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rhektor:
You believe that the story was formulated yet you accepted some part of it as true based on what dalaman?



Your version now is the authorised version of the event that happened thousands of years ago right? Yet you failed to give me an accurate account of the events that happened to your family line just about hundred years? Now tell me why anyone should take you serious?



Lengedary and mythological yet you foolishly believe part of it? The atheist community will be very proud of you right now




Suddenly you accepted something that nobody could tell you it was written by anybody. An authorless story appeal to you because you can not disprove it all together therefore you feel all you should do is to accept some part and reject some part so as not to be accused whenever you are cornered? Even Darwkin accepted an apologized on live TV. As for you on this faceless forum you arrogance won't even let you accept not to mention apology keep it up dalaman





This is the greatest problem you have ever had, you battle with it day and night as this is the major part of the said formulated story that you are still trying and working hard to reject, how can you then tell me it is not your problem when you droll over every Christian post on nairaland to disprove the same story?

Spot On!
You have also figured him too.

rhektor:
Watch him change the argument, just watch

Lol
It seems many people have mastered the guy.

felixomor:
SHUT up there and receive sense.

Felixmumu the lair. After lying that I said Romans invented the bible you are now telling me to shut up after daring you to provide evidence to support your lies. Lie lie Mr Felixmoron.

Once a blockheaded idiot, always a blockheaded Idiot.

dalaman:
[s]Felixmumu the lair. After lying that I said Romans invented the bible you are now telling me to shut up after daring you to provide evidence to support your lies. Lie lie Mr Felixmoron.

Once a blockheaded idiot, always a blockheaded Idiot[/s].

Just
Look @ everyone confirming your stupidity above.
Chai i am ashamed....
Hian

felixomor:
Just
Look @ everyone confirming your stupidity above.
Chai i am ashamed....
Hian

You just confirmed your status as a liar and you are still yapping nonsense. Where and when did I say that the Romans invented the bible? Show me Mr lie lie Felixmoron.

dalaman:
You just confirmed your status as a liar and you are still yapping nonsense. Where and when did I say that the Romans invented the bible? Show me Mr lie lie Felixmoron.

Dullardeen
First Answer the ones you were asked above.

Stop being a dolt

felixomor:
Dullardeen
First Answer the ones you were asked above.

Stop being a dolt

Lie lie Felixmoron. Move along.

dalaman:
Lie lie Felixmoron. Move along.

Oh so you see that they got your stupidity with their questions.
And u cant answer as usual.....
And u open your mouth "liar liar"
Mscheww
I dey shame for u

felixomor:
Oh so you see that they got your stupidity with their questions.
And u cant answer as usual.....
And u open your mouth "liar liar"
Mscheww
I dey shame for u

Did you lie that I said the Romans invented the bible? Yes you did. Shut up and desist from being a lying Felixmoron.

dalaman:
[s]Did you lie that I said the Romans invented the bible? Yes you did. Shut up and desist from being a lying Felixmoron. [/s]

Go and answer their questions
Ediort.

felixomor:
Go and answer their questions
Ediort.

Shut up and stop telling lies.

dalaman:
Shut up and stop telling lies.

Inside your dull brain
Everyone is always lying on your head.

See how they hav disgraced you above again.

dalaman:
As I said earlier, I believe the stories were formulated after a person that existed by his followed who wanted to continue his movement. I just try to filter through it and accept what is humanly possible and discard what isn't.

Well you already defined the "believe" you keep mentioning to be the below


Believe: hold (something) as an opinion; think.

So this comment of yours is obviously strictly YOUR OPINION!

I just try to filter through it and accept what is humanly possible and discard what isn't. My own account is very humanly possible. The account I reject is simply untrue because it has fictional events and narratives that are just humanly impossible and can never happen in reality. If those stories are true then we will be able to see evidence for them and I stated that Jesus promised those people that believe in him the ability to do greater things than him but those that believe in him can't do any of the fantastic and incredible things written about him because it is simply untrue. It is on this basis that I chose to accept my own version and reject the other version

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thank you for saying that is strictly your own version and funny enough your own version seems to be borrowed from Islam. Could that be the reason why you always use Islam when talking to a Christian? What I see is a person who rejects anything outside his worldview simply because he isn't adaptable. Yet your own worldview is also rejected by others even other atheists as well. I have conversed with spiritual atheists and atheists who believe powers exist so even your fellow atheists would disagree with you on this. So may I ask, since you reject the miraculous which is simply supernatural (spiritual) intervention, what would you say man is? A spiritual being in human form with a soul or a spiritual being or just soil and dirt?

It has nothing to do with my stand as an atheist. Those narratives are simply fictional because they are untrue. They are just legendary and mythological. I try to form my opinion on what is humanly possible and what is not based on the report. The miraculous parts are fictional

Again your comment is strictly your opinion. Again you mentioned it here as your opinion and since they are your opinion why do you always want to pass your personal unverifiable opinion as fact and always attempt to hammer it into others that your opinion HAS TO BE ACCEPTED as the way it happened when they are simply AN OPINION.

