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bennyann:
Just as some do not believe God exist, so also I do not believe that anyone is born gay. I realize it's all a decision.

Just as some decide to masturbate, have sex with animals, any objects, some even do so with kids just to gratify their sexual desires or lust. It's all a personal decision.

Forgive me but I do not care whether there are scientific theories and facts backing up claims of gays so as to please their beliefs. In this specific areas I do not believe them personally.

I do not know how God protected me by still keeping me intact sexually, but I do remember how some ladies try to break me around my private parts when I was still a child because my mum do go about her business then. So I've learnt never to leave our kids in the trust of another be it relatives or not. It's by God's grace some children are still morally sound.

It would be my decision if I want to be a prostitute, if I want to please both sexes. It would be one's decision to try both sexes and get to know the one that pleases you most. I believe a lesbian can be bisexual if she wants to, a homosexual can be bisexual if he wants to. Anyone can be if they desire it. So I find it funny when anyone blame it on science or creation.

There are friends around trying to lure one into any of these but it depends on you as a person. But as Christians, there are rules guiding us and normally we are to have these strong hatred for such acts since our God despise them. If you do not hate the act as a Christian, then you have to watch yourself, go back on your knees and and ask God to renew His spirit in you.

Suddenly everyone has gotten a voice. It's now they remember they were born homosexuals. It's now they discovered they are lesbians by nature all because someone who decided to live like that gave them a voice.

There is nothing wrong if God test us to please Himself because He is God. It seems no one understand the meaning of God yet but one thing I do know is that God tests His children to bring glory to His name, to encourage others, to make us know Him better and trust Him more.,to grow in Him and easily help others come to know God more. It all points back to our individual decisions. Whether God knows you would pass the test or not, He just can't stay idle not doing anything to encourage you to pass since the ultimate decision lies with you.

Let's remember God testing you doesn't mean you're the only focus. The enemy is there to know the outcome, followers are there to see if they would be encouraged by you or not because we are living for others and not ourselves, the cloud of witnesses are also there to cheer us on. The test isn't meant for only you, just remember others are watching to be encouraged or discouraged from your results. God won't leave you the same when you pass a test, it is also to take you to a new level.

So if you want a new level now, pass the test today or you can decide to fail it and pass it tomorrow as long as you don't fail it when it's too late. It's all on you, the power lies with you.

When we know the reasons God tests us, then this thread will make more sense.

If God still test you while knowing the outcome, it means there's hope for you, He alone understands the power He has given you. It means God believes in you to break every negative results attached to you. It's just like asking if God knows you wouldn't give yourself to Him, why did he still send Jesus to die for you. Well, it means there's hope for you and if you should fail it, it's entirely your fault after all He's done. If I fail, it is my fault.

a scientist discovered the gay gene. This shows that indeed, people are born gay.

What?!

Your knowledge has to be tested period.

Will you let an a neurosurgeon operate on you without a license that shows he or she prooved knowledge by passing all tests and exams satisfactorily?

Martinez19:
mtewwwwwww, please think before you type. The lectures know the answer before setting an exam but if they had known that I am more than qualified and knowledgeable, the exam would not have held.

Xiadnat:
What?!

Your knowledge has to be tested period.

Will you let an a neurosurgeon operate on you without a license that shows he or she prooved knowledge by passing all tests and exams satisfactorily?

what?!

If I knew that he is more than qualified, then there would be no need for a licence.

abouzaid:
his teacher doesn't know the outcome. the teacher can only guess his future potential performance. but God is supposed to know his exact performance in advance. whether he would score a 51% or a 91% on the dot.

Fair assessement. But thats what makes God, God then isnt?

Human can "project" outcome of events, but cant give with certainty.

Knowing outcome doesnt preclude testing.

Testing still is for the benefit of the testee NOT the tester (person giving test)

Martinez19:
what?!

If I knew that he is more than qualified, then there would be no need for a licence.

How would you know they are qualified?

You blind trust him/her?

Really?

Xiadnat:
How would you know they are qualified?

You blind trust him/her?

Really?

since I don't know, they must be tested. If I knew before hand like God, there would be no need for testing.

I see. The problem is in how you view God.

The testing of your knowledge (or faith) is for you NOT for God per se.

Think of a personal trainer who is training (testing) you for a marathon (tho the trainer knows you are a pro runner or not- it doesnt matter). Trainer still Pushes you to your limits, challenges you so you can get stronger and win.

