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Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 7:36am On Sep 12, 2017
mukhtara446:
OK what i what to know is that is Jesus that some Christians say he is God, is he the one that created everything or not. Are You Christian
good morning Mr muktara , am not a Christian am a Muslim... Jesus is a messenger from Allah (God)... and I have many verses in the bible that back it up...
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by mukhtara446(m): 9:22am On Sep 12, 2017
shadeyinka:
It is either deliberately you shut down your faculties or you didn't read a thing. You obviously don't read the quran neither do you understand a thing there. If you do, let's discuss

You said:

This means, no words of Mohammed nor Jinn nor Angel nor man is in the Quran. All in the Qur'an was spoken by Allah

I showed you in plain English words other than words of Allah and with a wave of hands without answering the question you repeated your recitation instead of point by point showing how I am wrong.

Oya,
Sura1:1-7 who was speaking here?
vs2. Who is the one ascribing praise to Allah? Mohammed, Jubril or one of the Caliphs

vs5. Who is the one worshiping Allah here?

vs6. I believe only a mortal or a jinn need fear the punishment that comes from going astray or what do you think? Is the Almighty Allah afraid of doing wrong to Himself?

vs6. Since God cannot go on a wrong path, who does this aya refer to?

vs7. Who is the THOU in ayat7?
Or the Thee an Thine in vs5

In case you need a jog
in simple English those are the world of God teaching his slaves how to asked him, and clearly you are not one of them that's why he don't give you the job. So Bye
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by shadeyinka(m): 11:34am On Sep 12, 2017
mukhtara446:
in simple English those are the world of God teaching his slaves how to asked him, and clearly you are not one of them that's why he don't give you the job. So Bye
See what repetitive recitation has caused you now
It blocked every logical processing ability.

Use the same rule you use to judge the bible to judge the Quran an see if you wouldn't despise it.

..yes, it is better you bale out before the truth catch you.
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by mukhtara446(m): 1:33pm On Sep 12, 2017
shadeyinka:
See what repetitive recitation has caused you now
It blocked every logical processing ability.

Use the same rule you use to judge the bible to judge the Quran an see if you wouldn't despise it.

..yes, it is better you bale out before the truth catch you.
the truth is that you know nothing about english grammar, but you want to comments about classical Arabic grammar. Qur'an was a verbal revelation that was revealed to some group of people that most of them have no knowledge in anything. But Qur'an teach them everything, how to talk,eat,write,sleep, purify their body, how to asked the right question e.t.c, because if they can understand and change, then their is no group of people that will say Qur'an is hard for them. And the good part is you believed in the after life so was I, So i hope if you meet your creator he will be pleased with. I see no point in what you are saying that's why iam bailing Out. What a possible ability you have to think Jesus is your creator grin angry
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by shadeyinka(m): 1:46pm On Sep 12, 2017
mukhtara446:
the truth is that you know nothing about english grammar, but you want to comments about classical Arabic grammar. Qur'an was a verbal revelation that was revealed to some group of people that most of them have no knowledge in anything. But Qur'an teach them everything, how to talk,eat,write,sleep, purify their body, how to asked the right question e.t.c, because if they can understand and change, then their is no group of people that will say Qur'an is hard for them. And the good part is you believed in the after life so was I, So i hope if you meet your creator he will be pleased with. I see no point in what you are saying that's why iam bailing Out. What a possible ability you have to think Jesus is your creator grin angry
You are just repeating the same thing with no iota of justification. You shouldnt have commented when you know that you cannot defend your posts.

