2017
Statsocial:
This template may not work in Nigeria considering our big size and rapidly increasing population. Small countries like Rwanda can use templates of countries with their own size while Nigeria would need to study the templates of emerging big economies like India, Pakistan and Indonesia while copying the models of big countries like China, USA, Brazil and Mexico and not Scandinavian countries as some have suggested.

For instance the template we used for higher education in the 80s is the same template S/Africa uses now but funding as become an issue for S/African varsities as the country does not allow the establishment of private universities. Now with the problematic model S/Africa and Nigeria used the only reason why S/African varsities could rank higher than that of Nigeria was that while Nigeria has about 85 public universities(Not enough if private univ are abolished) S/Africa only has about 24(most likely enough). The Nigerian own was draining cash as the university system expanded and the funding for each university became diluted year in year out.

So if we are serious about ending education tourism, sack the idea of running private universities out of business. However increase funding but DO NOT expand the public university system which would ensure that indigent and brilliant students who want university education can still get access. Allow the rich and middle class of the society to attend private universities and flourish that system. If done successfully the private universities should be encouraged to seek out foreign students from neighbouring African countries to increase their enrollment which would also advance Nigeria's economy.
lalasticlala
Talking about size, Nigeria is not as big as US in size and population BUT the difference is that US allows states to handle stuff like that.
Lets stop talking about Nigeria as a whole, cant that template be implemented in Imo State or Lagos State or Kano State or Akwa Ibom State?

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Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Kay17: 11:54am On Aug 27, 2017
martineverest:
my guy Google Kigali and it's infrastructure

And you sidestepped all i said and kept on insisting on your criterion without explaining why
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Kay17: 11:55am On Aug 27, 2017
highchief3:
Let's not look too far, Anambra state successful made public schools attractive. It the political will that we simply lacking. Let's restructure now!

What's your definition of restructure
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by smartnero24(m): 12:50pm On Aug 27, 2017
frankmoney:
oga stop lying , rotimi amaechi actually tried in building those model schools most of them were upto standard , it's neglect from this present administration that has left it in such a state

You have no idea what you're talking about
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Saintp(m): 12:54pm On Aug 27, 2017
Kudos to Rwanda. To think a landlocked nation is progressing makes it interesting.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by mfm04622: 1:20pm On Aug 27, 2017
Statsocial:

Well, I don't believe any serious person would even recommend the model of Rwanda's secondary schools for Nigeria.
Oyo state alone handles about half of Rwanda's secondary schools(over 600) and has issues funding it to top notch. So my point for private higher education is also valid for secondary education. The Nigerian govt needs to shed away its socialist tendencies in the education sector and instead build an economy that is bouyant and where ppl can afford to fund their education. So my point is this, we can't run the private or public education system exclusive of each other at any level. We need to consciously allow both(public and private) thrive or else we would hv an highly dependent educational sector which would never be adequate.

Is the US,UK or EU socialists? Education up to 12 years in school is free in those countries. Basic education up to 12 years in school should be free while tertiary education shouldn't be free money. My opinion
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Exciton(m): 1:29pm On Aug 27, 2017
I can't believe some people are trying to rationalize why not even a single fvcking state (including Abuja) in Nigeria can't provide quality primary and secondary education while the likes of Rwanda can achieve such feat nationwide. Simple pry/sec school that doesn't require million dollar equipment... just good teachers, a roof, and basic supplies -- I couldn't give a sh!t if they sat on floors, as long as they've got great teachers to develop their minds.

It's a coincidence that I read just this morning that qualified Finnish teachers must have completed a 5 year Masters education programme after their first degree to teach at their primary/secondary schools. The programme has a 10% acceptance rate... that's how much they value quality education.

The question is what will it cost us to put up institutes such as these? Very little compared to the amount they steal or use to build a useless rail line from Kano/Kaduna to some shit-hole village. The honest truth is that no one gives a fvck about providing quality education to the masses. If they did, they'd already be restructuring the entire education system that's piss poor.

It seems all African countries (except the likes of CAR, Zimbabwe, DRC and Eritrea... our mates grin) will become developed long before Nigeria. We are utter failures.