Think of it this way:

If personal trainers know professional athletes are great at their games and sports, how come these athletes still need practise before and in between games/sports?


I will tell ya as a doctor, no matter how many years in practise, we still need to keep up on medical knowledge and our skills, we still need "continued education" and re-certification tests and exams every few years.

Thats all God is doing with testing tho he knows the outcome. Tests are to reveal your weakness, make your "spiritual muscles" stronger, stay in "spiritual shape" and keep your "skills" sharp.


Hope this makes sense.

Martinez19:
since I don't know, they must be tested. If I knew before hand like God, there would be no need for testing.

Xiadnat:
I see. The problem is in how you view God.

The testing of your knowledge (or faith) is for you NOT for God per se.

Think of a personal trainer who is training (testing) you for a marathon (tho the trainer knows you are a pro runner or not- it doesnt matter). Trainer still Pushes you to your limits, challenges you so you can get stronger and win.

Think of it this way:

If personal trainers know professional athletes are great at their games and sports, how come these athletes still need practise before and in between games/sports?


I will tell ya as a doctor, no matter how many years in practise, we still need to keep up on medical knowledge and our skills, we still need "continued education" and re-certification tests and exams every few years.

Thats all God is doing with testing tho he knows the outcome. Tests are to reveal your weakness, make your "spiritual muscles" stronger, stay in "spiritual shape" and keep your "skills" sharp.


Hope this makes sense.

when God told Abraham to sacrifice his son, what weakness or training was God giving out? Given that Abraham eventually passed, then what was the need of the test since God knew he would pass? What sort of thing is this?

Martinez19:
How can god know the future and still be testing you? What sort of rubbish is this? What is the purpose of him testing when he knows the result? Must he test? This is not compatible with reason at all. It's psychopathic.


#africawakeup

If Job and , Abraham father of faith can be tested then we're not left out. Same way man test his fellow man to know whether he's trust worthy similar thing God does at times. He wants to see how faithful you're.

asuustrike2009:
If Job and , Abraham father of faith can be tested then we're not left out. Same way man test his fellow man to know whether he's trust worthy similar thing God does at times. He wants to see how faithful you're.

what is wrong with you theists? Una no dey think? Man test his fellow man because he needs know. God already knows, why test?

Ah ah!

Martinez19:
what is wrong with you theists? Una no dey think? Man test his fellow man because he needs know. God already knows, why test?

Ah ah!

God already knows right !yet he tested Job and Abraham. Every test in a man's life is for a purpose

asuustrike2009:
God already knows right !yet he tested Job and Abraham. Every test in a man's life is for a purpose

what purpose is that? I am sure you don't know. Oya tell me the purpose.

I think that you are not really taking the time to read and digest what I have said (and perhaps others) on this topic.

Calm down.

The test was to reveal what was in Abraham's character, strength of faith. A second chance for father Abraham to 'prove' himself to God.

Abraham passed with flying colors (at least on the case with Issac's sacrifice, tho he failed w/ Issac's promised birth).


Son, why don't you tell me what is personally troubling you. I can see you have deep seated issue with God.

Martinez19:
when God told Abraham to sacrifice his son, what weakness or training was God giving out? Given that Abraham eventually passed, then what was the need of the test since God knew he would pass? What sort of thing is this?

Martinez19:
what is wrong with you theists? Una no dey think? Man test his fellow man because he needs know. God already knows, why test?

Ah ah!

Man is made in the image of God. God tests for the same reason man tests other man. Except God knows the outcome (because of the nature of God, but it doesn't prevent testing still).

Oya, tell me, why would you test your fellow man if you were to?

Where do you think humans got the initial idea to 'test' fellow man?

NB: God does NOT cause 'bad' things to happen to people just to test them. But God does allow bad things- only will use it for good.

Martinez19:
what purpose is that? I am sure you don't know. Oya tell me the purpose.

1.To help your perseverance
James 1:12 God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.
2.To humble you
1 Peter 5:6-8 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you. Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

3.To discipline
Proverbs 3:11-13 My child, do not reject the Lord’s discipline, and don’t get angry when he corrects you. The Lord corrects those he loves, just as parents correct the child they delight in. Happy is the person who finds wisdom, the one who gets understanding.
4. To protect you from bigger trouble
Psalm 121:5-8 The Lord guards you. The Lord is the shade that protects you from the sun. The sun cannot hurt you during the day, and the moon cannot hurt you at night. The Lord will protect you from all dangers; he will guard your life. The Lord will guard you as you come and go, both now and forever.
Psalm 37:5 Commit everything you do to the LORD. Trust him, and he will help you.

