jetbomber17:
Now they have leave Muslims and face themselves.

Have u written FSLC

It's a hypothetical statement.there are variables that can prevent one from marrying at that age

Amberon11:
Apostle Chibuzor is NOT a businessman. I will advice you to say what you know. The church helps everyone who needs assistance. Don't deride someone who you don't know. The church runs a free school, free oil and gas trainings, free computer/tailoring/plumbing/paint- making programs etc, even has free boutiques, free restaurants, free mechanic services etc etc etc. These are not even limited to church members only.

Where did he get the money to undertake these tasks? Through church activities abi...

Hier:
There is a man for every woman and a woman for everyman.

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all b the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.



and God cannot lie

It says male not males and it says female not females, Muslims ladies dress decently and they get married. Even with their coverings, they still get married. I think the church is quiet on this matter and they need to educate boys and girls aright on relationship matters

Sir Hier, we need to discuss something sir.

DozieInc:

Ignorance is a choice.

Viewing that less than 2 minutes video will save you a whole lot of "hear say" .

I think the key word is " take responsibility" , nowhere he mentioned 'irresponsible'

Keep lying to urself!

nairanaira12:


And you are so stupid to think we worship Mary in the Catholic Church?

Idiots will stay outside the church and be talking rubbish about what they don't know.

We honour Mary in the Catholic Church and that is all. The church doesn't teach anyone to worship her. If you don't want to continue commenting like a dead brain fool, you will find out properly before you pass judgement . Only an idiot will judge what he doesn't know.

And are you God to determine who goes to heaven or hell?

You worship Mary to the fullest.You even give reference to her by calling her names that should be attributed to Jesus e.g morning star,refuge of sinners, comforter,.To worsen it you hail by calling her Queen mother, Queen of heaven(this part was bluntly condemned in the scriptures)
Facts and scriptures that portray Catholics worshipping idols are
an Idolater is a devoted admirer of idols but what does the Bible say about images and idols?

1. Exodus 20:4-5
“Thou shalt not MAKE unto thee ANY graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not BOW DOWN thyself to them Nor SERVE them.”

Do Catholics MAKE graven images? Yes.
Do Catholics KNEEL down to statues of Mary or Jesus? Yes.
Do Catholics SERVE Mary? Yes, as in “Legion of Mary.”
Do Catholics BOW DOWN and kiss the foot of the pagan god Jupiter which was renamed St Peter? Yes.

2. Leviticus 26:1
“You shall make you NO IDOLS nor GRAVEN IMAGE. Neither rear you up a STANDING IMAGE. Neither shall ye set up any IMAGE OF STONE in your land to bow down unto it.”

Do Catholics rear up STANDING IMAGES? Yes.
Do Catholics set up any IMAGE OF STONE? Yes.

3. Deuteronomy 4:16
“Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and MAKE you a GRAVEN IMAGE, the similitude of ANY FIGURE, the likeness of MALE or FEMALE.”

Do Catholics make graven images of MALE or FEMALE? Yes. Mary is a female. Jesus and the apostles are males.

4. Deuteronomy 16:22
“Neither shalt thou SET thee UP ANY IMAGE: which the Lord thy God HATES.”

Do Catholics SET UP ANY IMAGES? Yes.
Does God HATE IMAGES? Yes.

5. 1 Thessalonians 1:9
“How ye turned to God FROM IDOLS to serve the living and true God.”

Did the early Christians turn FROM IDOLS? Yes.

6. Deuteronomy 27:15
“CURSED be the man that MAKES ANY GRAVEN or MOLTEN IMAGE, an abomination unto the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place.”

Does God put a curse on any person that makes any image? Yes.
Why does God call an image an ABOMINATION? Because He hates

donnaD:
God will surely bless u

Amen, please follow back

asuustrike2009:

You're right. Most ladies and guys dress anyhow

Many times I don't blame them, this relationship thing is very competitive on the Christian part than on the Muslim side. it's a common thing that all Muslim ladies dress modestly and they are many times chastised for poor dressing. I mean heavily. I think every church need to continually meet on this dressing and marriage topic. I personally just saw the severity and implication this pose to the unborn world.

tommiesyn:

Sir Hier, we need to discuss something sir.