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Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by MasterKim: 1:29pm On Aug 27, 2017
Public schools in osogbo re better than this
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Oshin56(m): 1:39pm On Aug 27, 2017
but reverse is the case for nigeria
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by DeRay98(m): 2:00pm On Aug 27, 2017
onac16:
Will this ever happen here in Nigeria?

The corruption in Nig won't allow it, why? Many of the big the private school owners were ones top civil servants or their spouses who know the weak spots in govt. They exploit and bribe ministry officials who collaborates with them to sabotage govt programmes. Our NASS is for sale and these top/big private school owners have connections to influence any policy from govt that might affect the private to the benefits of the masses in govt schools.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by chyket(m): 2:00pm On Aug 27, 2017
I was worried when President Paul Kagame was going for a third time that even required a constitutional amendment, but with all the positive developments currently going on in Rwanda,I hereby rest my case.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by kjhova(m): 2:04pm On Aug 27, 2017
greatermax77:
All those our bad leaders that is opposing restructuring will turn blind eye to this.
Even Ruwanda that fought war for many year, moving ahead of Nigeria.

Please, please, please my dear friend, please don't spread falsehoods oh.

First off, it is Rwanda. Then especially, that country didn't "fight war for many years" as you suggest.

Yes there was notorious ethnic clashes from the fifties, low level rebellion by Tutsis from camps in Uganda and of course those 100 days in the raining season of 1994 when 900,000 people were lost to ethnic cleansing. These do not equate to your statement above suggesting that Rwanda was war torn for many years. You probably referred to Congo and/or Angola.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by EZEIGBO1OFIMO: 2:17pm On Aug 27, 2017
Exciton:
I can't believe some people are trying to rationalize why not even a single fvcking state (including Abuja) in Nigeria can't provide quality primary and secondary education while the likes of Rwanda can achieve such feat nationwide. Simple pry/sec school that doesn't require million dollar equipment... just good teachers, a roof, and basic supplies -- I couldn't give a sh!t if they sat on floors, as long as they've got great teachers to develop their minds.

It's a coincidence that I read just this morning that qualified Finnish teachers must have completed a 5 year Masters education programme after their first degree to teach at their primary/secondary schools. The programme has a 10% acceptance rate... that's how much they value quality education.

The question is what will it cost us to put up institutes such as these? Very little compared to the amount they steal or use to build a useless rail line from Kano/Kaduna to some shit-hole village. The honest truth is that no one gives a fvck about providing quality education to the masses. If they did, they'd already be restructuring the entire education system that's piss poor.

It seems all African countries (except the likes of CAR, Zimbabwe, DRC and Eritrea... our mates grin) will become developed long before Nigeria. We are utter failures.
haha, you still think this country is not doomed. Even the million naira schools are only teaching fake accents, I hear the teachers are paid terribly and the owners​ are tin gods.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Nobody: 2:19pm On Aug 27, 2017
ITbomb:

Talking about size, Nigeria is not as big as US in size and population BUT the difference is that US allows states to handle stuff like that.
Lets stop talking about Nigeria as a whole, cant that template be implemented in Imo State or Lagos State or Kano State or Akwa Ibom State?
States majorly handle the secondary and primary educational. There are certainly more state secondary schools in every Nigerian state more than the federal ones. But when you have a state like Ekiti whose igr is less than the wage bill of a school like Lautech then you begin to see how problematic making the entire educational sector government based. There are ppl who can still afford private education in Nigeria.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Oduok(m): 2:26pm On Aug 27, 2017
This is a case of Osun State where public schools are more funded than private schools. Kudos to the governor, Ogbeni Rauf Adesoji Aregbesola with the Omoluabi spirit.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by rottennaija(m): 2:30pm On Aug 27, 2017
Statsocial:
This template may not work in Nigeria considering our big size and rapidly increasing population. Small countries like Rwanda can use templates of countries with their own size while Nigeria would need to study the templates of emerging big economies like India, Pakistan and Indonesia while copying the models of big countries like China, USA, Brazil and Mexico and not Scandinavian countries as some have suggested.

For instance the template we used for higher education in the 80s is the same template S/Africa uses now but funding as become an issue for S/African varsities as the country does not allow the establishment of private universities. Now with the problematic model S/Africa and Nigeria used the only reason why S/African varsities could rank higher than that of Nigeria was that while Nigeria has about 85 public universities(Not enough if private univ are abolished) S/Africa only has about 24(most likely enough). The Nigerian own was draining cash as the university system expanded and the funding for each university became diluted year in year out.

