back2sender:

Each flat we have separate change over switch. No sepetat distribution box ( hope this is what i have been asking for? So far without me knowing ).

They can't use same db and seperate change over and still have seperate meter not possible

Hello Nairalanders,

After so much consideration I've decided to do the German flooring for my bungalow.

I'll like to know the cost of the German flooring including all materials, equipment and labour.

The site is in Atan-Ota area of Ogun State.

Thanks in advance

EgunMogaji:


Sometimes I think it's too late for Nigeria and we should just do a reset. Things are upside down, too far gone I think.

Here's Bill Gates answer to a question about technology:

BG: In the Gates Foundation’s work, you really want to track what’s going on to stop corruption. Say there’s a grant to Nigeria for health stuff—if it’s digital money, they can track that it was paid to a certain person and when it was paid out. Then you can audit later and say, “Did that really happen?” You don’t want to tell donors that three percent went astray. Now that there’s digital traceability in a place like Nigeria, where corruption is a huge problem, we can bring that down. A lot of the optimism we have at the foundation about disease, education and financial services is because we’re sitting on top of a digital miracle. That’s why staying engaged with Microsoft isn’t just fun for me personally; it’s also creating synergy. I see where digital tools work and don’t work in my foundation role, and then I come over here and ask, “How come we’re not making this better?” or “What comes next?”

If they can skim from healthcare grants why won't they skimp from a poor sap trying to build a shelter for his family.

Chai, nawao, anything called corruption is often associated with the jungle called Nigeria, when did we get to this stage of our national life, what can clean this huge stain of dirt from Nigeria?. I have attended conferences, in-house office trainings, seminars and meetings both in Nigeria and my location -abroad, sometimes before/during coffee breaks or after the meetings, when my fellow participants engage me in private conversations, immediately l identify my country of origin, they look at me somehow and change the discussion, some of them will open their emails and show me scam mails from Nigerian yahoo boys, I sometimes find it hard to either defend the honest Nigerians who toil daily back home to earn their living or just keep quiet and allow them to talk and talk, the name Nigeria is first associated with fraud, scams, corruption etc regardless of the Western passport we carry, very unfortunate

spyder880:




I also commend him for that approach in cost determination and want to say that I used a lot of those methods in years past. He is using the method we call "daily pay/counting" method to do the calculations, I also used the space measurement approach , it's either I calculate in "partitions" or in "square metres" . Now I estimate plastering in "whole" contracting. Let me explain.

Daily pay method.

This is the method of plastering where the owner or supervisor gives out the job of plastering to artisans by paying them daily, with a predetermined amount of money. The person serving the plastering guy will also be paid daily. This is the oldest method I met in the field. The older artisans were doing great works with it, until lazy people made that method inefficient. People started coming to work late, with boxes of snuff, and will take a snuff break after about every 30 minutes just to delay the work. Ditto for smoking break, breakfast and lunch breaks, even long phone call breaks. We had to change the system, if not, these men can keep working on a house for one year!

The partition/square meter counting methods.

We had to quickly change to the counting method and it solved a lot of delays in the previous method, but could be disastrous if not well monitored. You give out the work by counting partitions (every 12 feet) and agreeing a rate for the plastering. The artisan could pay his server and up the rates or you agree a rate with the helpers too. The artisans will usually go for the easy places first. The places they can do while standing on the ground. They will change the tone as soon as those soft areas finish, they will start singing another song, you have to renegotiate for the part on scaffolding, the bottom of the decking, corners and edges, parapets, dressings and designs. This could be tricky, and many artisans abandon the project at this difficult stage. We had to do something again.

The whole house contract

This method will mean you do your own due calculations, determine the number of walls, inside and outside, points to note are the tricky areas, style of designs and the expected challenges. Then you find an artisan and negotiate cost of plastering. A whole sum will be agreed to and you pay them according to what they have done. You can then easily supervise their quality and speed of work.

Let me add here that the quality of work done in Nigeria is always shambolic, not only in the plastering or building sector, a Nigerian administrator is usually a perpetual under performer, a Nigerian medical doctor will give you a terrible service if you are not a good paying client, a Nigerian motor mechanic will damage your fine car and still demand you pay him, and it goes on and on. I think it's the system, the system that makes it easy for people to manipulate the system. Our duty should be to identify those workers who have shown an interest for quality works, to retain them and pay them better as an incentive to future quality works, we also need to retrain workers and show them the latest methods of doing things better.

l concur with this submission @spyder880

Price is not hidden. Most Engineers/Architects/Professionals in the industry know that and they make good money only when they are in charge of procuring materials for usage on their sites.
The remaining is left to you to bargain based on what you feel should be the proper wage due the service to be rendered.


