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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67:
Partnerbiz3:
f I invest say 1 million in T bills for 365 days at say 18% and I terminate after 60 days, what's likely to be my penalty?


Freeman67

Feelamong
"In the event that you have to liquidate this investment prior to the maturity date indicated above, a penal charge will be applied based on the prevalent rediscount rate."

The statement above is the only thing I have always seen on the proof of investment. I believe it depends on individual banks. The first and only time I ever asked for termination before maturity was when I told them to terminate @ before maturity and they forgot and rolled it over. I lose some money back then because it was sold less than the rate they bought it for me.

You can only get the right info if you contact your bank.


However, the penalty is also dependent on if you have collected your interest upfront or you reinvested it.

If you collected the interest upfront it should be about N180,000, If reinvested with the principal it was to come as N220,000.

Now it is just 60 days out of the initial 364 days you signed as contract meaning you have 304 days left. If your bank decides to sell for you @ the rate you got it(18%) it will be either 180000÷364×60 or 220000÷364×60 which will either give you about 29600 or 36200.


So if you collected your interest upfront what you may likely get back is about 849600 if reinvested you may likely get 1036200.

Hope you don't get confused. This if they succeed in selling and refunding you after the 60 days ooo.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 7:41pm On Sep 07, 2017
dotcomnamename:
Can someone answer the above question?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Gavrelino123: 8:01pm On Sep 07, 2017
adegokekemi:
Though excluding other charges almost #900 in total
mine sum up to about #1,200...
It's a positive change...
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RealityShot: 8:10pm On Sep 07, 2017
Partnerbiz3:
If the penalty is 5%, is it not better to invest I million in 365 days at 18% and terminate after 91 days than to invest same 1 million for 91 at 15 % from the outset.

I feel it's more profitable despite the penalty.
now you know where all those "sweet" secondary mkt deals come from.

Please NOTE: i said ~5% ..thats "approximately"
it could go higher

Zamiriko please wade in here.. wink
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RealityShot: 8:21pm On Sep 07, 2017
Partnerbiz3:
Do you mean something like FBN or Stanbic Mutual MMF?
Any difference between MMF (Money market fund and Mutual fund?
Yes.. Stanbic MMF

MMF=money market fund is a type of mutual fund that invests almost all the available funds in TBills.

Mutual funds are of various types..
equity/stocks funds,
real estate funds,
etc

Just do MMf and you can withdraw your money anytime after 30days..

same 18+ percent interest rates..

no need to be worrying bankers with TBills Terminations
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by feelamong(op): 9:06pm On Sep 07, 2017
Partnerbiz3:
CAN YOU RECONCILE THESE PLEASE?


..
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There is no fixed charge when breaking your treasury bill....

Anybody saying otherwise is not conversant with d workings of treasury bills..
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by justsmile(f): 9:20pm On Sep 07, 2017
RealityShot:
Yes.. Stanbic MMF

MMF=money market fund is a type of mutual fund that invests almost all the available funds in TBills.

Mutual funds are of various types..
equity/stocks funds,
real estate funds,
etc

Just do MMf and you can withdraw your money anytime after 30days..

same 18+ percent interest rates..

no need to be worrying bankers with TBills Terminations
a quick one pls....does diamond bank run mutual funds too or is it just first bank and ibtc?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 9:55pm On Sep 07, 2017
[quote author=justsmile post=60235992]a quick one pls....does diamond bank run mutual funds too or is it just first bank and ibtc? [/quote


Ibtc for your own conveniences
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by DMerciful(m): 11:44pm On Sep 07, 2017
Pls is the fg bond still happening and what is the prevailing rates? Only seeing TB these days
feelamong:
In Treasury Bills ..there is no fixed penalty. The bills are just sold off into the market at the best prevailing rate they can get.

Thats why it could be traded on.....if the prevailing interest rate is favourable you could even get capital appreciation when you decide to break your Tbills early
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by katamo: 2:16am On Sep 08, 2017
freeman67:
"In the event that you have to liquidate this investment prior to the maturity date indicated above, a penal charge will be applied based on the prevalent rediscount rate."