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Are you telling me that Apostle Paul is irresponsible? He lived well beyond 35 (unlike Jesus who died at 33) and was single (1 Corinthians 7). Are you telling me that Apostle Paul is irresponsible? He lived well beyond 35 (unlike Jesus who died at 33) and was single (1 Corinthians 7). Are you telling me that Apostle Paul is irresponsible? He lived well beyond 35 (unlike Jesus who died at 33) and was single (1 Corinthians 7).

UnknownT:
But Ibiyomie was wrong saying that

he wasn't wrong. The average naija mans mentality is that he will hammer b4 he gets married

Nairaboi:

How irresponsible can someone be than what you just portrayed here. We are talking about the pastor's speech in a particular context, and all you could do was elaborate stories not even verified. What is my business with his political affiliation or attachment to sending people abroad.
You are highly irresponsible, just as the pastor said. Go sit down and be humble.

u are a FOOOL wit capital letters, and can never be reasonable wif ur myopic craze in idiocy... Ur likes with extreme wallow in "papa" dis and "papa" dat syndrome, is lost and neck deep in ignorance and evil...how can u see beyound your nose tip? .. D truth pains ur ilks and u are as irresponsible as ur sickling pastor... What responsible pastors spews such trash in wateever context watsoever, and wat imbecilic brainless twarts like u, levelled up in stock syndrome, slit their throats in d alter of shameless idiocy to raggamorph it.?

Nairaboi:

How irresponsible can someone be than what you just portrayed here. We are talking about the pastor's speech in a particular context, and all you could do was elaborate stories not even verified. What is my business with his political affiliation or attachment to sending people abroad.
You are highly irresponsible, just as the pastor said. Go sit down and be humble.

Fighting individuals who dare say something.. . Its only unwholesomely irresponsible ediots dat reeks in such vomit, n still meander like a tout to show how d words were never said on how it were never meant., u are pathetic... even shekau of d boko haram chronicle, in his most enviable form cannot be dat stewpid as u are... Wat concerns us and ur pastors speech? How many of u in his church at 35 are married?..wat makes u believe dat every crumb he spits from his mouth and u swallow like a dog on vomit is ryt for ur already maligned foolishness,.becos unguided foools, like u cannot reverberate or evaluate ur tots, or cognitive enough to see.? .. See how pained u are...

Nairaboi:

How irresponsible can someone be than what you just portrayed here. We are talking about the pastor's speech in a particular context, and all you could do was elaborate stories not even verified. What is my business with his political affiliation or attachment to sending people abroad.
You are highly irresponsible, just as the pastor said. Go sit down and be humble.

how can ur type not be dat pained.? People who agrees with d truth, liked d post n clicked.. Do i expect ediots like u to? Not at all.. I have known u are a foool before u replied...go and be responsible, Arrogance is embedded in ur soul..u cant learn anything here because u lack d capacity to look d other sides..instead u fight dirty n dnt wanna go there....

Nairaboi:

How irresponsible can someone be than what you just portrayed here. We are talking about the pastor's speech in a particular context, and all you could do was elaborate stories not even verified. What is my business with his political affiliation or attachment to sending people abroad.
You are highly irresponsible, just as the pastor said. Go sit down and be humble.

If d definition of irresponsibility for both u n members of ur chlimes is anything dat flashes across ur brainless scalp, then being retardedly irresponsible has become part of ur inheritance, n arrogance ur wrapped feed...u urgently need to evaluate ur tot process, be appropriately humble, rattional, evaluative, cognitve, n listen beyound sounds .....seriously..

eMidas:
Pastor David Ibiyeomie of Salvation Ministries NEVER categorically said being 35 and not married makes one irresponsible. Google the video and watch for yourself.

Secondly, I think the OPM Pastor is just trying to take advantage of the 'rumor' to 'win' members to himself. Its this kind of OPM stuff, if true, that makes young Christians think the church matter is now about having the largest member numerically. You can marry anywhere. No special standard to marry in Christendom.

point of correctn,he already has more than enuf members he doesnt even need members,n even if he need members nt thru a statement of ds nature,com to doctor Jesus city aluu n confirm.