You: "My Fathers farm is the biggest in the whole Nigeria"!
Me: How did you come to that conclusion
You: all I know is that my Fathers farm is the biggest in Africa

Is that an answer?
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(op): 6:51pm On Sep 12, 2017
Ahmed445:
mr ola adegbu gud evening, I love ur write up but will like to prove many things about the truth religion ISLAM ... I will be glad if u can add me up WhatsApp or u give me ur numba... dis is mine 08162684836.. thanks
I will appreciate if you make your contributions on this thread for everyone's perusal. Thanks. smiley
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(op): 6:53pm On Sep 12, 2017
Ahmed445:
gud evening Mr Muktara I love ur courage I Mr Olaadegbu brought up and I love the way Mr ken is supporting him but have challenge them to add me on WhatsApp to relate with them the truth about the truth religion ISLAM but it will be my pleasure if they lkindly take a boldly step... thank you
You should be bold enough to share what you want to teach on this thread except you have something to hide. cool
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(op): 6:58pm On Sep 12, 2017
mukhtara446:
So From what I read above, when Jesus is on earth their is God in the heaven's. And you believed God is One, Then who is Jesus, some Christians used to say Jesus was God too.
That's why you need to understand the mystery of the nature of God as revealed in His World and Word. cool

Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 6:32pm On Sep 13, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
You should be bold enough to share what you want to teach on this thread except you have something to hide. cool
thank you sir, I love that but let start like this there are things I will like us to know on this forum that is contracting verses in the bible, Jesus not the son of God, Jesus is not God, and so on.... and prove from the bible... thank u
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 6:37pm On Sep 13, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
You should be bold enough to share what you want to teach on this thread except you have something to hide. cool
gud evening sir , there is nothing hidden ... since u said we can discuss it here no problem... let's start like this pls can u tell me where Jesus himself said am a Christian in the Bible and what is the real name of
Jesus.... the questions is for anybody on this forum and here for u to welcome all question about islam... thank u all
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 6:42pm On Sep 13, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
I will appreciate if you make your contributions on this thread for everyone's perusal. Thanks. smiley
I will be glad if we can create a forum as in a WhatsApp group share our ideas but not in an abusive way... cos its written in the noble Quran that there is no compulsion in religion.... just an opinion... thanks sir
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(op): 8:05pm On Sep 13, 2017
Ahmed445:
thank you sir, I love that but let start like this there are things I will like us to know on this forum that is contracting verses in the bible, Jesus not the son of God, Jesus is not God, and so on.... and prove from the bible... thank u
You can start by perusing these threads and give us your objections.

https://www.nairaland.com/3466821/how-could-jesus-creator-he

https://www.nairaland.com/3521047/what-does-it-mean-jesus#51960080

https://www.nairaland.com/3728840/jesus-god-then-why-did#55355110

https://www.nairaland.com/3851557/did-jesus-claim-god#57367628
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(op): 8:31pm On Sep 13, 2017
Ahmed445:
gud evening sir , there is nothing hidden ... since u said we can discuss it here no problem... let's start like this pls can u tell me where Jesus himself said am a Christian in the Bible and what is the real name of
Jesus.... the questions is for anybody on this forum and here for u to welcome all question about islam... thank u all
Check this thread out.

https://www.nairaland.com/2010346/jesus-really-god/14
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(op): 8:37pm On Sep 13, 2017
Ahmed445:
I will be glad if we can create a forum as in a WhatsApp group share our ideas but not in an abusive way... cos its written in the noble Quran that there is no compulsion in religion.... just an opinion... thanks sir
Read this story and see why I'm reluctant to oblige to your request. shocked

A man was in his cabin in the middle of a terrible snow storm when he heard a feeble scratching at his door. He opened it to see a half frozen rattle snake on his doorstep begging to be let in from the bitter cold. The man said, "I'm not going to let you in! You're a rattle snake and you're going to bite me!" "No I won't," hissed the snake. "Just bring me in and get me warm and I'll be your friend for life." The man let the snake come in and when the snake was completely comfortable it bit the man on the neck. As he was dying, the man said, "but you promised you wouldn't bite me and would be my friend for life." The snake calmly replied... "but you knew I was a snake when you let me in."
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by plainbibletruth: 10:18am On Sep 14, 2017
Who is Allah’s Lord?