The statement above is the only thing I have always seen on the proof of investment. I believe it depends on individual banks. The first and only time I ever asked for termination before maturity was when I told them to terminate @ before maturity and they forgot and rolled it over. I lose some money back then because it was sold less than the rate they bought it for me.

You can only get the right info if you contact your bank.


However, the penalty is also dependent on if you have collected your interest upfront or you reinvested it.

If you collected the interest upfront it should be about N180,000, If reinvested with the principal it was to come as N220,000.

Now it is just 60 days out of the initial 364 days you signed as contract meaning you have 304 days left. If your bank decides to sell for you @ the rate you got it(18%) it will be either 180000÷364×60 or 220000÷364×60 which will either give you about 29600 or 36200.


So if you collected your interest upfront what you may likely get back is about 849600 if reinvested you may likely get 1036200.

You you don't get confused. This if they succeed in selling and refunding you after the 60 days ooo.
I think that there are two things to consider when making the decision to liquidate.

The first and probably the most important is the prevailing interest rates at the time you wish to liquidate which will determine the rate you are able to sell into the secondary market. T-bill prices (and bond prices overall) move in the opposite direction of interest rates. Think about your initial investment of N1 million...if the interest rate is 18%, assuming you don't reinvest, you are essentially paying 820k to get 1m after one year. If the interest rate was 15%, you would had paid 850k to get 1m after 1 year...so higher price and more expensive for you.

Similarly, if interest rates have gone down when you want to liquidate then your investment is more valuable as you are receiving more cash from the liquidation of your investment. The opposite it true if interest rates have gone up.

The other consideration is the transaction cost of the liquidation or what the bank will charge you for helping you sell you T-bill. This will vary depending on the bank.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by RealityShot:
justsmile:
a quick one pls....does diamond bank run mutual funds too or is it just first bank and ibtc?
No.

Use ibtc..it does not require openingan account at ibtc bank.

you just pay in with pos or atm online from any bank you use already.

FBN fund require you to open an account with them.. Smh..
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Investnow2017: 7:32am On Sep 08, 2017
Partnerbiz3:
he penalty is 5%, is it not better to invest I million in 365 days at 18% and terminate after 91 days than to invest same 1 million for 91 at 15 % from the outset.

I feel it's more profitable despite the penalty.
You got it grin grin grin

.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Partnerbiz3: 7:40am On Sep 08, 2017
Investnow2017:
You got it grin grin grin

.
I feel it will be more than 5% if the penalty is fixed. Or at best it will depend on laws of demand and supply or the prevailing rates at the time you are terminating the TB..


I don't just know...
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by justsmile(f): 8:03am On Sep 08, 2017
RealityShot:
No.
Use ibtc..it does not require openingan account at ibtc bank.
you just pay in with pos or atm online from any bank you use already.
FBN fund require you to open an account with them.. Smh..
thanks a lot
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by justsmile(f): 8:05am On Sep 08, 2017
[quote author=adegokekemi post=60236963][/quote]thank you
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Chudymario: 9:50am On Sep 08, 2017
Pls, what's the minimum principal for investment in Stanbic IBTC Money Market Fund?
RealityShot:
Yes.. Stanbic MMF

MMF=money market fund is a type of mutual fund that invests almost all the available funds in TBills.

Mutual funds are of various types..
equity/stocks funds,
real estate funds,
etc

Just do MMf and you can withdraw your money anytime after 30days..

same 18+ percent interest rates..

no need to be worrying bankers with TBills Terminations
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 9:58am On Sep 08, 2017
Chudymario:
Pls, what's the minimum principal for investment in Stanbic IBTC Money Market Fund?
#5000
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by sellydion:
Sorry, my bank is saying I can only invest in the secondary market since my capital is not up to N50m.

Their advice is I can buy FGN savings bond. How reliable is this info?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by jpphilips(m): 2:04pm On Sep 08, 2017
emmanuelewumi:
First Bank deducts before the bid, the interest will be paid back into your account on Thursday.
I didn't ask
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 2:15pm On Sep 08, 2017
As anybody been able to submit form for next Wednesday September 13, 2017 primary auction?. I just went to my Stanbic branch to fill the form but was told by the TB official that the mail gotten from head office was that they should await head office advise on when to start collecting forms from customers. Is it that the CBN is yet to advise the banks?. Does anybody know if CBN has released the TB calendar for primary auction?.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by sellydion: 2:17pm On Sep 08, 2017
sellydion:
Sorry, my bank is saying I can only invest in the secondary market since my capital is not up to N50m.

