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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by giles14(m): 6:29am On Aug 26, 2017
nemesis4u:
this is a page from the CAG a constitutionally independent audit body of India

competitive trials was held between Arjun mk1 and T90 many years ago

details were hushed up untill it was dug up by CAG and the import loving shiit army officers were roasted but to no avail.

anyways note the ' AUDIT REMARKS'.

arjun comfortably outguns t90 in mobility and firepower
the arjun outgunned the t90 but why then did India still ordered more t90 tanks
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:40am On Aug 26, 2017

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:42am On Aug 26, 2017
giles14:
the arjun outgunned the t90 but why then did India still ordered more t90 tanks

i love extra pocket money that is why grin
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 6:53am On Aug 26, 2017
giles14:
I see India falling out in the near future with Russia.

u have been saying it since last couple of years grin

in the meantime Russians have decided to transfer their 2nd SSN to India , as well as provide consultancy for local Indian SSN design and development. signed deals worth billions of dollars, with Russian companies investing the bulk of it in India.

international relations r not made in media rooms / public discourses nor r they reflected in media news items / reports.

Russia is not a fool to understand that if Russia can deal with china , so can India deal with US, without stepping on each others boot.

in strategic paradigm India is a counter to c******* for Russia , think about it .
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu1(m): 8:38am On Aug 26, 2017
nemesis4u:


i love extra pocket money that is why grin

Its wayyyy past time to courtmartial these mofos! IIRC, I once read smth similar about the Arjun 2 outperforming the T90.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu1(m): 8:43am On Aug 26, 2017
nemesis4u:
LM marketing brochure for indian tender for single engined fighter

Can you compare the Tejas 2,Grip and Korean Golden Eagle here?

https://www.nairaland.com/1386870/african-militaries-security-services-strictly/1345#59781717

Speed,wing loading.max Gs,cost,etc etc. One K-50 costs half a Grip which is a quality all of its own,btw.

http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/-fighter-aircraft.html
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 8:46am On Aug 26, 2017
nemesis4u:
PARAM Shavak - Supercomputer in a Box solution, aims to provide computational resource (Capacity building) with advanced technologies to perform the high-end computations on a larger scale for the scientific, engineering and academic programmes.

PARAM Shavak is a ready-to-use affordable supercomputer pre-loaded with all the required system software and applications from selected scientific and engineering domains. The system is designed to be enabling tool for research organizations as well as academic institutions that need High Performance Computing (HPC) for education and research. It aims to provide computational resource with advanced technologies at affordable cost to perform the high-end computations for the scientific, engineering and academic programmes to address and catalyze the research using modelling, simulation and data analysis.

it is being touted as the world’s most compact supercomputing system

It has a Capacity of 2+ Teraflops.

this would be portable and powerful enough ...... when u need to brute force ur way through
grin how much is it?

how about the game performance?

do u have any specs?

i would consider comparing with SONY PlayStation 4 Pro which has 4.2 Teraflops. cool

but Xbox One X is said to be 6 Teraflops shocked about to be launched in Nov 2017

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:45am On Aug 26, 2017
In my opinion, the best Attack Helicopter on earth.

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 12:12pm On Aug 26, 2017
kikuyu1:


Can you compare the Tejas 2,Grip and Korean Golden Eagle here?

https://www.nairaland.com/1386870/african-militaries-security-services-strictly/1345#59781717

Speed,wing loading.max Gs,cost,etc etc. One K-50 costs half a Grip which is a quality all of its own,btw.

http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/-fighter-aircraft.html

comparative analysis of 2 aircraft's is a herculean task , this can be done only by a airforce with the backing of the respective OEMs.

on paper such analysis will not be feasible becz where is the data in the first place ? what is their authenticity ? is there any commonality between the various OEM figures in terms of test conditions/ test points / test regimes ?

eg. in the MMRCA contest in the field evaluation trials (FETs), 643 parameters were tested individually for each aircraft for the purpose of comparing the 6 types of aircraft's under evaluation and that too in multiple locations . note these r only the FET test points only.