Moslems claim (against all reason) that the quran contains the words of Allah, even if they are being spoken through Gabriel.
Even basic grammar – whether of the English Language or Arabic – is thrown overboard, all because our Moslem apologists just WANT us to accept their refurbished view of the quran or of Islam’s prophet - Mohamed.
Statements such as “Quran being a Divine Revelation is the ABSOLUTE WORD of God to Prophet Muhammad.”
Sometimes they even go the route of accusing the English reader of not understanding the Arabic; as if translation is such a difficult thing that no human being can do it and still reasonably convey the meaning of the original.

So, as we look at Q. 11:90 we can expect Moslem apologists to resort “smart” reinterpretation of a book that says it is simple and plain. Bear in mind that according to Islam, Allah is the only speaker of every word in the quran.

In Q.11:90 Allah tells about his Lord. This portion, Allah speaking, states:
And ask for forgiveness of your Lord and then repent to Him. Indeed, my Lord is Merciful and Affectionate” [Sahih International]
Look at the second sentence of that verse: “Indeed, my Lord is Merciful and Affectionate
”. Since Allah is the ONLY speaker of verses of the quran, who is Allah talking about as “My Lord”?

It is CLEAR then that if we are to go by Islam’s claim on the speaker of all the words of the quran then the speaker (Allah) is referring to SOMEONE ELSE as his Lord. The question then for our Moslem apologists is: “Who is this Allah’s Lord that he (Allah) is referring to here?”

That the quran contains both words of Allah and those of man and angels should be clear to any sensible person.
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by MightySparrow: 9:45pm On Sep 14, 2017
mukhtara446:
Question please. I am Muslim I want to known what Christians believe from a Christian, please is Jesus the creator of heaven's and earth's
Yes.
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by MightySparrow: 9:47pm On Sep 14, 2017
mukhtara446:
Question please. I am Muslim I want to known what Christians believe from a Christian, please is Jesus the creator of heaven's and earth's
........

YES
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 10:34pm On Sep 14, 2017
shadeyinka:
I have answered this before on this thread.


Do you know the Quran at all? You are only following hearsay! Let me give you just one example you've read almost everyday of your life without thinking or asking questions..the Al Fathia (maybe because its in Arabic..you don't understand)



Let me leave vs1 alone since its a common opening for almost all suras of the Quran

vs2. Who is the one ascribing praise to Allah? Mohammed, Jubril or one of the Caliphs

vs5. Who is the one worshiping Allah here?

vs6. I believe only a mortal or a jinn need fear the punishment that comes from going astray or what do you think? Is the Almighty Allah afraid of doing wrong to Himself?

vs6. Since God cannot go on a wrong path, who does this aya refer to?

vs7. Who is the THOU in ayat7?
Or the Thee an Thine in vs5


You think everybody is ignorant of the Quran just because its written in Arabic?

The Quran is only the words of Allah indeed!
Answer the Questions and tell me if the Quran is the pure words of Allah or what you've believed over years without question.


Let me quote another sura that may suggest that.



Please help me interpret the above. Is Allah worshipping something?

Allah will say: Say and then we know that whatever follows is what Muslims should say and not Allah

How about

Since Allah is present everywhere, who is the person speaking here?



Who was given commandment here? The writer of the Quran?


Have I not proven to you that you don't understand many things because it is hidden in Arabic, a language you don't understand!

Will you now affirmatively say that the Quran is the pure words of Allah? He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.

You a
sked a question, but your bias wouldn't allow you to learn
thanks take this for example thank God u under stand Yoruba if Yoruba ba said OLUWA MI at times
it simply refers to when u are using the sentences in arabic the meaning of ALLAH is GOD cos in Arabic country when the angel is delivering the message to the prophet Muhammed (saw) it was in Arabic ALLAH is one meaning God is one... the entire Noble book is a word from ALLAH through the angel to the prophet and it dose not contradict it self like bible... thanks
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by shadeyinka(m):
Ahmed445:
thanks take this for example thank God u under stand Yoruba if Yoruba ba said OLUWA MI at times
it simply refers to when u are using the sentences in arabic the meaning of ALLAH is GOD cos in Arabic country when the angel is delivering the message to the prophet Muhammed (saw) it was in Arabic ALLAH is one meaning God is one... the entire Noble book is a word from ALLAH through the angel to the prophet and it dose not contradict it self like bible... thanks
OLUWA mi in Yoruba cannot mean any other thing apart from "MY LORD"!. Every language including Arabic has pronouns of Me, You, Them, I, etc so as to avoid CONFUSION when referring to people. So, wouldnt the translators of the Quran have done necessary translation into the equivalent English language?.

