Mujtahida:

So everyone who leaves Christianity was never a Christian? How simplistic can your thinking be. You don't even know that what you are practicing today is more of churchianity than Christianity as practiced in the early church.

First off, I believe in God as I wrote in my first post. But do I believe in Yahweh? No. Do I believe in Jesus? Not anymore. Jesus if ever he did exist and died, died for his own sins and the sins of Yahweh but not for me. Forgiveness doesn't require bloodshed. Human beings forgive even the most unspeakably egregious acts without shedding blood.
Obviously the merciful Biblical God didn't learn a thing or two from us his supposedly depraved creation hence he had to slake his vengefulness with the blood of his son. Jesus died to save the old testament petty minded, hateful and murderous, gentile killing God of Israel (actually Yahweh is an idol - Google Yahweh and read his entry on Wikipedia) from his worst characters hence his conversion
into a god of love in the new testament.

If I lied then every person whose experience is written in scripture is a lie, ain't so? And You too lie when you say God speaks to you(since you regard my saying I found scriptures cold a lie so ditto I regard you saying God spoke to you a lie-how's that? )
At a certain point I found scriptures cold. No lies. Why is that point hard for you to swallow when I know that a great number of genuinely born again Christians experience that sort of devotional dryness sometimes briefly, sometimes for long periods.

If God spoke to Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Ezra etc then I cannot live my life based on those words unless God speaks to me too. Show me in scriptures, the scriptures that Abraham or Moses read to hear God speak. And I say that the God who speaks in the Bible is not God - those are the words of men!!! And even if it were God, I say to him, No I will not believe your word to Isaac, to Isaiah, to Micah or even to Adeboye, Oyedepo or Iginla. Give me my own word. When I breath through the nose God gave me I breathe by myself, when I walk, I walk with the legs God gave me, when I look, I look through the eyes he gave. So why then do I need to filter my own spiritual relationship to him through the words he spoke to David, to some nomadic Jew some thousands of years ago. Do you know what fatherhood means? Do you know the implication of the word becoming flesh amongst us? Did Jesus not speak directly to his disciples? Why has he gone mute? Is he not the same yesterday, today and forever? Is he not called the living word? He must speak ooo, he must speak directly to me if we gon have a relationship. I rather go to hell than relate with my God through a proxy. The Bible God who cannot speak to me deserves no obedience from me. I believe in no Bible God, he doesn't need me as you have repeatedly hammered and guess what? I don't freaking need him because he doesn't exist. I carry my God inside my heart. I look up, I see his symbol, his sun shining on me, warming my soul and blessing me with its life giving rays, his rain refreshing and renewing the earth.

There's no implication of Eternal death or life. What is, is -whether death or life. All such Biblical frameworks are bunkum to me. Trust me if there's Eternal life I have it already. If I don't have it, you don't have it. If you have it, I have it even more. It doesn't depend on no Jesus. Humanity extends farther than Christ, a vast, countless horde of men have thronged this old earth before your Christ ever uttered a word.

I have no desire to live in definitely . That's a Christian ideal that doesn't resonate with me. I am perfectly satisfied with experiencing this one. I I have no fear whatsoever regarding my choices. All the scriptures on eternal life or death cannot change my mind. When I was a Christian, heaven was not really an inducement to me. What I wanted most was a fruitful spiritual relationship with God. I discovered like you said that the christian god doesn't need me and I walked away. My life is less cluttered now. I belong to the God of the universe. When my time is up I will go back to the unknown place from whence I came.

This makes a lot of sense

hopefulLandlord:


This makes a lot of sense

repent or you burn.

Mujtahida, Adepeter2027; I beg of you, continue your discussion on another thread

I've seen posts like "Your sister is a prostitute" and other nonsense and I have good experience to know that its a trick to get this thread deleted

have arguments with her elsewhere cuz it'll hurt me if this thread is deleted

Omoluabi16:
repent or you burn.

Now this had me braying laughter all over the place

Mujtahida:

So everyone who leaves Christianity was never a Christian? How simplistic can your thinking be. You don't even know that what you are practicing today is more of churchianity than Christianity as practiced in the early church.

First off, I believe in God as I wrote in my first post. But do I believe in Yahweh? No. Do I believe in Jesus? Not anymore. Jesus if ever he did exist and died, died for his own sins and the sins of Yahweh but not for me. Forgiveness doesn't require bloodshed. Human beings forgive even the most unspeakably egregious acts without shedding blood.
Obviously the merciful Biblical God didn't learn a thing or two from us his supposedly depraved creation hence he had to slake his vengefulness with the blood of his son. Jesus died to save the old testament petty minded, hateful and murderous, gentile killing God of Israel (actually Yahweh is an idol - Google Yahweh and read his entry on Wikipedia) from his worst characters hence his conversion
into a god of love in the new testament.