LCA 2 is a paper plan right now ,its first prototypes (all will be production variants ) should come out in a 2 or 3 years .

FA-50 is a high end trainer/LIFT with good combat capabilities

Gripen is a dedicated multi role aircraft aircraft

both fall in the light weight category LWC but FA50 is more towards the lighter end of the LWC while Gripen is towards the heavier end

initial design of a fighter constraints its future development/evolution to a large extent.

there is so much u can do with ur base design, if u keep on adding capabilities it will eat into the aircraft's performance . this is something which no OEM will mention it to u.

FA50 will suffer from penalty as features r added to it ,while Gripen will suffer less since it already had the most of the capabilities built into from scratch

eg. the F16 suffers from high altitude problems , IAF found it aint suitable to conduct missions over NE / North sectors

why becz it is loaded too much........ with CFT etc which eats into its performance but without CFT its combat range is reduced.

funnily LCA has no problems in this aspects becz its inherent compound delta wing design feature and lower wing loading and other user requirements which mandated that it be capable to fly in high altitudes NE / North sectors from the beginning.(however LCA suffers some penalty in other aspects)

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu1(m): 4:39pm On Aug 26, 2017
nemesis4u:


comparative analysis of 2 aircraft's is a herculean task , this can be done only by a airforce with the backing of the respective OEMs.

on paper such analysis will not be feasible becz where is the data in the first place ? what is their authenticity ? is there any commonality between the various OEM figures in terms of test conditions/ test points / test regimes ?

eg. in the MMRCA contest in the field evaluation trials (FETs), 643 parameters were tested individually for each aircraft for the purpose of comparing the 6 types of aircraft's under evaluation and that too in multiple locations . note these r only the FET test points only.


LCA 2 is a paper plan right now ,its first prototypes (all will be production variants ) should come out in a 2 or 3 years .

FA-50 is a high end trainer/LIFT with good combat capabilities

Gripen is a dedicated multi role aircraft aircraft

both fall in the light weight category LWC but FA50 is more towards the lighter end of the LWC while Gripen is towards the heavier end

initial design of a fighter constraints its future development/evolution to a large extent.

there is so much u can do with ur base design, if u keep on adding capabilities it will eat into the aircraft's performance . this is something which no OEM will mention it to u.

FA50 will suffer from penalty as features r added to it ,while Gripen will suffer less since it already had the most of the capabilities built into from scratch

eg. the F16 suffers from high altitude problems , IAF found it aint suitable to conduct missions over NE / North sectors

why becz it is loaded too much........ with CFT etc which eats into its performance but without CFT its combat range is reduced.

funnily LCA has no problems in this aspects becz its inherent compound delta wing design feature and lower wing loading and other user requirements which mandated that it be capable to fly in high altitudes NE / North sectors from the beginning.(however LCA suffers some penalty in other aspects)






True,and the T 50 and Grip have different roles but can you do a quick thumbnail using OSI? Also throw in the Tejas 2 specs if its not too much to ask.
Thanks!

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 4:46pm On Aug 26, 2017
kikuyu1:



True,and the T 50 and Grip have different roles but can you do a quick thumbnail using OSI? Also throw in the Tejas 2 specs if its not too much to ask.
Thanks!

ok give me the specs of T 50 and Grip grin

and i will try my best
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 6:24pm On Aug 26, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Q6X5ZJw-E

guess what this toy can do
grin
made n china
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 7:30pm On Aug 27, 2017
chinese8107:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Q6X5ZJw-E

guess what this toy can do
grin
made n china

Yo man! Where's our jf17?