Why do you use a different rule when reading the Bible in English language from that you use for reading the quran? Do you think this is fair? Is it right?

Is there a language that is untranslatable? If you were the translator of the Quran, if in Arabic "would you not have done necessary cadjustments to convey the same meaning in English language?

Check out this again, since every culture have personal pronouns by which they avoid ambiguities

Quran6:104
104. "Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs (to open your eyes): if any will see, it will be for (the good of) his own soul; if any will be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not (here) to watch over your doings."

Can you please explain what this ayah means?

Quran27:91
91. For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it and to Whom (belong) all things: and I am commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to Allah.s Will,-

Who is the ME? Who was given commandment here? The writer of the Quran?

Let's speak the truth when we see it even when it goes contrary to all we have learnt and made to believe. The impersonator of the Almighty allah sometimes make error of representation in his zeal and excitement.

Is the Quran really the pure words of Allah? No!
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 6:52am On Sep 15, 2017
shadeyinka:
OLUWA mi in Yoruba cannot mean any other thing apart from "MY LORD"!. Every language including Arabic has pronouns of Me, You, Them, I, etc so as to avoid CONFUSION when referring to people. So, wouldnt the translators of the Quran have done necessary translation into the equivalent English language?.

Why do you use a different rule when reading the Bible in English language from that you use for reading the quran? Do you think this is fair? Is it right?

Is there a language that is untranslatable? If you were the translator of the Quran, if in Arabic "would you not have done necessary cadjustments to convey the same meaning in English language?

Check out this again, since every culture have personal pronouns by which they avoid ambiguities

Quran6:104
104. "Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs (to open your eyes): if any will see, it will be for (the good of) his own soul; if any will be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not (here) to watch over your doings."

Can you please explain what this ayah means?

Quran27:91
91. For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it and to Whom (belong) all things: and I am commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to Allah.s Will,-

Who is the ME? Who was given commandment here? The writer of the Quran?

Let's speak the truth when we see it even when it goes contrary to all we have learnt and made to believe. The impersonator of the Almighty allah sometimes make error of representation in his zeal and excitement.

Is the Quran really the pure words of Allah? No!
We Muslims believe in all the revealed Divine Scriptures, but in their original text. Jesus (pbuh) spoke Aramaic. Not English or Greek or Latin or any another language. Let us be very clear on this. So where is the original Bible in Aramaic? It does not exist! God sent to each nation a Prophet as a warner and bearer of good tidings, and some with a Scripture as guidance for their people. Examples: The Torah (Old Testament) to Moses, the Zabur (Psalms) to David, and the Injeel (New Testament-Good News) to Jesus. It is stated many times clearly in the Bible that Jesus (pbuh) himself said to his disciples “don’t go in the way of the Gentiles” meaning do not go to the non-Jews. As part of Allah’s original plan, He finally sent Muhammed (peace be upon him) as the Final and last Prophet with the Final Revelation, the Holy Qur’an as the guidance for all of mankind, irrespective of nationalities and for all times. Of these Scriptures only the Qur’an remains in its original text. so can u now show me in the bible where God said I have sent Bible for guidance for mankind....
I will also like to tell me the real name of Jesus?
thirdly am still insisting that is bible a holy book? thanks...
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Auki: 8:00am On Sep 15, 2017
Don't mind my ignorance.