Trendishine:
If d definition of irresponsibility for both u n members of ur chlimes is anything dat flashes across ur brainless scalp, then being retardedly irresponsible has become part of ur inheritance, n arrogance ur wrapped feed...u urgently need to evaluate ur tot process, be appropriately humble, rattional, evaluative, cognitve, n listen beyound sounds .....seriously..

Epistle upon Epistle yet making no sense. How shallow can you thought process be?

ubergold:
There has indeed been a cold war between the 2 men of God. Both are undoubtedly on top of the list of most powerful Pastors in the city of Port Harcourt. Pst Chibuzor has seemingly thrown jabs at the Salvation ministry pastor with comments such as "you don't need 7 keys of wisdom as some pastors will tell you, what you need is power", "... We are talking about power, not speaking big big grammar"... The story too long....

yesoo anoiting is grammar,n d grammar n 7keys has nt helped dem daz y his members full opm,one day dat man go cm church in no go c anybody,i tell u...

Topgainer:

Is this the edited or abridged version of his statements? Good work defence team but know that he will say more because that is his habit, most times, his ego tells him that he is speaking wisdom. And his weekly lectures are centered on nuggets that excite his followers rarely he performs some 'miracles and stunts'.
Apostle Dr Chibuzor is not as educated and charismatic as he, but has some conscience and possesses more knowledge of the deep. Head to Head the Apostle performs more miraculous stunts and talks less. The charity works of the Apostle are more meaningful e.g. completely free schools, prostitute rehabilitation, free estates for the poorest of the poor e.t.c compare that with the Bishop who pays back mainly those who have served him and are committed to serving him with rented flats, allowances and brandnew vehicles. Sometimes, he gives to the widows, very little ofcourse, compared with the money he rakes in every week.

i even c som of his members at d opm foundatn learn in d free skills acqusitn.d oilrig,pipeline weldn,hse,if it was his church dey will first of all ask u if u r a tither,a member,which dept?which branch?may God help us.

lucrownt:
Where did he get the money to undertake these tasks? Through church activities abi...

hello.......dat is wat is d tithes n offerin is used for,nt buyn estates,schools,planes,dat church members cants afford.

tonio2wo:


Why will ibiyiome make such careless statement? I knw many responsible people that are still single at 35 n above and some are his members. But he wont reject their tithes n offerings when the 'irresponsible' 35 year old singles bring it.

Shior!

ibiyeomie has d right to preach what he believes is right to his members, this is not d first time opm pastor is firing back at ibiyeomie like the guy is his competitor. . I think its best he just minds his business by focusing on his church.

Rett0:
Just views. No war...
Depends on your point of view...
I still can't find any shade.

Yea, for every rule there may be exceptions. Ibiyeomi's message is NOT 4 every1. The target audience has heard him.

Analee:
point of correctn,he already has more than enuf members he doesnt even need members,n even if he need members nt thru a statement of ds nature,com to doctor Jesus city aluu n confirm.

That's the point still. You are still young in faith.
Its not about membership my dear. Its about impact the congregation makes after church gathering. That's what Christianity is all about!!! Trust me, the OPM pastor shouldn't have talked in that line if he weren't trying to indirectly reply Pastor David.

No arguments, fellow. I don't argue church matter. I have grown above that in faith. Your pastor or not, it wasn't properly said. That's all. I'm neither a member of the two congregations. And no competition in the Christian faith.

asuustrike2009:

You worship Mary to the fullest.You even give reference to her by calling her names that should be attributed to Jesus e.g morning star,refuge of sinners, comforter,.To worsen it you hail by calling her Queen mother, Queen of heaven(this part was bluntly condemned in the scriptures)
Facts and scriptures that portray Catholics worshipping idols are
an Idolater is a devoted admirer of idols but what does the Bible say about images and idols?



1. Exodus 20:4-5
“Thou shalt not MAKE unto thee ANY graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not BOW DOWN thyself to them Nor SERVE them.”

Do Catholics MAKE graven images? Yes.
Do Catholics KNEEL down to statues of Mary or Jesus? Yes.
Do Catholics SERVE Mary? Yes, as in “Legion of Mary.”
Do Catholics BOW DOWN and kiss the foot of the pagan god Jupiter which was renamed St Peter? Yes.