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:09pm On Aug 27, 2017
even for the simplest of comparison of aircraft's one would need the following data

1.lift to drag ratio
2.lift coefficient
3.sustained turn rate
4.thrust to weight ratio
5.wing loading
6.instantaneous turn rate
7.angle of attack rate
8.climb rate
9.relative energy state
10.drag coefficient
11.specific excess power
12.combat cycle time
13.pitch agility
14.lateral agility
15.axial agility


etc
etc

now why would a OEM publish such extensive data in the open domain wink

@kikuyu1
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:13pm On Aug 27, 2017
nemesis4u:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPZkMasywrU

shocked shocked shocked

nice PR
cant believe i am just seeing this, very wonderfully built boat. shocked And the video!
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:19pm On Aug 27, 2017
jakeporeshenko:

cant believe i am just seeing this, very wonderfully built boat. shocked And the video!

Russians really make good videos and weapons

hope they improve the logistics side too
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:32pm On Aug 27, 2017
nemesis4u:


Russians really make good videos and weapons

hope they improve the logistics side too
TRUE
Although I dont think the Russian armed forces was the major target for this one, Riverine Boats such as this will have such an impact in countries with large river networks and deltas.
i can imagine NN chasing down militants and fleeing oil thieves with this boat holding a squad of fully armed commandos in its belly. grin
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:33pm On Aug 27, 2017
how is the drone recovered ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc-ghCGA3og
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:42pm On Aug 27, 2017
jakeporeshenko:
TRUE
Although I dont think the Russian armed forces was the major target for this one, Riverine Boats such as this will have such an impact in countries with large river networks and deltas.
i can imagine NN chasing down militants and fleeing oil thieves with this boat holding a squad of fully armed commandos in its belly. grin

lol when the boat bow opens to spill out 18 fully armed troopers , the oil thieves will start complaining of wilful deception grin

russia utilizes such boats in good numbers , u gotta take a serious look at their geography grin

unlike soviet union Russia now designs/produces weapons on a need to basis for internal requirements mainly and later they modify or produce variants for export.

it is to cut down expenditure / financial burden
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:49pm On Aug 27, 2017
jakeporeshenko:

how is the drone recovered ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc-ghCGA3og

my guess

1. net, just like the butterfly net used to catch butterflies grin
2.float, the drone will splash down safely in the water using floats, near the boat and then the guys will simply pull it up
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 12:12am On Aug 28, 2017
Its a good rough sketch to show some difference in Mk1 to Mk2.

Mk2 is being developed by joint input provided by Navy & IAF both.
post 2024, when MK1A production order finishes, it will continue with mk2 production, for both navy & IAF
Engine will be more powerful for better thrust .

Expected changes

Length increase by 1 meter
Head cone, expected to point downwards, for better vision.
Wings be bigger.
Wings expected to be delta wings like Mk1A but chopped wider delta wing - for better lift
This also allow wingtip sensors, suites & missiles, lacking in mk1
MK2 Air Inlet be larger & more spaced away than Mk1 as can be seen in sketch.
Landing gear to be modified & strengthened for Naval use
Also notice difference in landing gear Vs Air inlet - this shows it will have a lot better internal fuel carrying capacity
Thicker midsection also allows more space to integrate pods or more space to attach pods.
All these above mean Mk2 will have atleast 2 more hardpoints (wingtip) & 2 hardpoints more free (currently used by fuel droptanks)
Mk2 might only use single centerline droptank

till date

Avionics architecture has been finalized.
New cockpit with bigger size (6”x8”) displays designs completed.
Configuration of Active Phased Array based Unified Electronic Warfare Suite (UEWS) finalized
The number of elements that can be incorporated with the existing geometry for the Antenna Array unit of AESA Radar has been finalized and performance parameters like range and Effective Radiated Power (ERP) computed.
Night Vision Goggle (NVG) compatible L E D lights for Navigation lights and Taxi / Landing Lights are being developed. -
Engineering models have been developed. Performance is being evaluated.
Conformal antenna developed for V/UHF
Unified Pylon Interface Computer (UPIC) fixed in place of individual Pylon Interface Boxes
GE-F414 engine for LCA Mk2 and a contract was signed with GE, USA in September 2012 and due for delivery by 2019.
Canopy reshaping, outer cowl modification, actuator fairing extension and supersonic pylons have resulted in approx 20 counts (8%) drag reduction in supersonic regimes.


how long this fuukery will go on , only lord odin knows grin

maybe i will just ask thors girlfriend grin

darn she dont like my question undecided

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 1:36am On Aug 28, 2017
nemesis4u:
Its a good rough sketch to show some difference in Mk1 to Mk2.