Pls who created Adam and Mary?
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 11:06am On Sep 15, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
Read this story and see why I'm reluctant to oblige to your request. shocked
good morning Mr olaadegbu, do be angry with wat am asking u. I believe u created the topic and u know about it. I didn't come to dis group to create havoc or criticize. I came to dis group to share my own opinion. u would have come up with the topic that relate to Christianity and not islam because there is no compulsion in religion u will sure meet ur God where u put it.... my question again( should we consider bible a holy book after many verses that contradict it self , second where in the Bible Jesus him self introduce Christianity as a religion? thanks
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 11:07am On Sep 15, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
Read this story and see why I'm reluctant to oblige to your request. shocked
good morning Mr olaadegbu, do be angry with wat am asking u. I believe u created the topic and u know about it. I didn't come to dis group to create havoc or criticize. I came to dis group to share my own opinion. u would have come up with the topic that relate to Christianity and not islam because there is no compulsion in religion u will sure meet ur God where u put it.... my question again( should we consider bible a holy book after many verses that contradict it self , second where in the Bible Jesus him self introduce Christianity as a religion? thanks...
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(op): 11:37am On Sep 15, 2017
Ahmed445:
good morning Mr olaadegbu, do be angry with wat am asking u. I believe u created the topic and u know about it. I didn't come to dis group to create havoc or criticize. I came to dis group to share my own opinion. u would have come up with the topic that relate to Christianity and not islam because there is no compulsion in religion u will sure meet ur God where u put it.... my question again( should we consider bible a holy book after many verses that contradict it self , second where in the Bible Jesus him self introduce Christianity as a religion? thanks...
Good morning Ahmed445, I would like to answer your question but I do not want to derail from the topic at hand. Meet me at the appropriate thread here for me to adequately address your questions.===> https://www.nairaland.com/3718094/how-witness-muslim
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by shadeyinka(m): 5:18pm On Sep 15, 2017
I believe that we have at least established that the Quran does NOT contain ONLY the words the perceived Allah. Now, we can focus on other issues you are raising.
Ahmed445:
We Muslims believe in all the revealed Divine Scriptures, but in their original text. Jesus (pbuh) spoke Aramaic. Not English or Greek or Latin or any another language. Let us be very clear on this. So where is the original Bible in Aramaic? It does not exist!
The frying Pan calling the Kettle Black!
Please answer this question: Where is the original copy of the Qur'an? Does it exist anywhere in the world?

Please, of the revealed devine scriptures, which one have you read?

What language do you think God speaks to men?
Why would God give us so many languages when He intend us to use just one?

I have asked many questions here, please answer them.

Ahmed445:
God sent to each nation a Prophet as a warner and bearer of good tidings, and some with a Scripture as guidance for their people. Examples: The Torah (Old Testament) to Moses, the Zabur (Psalms) to David, and the Injeel (New Testament-Good News) to Jesus. It is stated many times clearly in the Bible that Jesus (pbuh) himself said to his disciples “don’t go in the way of the Gentiles” meaning do not go to the non-Jews. As part of Allah’s original plan, He finally sent Muhammed (peace be upon him) as the Final and last Prophet with the Final Revelation, the Holy Qur’an as the guidance for all of mankind, irrespective of nationalities and for all times.
You Muslims make blanket statements that you believe yet doesn't hold water. May you tell me the names of just two of the prophets sent to the Hausa, Yoruba, IBO, Ibibio, Chinese, English and Japanese.

Is the bolded statement really true?

Mark16:15-16
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (NIV)

John3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Simple English: read in context.

How come in the Qur'an was not written in the order of Gods revelation. Don't you think its like breaking up a textbook into bunch of pages and rearranging it in a random manner? Who gave the permission to people to re-order Gods words?

Ahmed445:
Of these Scriptures only the Qur’an remains in its original text. so can u now show me in the bible where God said I have sent Bible for guidance for mankind....
I will also like to tell me the real name of Jesus?
thirdly am still insisting that is bible a holy book? thanks...
Until you proof where the original texts are, the bold is false.


You display so much ignorance. Bible mean "BOOK". Have you not heard in the Qur'an of the people of the Book?