So if we are serious about ending education tourism, sack the idea of running private universities out of business. However increase funding but DO NOT expand the public university system which would ensure that indigent and brilliant students who want university education can still get access. Allow the rich and middle class of the society to attend private universities and flourish that system. If done successfully the private universities should be encouraged to seek out foreign students from neighbouring African countries to increase their enrollment which would also advance Nigeria's economy.
lalasticlala

Wrong, improve the quality of primary and secondary schools in Nigeria and see private schools suffer decline and reduction of fee
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Exciton(m): 2:55pm On Aug 27, 2017
EZEIGBO1OFIMO:
haha, you still think this country is not doomed. Even the million naira schools are only teaching fake accents, I hear the teachers are paid terribly and the owners​ are tin gods.

Hehehe. But compared to Eritrea, who no longer have a single fvcking university (according to Aljazeera), there's still hope. grin

The scary thing is that many don't see anything wrong with the quality of our basic education. Even 17th century European nations had far better education standards than we currently have. The only thing we are stuck on is how to read and write.

As for those extremely expensive fraudster "international" schools where they pay in dollars but employ teachers from the same pool that the average Naija school employs from, I'd rather homeschool my child.

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Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by EZEIGBO1OFIMO: 3:02pm On Aug 27, 2017
Exciton:


Hehehe. But compared to Eritrea, who no longer have a single fvcking university (according to Aljazeera), there's still hope. grin

The scary thing is that many don't see anything wrong with the quality of our basic education. Even 17th century European nations had far better education standards than we currently have. The only thing we are stuck on is how to read and write.

As for those extremely expensive fraudster "international" schools where they pay in dollars but employ teachers from the same pool that the average Naija school employs from, I'd rather homeschool my child.
I'm really considering homeschooling myself.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Nmanuanu(f): 3:24pm On Aug 27, 2017
Ours is just the opposite. How unfortunate. sad
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Exciton(m): 3:48pm On Aug 27, 2017
EZEIGBO1OFIMO:
I'm really considering homeschooling myself.

I don't think such is possible in Naija. At best, you can supplement your child's learning with online lessons on topics like DIY electronics, politics, philosophy and history that his/her agemates in developed countries are expected to know.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by EZEIGBO1OFIMO: 4:02pm On Aug 27, 2017
Exciton:


I don't think such is possible in Naija. At best, you can supplement your child's learning with online lessons on topics like DIY electronics, politics, philosophy and history that his/her agemates in developed countries are expected to know.
and absolutely no religion grin

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Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Rett0: 4:12pm On Aug 27, 2017
Statsocial:
This template may not work in Nigeria considering our big size and rapidly increasing population. Small countries like Rwanda can use templates of countries with their own size while Nigeria would need to study the templates of emerging big economies like India, Pakistan and Indonesia while copying the models of big countries like China, USA, Brazil and Mexico and not Scandinavian countries as some have suggested.

For instance the template we used for higher education in the 80s is the same template S/Africa uses now but funding as become an issue for S/African varsities as the country does not allow the establishment of private universities. Now with the problematic model S/Africa and Nigeria used the only reason why S/African varsities could rank higher than that of Nigeria was that while Nigeria has about 85 public universities(Not enough if private univ are abolished) S/Africa only has about 24(most likely enough). The Nigerian own was draining cash as the university system expanded and the funding for each university became diluted year in year out.

So if we are serious about ending education tourism, sack the idea of running private universities out of business. However increase funding but DO NOT expand the public university system which would ensure that indigent and brilliant students who want university education can still get access. Allow the rich and middle class of the society to attend private universities and flourish that system. If done successfully the private universities should be encouraged to seek out foreign students from neighbouring African countries to increase their enrollment which would also advance Nigeria's economy.
lalasticlala

We are not bigger than US. Public schools are free and of good standard there.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Chukazu: 4:13pm On Aug 27, 2017
Ameachi did the same in Rivers state, I don't know if Wike has destroyed it
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by lebete3000: 5:17pm On Aug 27, 2017
lonelydora:
This is exactly what Rotimi Amaechi wanted to do in Rivers state while he was governor by building those model schools. But due to politics of hate, Rivers indigenes deliberately allowed those facilities to damage without any maintenance whatsoever by his successors.

