totorimi:
First and foremost is what your present age is and I presume you are going there to better your life and make some money because of the exchange rate which favors people over there. You dont want to stay in that cold forever and be living like second rate citizen.

Having said that, if you are still in your teenage then I will advice you start up by choosing a career path and going to school first but if you are in your late 30's or 40's then I will suggest you acquire a short training in the medical field either nursing, medical lab, pharmacy, medical billing, radiography etc. The truth is that you must be extra ordinary good to survive the discrimination that goes on in all those office jobs where you have the real whites, Indians, Spanish etc. Know it now that if you don't have their accent, or a citizen or able to communicate in a second language like spanish and if you are black, issues. You must be the best at your skill set to last in an office job.

Yes, all they want plenty are labourers, glorified slaves not competitors, so the medical field still remains one area you may stay and arrange yourself. Better still you concentrate on cab driving, UBER or Lyft or others.

If only our leaders were visionary human beings, I bet you no sane human being will leave Naija and go a stay put inside refrigerator temperature environment where or manner of bad behavior is welcomed in the open space, a no man's business environment.

Lorax:

Why do we keep referring to those traveling out as second class citizens and slaves? Are we treated any better in Nigeria? No everyone is cut out for the life of suffering and smiling. People are suffering in this country and you expect them to sit down and keep hoping instead of looking for a way out? Open a thread stating that you want to give out money to people in need and hear different stories. Do you know that as cheap as Education is in Nigeria majority of Nigerians can't afford it? Do you know how many mouths those second class citizens and slaves are feeding in Nigeria? Do you know how much they send to relatives and families year in and out? Please don't blame people for taking a way out.

Nsogbu1992:
@gokuu, I hope I did not come too hard on you. Rather than telling me how I picked data points that favour me, why don't you pick data points that favour you as well. The truth is that you have none.
On your claim about Wall Street, I know a lot about them. Wall Street is rather an elusive dream for any black man.
Also, your avowal that you are an undergrad is somewhat dubious. I would instead believe that you are someone who is well educated. Probably to masters level. You just do not write like an undergrad. I also know that you are not a Nigerian. We the Nigerians, we know ourselves. I will not go into details. Whoever you are, please stop making our people feel that Europe or America is some sort of El Dorado.. That is only a fallacy. Stop making people to presume. presumption is as iniquity and idolatry. Thank you.

jantavanta:


Well said! I have been following up your responses to the apparent online marketing of second-slavery transatlantic slave ship. This time, they have picked on the wrong person to lure on-board. Slave Ship Ahoy!

OfficialDad:


I had plans too. How far v u gone?

jantavanta:


If I offer the money, it will be saved for ticket and visa.
Says who? You? You really have no idea do you? I'm talking about people begging for #5000 online to atleast have something to eat and you are talking about saving for visa and ticket. You think those saving for ticket will ask you for money online?
Most Americans take loans to go to College, not University. A lot get stuck trying to repay these loans.
Who said anything about Americans or America? You see the mistake most of you make is assuming everyone wants to travel to America. America is not the only developed country in the world. They are better countries you just have to be informed.
Instead of Campus Runs girls, they call them student Escort girls. There is no free tertiary education there. What Awolowo started here is unimaginable there.
Nobody is talking about the vices there. I never said anything about Campus Runs girls because it's everywhere. Please which tertiary institution is free in Nigeria? If you are talking about Government primary and Secondary Schools which are free you are not being sincere. The Government schools that are abandoned, where students sit on the floor where the teachers do not care? How many comfortable Nigerians will want to send their children there?
It is we who go there and aspire to their Universities and that is how they raise money to give their people scholarship.
Are you trying to say that they don't have better schools? If you don't want Nigerians to keep traveling out for better Education tell the Government to fix the Education sector. We can't keep settling for less.