If I lied then every person whose experience is written in scripture is a lie, ain't so? And You too lie when you say God speaks to you(since you regard my saying I found scriptures cold a lie so ditto I regard you saying God spoke to you a lie-how's that? )
At a certain point I found scriptures cold. No lies. Why is that point hard for you to swallow when I know .

repent or you burn.

Omoluabi16:
repent or you burn.

I'm one of the atheists who is not bothered by being told I'm going to hell... to me it seems so silly-- like someone telling me Santa won't bring me presents. I'm embarrassed for adults who believe in such things. I always wonder if they believe because they are afraid that they might go to hell if they didn't. I also wonder if the threat of hell they use on others was one of the manipulations that their indoctrinators used to get THEM to believe. (It must take a lot of mental work to convince oneself that a god who has his "beloved creations" infinitely tortured for not believing the right magic story is a GOOD god.)

There's a kind of ugliness to it as well. It's usually used by people who can't answer the questions you've asked them, and it's said in a spirit of vengence- 'you may have defeated me with arguement, but my God's going to burn you alive forever, hah-hah!' . I don't respect people who argue like that.

hopefulLandlord:
Mujtahida, Adepeter2027; I beg of you, continue your discussion on another thread

I've seen posts like "Your sister is a prostitute" and other nonsense and I have good experience to know that its a trick to get this thread deleted

have arguments elsewhere cuz it'll hurt me if this thread is deleted

Some people, like the adapeter guy do not have anything worthwhile to contribute on ANY thread except insults.

Ishilove:

Now this had me braying laughter all over the place

looooooool. what simpler way to say it? these atheists dey vex me.

701ecilana:

Sorry i didn't read.

Sorry for yourself. You don't need to. Others will and it will possibly lead many away from the fraud called Yahweh.

Omoluabi16:
looooooool. what simpler way to say it? these atheists dey vex me.

I am past being vexed by them. I simply use their ignorant arguments and postulations to amuse myself. Comic relief

Ishilove:

Some people, like the adapeter guy do not have anything worthwhile to contribute on ANY thread except insults.

She can always ignore anyone she feels she doesn't want to talk to, its not by force to reply everyone but I guess individual differences does come into play

Double post

hopefulLandlord:
I beg of you, continue your discussion on another thread

I've seen posts like "Your sister is a prostitute" and other nonsense and I have good experience to know that its a trick to get this thread deleted

have arguments with her elsewhere cuz it'll hurt me if this thread is deleted

Be itching to say the same since this morning just decided to let it slide and hope those involved will be mature enough to take their fight elsewhere, apparently I have been wrong.

hopefulLandlord:


She can always ignore anyone she feels she doesn't want to talk to, its not by force to reply everyone but I guess individual differences does come into play

Don't blame anyone if they react because there is a limit to the rubbish one can take. These folks thrive on cyberbullying and for some, ignoring them simply feeds their hunger for trolling.

Ishilove:

I am past being vexed by them. I simply use their ignorant arguments and postulations to amuse myself. Comic relief

real comic relief. Anytime I post the 'repent or you burn line' I try to vocalize it like smaug the dragon e dey funny me too.

Are they worse than apostle Paul? No. they will still come back to God.

Omoluabi16:
repent or you burn.

I have repented from Christianity and the falsehood of Yahweh. I am burning already. So what next you got?
Ever read Jonathan Edwards' 'Sinners in the hands of an angry God?

Elparaiso:


You came to this thread, so I feel I can ask you this question.

Can you, with supporting and conclusive evidence, tell me how being a Christian has made your life better than every other person?


Don't tell me "peace of mind " o, many atheists have peace of mind. I want something that only Christians get. Also, don't mention eternal life, without providing photos and videos of people laughing or wallowing. I will be waiting. Thanks.

Thanks for asking. I have the new Nature Christ came to give. If i die today, i'm certain of eternity with him. That is what no unbeliever can get.

My sins are forgiven, i have assurance of faith in Christ.

I have hope, fear no longer rules me.

The future is sure for me. I am no longer afriad of death. And, i'm not afraid of what satan can do to me now.