Based in my region
Mason for block work
#45-#50/block---------- 6" hollow block
#50-#60/block-----------9"

Tiler
#350-#400---------sqm

Plastering
#2000-#2500-------------per partition(inclusive of labour/helper)

Iron work/Carpenter-------#4000/day(you have to know what he needs to accomplish regarding a days' job)

Electrician/Technician-----------#4000/day

Trench Excavation-----#200-#300/m [2ft/3ft depth]

Painter---------#4000/day

Manual batching-----------#500/bag.

All unskilled labour----------#1500-#2000/day


I guess I did not miss anything important above.

The real thing, the real work, the real deal.

What should be a fair pay based on per day jobs if that will be at play regarding supervision fees and also a fair rate based on them putting up designs of whatever nature.

Engineer/Architect--------Certified/Registered with 10-25yrs practice in the field.

Engineer/Architect--------Certified/Registered with 5-10yrs.

Engineer/Architect---------full with experience and expert knowledge

Engineer/Architect---------Graduate/Post NYSC.

Draughtsman--------------Registered/Certified
Draughtsman--------------Post College/ Experience


Given all that if I would even get a reply

How much would any one consider a fair price on per day payment in his/her own individual professional career?

alstacs:

Lord Spyder880, while the figure may be very far from the reality, I love his approach. It dove me closer to the objective way of deriving cost. Please help suggest ways of improving on his technique.
I once had a neighbor who negotiated plastering based on walls per Sq m. He had different values for outside walls of upper floors where they had to climb scaffold, he also had different unit cost for dressing of parapet etc...

But seriously, I'm impressed by his approach, though the figures are quite low

Plastering of walls, I price it per SQM

For a SQM we use

0.25bags of cement

Sand 50 - 75kg

LABOUR

Lets say the plaster guy + labourer takes N5000/day .
A day = 8hours working time

therefore
N5000/8hours = N625/hr

It should take the plaster guy + labourer
10min/sqm mix,set and plaster depending on how fast they are.

Since 1hour = 60minute

N625/60minutes = N10.41kobo/min

Then since 10min = 1sqm

1sqm = 10min x N10.41
= N104.1 ~ N105/sqm.


Labour = N105/sqm (Although some people can charge N150/sqm)
..

erico2k2:
The Dry Season is getting near again, baba God enhance our pocket to do BIG things!

Walahi, this rainy season "showed me pepper" ... which kain rain be this?

GoodFaith:


One room you need two bricklayers and one server for the walls
Just inside the building
so for 5 bedroom you need total of 10 bricklayers and 5 servers
Living and dinning room four bricklayers and two servers
You have the hallway and kitchen let us put four bricklayers and two servers
Total bricklayer is now 18 and servers 9 servers
If Bricklayer is N3000 a day
Servers is N2000 a day
Total for bricklayers N54,000
total for Server is N18,000
Total to plastering five bedrooms and one living and dinning is N72,000

I like the idea inherent in this calculation. But its not total since you stated clearly that this is for "inside the building" only. One need to consider the exterior now to get a total for your average duplex, I guess.

spyder880:





Are you saying that the cost of plastering a 5 bedroom duplex is N72,000?

Wow!

No
Not N72k
Likely about N150k or less
You might be charge just for plastering parapet- not daily labor
the downstairs ceiling/decking
Outside walls plastering

whalleh:
Hello Nairalanders,

After so much consideration I've decided to do the German flooring for my bungalow.

I'll like to know the cost of the German flooring including all materials, equipment and labour.

The site is in Atan-Ota area of Ogun State.

Thanks in advance

Congratulations on an astute decision.

Frankly, German floor should be standard requirement.

The only decision should be use plastics and/or wire mesh or not.

Good luck.

raymondFirstborn:

Plastering of walls, I price it per SQM

For a SQM we use

0.25bags of cement

Sand 50 - 75kg

LABOUR

Lets say the plaster guy + labourer takes N5000/day .
A day = 8hours working time

therefore
N5000/8hours = N625/hr

It should take the plaster guy + labourer
10min/sqm mix,set and plaster depending on how fast they are.

Since 1hour = 60minute

N625/60minutes = N10.41kobo/min

Then since 10min = 1sqm

1sqm = 10min x N10.41
= N104.1 ~ N105/sqm.


Labour = N105/sqm (Although some people can charge N150/sqm)
..

"Plastering of walls, I price it per SQM"
Your SOM have to add up to two bricklayer and a server if am buying material
A contractor told my friend to set a block in Lagos was N50 for one block
I told my friend it was a good price why
In Benin a bricklayer and one server set 100 block a day, some might do 105 blocks a day
so to set 100 block in Lagos per the contractor will be N5000 for 100 block
In Benin a bricklayer is N3000 daily and a server is N2000 daily

GoodFaith:

No
Not N72k
Likely about N150k or less
You might be charge just for plastering parapet- not daily labor
the downstairs ceiling/decking
Outside walls plastering

Nice input my brother, am enjoying this calculation my brother. Now, this is a typical small sized 5 bedroom duplex belonging to me. Are you saying I can use N150,000 to do the plastering? Please explain with expected number of walls or square metres, or how best do you calculate parapet and other tricky areas in plastering? Of course I can learn a thing or two from you.