Daeylar:
Exactly, this always pissed me off, let me use homosexuals as an example. why create someone to be a homosexual or a bisexual and then throw the person in "hell" for being an homosexual? Then say you gave the person a chance to repent, which kin nonsense mind games be that, If you didn't create the person as one he wouldn't have had to repent in the first place.
why create problems for people then say you were testing them? This is the same person that said in
Luke 4:16 and Matthew 4:7 that no one should test him, but he wants to test people.

I feel like I'm sinning by pointing this out

Where are the Christians? Any response to these statements, I want to learn

You be Homosexual?

bennyann:
Just as some do not believe God exist, so also I do not believe that anyone is born gay. I realize it's all a decision.

Just as some decide to masturbate, have sex with animals, any objects, some even do so with kids just to gratify their sexual desires or lust. It's all a personal decision.

Forgive me but I do not care whether there are scientific theories and facts backing up claims of gays so as to please their beliefs. In this specific areas I do not believe them personally.

@Bolded so basically cognitive dissonance?
You think Scientist just come out one day and start bringing facts on Homosexuality? The thing is that facts remain fact weda you accept it or not

I do not know how God protected me by still keeping me intact sexually, but I do remember how some ladies try to break me around my private parts when I was still a child because my mum do go about her business then. So I've learnt never to leave our kids in the trust of another be it relatives or not. It's by God's grace some children are still morally sound.

@bolded you do realize that morality doesn't only apply to your religion? would you say Buddhist are not moral because they don't believe in God(Fact)?

No God grace is not what makes a child moral or not rather its the Environment he or she finds himself/herself Take Russia, for example, you wanna tell me if you go to Russia you won't take vodka? abi you wan die There are even some region you would go to where smoking cigar is seen as norm

Suddenly everyone has gotten a voice. It's now they remember they were born homosexuals. It's now they discovered they are lesbians by nature all because someone who decided to live like that gave them a voice.

Hypocrite!! Ther was a Time when Christians cant openly say they were Christians.............

P.S it happens to everybody

If God still test you while knowing the outcome, it means there's hope for you, He alone understands the power He has given you. It means God believes in you to break every negative results attached to you. It's just like asking if God knows you wouldn't give yourself to Him, why did he still send Jesus to die for you. Well, it means there's hope for you and if you should fail it, it's entirely your fault after all He's done. If I fail, it is my fault.

Your first statement doesn't make sense cause it shows that you God is confused and not certain so basically, it all points out to you God is not all knowing why is it so hard to accept that and let this argument end

Thanks for responding

bennyann:
Just as some decide to masturbate, have sex with animals, any objects, some even do so with kids just to gratify their sexual desires or lust. It's all a personal decision.

When will you guys stop equating homosexuality to crimes like bestiality or child molestation, I know you understand what is consent

Just as some do not believe God exist, so also I do not believe that anyone is born gay. I realize it's all a decision.
Forgive me but I do not care whether there are scientific theories and facts backing up claims of gays so as to please their beliefs. In this specific areas I do not believe them personally.

All good and well, those are your personal opinions which will be discussed later, however, That's not what I asked though,

I asked why will God make people homosexual or bisexual when he knows that he will throw such people into hell, why make anything like homosexuality or bisexuality to exist in the first place? Abi it just appeared in the mind of humans, if it just did and he could do everything like the way he caused the people building the towel of babel to speak different languages, why not just erase everything thing about homosexuality from the minds of humans, why all the needless tests to see if they will repent or not? Why the stress? But God doesn't want anyone to test him back, It doesn't really make sense to me

I do not know how God protected me by still keeping me intact sexually, but I do remember how some ladies try to break me around my private parts when I was still a child because my mum do go about her business then. So I've learnt never to leave our kids in the trust of another be it relatives or not.

I understand this and I agree

It's by God's grace some children are still morally sound.

Who's grace is it the ones that are not sound?

It would be my decision if I want to be a prostitute, if I want to please both sexes. It would be one's decision to try both sexes and get to know the one that pleases you most. I believe a lesbian can be bisexual if she wants to, a homosexual can be bisexual if he wants to. Anyone can be if they desire it. So I find it funny when anyone blame it on science or creation.