God did not send down the Torah or Psalms or any other scriptures. God asked men to chronicle His dealings with His people. Since you believe in the revealed Books. Have you read the Taurat, Zabur
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 6:49pm On Sep 15, 2017
Auki:
Don't mind my ignorance.

Pls who created Adam and Mary?
God created every living thing and non living thing both on dis earth and heaven... and God created everything not for anything but to serve Allah (swt).... thanks
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 7:01pm On Sep 15, 2017
shadeyinka:
I believe that we have at least established that the Quran does NOT contain ONLY the words the perceived Allah. Now, we can focus on other issues you are raising.

The frying Pan calling the Kettle Black!
Please answer this question: Where is the original copy of the Qur'an? Does it exist anywhere in the world?

Please, of the revealed devine scriptures, which one have you read?

What language do you think God speaks to men?
Why would God give us so many languages when He intend us to use just one?

I have asked many questions here, please answer them.


You Muslims make blanket statements that you believe yet doesn't hold water. May you tell me the names of just two of the prophets sent to the Hausa, Yoruba, IBO, Ibibio, Chinese, English and Japanese.

Is the bolded statement really true?

Mark16:15-16
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (NIV)

John3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Simple English: read in context.

How come in the Qur'an was not written in the order of Gods revelation. Don't you think its like breaking up a textbook into bunch of pages and rearranging it in a random manner? Who gave the permission to people to re-order Gods words?



Until you proof where the original texts are, the bold is false.


You display so much ignorance. Bible mean "BOOK". Have you not heard in the Qur'an of the people of the Book?

God did not send down the Torah or Psalms or any other scriptures. God asked men to chronicle His dealings with His people. Since you believe in the revealed Books. Have you read the Taurat, Zabur
Auki:
Don't mind my ignorance.

Pls who created Adam and Mary?
shadeyinka:
I believe that we have at least established that the Quran does NOT contain ONLY the words the perceived Allah. Now, we can focus on other issues you are raising.

The frying Pan calling the Kettle Black!
Please answer this question: Where is the original copy of the Qur'an? Does it exist anywhere in the world?

Please, of the revealed devine scriptures, which one have you read?

What language do you think God speaks to men?
Why would God give us so many languages when He intend us to use just one?

I have asked many questions here, please answer them.


You Muslims make blanket statements that you believe yet doesn't hold water. May you tell me the names of just two of the prophets sent to the Hausa, Yoruba, IBO, Ibibio, Chinese, English and Japanese.

Is the bolded statement really true?

Mark16:15-16
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (NIV)

John3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Simple English: read in context.

How come in the Qur'an was not written in the order of Gods revelation. Don't you think its like breaking up a textbook into bunch of pages and rearranging it in a random manner? Who gave the permission to people to re-order Gods words?



Until you proof where the original texts are, the bold is false.


You display so much ignorance. Bible mean "BOOK". Have you not heard in the Qur'an of the people of the Book?

God did not send down the Torah or Psalms or any other scriptures. God asked men to chronicle His dealings with His people. Since you believe in the revealed Books. Have you read the Taurat, Zabur
Auki:
Don't mind my ignorance.

Pls who created Adam and Mary?
This contradicts what is mentioned above in Matthew 15:24 and Matthew 1:21.Very Important: Mark 16:9-20 has been expunged in many Bibles . The New American Standard Bible put this part in brackets and wrote the following commentary: “Some of the oldest manuscripts omit Matthew verses 9 through 20.” The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures used by the Jehovah’s Witnesses, admits that certain ancient manuscripts add a long conclusion or a short conclusion after Mark 16:8 but some omit it entirely. The Revised Standard version prints the following footnote: “Some of the most ancient authorities bring the book to a close at the end of verse 8:” This means also that the resurrection is not true as this is described in Mark 16:9. C . But Jesus said in Matthew 28:19: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations.” M. “All nations” must be explained as “all the twelve tribes of Israel;” otherwise it contradicts Matthew 15:24 and Matthew 1:21. In the New American Standard Bible and the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures it is not translated as “all nations” of the world, but as “all the nations,” which means “the twelve tribes of Israel.” What do you think of the Bible’s authenticity now?
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 7:28pm On Sep 15, 2017
shadeyinka:
I believe that we have at least established that the Quran does NOT contain ONLY the words the perceived Allah. Now, we can focus on other issues you are raising.