GoodFaith:

"Plastering of walls, I price it per SQM"
Your SOM have to add up to two bricklayer and a server if am buying material
A contractor told my friend to set a block in Lagos was N50 for one block
I told my friend it was a good price why
In Benin a bricklayer and one server set 100 block a day, some might do 105 blocks a day
so to set 100 block in Lagos per the contractor will be N5000 for 100 block
In Benin a bricklayer is N3000 daily and a server is N2000 daily

That is good.
Please can #600k do a plot size of 50X100 ft fence work using only 6"blocks all through. Material procurement and Labour all inclusive in Benin.
At least that is what a NL is willingly to offer.

spyder880:


Nice input my brother, am enjoying this calculation my brother. Now, this is a typical small sized 5 bedroom duplex belonging to me. Are you saying I can use N150,000 to do the plastering? Please explain with expected number of walls or square metres, or how best do you calculate parapet and other tricky areas in plastering? Of course I can learn a thing or two from you.

To plaster in and out??��

bixton:


That is good.
Please can #600k do a plot size of 50X100 ft fence work using only 6"blocks all through. Material procurement and Labour all inclusive in Benin.
At least that is what a NL is willingly to offer.

I am sure u can do it with 600K
The question you need to ask is
The number of block u need and the height.
Are u buying block? or mould your block
How many blocks will you need for the fence
Mound your block two trip of sand will likely give 1600 block
You will need 30 bags of cement to mound the two trips
If they tell you , U need 1500 block
To set 1500 blocks will cost about 80k
You need a foundation put 30k
About 22 bags of cement to set 1500 blocks
10 bags of cements for foundation or less

GoodFaith:


The question you need to ask is
The number of block u need and the height.
Are u buying block? or mould your block
How many blocks will you need for the fence
If they tell you , U need 1500 block
To set 1500 blocks will cost about 80k
You need a foundation put 30k
About 22 bags of cement to set 1500 blocks
10 bags of cements for foundation or less

22 bags of cement to set 1500 blocks.
That amounts to 1 bag of cement per 100 -set blocks.
Giving by your estimate for mould, that's about 1 bag cement to approximate of 50 blocks.
Height of fence wall is 10 course.

I liked reading about people that are trying to introduce standard costing into projects.

If we’re to move forward away from arrogant sellers and artisans then we need this. Standard pricing.

To the positive thinkers, don’t be dismayed by the cranky unshifting people with entrenched archaic thoughts.

Companies that are stuck in the mud and unyielding end up being buried in that mud because of lack of foresight.

Just look at Amazon as an example.

bixton:


That is good.
Please can #600k do a plot size of 50X100 ft fence work using only 6"blocks all through. Material procurement and Labour all inclusive in Benin.
At least that is what a NL is willingly to offer.

I saw this NL
"for 60x120 = 2800 blocks is a fair estimate."

Likely for your 50X100= 2000 blocks
https://www.nairaland.com/975268/how-many-9-blocks-required

bixton:


22 bags of cement to set 1500 blocks.
That amounts to 1 bag of cement per 100 -set blocks.
Giving by your estimate for mould, that's about 1 bag cement to approximate of 50 blocks.
Height of fence wall is 10 course.

Yes
I usually say one and half bags
I had war with my theft brother telling me he set 1900 blocks for 28 bags of cement
I keep record downstairs he used 22 bags for 1900
I told him , oh boy why are we using 28 bags now
The story was it rained-- I said really so river niger wash the other bags of cement away---
Your people

bixton:


22 bags of cement to set 1500 blocks.
That amounts to 1 bag of cement per 100 -set blocks.
Giving by your estimate for mould, that's about 1 bag cement to approximate of 50 blocks.
Height of fence wall is 10 course.

Now you have the right information
to question the people doing the fencing for you
My guess is u don't live in Nigeria
don't be surprise if he use 12 bags of cement for one trip, Yes Our people

GoodFaith:

Yes
I usually say one and half bags
I had war with my theft brother telling me he set 1900 blocks for 28 bags of cement
I keep record downstairs he used 22 bags for 1900
I told him , oh boy why are we using 28 bags now
The story was it rained-- I said really so river niger wash the other bags of cement away---
Your people

Okay.