Their free public High School is a war zone, where kids can get de-educated.
And you think the one in Nigeria is any better? Have you heard of school fight among Government schools in Nigeria? You need to witness it to know how bloody it gets. Talking about de-education visit the Government schools and see for yourself.
As for the remittances to relatives in Nigeria, it is at the expense of their mental health. They have been depersonalised to become a mere Social Security Number.
Seriously at the expense of their mental health? The way you guys say these things will make people think we are treated any better in this Country.
Why are so many Americans drug addicts? It is to dull the pain we do not see in Hollywood films that entice us.
Like I said before the world do not revolve around America.
We need a wake up call.
We need a wake up call about the injustice in this Country. Until we hold the Government responsible and make them fix this country people will traveling out for a better live.

jantavanta:


If I offer the money, it will be saved for ticket and visa.


Says who? You? You really have no idea do you? I'm talking about people begging for #5000 online to atleast have something to eat and you are talking about saving for visa and ticket. You think those saving for ticket will ask you for money online?
Most Americans take loans to go to College, not University. A lot get stuck trying to repay these loans.


Who said anything about Americans or America? You see the mistake most of you make is assuming everyone wants to travel to America. America is not the only developed country in the world. They are better countries you just have to be informed.
Instead of Campus Runs girls, they call them student Escort girls. There is no free tertiary education there. What Awolowo started here is unimaginable there.


Nobody is talking about the vices there. I never said anything about Campus Runs girls because it's everywhere. Please which tertiary institution is free in Nigeria? If you are talking about Government primary and Secondary Schools which are free you are not being sincere. The Government schools that are abandoned, where students sit on the floor where the teachers do not care? How many comfortable Nigerians will want to send their children there?
It is we who go there and aspire to their Universities and that is how they raise money to give their people scholarship.


Are you trying to say that they don't have better schools? If you don't want Nigerians to keep traveling out for better Education tell the Government to fix the Education sector. We can't keep settling for less.

Their free public High School is a war zone, where kids can get de-educated.


And you think the one in Nigeria is any better? Have you heard of school fight among Government schools in Nigeria? You need to witness it to know how bloody it gets. Talking about de-education visit the Government schools and see for yourself.
As for the remittances to relatives in Nigeria, it is at the expense of their mental health. They have been depersonalised to become a mere Social Security Number.
Seriously at the expense of their mental health? The way you guys say these things will make people think we are treated any better in this Country.
Why are so many Americans drug addicts? It is to dull the pain we do not see in Hollywood films that entice us.


Like I said before the world do not revolve around America.
We need a wake up call.


We need a wake up call about the injustice in this Country. Until we hold the Government responsible and make them fix this country people will traveling out for a better live.

MCzubby247:

You're sure of that's salary in the state

@gokuu On a second thought, since you accused me of picking points, the reason I do is that from my experience, I find some of your points amusing. But for the sake of our audience, permit me to set the record straight.
Your assertion that people lack access to required fund is simply laughable. Infact, the Federal republic of Nigeria is one of the fairest countries in the world. And I'll prove it. Just read along. Aliko Dangote started with borrowed funds. Which he later repaid back. Ben Bruce also started with borrowed funds. Anybody can access the needed funds as long as you know what you are doing. All you need to do is to have a clear plan. Show it to the banks, and if it's a good one, they will give you whatever funds you need. Which bank does not want to make money?In addition to that, you will also get tax breaks from the government in most cases to help you to succeed. Well I don't know what is fairer than that. Whereas in the so called advanced economies, the big cooperations will simply lobby the government to tax you excessively to put you down. Most Nigerian billionaires were once poor. If they never got the required funds they needed, how then did they make it. Are they magicians?. The opportunities are just there. But people just don't grab them.
Talking about the U.K. Tax system. One would have hoped that you would have verified and had facts in your response. I stand by my earlier response on that, but I however stand to be corrected whenever you have facts.
How can you tell me that almost 50% of your income is used to provide you with amenities. What kind of amenities is that. It's a complete ripoff my friend(419). Last time I checked, the lines to see a doctor in the U.K. is as long as river niger. Unless you are rich enough to cut the line. Then, one wonders what kind of amenities they are providing. In America, it is almost infact worst. After they tax you so much, you will also have to pay for your own health insurance which is one of the most expensive in the world. And if you don't have it, you are finished.
My claim that most people live on welfare in U.K. is true. I expect you to come out with facts. Please, do. The United Kingdom has one of the highest welfare fraud cases in the world. That is because a lot of people depend on that system to survive. And they do because they know their government taxes them so much and leaves them with almost nothing.
Permit me to also tell you why. Taxation is the only way the U.K. can survive. They do not have natural resources enough to keep them afloat. Therefore, the only way their government can survive is to tax their citizens heavily. Do you know how many people renounce U.K. And U.S citizenship every year? Even the Facebook guy Mark Zukerberg renounced American citizenship because of the heavy taxation. But in Nigeria, there are loopholes purposely designed by the government to make sure everyone one is given a fair shot. Infact, God bless that country with a green with green flag. I rep. Naija!!. Nigeria has enough natural resources to cushion the expenses of the government. This helps to ensure that no citizen is over taxed.
I admit that things might be hard in Nigeria now for some people, but I tell you what. One day, one mad man from somewhere will lead this nation and set it on the right path. And I can assure you that when that time comes, the over hyped advanced economies will be no match for her(naija).
I will also advise you to go to the streets of Lagos or Abuja or even port harcourt. You will see the number of luxurious cars you will find. 95% of those cars were paid for CASH. At least 80% of houses were also paid for CASH!. But in America or U.K, 99.9% are paid for through credit. Which makes me wonder where is the so called American dream. The average American has at least $40,000 worth of debt. That is not life my dear. In the federal republic of Nigeria, we speak cash. Not lines of credit.
And just before I go, we are already friends. Internet friends thou. Thank you very much.

Lorax:

Please let's be honest with ourselves, if Nigeria was a sane country those people you mention won't be this rich. Do you know how Dangote makes his money? By lobbying the government to make policies that favour just him. Do you know how many people he has put out of business? He wants to have the monopoly. Why do you think almost all the billionaires we have in this country had a connection with those in power at one point in time. The government made them rich. Truth is with the way we are going I don't think there will be any hope for the next generation. What do you think is the hope of the common man?

Thank you very much for your kind contribution. While I agree with most of what you've said, I beg to disagree on the part that says,"lack of opportunity for a better life.....". History has shown that the most successful Nigerians are the ones that were born, educated and raised in Nigeria. I am yet to see a Nigerian-American who dares come close to the big names we have here in Nigeria. These guys are not demons. They are human. Just like you and I. Nigeria has one of the largest population of youths in the world which no doubt, is good. But the bad side is that these youths believe in becoming a millionaire overnight which is not possible anywhere in the world. There are so many ways one can make it in Nigeria. We the youth cannot continue to blame the government. The government does not create job anywhere in the world. Rather, they can only create enabling environments, thus, enabling investors to come in and create jobs. In this case, the government has failed to create the environment. But that does not mean that we should all run away. We have to become our own governments and stop making excuses. Statistics shows that Nigerians are one of the most successful black race on earth. These guys can go anywhere and make it. Correct me if am wrong. Therefore, this country has a very great future. Let nobody deceive anybody by telling them that once they go to America or Europe, they become rich. That is a blatant lie my friend. For me, I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees. We know what happens to immigrants in America or Europe. Especially Europe. Gracias!.

AAinEqGuinea:


Sure, there are few people who managed to monetize a legitimate hustle, but you're only as strong as your weakest links. 'Giant of Africa', 'Lion of Africa', thats a tall order in which I'd argue Nigeria has regrettably failed to exhibit. Nigeria's leadership cant live up to the potential of its people. There are only a few African giants while the rest of Nigeria starves. Babies being flushed in gutters, young people go to college just to become jobless, starving, or victims or witnesses of jungle justice or another man's selfish ritual, poorly sustained public services and infrastructure, no more exploited oil; many people are now conditioned to live like animals just to survive. The government created this mess and those giants and those enabled by them continue looking out for themselves, now behind the guise of restructuring. When you're facing challenges of Nigeria's magnitude you can do anything anywhere, but is it worth it?