Omoluabi16:
real comic relief. Anytime I post the 'repent or you burn line' I try to vocalize it like smaug the dragon e dey funny me too.

Are they worse than apostle Paul? No. they will still come back to God.

Lmao! You're a clown

They are the kind of people that God uses to wreak signs and wonders on a disbelieving world. I am praying God will open their eyes to see the truth

hopefulLandlord:
I'm one of the atheists who is not bothered by being told I'm going to hell... to me it seems so silly-- like someone telling me Santa won't bring me presents. I'm embarrassed for adults who believe in such things. I always wonder if they believe because they are afraid that they might go to hell if they didn't. I also wonder if the threat of hell they use on others was one of the manipulations that their indoctrinators used to get THEM to believe. (It must take a lot of mental work to convince oneself that a god who has his "beloved creations" infinitely tortured for not believing the right magic story is a GOOD god.)

There's a kind of ugliness to it as well. It's usually used by people who can't answer the questions you've asked them, and it's said in a spirit of vengence- 'you may have defeated me with arguement, but my God's going to burn you alive forever, hah-hah!' . I don't respect people who argue like that.

I see y'all exerting so much energy all in a bid to convince yourself there is no God. you do not deny his existence, you're only so concerned that there might actually be a God. Deep down you know there is. one sad thing is trying to use human logic to comprehend God. you have put yourself so high in a pedestal you believe every incomprehensible thing is void. God wants the meek. you can never understand the ways of God. Be foolish like a child so God can teach you and show himself. just empty yourself. your so called wisdom and logic is vain. You're just there..you haven't killed any christian. Your anti christ stance isn't 1/10 of what Paul was. So God can still save you.

I won't be surprised an unpleasant event pushed you away from God. please read ROMANS 8:35~

[quote author=Ishilove post=60822455]
Lmao! You're a clown

They are the kind of people that God uses to wreak signs and wonders on a disbelieving world. I am praying God will open their eyes to see the truth[ T
/quote] lol ishilove amen oh. hope so too.

Mujtahida:

I have repented from Christianity and the falsehood of Yahweh. I am burning already. So what next you got?
Ever read Jonathan Edwards' 'Sinners in the hands of an angry God?

Whoever told jonathan edward that my God was angry Book is null and void.

hopefulLandlord:
Mujtahida, Adepeter2027; I beg of you, continue your discussion on another thread

I've seen posts like "Your sister is a prostitute" and other nonsense and I have good experience to know that its a trick to get this thread deleted

have arguments with her elsewhere cuz it'll hurt me if this thread is deleted

You ought to trust me for something; I won't descend so low to the level of throwing profane words back at her.

Ishilove:

Some people, like the adapeter guy do not have anything worthwhile to contribute on ANY thread except insults.

I'm trying everything possible not to quote you.

Pls, try to be honest next time.

Thanks

Omoluabi16:
Whoever told jonathan edward that my God was angry Book is null and void.

Hahahaha hahahaha. You see that most of you guys are ignorant of the history of your faith. Jonathan Edwards delivered that fiery sermon (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit I guess) to spark of one of the greatest revival movements in America called the Great Awakening in the 18th century and even up till now in certain Christian fundamentalist circles that sermon is regarded as a classic. But obviously with the benefit of hindsight we can now see(as is evident from what you just said) that that sermon was a product of the severity and intolerance of the times. Today's Christianity(the product of a more tolerant, less religiously sever society) has moved away from the emphasis on an angry God. Heck, they don't even preach about heaven or hell or rapture anymore like when I was growing up watching the movie Burning Hell. It's all prosperity now and all sort of materialistic desires. You guys forgetting heaven slowly it seems.
So the bottom line is that it man who keeps refining his ideas of God based on the dominant socio-cultural trends.
Do you know that at one time in Christianity poverty was an ideal? Today wealth is.
So this una Holy Spirit keeps giving you guys hints to modify your religion as culture changes.
@all download pagan Christianity by Frank viola and George Barna and you'd see how you guys got a lot of your traditions which you regard as Biblical. Nb The writers are excellent Christians so don't think it was written by guys trying to disparage Christianity.