The frying Pan calling the Kettle Black!
Please answer this question: Where is the original copy of the Qur'an? Does it exist anywhere in the world?

Please, of the revealed devine scriptures, which one have you read?

What language do you think God speaks to men?
Why would God give us so many languages when He intend us to use just one?

I have asked many questions here, please answer them.


You Muslims make blanket statements that you believe yet doesn't hold water. May you tell me the names of just two of the prophets sent to the Hausa, Yoruba, IBO, Ibibio, Chinese, English and Japanese.

Is the bolded statement really true?

Mark16:15-16
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (NIV)

John3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Simple English: read in context.

How come in the Qur'an was not written in the order of Gods revelation. Don't you think its like breaking up a textbook into bunch of pages and rearranging it in a random manner? Who gave the permission to people to re-order Gods words?



Until you proof where the original texts are, the bold is false.


You display so much ignorance. Bible mean "BOOK". Have you not heard in the Qur'an of the people of the Book?

God did not send down the Torah or Psalms o
r any other scriptures. God asked men to chronicle His dealings with His people. Since you believe in the revealed Books. Have you read the Taurat, Zabur
in the Noble Quran which was reveal tru Angel Gabriel to prophet Muhammad (saw) God said to him that he him Almighty Allah that send down the three books to David ,moses,Jesus and him that send down the Quran to him as the final revelation to mankind... the Quran was written down in a place because that time there is no book when the message is reveal to him he will tell his followers and since then not a single word has been change... that is that.... Noble book was revealed in Arabic cos in Muhammad was originated from Arabic country and that's is the dialect... thank and mind u we have many begotten son in the Bible not only Jesus ask me for prove and I will tell u
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Olabenjamen22(m): 7:55pm On Sep 15, 2017
mukhtara446:
then who is his father that he used to mentioned
Did you believe Jesus is the son of God?, if not why are you asking who is his father
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Olabenjamen22(m): 8:09pm On Sep 15, 2017
mukhtara446:
The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; that explained everything to you. Jesus is their on a mission if you want to go to the father you must followed Jesus, God has authority over everything.
And authority have been given to him, or why don't you read the verse downward.
22 The Father doesn’t judge anyone, but he has made his Son the judge of everyone.
23 The Father wants all people to honor the Son as much as they honor him. When anyone refuses to honor the Son, that is the same as refusing to honor the Father who sent him. I guess you notice that verse 23,
that is the concept of Christianity. peace
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Olabenjamen22(m): 8:23pm On Sep 15, 2017
mukhtara446:
its not about that. I for one iam not a scholar about Qur'an I am learning which take process but I will look what you said up then i will try to reply based on what I understand. Qur'an was revealed in a span of 23 years and in my account the messenger did not know how to read or write, what he heard he speak. I just commented about the fathia cause I study the surah and its grammar. And the reasen why i said the bible has some people word on it is that some people like Paul, he is not with jesus, when jesus is around.
lol can you tell me those that wrote the quran? And did they hear from Allah? Common when are you people going to use your brain.
Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 6:56am On Sep 16, 2017
Olabenjamen22:
And authority have been given to him, or why don't you read the verse downward.
22 The Father doesn’t judge anyone, but he has made his Son the judge of everyone.
23 The Father wants all people to honor the Son as much as they honor him. When anyone refuses to honor the Son, that is the same as refusing to honor the Father who sent him. I guess you notice that verse 23,
that is the concept of Christianity. peace
Jesus Christ is not the only son of god in the bible we have many son of god even many begotten son... read ur bible very well... u will found it,.. and if u can find it I will show u as many verses where u will see it...
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