Mk2 is being developed by joint input provided by Navy & IAF both.
post 2024, when MK1A production order finishes, it will continue with mk2 production, for both navy & IAF
Engine will be more powerful for better thrust .

Expected changes

Length increase by 1 meter
Head cone, expected to point downwards, for better vision.
Wings be bigger.
Wings expected to be delta wings like Mk1A but chopped wider delta wing - for better lift
This also allow wingtip sensors, suites & missiles, lacking in mk1
MK2 Air Inlet be larger & more spaced away than Mk1 as can be seen in sketch.
Landing gear to be modified & strengthened for Naval use
Also notice difference in landing gear Vs Air inlet - this shows it will have a lot better internal fuel carrying capacity
Thicker midsection also allows more space to integrate pods or more space to attach pods.
All these above mean Mk2 will have atleast 2 more hardpoints (wingtip) & 2 hardpoints more free (currently used by fuel droptanks)
Mk2 might only use single centerline droptank

till date

Avionics architecture has been finalized.
New cockpit with bigger size (6”x8”) displays designs completed.
Configuration of Active Phased Array based Unified Electronic Warfare Suite (UEWS) finalized
The number of elements that can be incorporated with the existing geometry for the Antenna Array unit of AESA Radar has been finalized and performance parameters like range and Effective Radiated Power (ERP) computed.
Night Vision Goggle (NVG) compatible L E D lights for Navigation lights and Taxi / Landing Lights are being developed. -
Engineering models have been developed. Performance is being evaluated.
Conformal antenna developed for V/UHF
Unified Pylon Interface Computer (UPIC) fixed in place of individual Pylon Interface Boxes
GE-F414 engine for LCA Mk2 and a contract was signed with GE, USA in September 2012 and due for delivery by 2019.
Canopy reshaping, outer cowl modification, actuator fairing extension and supersonic pylons have resulted in approx 20 counts (8%) drag reduction in supersonic regimes.


how long this fuukery will go on , only lord odin knows grin

maybe i will just ask thors girlfriend grin

darn she dont like my question undecided
I like that it has a lower profile... any time schedule for this yet ?

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 1:38am On Aug 28, 2017
This is interesting perimeter security.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 1:40am On Aug 28, 2017
Identify please

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 5:30am On Aug 28, 2017
tdayof:


Yo man! Where's our jf17?

i don't know what's going go ,but i guess the top boss is considering with alternative solution
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 6:39am On Aug 28, 2017
nemesis4u:
even for the simplest of comparison of aircraft's one would need the following data

1.lift to drag ratio
2.lift coefficient
3.sustained turn rate
4.thrust to weight ratio
5.wing loading
6.instantaneous turn rate
7.angle of attack rate
8.climb rate
9.relative energy state
10.drag coefficient
11.specific excess power
12.combat cycle time
13.pitch agility
14.lateral agility
15.axial agility


etc
etc

now why would a OEM publish such extensive data in the open domain wink

@kikuyu1

Exactly man. No one will ever post that.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by M14A1: 6:44am On Aug 28, 2017
nem........ *coughs* grin

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 1:18pm On Aug 28, 2017
Su-30 SM shocked

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 1:19pm On Aug 28, 2017
M14A1:
nem........ *coughs* grin

lol she is a walking armory bet ya thats why she got plunked grin
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 5:02pm On Aug 28, 2017
Interior of Some very impressive Russian LAVs

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 5:04pm On Aug 28, 2017
also on my list of favorite LAVs is the Turkish Ejder Yalçın 4X4

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 7:13pm On Aug 28, 2017
jakeporeshenko:
also on my list of favorite LAVs is the Turkish Ejder Yalçın 4X4

like Tunisian ones

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