Mujtahida:

Hahahaha hahahaha. You see that most of you guys are ignorant of the history of your faith. Jonathan Edwards delivered that fiery sermon (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit I guess) to spark of one of the greatest revival movements in America called the Great Awakening and even up till now in certain Christian fundamentalist circles that sermon is regarded as a classic. But obviously with the benefit of hindsight we can now see(as is evident from what you just said) that that sermon was a product of the severity and intolerance of the times. Today's Christianity(the product of a more tolerant, less religiously sever society) has moved away from the emphasis on an angry God. So the bottom line is that it man who keeps refining his ideas of God based on the dominant socio-cultural trends.
Do you know that at one time in Christianity poverty was an ideal? Today wealth is.
So this una Holy Spirit keeps giving you guys hints to modify your religion as culture changes.
@all download pagan Christianity by Frank viola and George Barna and you'd see how you guys got a lot of your traditions which you regard as Biblical. Nb The writers are excellent Christians so don't think it was written by guys trying to disparage Christianity.

ishilove see why? they will spin whatever you say, misinterprete you and bring epistles of rubbish.

Omoluabi16:
ishilove see why? they will spin whatever you say, misinterprete you and bring epistles of rubbish.

My dear, I don't read the stuff they write most of the time. The Word says we should guard our heart and eyes diligently.

Ishilove:

Don't blame anyone if they react because there is a limit to the rubbish one can take. These folks thrive on cyberbullying and for some, ignoring them simply feeds their hunger for trolling.

how does calling his sister a prostitute and other dirty invectives help the situation?

hopefulLandlord:


how does calling his sister a prostitute and other dirty invectives help the situation?

She's giving as good as she is getting. He has once used that slur on me, so it is quite a relish seeing it used on him.

Omoluabi16:
I see y'all exerting so much energy all in a bid to convince yourself there is no God. you do not deny his existence, you're only so concerned that there might actually be a God. Deep down you know there is. one sad thing is trying to use human logic to comprehend God. you have put yourself so high in a pedestal you believe every incomprehensible thing is void. God wants the meek. you can never understand the ways of God. Be foolish like a child so God can teach you and show himself. just empty yourself. your so called wisdom and logic is vain. You're just there..you haven't killed any christian. Your anti christ stance isn't 1/10 of what Paul was. So God can still save you.

I won't be surprised an unpleasant event pushed you away from God. please read ROMANS 8:35~

never knew you're a mind reader

Mujtahida:

Sorry for yourself. You don't need to. Others will and it will possibly lead many away from the fraud called Yahweh.

I don't want to add to your bitterness.

If ever I were to worship a god I'd worship the Sun like the ancients from Egypt to India to Europe and the antipodes did. The Sun is the prime metaphor of who God is-faithful, benevolent, non judgmental, gracious to all without distinction. It doesn't say it will not shine because John killed Peter, it has no church, it receives no tithes. It needs no pastors and witnesses for we are all witnesses to its power and effect. No wonder even Jesus said... that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his SUN to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
But we all know that the old testament god (father of Jesus) is the most wickedest, racist god in history.

That god (actually a idol among several idols of the Isrealites) is an impostor, a god trying to usurp the true God who is silent like the sun.

Their idols are silver and gold, The work of man's hands. 5 They have mouths, but they cannot speak; They have eyes, but they cannot see; 6 They have ears, but they cannot hear; They have noses, but they cannot smell; psalms 115:5
If we judge the Bible God by this verse you will discover that he himself is an idol. He has mouth, does he speak? No. Pastors, Prophets, Teachers, Priests are his mouthpiece like Dibia or a Babalawo is the mouthpiece of Amadioha or Sango. If he is God let him speak by himself

Matthew 5:44
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Judge Yahweh by this verse you will see how abysmally he fails to make the mark. Who promulgated an eye for an eye? Who directed Moses to kill gentiles just so the children of Israel can steal their lands and dispossess them? How about hell? Read this poignant words of the great Agnostic Robert Ingersoll: **They say that when god was in Jerusalem he forgave his murderers, but now he will not forgive an honest man for differing with him on the subject of the Trinity. They say that God says to me, "Forgive your enemies." I say, "I do;" but he says, "I will damn mine." God should be consistent. If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his. I am asked to forgive enemies who can hurt me. God is only asked to forgive enemies who cannot hurt him. He certainly ought to be as generous as he asks us to be.

Matthew 18:21-22 New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

Judge Yahweh by this passage and he gets an f9. Jesus meant by his reply to show that the limits of forgiveness are limitless. But Yahweh is an irascible, easily provoked God who killed
Uzzah for touching his ark. All through the old testament we find him smoking in anger, rage and vengeance. In fact people don't know that one word that appears frequently in the old testament is the word 'destroy' for Yahweh was always destroying and threatening to destroy. Let me end with the words of Thomas Paine **The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator's name by attaching it to this filthy book