2. Leviticus 26:1
“You shall make you NO IDOLS nor GRAVEN IMAGE. Neither rear you up a STANDING IMAGE. Neither shall ye set up any IMAGE OF STONE in your land to bow down unto it.”

Do Catholics rear up STANDING IMAGES? Yes.
Do Catholics set up any IMAGE OF STONE? Yes.

3. Deuteronomy 4:16
“Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and MAKE you a GRAVEN IMAGE, the similitude of ANY FIGURE, the likeness of MALE or FEMALE.”

Do Catholics make graven images of MALE or FEMALE? Yes. Mary is a female. Jesus and the apostles are males.

4. Deuteronomy 16:22
“Neither shalt thou SET thee UP ANY IMAGE: which the Lord thy God HATES.”

Do Catholics SET UP ANY IMAGES? Yes.
Does God HATE IMAGES? Yes.

5. 1 Thessalonians 1:9
“How ye turned to God FROM IDOLS to serve the living and true God.”

Did the early Christians turn FROM IDOLS? Yes.

6. Deuteronomy 27:15
“CURSED be the man that MAKES ANY GRAVEN or MOLTEN IMAGE, an abomination unto the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place.”

Does God put a curse on any person that makes any image? Yes.
Why does God call an image an ABOMINATION? Because He hates

Go and read Numbers 21 and come back here to explain what it means. Maybe you also want to read the first few verses of Revelation Chapter 12 and translate it in truth, especially verse 1 of that chapter. If after reading you still think Mary doesn't deserve all the honour she is accorded, then it is your problem. You can continue in your unbelief, while I continue in my belief.

If you feel what they do in your church will take you to heaven, it is your problem. If I feel shy they do in my church will take me to heaven, it is my problem.

In numbers 21, God specifically commanded the Israelites to make graven image. If I were you, I will use my head and get complete truth from the scriptures before pretending to know what I don't know and arguing like a fool over what I have only limited knowledge about.

nairanaira12:


Go and read Numbers 21 and come back here to explain what it means. Maybe you also want to read the first few verses of Revelation Chapter 12 and translate it in truth, especially verse 1 of that chapter. If after reading you still think Mary doesn't deserve all the honour she is accorded, then it is your problem. You can continue in your unbelief, while I continue in my belief.

If you feel what they do in your church will take you to heaven, it is your problem. If I feel shy they do in my church will take me to heaven, it is my problem.

In numbers 21, God specifically commanded the Israelites to make graven image. If I were you, I will use my head and get complete truth from the scriptures before pretending to know what I don't know and arguing like a fool over what I have only limited knowledge about.

My brother come from idol worship. I laugh when you say the lord commanded the Israelites to make graven image.hahaaaaaa! Do you mean a rode that look like serpent I suppose, did you see were it stated that they should bow to it?. Most Catholics bow to graven images claiming they are honouring someone that's already dead. Am very such with the scriptural facts you would go and think of it. It's normal for you to react this way because of the Prince of this world has blinded many idolaters.Those scriptures I gave to you,study them and digest them and see for yourself if what your church is doing isn't contrary to the Bible. The Bible is our standard as Christians. Mary is dead already and she shouldn't be honoured at all.she's not the only virgin in Israel

The body of Christ is one and it is utter foolishness to fight one another especially through inferences. You can only do that on air if you have made effort to reach the other person and the effort proved abortive.

However, their are some messages that should never be heard if they will gender controversies. Just keep it to your congregation. The media is very powerful as what one person utters could affect countless thousands of souls and every man of God wants to protect his members from what he think is a fallacy.

asuustrike2009:

My brother come from idol worship. I laugh when you say the lord commanded the Israelites to make graven image.hahaaaaaa! Do you mean a rode that look like serpent I suppose, did you see were it stated that they should bow to it?. Most Catholics bow to graven images claiming they are honouring someone that's already dead. Am very such with the scriptural facts you would go and think of it. It's normal for you to react this way because of the Prince of this world has blinded many idolaters.Those scriptures I gave to you,study them and digest them and see for yourself if what your church is doing isn't contrary to the Bible. The Bible is our standard as Christians. Mary is dead already and she shouldn't be honoured at all.she's not the only virgin in Israel

You will not agree, but you are the blind one here.