Just about every black race has a chapter were they've shown exceptional abilities. First Black doctor here, Fine Black NASA scientist there, Black reincarnate of white everywhere... We're all living by standards we never created, but this is an area I'd love to see Nigeria shine either in the UK, America, or NAIJA . But history has proven that once the black race competes to live up to white standards that this is also where most blacks fail or tend to look out for themselves rather than the betterment of the group/country/tribes/race. Once Nigeria's greed discovered oil, the giants always looked out for themselves. Once Nigeria's fearless greed found Jesus, the pastoral giants never stood up to the government on behalf of the people and have only looked out for themselves for the most part. I could go on, but admittedly Nigeria isnt alone here, but then again the title of "Giant/Lion of Africa" is a tall order in which I believe Nigeria or Biafrans can do it, but until that time, come over to America, lets talk about it.

Pidgin2:


You are not making sense, you don't have to respond when you no longer know what to say

History has shown that the most successful Nigerians are the ones that were born, educated and raised in Nigeria. I am yet to see a Nigerian-American who dares come close to the big names we have here in Nigeria. These guys are not demons. They are human. Just like you and I. Nigeria has one of the largest population of youths in the world which no doubt, is good. But the bad side is that these youths believe in becoming a millionaire overnight which is not possible anywhere in the world. There are so many ways one can make it in Nigeria.

AAinEqGuinea:


My contention was with:

Nigeria can be a powerhouse churning out success stories on every corner. Until that time comes, and to maybe escape from it all, I'd welcome Nigerians here in America by the boatload. Lets leave it at that. A few homegrown success stories doesn't make a country great and I'd argue Nigeria's added layer of needless suffrage and corruption doesnt yield added grit, as many will fall through the cracks of Nigeria's suffrage, corruption, and neglect. I'd rather those Nigerians come here rather than be sold another "there's glory at the end of your pain" fallacy.

Sanchase:
He should go and enlarge his John Thomas , boys are hitting big money with it in the States, thank me later

sonnie10:
Once you land, just go to any nursing school and do LPN or LVN. It is one year programm. Once you have the licence you will be gainfully employed.

They make up to $30 per hour in some states. If you work two jobs, that is more than $2000 a week.

Then you can figure out exactly what you have passion for and pursue that.

Please forget all these menial jobs if you are not licensed. Side jobs and under the table will never cut it.
America is set up differently to work by rewarding hard work and those paying their taxes

Nwebele:
Chaii!! That is why we are where we are today. Some few people enjoying what should serve hundreds of millions and we are expected to work hard and keep 'surviving'.

That Mr. Eloquent who just shut everyone up with his intelligence should better come back here. He needs to tell us his background. His arguement can only be fair if he was just an ordinary nigerian who worked his way up from a very very humble background. But I doubt because he does not sound so. He does not have a good understanding of how the system plays in Nigeria. All the people he mentioned were raised with money gotten from Nigerian 'national cake'. Since he read so well, let him come back and give us the biography of these men he stated.

Nigerians! Nigerians! Suffering and smiling . Yet one person who was schooled from 'our money' will speak some grammer and quote some selected facts and everyone is silenced and nodding their heads. Why do we easily get brainwashed.

He should rather teach us how to be established. How much to pay for fuel to keep constant light as a graphic artist, as a professional photographer, as an IT expert etc. What about water? What about good road network for mobility? Its a pity he didnt touch those areas as the achievement of his dear Nigeria.

As a fresh graduate and a graphic Artist or Printer in a layman' language being my major skill, with no savings, where do I start from? Note that I dont have any tangible asset to use as collateral.

As an importer with limited cash, how do I survive after the custom and import charges. Note that there are made men in this country who have huge waivers from this charges. How do you fit into the market when the same product is sold at half your price (after import charges) by these made men? Do you know how many people have goods in some warehouses that they couldnt sell and suddenly the goods got out of fashion or out of demand. I guess you never gone through that path.

Do you know how many people are inone trouble or the other today just because they borrowed money from bank and business went bad. Have you identified the causes of bankcruptcy in Nigeria today?