Nobody knows who wrote any of the Jesus stories? The stories were written ananonymously, not by people who witnessed the events or people who knew Jesus or ever met him but by people who lived very long after he died. People later(early church fathers ) on had to assign authorship to the books to give them legitimacy and chose the ones people were to accept as the true ones(Gospels) out of the many others that were in circulation. As for the followers what ever that was written about them is just part of the propaganda since it was written by people that wanted to promote the religiousmovement.

Scholars worldwide in large numbers say you are wrong. Historically and based on use of language they have been able to connect the gospels to specific people and have already mentioned. Even the Bible itself in many places always mentioned the writer of specific portions or scriptures. Like the book of John, Mathew, mark, luke, Pauls letters to churches, etc. So if you say the writers are anonymous even while their names are found in scripture and scholars confirm much of this would it not be right to say you are also parading YOUR OPINION around as fact without personal research?

Yes. Completely.



Whether he was crucified or not is not a problem to me. All I believe is that he was executed in one way or the other. I am also willing to accept that he was crucified but how it was portrayed in the stories is what I do not believe

.

Yes whether he was crucified or not is not your problem of course, the only problem you have is that he rose again and did the miraculous! If you are willing to accept he was crucified why then did you first deny the method of his death? Does it matter how it was portrayed when ultimately he was crucified? Whether you believe or not would not change the story would it?

butterflylion:
Well you already defined the "believe" you keep mentioning to be the below


Believe: hold (something) as an opinion; think.

So this comment of yours is obviously strictly YOUR OPINION!

This is simply you creating a boogie man so that you can hammer it and beat it what ever way you want.

thank you for saying that is strictly your own version and funny enough your own version seems to be borrowed from Islam. Could that be the reason why you always use Islam when talking to a Christian? What I see is a person who rejects anything outside his worldview simply because he isn't adaptable. Yet your own worldview is also rejected by others even other atheists as well. I have conversed with spiritual atheists and atheists who believe powers exist so even your fellow atheists would disagree with you on this. So may I ask, since you reject the miraculous which is simply supernatural (spiritual) intervention, what would you say man is? A spiritual being in human form with a soul or a spiritual being or just soil and dirt?

I always use Islam to show what belief systems are. A formulation of human beings.

Saying that powers exist without being able to demonstrate and provide evidence to show that those powers exist is nothing but a waste of time and admittance that you are not stating the truth. I have given you a specific example from the bible that shows that the claims of Jesus are simply not true in reality. According to the Jesus story he promised people that believe in him including YOU the ability to do greater things that he did if only they believe in him. You very much believe in Jesus but you can not do any of the things written about him because the promise is fictional same with all the miraculous events written about it. If it's true you shul be able to do as he promised, the fact that you can't simply shows its not true. You believe in Jesus but you can't do any of the things he saidyou will be able to do because the promise is simply false and fictitious. It's not about making claims of powers, it's about demonstrating them clearly for all to see and believe after all the bible talks about believers having some incredible abilities so that others will see and believe. No such thing exist in reality. If it's true YOU should be able to demonstrate it because you truly believe. It's easy to talk about powers. Go ahead demonstrate them and show that they are real.

Again your comment is strictly your opinion. Again you mentioned it here as your opinion and since they are your opinion why do you always want to pass your personal unverifiable opinion as fact and always attempt to hammer it into others that your opinion HAS TO BE ACCEPTED as the way it happened when they are simply AN OPINION.

Where did I say that my opinion has to be accepted? Stop making things up and running commentary on them. I simply said I am telling you why I reject the stories bad in what you asked me.

[b]Scholars worldwide in large numbers say you are wrong[/b. Historically and based on use of language they have been able to connect the gospels to specific people and have already mentioned. Even the Bible itself in many places always mentioned the writer of specific portions or scriptures. Like the book of John, Mathew, mark, luke, Pauls letters to churches, etc. So if you say the writers are anonymous even while their names are found in scripture and scholars confirm much of this would it not be right to say you are also parading YOUR OPINION around as fact without personal research?

Completely not true. The scholarly work and concensus that showed that Mathew wrote the gospel of Mathew is what? The scholarly concensus is that this books were written anonymously. That is the consensus.

Where in the book of Mathew did the author reveal his identity or state who he was? If you take away the tittle assigned by the early fathers to the book how will you know who the author of the book is? where did the writer specifically state who he was or claim authorship of the book? Same with Mark and Luke. Where did any body claim authorship of those books. Where did Mathew claim he wrote the book of Mathew? Give me the scholarly concensus that's states that the gospel of Mark was not anonymously written.

Yes whether he was crucified or not is not your problem of course, the only problem you have is that he rose again and did the miraculous! If you are willing to accept he was crucified why then did you first deny the method of his death? Does it matter how it was portrayed when ultimately he was crucified? Whether you believe or not would not change the story would it?