Imagine how you try to reduce the importance of the graven image by saying it is a rod that looks like a serpent... Why do you have to lie and turn the scriptures upside down because you want to win an argument and justify your personal opinion that Catholics are worshipping idols? This is very shameful, and peeps like you will still want to claim you have the Holy Spirit, the same Holy Spirit didn't tell you that it is a grave sin to turn the scriptures upside down.

You called it a rod that looked like a serpent, is that how the Bible put it or you put it like that to make yourself sound correct? Your conduct is shameful.

It is now clear your intention is not really about preaching the truth; it is all about proving yourself to be right. Mr, you aren't a Christian; you are just an empty church goer, who thinks the way to heaven is condenmning.

Read verse 8 and 9 again and compare them to what you wrote. Is this what they teach you in your church? Turning the scriptures upside down to make it sound like how u want it to be? I would rather remain in the Catholic Church than join your churches where you change the Bible to please yourselves.


I don't expect you to believe or accept. You feel what they teach you is correct and other people with different understanding are wrong. It is your personal problem. I know the Catholic faith is leading me to heaven. You don't have to believe, belive on anything that you think will take you to heaven, even if it includes shamelessly changing what is written in the bible to justify your demonic, ungodly ego.

nairanaira12:



You will not agree, but you are the blind one here.

Imagine how you try to reduce the importance of the graven image by saying it is a rod that looks like a serpent... Why do you have to lie and turn the scriptures upside down because you want to win an argument and justify your personal opinion that Catholics are worshipping idols? This is very shameful, and peeps like you will still want to claim you have the Holy Spirit, the same Holy Spirit didn't tell you that it is a grave sin to turn the scriptures upside down.

You called it a rod that looked like a serpent, is that how the Bible put it or you put it like that to make yourself sound correct? Your conduct is shameful.

It is now clear your intention is not really about preaching the truth; it is all about proving yourself to be right. Mr, you aren't a Christian; you are just an empty church goer, who thinks the way to heaven is condenmning.

Read verse 8 and 9 again and compare them to what you wrote. Is this what they teach you in your church? Turning the scriptures upside down to make it sound like how u want it to be? I would rather remain in the Catholic Church than join your churches where you change the Bible to please yourselves.


I don't expect you to believe or accept. You feel what they teach you is correct and other people with different understanding are wrong. It is your personal problem. I know the Catholic faith is leading me to heaven. You don't have to believe, belive on anything that you think will take you to heaven, even if it includes shamelessly changing what is written in the bible to justify your demonic, ungodly ego.

8 And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

The above verses which you said is what I pasted to you. God told Moses to make fiery serpent and set on the pole and that any Israelite that looks at it would live.He didn't say they should bow to it, the rational behind this was because the Israelites disobeyed God. Coming to question about leaving the Catholic church, it's your choice anyway. I only suggested to you because most of you have refused to do anyway with the idols in the church. I grew in the Catholic church so I knew most of those things they practice. The church is a good church except for the idols they worship there.Many Catholics are aware of it but are afraid to speak in other for it to be changed, mind you there's no church in heaven. Why not have time, study the scriptures, pray to God and ask him if it's really true that that most Catholics are involved in idol worship. You don't need to argue, just pray earnestly and see if God wouldn't reveal things to you.

eMidas:


That's the point still. You are still young in faith.
Its not about membership my dear. Its about impact the congregation makes after church gathering. That's what Christianity is all about!!! Trust me, the OPM pastor shouldn't have talked in that line if he weren't trying to indirectly reply Pastor David.

No arguments, fellow. I don't argue church matter. I have grown above that in faith. Your pastor or not, it wasn't properly said. That's all. I'm neither a member of the two congregations. And no competition in the Christian faith.

nobody is talkn abt faith here,in opm weda u av faith or nt,weda u av doubts or nt its works beyond human comprehension,nobody is competing wif anybody,he replied becos wat d oda pst said wasnt rite,wen in opm ppl n their 60s,70s are gettn married

Analee:
nobody is talkn abt faith here,in opm weda u av faith or nt,weda u av doubts or nt its works beyond human comprehension,nobody is competing wif anybody,he replied becos wat d oda pst said wasnt rite,wen in opm ppl n their 60s,70s are gettn married

OK