@bixton:
If you don't live in Nigeria
If you are going to build a house in the land
Please make sure you are present for the foundation, filling and German floor
If is upstairs decking and roofing, tiles
You will save yourself lot of money
Experience is the best teacher
Hopefully u have four good friend or family member you can ask to check out prices for u

GoodFaith:

Now you have the right information
to question the people doing the fencing for you
My guess is u don't live in Nigeria
don't be surprise if he use 12 bags of cement for one trip, Yes Our people

Based on my location
A couple of things I do not even think of doing,exceeding the limit even if it works for others.

A 6tyre tipper sharp sand (local dredging)----(6"blocks mould/12bags cement max/40 blocks(will never exceed).

Mortar Chalking space is width of finger.
1.5 bags of cement for setting 100-110 blocks of 6".

GoodFaith:

I saw this NL
"for 60x120 = 2800 blocks is a fair estimate."

Likely for your 50X100= 2000 blocks
https://www.nairaland.com/975268/how-many-9-blocks-required

It is important to know if one is using concrete or block for columns when estimating blocks for fence. Because if one is using blocks for column, the above figures u quoted won't cover the land sizes.

GoodFaith:
@bixton:
If you don't live in Nigeria
If you are going to build a house in the land
Please make sure you are present for the foundation, filling and German floor
If is upstairs decking and roofing, tiles
You will save yourself lot of money
Experience is the best teacher
Hopefully u have four good friend or family member you can ask to check out prices for u

or just hire a consultant, pay handsomely, and sign an agreement with some draconian terms

Once you have option to pick up from factory with peace of mind why the blood pressure raising distributor. I dey too old for unecessary 9ja stress.

EgunMogaji:


But you can still pick up from factory?

GallantGalaxy:
Once you have option to pick up from factory with peace of mind why the blood pressure raising distributor. I dey too old for unecessary 9ja stress.

called Coleman last week but it was late
got this prices the next day
1.5mm----N8232
2.5mm---N13575
4mm-----N22430
10mm----N54,222

hello house. I need to do window and door shield to guide against rain water. I also need to install rain water pipe connector round my house.
If you are competent in doing this plesse drop me message here and I will contact you.
Thanks

EgunMogaji:


An astute thought.

So I'm still debating doing my build with 6" blocks on the exterior and using steel studs on that part facing inside and the entire interior partition. We have steel studs here in Nigeria and a Nairalander uses it a lot to do fancy wall work.

The thing is the cost factor. I am working out a spreadsheet to calculate all of this. I just haven't been able to get the cost of steel studs as well as the installation though I can supervise that.

Awesome!

The house should also understand that in most cases, handling labor work using the daily pay system always ends up in time delays as the artisans & laborers will intentionally work slowly such that the more the job is prolonged, the more daily wages they get.
On the other hand, when the artisans are paid per m2 or any other unit of measurement or on contract basis, they tend to move the work fast so that they can finish and move on to work on some other site.
A practical example happened recently on one of our sites. The building had already been completed but my chairman didn't like the quality of the HDF door frames and subframes. He directed that they be changed to hardwood throughout. We got a mason to cut open the wall around the door openings using electric grinder, fix the subframes with mortar and dress. This mason wanted to use 12 days to the job but because we gave the job to him as a contract of N80,000 as against N120,000 which he asked for a total of 54 doors, he finished the job within the 6 days which I gave him as his timeline.
If we had paid him per day, he would surely not finish the job in 12 days.

olumide4christ:
The house should also understand that in most cases, handling labor work using the daily pay system always ends up in time delays as the artisans & laborers will intentionally work slowly such that the more the job is prolonged, the more daily wages they get.
On the other hand, when the artisans are paid per m2 or any other unit of measurement or on contract basis, they tend to move the work fast so that they can finish and move on to work on some other site.
A practical example happened recently on one of our sites. The building had already been completed but my chairman didn't like the quality of the HDF door frames and subframes. He directed that they be changed to hardwood throughout. We got a mason to cut open the wall around the door openings using electric grinder, fix the subframes with mortar and dress. This mason wanted to use 12 days to the job but because we gave the job to him as a contract of N80,000 as against N120,000 which he asked for a total of 54 doors, he finished the job within the 6 days which I gave him as his timeline.
If we had paid him per day, he would surely not finish the job in 12 days.

Exactly!
That's the exact work daily payment does.
It's good to b smart and check all balances.

EgunMogaji:
I liked reading about people that are trying to introduce standard costing into projects.

If we’re to move forward away from arrogant sellers and artisans then we need this. Standard pricing.

To the positive thinkers, don’t be dismayed by the cranky unshifting people with entrenched archaic thoughts.

Companies that are stuck in the mud and unyielding end up being buried in that mud because of lack of foresight.

Just look at Amazon as an example.

Oga mi. I detect a "where is the beaf" tone to some certain sellers and artisans in the above o.
What gives? Or I will start another war... if so, pls skip on.

Hajji M.