Nigerians, who do us this thing?

There's something that breeds that hate. Settle it and see ppl support you. Avoid and see your very good intentions thwarted.

You can't hurt me and try to placate me with something else. I'll always remember and will be driven to destroy you even to my own detriment.

When politicians understand this mentality of an individual, they'll change their ways and things will start to change.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by Optimist88(m): 5:23pm On Aug 27, 2017
Henrypraise:
Nigeria will neva copy a working template...
We can only refer to when a President in the USA were sick.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by rwanda250(f): 6:17pm On Aug 27, 2017
that's my country!!! I am proud rwandese
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by biafran1stson(m): 6:55pm On Aug 27, 2017
The reverse is the case in the demnable zoological republic
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by OGHENAOGIE(m): 7:46pm On Aug 27, 2017
Statsocial:

Well, I don't believe any serious person would even recommend the model of Rwanda's secondary schools for Nigeria.
Oyo state alone handles about half of Rwanda's secondary schools(over 600) and has issues funding it to top notch. So my point for private higher education is also valid for secondary education. The Nigerian govt needs to shed away its socialist tendencies in the education sector and instead build an economy that is bouyant and where ppl can afford to fund their education. So my point is this, we can't run the private or public education system exclusive of each other at any level. We need to consciously allow both(public and private) thrive or else we would hv an highly dependent educational sec wetor which would never be adequate.
well said just like in the United States private schools exist its about having a working economy nd a good system....question we should ask how Is even our primary school system....d bottom line is standard should be set...both private and public schools should meet up d criteria...funding to public schools shd be on govt alone...private individuals and endowment funds is highly needed then any private school thst can meet standard does not deserve to operate as education shd not be profit making alone d impact on d society is important

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Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by OGHENAOGIE(m): 7:51pm On Aug 27, 2017
dapyd1:
Na so e suppose be.

Over here, we started with primary schools. Government totally abandoned them and private took over.

Then we moved to secondary schools, our government secondary schools look like shanties. Apart from a few with good principals and alumni and the Catholic run ones, we are left with leaking roofs, no seats, terrible, under qualified and unpaid teachers.

Now, it's the turn of universities. Politicians and government officials' children school abroad. They've reduced funding for public schools. Curriculum never gets updated. ASUU strike is getting more frequent as the years go by. Lectures' allowances aren't paid amd lecture halls are inadequate and unwholesome. The hostels are another matter, be looking like slaughter houses. I know cause I stayed in one for five years.

Very soon, if you want quality tertiary institution for your ward, you'll have to go private. Public universities will become redundant the way it is going.

Why not, because politicians, just like secondary schools, now own universities.
indeed u said it all no policy direction on education...anything govt we think it can't work which is not true...how come our public primary school system is dead....a state of emergency should be declared on education in Nigeria....

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Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by DrayZee: 7:52pm On Aug 27, 2017
martineverest:
remember that don't have oil.. What have states like Bayelsa, rivers, Delta and akwa ibom whose populations aren't close to that of rwanda but annual incomes are higher than that of rwanda
So why do you think they are asking for resource control?
If they got all the proceeds of their oil, you wouldn't be able to compare Lagos to any of the oil producing States.

They share their proceeds with the rest of Nigeria and it's not fair to them.
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by KenModi(m): 8:18pm On Aug 27, 2017
rozayx5:
Chei chei



Nigeria should just close down and apologize to everyone

And allow us go our ways


Small countries like Botswana don pass us since


Even Tanzania which I grew up in the nineties they took light twice on a decade

Can u still understand and speak Swahili?
Re: Private schools in Rwanda close down as public schools become more attractive by martineverest(m): 10:19pm On Aug 27, 2017
DrayZee:

So why do you think they are asking for resource control?
If they got all the proceeds of their oil, you wouldn't be able to compare Lagos to any of the oil producing States.

They share their proceeds with the rest of Nigeria and it's not fair to them.
oga, I'm from niger Delta, the huge allocation given to Bayelsa is enough to make the state a step ahead of Kigali... Yet our govt squander the money

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