Their advice is I can buy FGN savings bond. How reliable is this info?
Pls somebody answer me. Thanks
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Gavrelino123: 2:21pm On Sep 08, 2017
sellydion:
Sorry, my bank is saying I can only invest in the secondary market since my capital is not up to N50m.

Their advice is I can buy FGN savings bond. How reliable is this info?
What a joke...
This is a cheap trick to discourage you from Investing in T.B......Probably they saw that you are a newbie and you dint speak with the person in charge eloquently...
Just go to another branch.....if they ask you is this your 1st time in investing in TB.,tell them no....that you have been investing TB with other banks and they accept anything below 50m and above 100k...
If you stay in Lagos,go to Lagos Island branches..,they are more professional I think it's because most banks head offices is located at the Island...
If it's GTBANK,i would recommend you go to Festac branch or IBAFO branch opposite west-minister...
Hope this helps...!!!
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Gavrelino123: 2:33pm On Sep 08, 2017
NL1960:
As anybody been able to submit form for next Wednesday September 13, 2017 primary auction?. I just went to my Stanbic branch to fill the form but was told by the TB official that the mail gotten from head office was that they should await head office advise on when to start collecting forms from customers. Is it that the CBN is yet to advise the banks?. Does anybody know if CBN has released the TB calendar for primary auction?.
Why don't you try other Branches to verify their claims...
And is monday not the deadline for submission of Forms..?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Chudymario: 3:28pm On Sep 08, 2017
Thank you. Two branches visited in Port Harcourt refused to accept anything below #50,000. Is it possible the minimum principal requirement varies with locations?
adegokekemi:
#5000
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 3:31pm On Sep 08, 2017
Chudymario:
Thank you. Two branches visited in Port Harcourt refused to accept anything below #50,000. Is it possible the minimum principal requirement varies with locations?
Actually I did more than #50k bt my account officer in charge of Mutual fund told me that (Stanbic MMF)
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 3:57pm On Sep 08, 2017
Gavrelino123:
Why don't you try other Branches to verify their claims...
And is monday not the deadline for submission of Forms..?
I will wait till Monday or Tuesday. The lady told me that since iam in Lagos, i can even fill on Wednesday morning. It is just that i like doing it on a Friday. Iam yet to see the CBN new TB time table. You know that the last TB time table ended on August 31.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by jp130(m): 4:23pm On Sep 08, 2017
I submitted my application for 364days. Let me c hw it goes. Na Godwin
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 4:37pm On Sep 08, 2017
jp130:
I submitted my application for 364days. Let me c hw it goes. Na Godwin
Which bank?.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by zamirikpo(m): 4:44pm On Sep 08, 2017
RealityShot:
now you know where all those "sweet" secondary mkt deals come from.

Please NOTE: i said ~5% ..thats "approximately"
it could go higher

Zamiriko please wade in here.. wink
Uve said it all........
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ihedioramma: 6:11pm On Sep 08, 2017
@Freeman67,If i invest one million and reinvest interest (18%)and principal for ten years how much will i get
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ihedioramma: 6:15pm On Sep 08, 2017
Chudymario:
Thank you. Two branches visited in Port Harcourt refused to accept anything below #50,000. Is it possible the minimum principal requirement varies with locations?
If you invest #50,000 what will be your interest at the end ?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by katamo: 10:35pm On Sep 08, 2017
ihedioramma:
@Freeman67,If i invest one million and
reinvest interest (18%)and principal for ten years how much will i get
You will have about 7.27 million after 10 years assuming you can get 18% eacg t8me you reinvest. The calculation is 1m * (1+21.95%)^10. Here the rate of 21.95% represents the true yield.

In reality, interest rates are at historic highs and will not stay like this for 10 years. So making the assumption that you can reinvest for 10 years at 18% is aggressive.
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