Mr Eloquent, I am tempted to say you have spoken for a particular class of people. I doubt you are or have ever been an average Nigerian who worked his way to the top. I am tempted to believe you are one of those or a product of those who put Nigeria in the current situation. You do not feel the pain and frustration of an average Nigerian. You only want to placate your conscience by these bogus 'excuses' you have made. A lot of people in poorer african countries are content with their country not because they have too much but because they are being provided with the basic needs. Imagine poor Benin Republic, Togo, Burkina Fasso, Tanzania etc You would hardly find them hustling like Nigerians to live in US or UK. Why? Some of them have never heard anything like Electricity failure, lack of good water, etc. Secondly, those big names you mentioned that made it in Nigeria, send off their children toschool in the same US and UK you so discourage others from. Can you tell us why?

sonnie10:


Yes it is a full time program with mandatory clinical hours . Almost everyone works while also doing the program, even if it is part time.

Some schools, especially the community colleges are almost free. But private schools are very expensive. The truth is that you do not need the private schools for LPN

@gokuu On a second thought, since you accused me of picking points, the reason I do is that from my experience, I find some of your points amusing. But for the sake of our audience, permit me to set the record straight.
Your assertion that people lack access to required fund is simply laughable. Infact, the Federal republic of Nigeria is one of the fairest countries in the world. And I'll prove it. Just read along. Aliko Dangote started with borrowed funds. Which he later repaid back. Ben Bruce also started with borrowed funds. Anybody can access the needed funds as long as you know what you are doing. All you need to do is to have a clear plan. Show it to the banks, and if it's a good one, they will give you whatever funds you need. Which bank does not want to make money?In addition to that, you will also get tax breaks from the government in most cases to help you to succeed. Well I don't know what is fairer than that. Whereas in the so called advanced economies, the big cooperations will simply lobby the government to tax you excessively to put you down. Most Nigerian billionaires were once poor. If they never got the required funds they needed, how then did they make it. Are they magicians?. The opportunities are just there. But people just don't grab them.
Talking about the U.K. Tax system. One would have hoped that you would have verified and had facts in your response. I stand by my earlier response on that, but I however stand to be corrected whenever you have facts.
How can you tell me that almost 50% of your income is used to provide you with amenities. What kind of amenities is that. It's a complete ripoff my friend(419). Last time I checked, the lines to see a doctor in the U.K. is as long as river niger. Unless you are rich enough to cut the line. Then, one wonders what kind of amenities they are providing. In America, it is almost infact worst. After they tax you so much, you will also have to pay for your own health insurance which is one of the most expensive in the world. And if you don't have it, you are finished.
My claim that most people live on welfare in U.K. is true. I expect you to come out with facts. Please, do. The United Kingdom has one of the highest welfare fraud cases in the world. That is because a lot of people depend on that system to survive. And they do because they know their government taxes them so much and leaves them with almost nothing.
Permit me to also tell you why. Taxation is the only way the U.K. can survive. They do not have natural resources enough to keep them afloat. Therefore, the only way their government can survive is to tax their citizens heavily. Do you know how many people renounce U.K. And U.S citizenship every year? Even the Facebook guy Mark Zukerberg renounced American citizenship because of the heavy taxation. But in Nigeria, there are loopholes purposely designed by the government to make sure everyone one is given a fair shot. Infact, God bless that country with a green with green flag. I rep. Naija!!. Nigeria has enough natural resources to cushion the expenses of the government. This helps to ensure that no citizen is over taxed.
I admit that things might be hard in Nigeria now for some people, but I tell you what. One day, one mad man from somewhere will lead this nation and set it on the right path. And I can assure you that when that time comes, the over hyped advanced economies will be no match for her(naija).
I will also advise you to go to the streets of Lagos or Abuja or even port harcourt. You will see the number of luxurious cars you will find. 95% of those cars were paid for CASH. At least 80% of houses were also paid for CASH!. But in America or U.K, 99.9% are paid for through credit. Which makes me wonder where is the so called American dream. The average American has at least $40,000 worth of debt. That is not life my dear. In the federal republic of Nigeria, we speak cash. Not lines of credit.
And just before I go, we are already friends. Internet friends thou. Thank you very much.

banmee:


Hopefully he is going there with legal status and if he is, his best bet is to join the military. It is the fastest way to land on your feet in America if you are an immigrant. He doesn't need to do it for long. He can start with a three year contract and in that three years, he would build his credit, have enough money for college or complete college and also buy a house.

vickertony:

Hello, i like to know if this is applicable while on student visa, Thank you.

banmee:


It should be. But i warn you, it is not an easy process.

gokuu:


You're comments are really out of touch.