Dead people do not raise from the dead only in fictional narratives but not in reality. Even if he was crucified he died and after that his followers decided to invent stories after that to continue his movement. As I said I am iling to accept that he was crucified and he died. Anything after that is pure fiction.

felixomor:
Inside your dull brain
Everyone is always lying on your head.

See how they hav disgraced you above again.

Did you lie that I said the Romans invented the bible? Yes you did , so why are you crying?

dalaman:
[s]Did you lie that I said the Romans invented the bible? Yes you did , so why are you crying[/s]?

Go and answer their question.
You are the. Person crying.
Every body knows u now

dalaman:
This is simply you creating a boogie man so that you can hammer it and beat it what ever way you want.



I always use Islam to show what belief systems are. A formulation of human beings.

Saying that powers exist without being able to demonstrate and provide evidence to show that those powers exist is nothing but a waste of time and admittance that you are not stating the truth. I have given you a specific example from the bible that shows that the claims of Jesus are simply not true in reality. According to the Jesus story he promised people that believe in him including YOU the ability to do greater things that he did if only they believe in him. You very much believe in Jesus but you can not do any of the things written about him because the promise is fictional same with all the miraculous events written about it. If it's true you shul be able to do as he promised, the fact that you can't simply shows its not true. You believe in Jesus but you can't do any of the things he saidyou will be able to do because the promise is simply false and fictitious. It's not aboutmaking claims of powers it's about demonstrating them clearly for all to see and believe after all the bible talks about believers having some incredible abilities so that others will see and believe. No such thing exist in reality. If it's true YOU should be able to demonstrate it because you truly believe.




Where did I say that my opinion has to be accepted? Stop making things up and running commentary on them. I simply said I am telling you why I reject the stories bad in what you asked me.



Completely not true. The scholarly work and concensus that showed that Mathew wrote the gospel of Mathew is what? The scholarly concensus is that this books were written anonymously. That is the consensus.

Where in the book of Mathew did the author reveal his identity or state who he was? If you take away the tittle assigned by the early fathers to the book how will you know who the author of the book is? where did the writer specifically state who he was or claim authorship of the book? Same with Mark and Luke. Where did any body claim authorship of those books. Where did Mathew claim he wrote the book of Mathew? Give me the scholarly concensus that's states that the gospel of Mark was not anonymously written.



Dead people do not raise from the dead only in fictional narratives but not in reality. Even if he was crucified he died and after that his followers decided to invent stories after that to continue his movement. As I said I am iling to accept that he was crucified and he died. Anything after that is pure fiction.

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I never created a boogie man when you already started by laying the foundation in your own words that IT IS YOUR OPINION!

so all the above is still your opinion. That's all there is to it.

dalaman:
Did you lie that I said the Romans invented the bible? Yes you did , so why are you crying?

Also I saw somewhere where you said the Bible was invented by Romans. Dalaman your words are below

dalaman: 8:04pm On Apr 21


Mohammed invented his own type of theism. The founders of christianity also invented their own type of theism, just like the founders of Hinduism invented their own type of theism. Long before them the ancient Egyptians, Grewks and romans also invented their own type of theism. There are different types of theism and all are man made inventions. Just recently someone invented scientology another form of theism. If you know any form of theism that wasn't created by men, go ahead and bring it forward.

You can link that to this

dalaman: 3:42pm On May 22



......
This is exactly why I answered you as I did above undecided

And I gave you the people. They are the ones that wrote down the Yahweh and Jesus stories and those that voted to select the stories that will for the bible. People did all that. Those are the people that invented the Yahweh and Jesus God. Those that wrote down the stories and those that created the theologythat followed the stories. Men did all that. Those are the men that invented the Christian and Jewish God

And to this

dalaman: 3:33pm On May 22


And who said one single person invented the Jewish God? People over time invented the Jewish God idea like every other person. The people that wrote down the stories they imagined and those that chose to cast votes to select which book will be included in the canon that was late called the bible. The Jewish people and the mostly unknown Roman citizens that wrote the new testament and those that voted to select the books that will form the bible created the Jewish God

You can now go ahead and deny your own comments and their meanings contained therein.

butterflylion:
Also I saw somewhere where you said the Bible was invented by Romans. Dalaman your words are below



You can link that to this



And to this


You can now go ahead and deny your own comments and their meanings contained therein.

Hehehehe.
The cat is out of the bag....

LMAO

butterflylion:
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I never created a boogie man when you already started by laying the foundation in your own words that IT IS YOUR OPINION!

so all the above is still your opinion. That's all there is to it.

You are creating a boogie man and beating it what ever way you like.

I also told you that scholars agree that the gospels were written anonymously. The titles were assign much later by others. No body knows who the authors were. The were anonymously written. Take away the assigned tittle you can not show me that Mark wrote the book of Mark by reading the gospel. No where in the book does the author claim that he wrote the book or that he knows Jesus and has ever met him.

Yet to get an answer?

I don't know

Ignorance of the gap argument

vaxx:
Ignorance of the gap argument

Is that the answer? God of the gap alias Argument from ignorance.