To be suggesting that Nigeria is "one of the fairest countries in the world" is not only disingenuous, but untrue in every sense of the word. Nigeria and "fairness" should not be used in the same sentence.

When you say Dangote started with borrowed funds, you engage in sophistry. Let us not kid ourselves; Dangote has always been a progeny of the powerful Dantata family. No one truly knows how Dangote started his business, but one thing we can all agree is that Dangote, whom I respect so much, has had opportunities the "99.9%" will never have.

It's like comparing Mohammed Indimi's 22-year old nephew to a regular Nigerian graduate; and then arguing that they are on the same footing when that is clearly not case. Say for instance, both submitt the identical business proposals to a bank, we all know that one proposal would be rejected, while the other would be endorsed even before a formal appraisal. Banks want to make money but they do not like risks; and as long as powerful continue to borrow, the banks cannot be bothered to lend to less fortunate people in any substantial way.

I hate to break it to you, but the number of luxurious cars on the streets has nothing to do with the poverty rate or lack of opportunity in the country. Come on, are you really that shallow?

I will not dignify your comments on taxes with a response because I have concluded that you do not have a good grasp of the concept of taxation and a social safety net.

Your comments on natural resources are highly pedestrian and poorly developed. When you talk about any kind of resource, you must be sure to put it in context. Nigeria's natural resources may seem "large" in absolute terms, but when you look at it relative to the population, you will see that trouble is looming especially with our population growth rate.

Citing a few popular business men as "grass-to-grace" exemplars totally misrepresents the Nigerian situation; you are essentially arguing that people make their life's decision based on the "exception" rather than the "rule".

It's good to dream big, but making decisions by thinking "what-would-Dangote-do" will get you in a lot of trouble.

In all, if you think you can juggle the Nigerian system, then do that. But for rank-and-file Nigerians, it may more prudent to seek a society where your handiwork is rewarded more instantaneously as opposed to waiting forever for our Nigerian messiah who has been coming since 1960.

wiseworld:
@totorimi pls for the short training base on medical feild,eg Radiogrph and so on can i apply straight from Nigeria?

totorimi:


I am not an authority in education counseling but I think some medical courses they will demand your green card or citizenship status.

Okwute001:
dude, you are talking complete BUNKUM!!!!. Don't tell me you ignored tony elumelu, cosmos maduka, Cletus ibeto. These guys were only given 20 pounds after the civil war. Today, they are billionaires. "Cosmos maduka" in particular left school at age 6. Today he is a CEO. How about Mike Adenuga (CEO globacom). Adenuga is a graduate of Oklahoma state university. If he had remained in America, he would have been somewhere, thinking about how to pay his mortgage. You are only picking on Dangote because that's the easy prey. But lemme ask you. Did Dangote not pay back the loan he took from his family? Did his family build his business for him? If you like, keep making excuses for yourself, that is your own cup of tea.
As regard to taxation, I lived in America for years and I filed taxes with the IRS every year that I lived there. For you, who might be at "God knows where", to tell me that I don't understand taxation is just too hilarious!!!. Look, lemme tell you. You probably don't have your papers wherever you are. And there you are, telling me that I don't understand taxation.
Anyway, If you have decided to stay in another man's land and be a slave, that is your problem. Continue with your business of being a slave because I can tell that it is working really well for you. As for me, I am man enough to take the bull by the horn. I am in my own country, doing my own stuff and living my dream. As for "una" that don't want to come back, we dey here de wait for una!!! agaracha must come back...it's nsogbu1992.