I find the bolded hilarious, so are you saying God who created everything and is omini this and that didn't create neither did he know about homosexuality?

For the rest of your statement, That's your personal belief even when there are many homosexuals that say they cannot be with someone of the opposite sex yet you choose to disregard them, I actually cannot choose to be with lesbians, I don't know about you,

There are friends around trying to lure one into any of these but it depends on you as a person. But as Christians, there are rules guiding us and normally we are to have these strong hatred for such acts since our God despise them.

God despises it but did not do anything about it, after destroying people at Sodom and Gomorrah, he didn't feel bad and remove every thought of such from the heart of man, but sharp sharp he scattered the people building the tower of babel with different languages, my point being that he is capable of stopping anything he doesn't like by changing the thoughts why didn't he stop homosexuality? Why is he still testing?

If you do not hate the act as a Christian, then you have to watch yourself, go back on your knees and and ask God to renew His spirit in you.

I hate the fact that God left this homosexuality to continue when he knows he does not like it, why not remove it completely, which kin rough play be that?
I want to ask God that.

Suddenly everyone has gotten a voice. It's now they remember they were born homosexuals. It's now they discovered they are lesbians by nature all because someone who decided to live like that gave them a voice.

I have no words for this

There is nothing wrong if God test us to please Himself because He is God.

So he knows everything but still wants to test us to pleade himself, arent you offended? If your friend tests you just to please his or herself won't you be upset? Why is God allowed to do so?

It seems no one understand the meaning of God yet but one thing I do know is that God tests His children to bring glory to His name, to encourage others, to make us know Him better and trust Him more.,to grow in Him and easily help others come to know God more. It all points back to our individual decisions. Whether God knows you would pass the test or not, He just can't stay idle not doing anything to encourage you to pass since the ultimate decision lies with you.

If the ultimate decision lies with me then he is not the omini everything, he doesn't know what I will that's why he is doing so, then

Let's remember God testing you doesn't mean you're the only focus. The enemy is there to know the outcome, followers are there to see if they would be encouraged by you or not because we are living for others and not ourselves, the cloud of witnesses are also there to cheer us on. The test isn't meant for only you, just remember others are watching to be encouraged or discouraged from your results. God won't leave you the same when you pass a test, it is also to take you to a new level.
So if you want a new level now, pass the test today or you can decide to fail it and pass it tomorrow as long as you don't fail it when it's too late. It's all on you, the power lies with you.

Exactly. If I take the test and fail and my time is up like the rich man in the bible, immediately I'm thrown to hell isn't that right? So he knew I will take a test, knew that I will fail, and still knew I will still be thrown to hell after yet still did it, why?, why create and carry out such tests in the first place, why not create people to live exactly how he wants? Abi we are just Guinea pigs for the testing, some may survive and go to heaven, some may not and go to hell, goodbye, take care and happy testing? Is that how it is?

When we know the reasons God tests us, then this thread will make more sense.

I hope he let's us know why, because until then, this thread is making a lot of sense

If God still test you while knowing the outcome, it means there's hope for you, He alone understands the power He has given you. It means God believes in you to break every negative results attached to you. It's just like asking if God knows you wouldn't give yourself to Him, why did he still send Jesus to die for you. Well, it means there's hope for you and if you should fail it, it's entirely your fault after all He's done. If I fail, it is my fault.

If I fail it's my fault, if I pass it's his glory, story,
Still my question, why the testing?

If it seems like I'm coming down hard on you, I'm sorry, I just need answers,


@decide no, I'm not homosexual, but most of this unreasonable and scary hatred for homosexuality seems to stem from religion, the boy that jumped or "was pushed" down from a 2 story building comes to mind, and some people were ranting he deserves to die, one even said one funny prayer that the boy should die and ended it with "in the name of Jesus",

This thread is a sorta epiphany - an exposition of the uncritical and atrophied mind of the Christian zombies. The point raised by the OP is a very simple one, but for some reasons ranging from indoctrination to selective bias, the Christians have been making some irrational and meaningless rationalization for one of the - if not the - stupidest story in the Bible.

I shall paint a similar picture - a very simplified one.

Imagine a father who's said to be omniscient - he has foreknowledge of events. Decidedly he set to go out, and his innocent little child lays on the bed. Remember he has the power to know things before they happen. So our guy knew that if he lit a candle on the table, his child will be burnt badly before he return. At this point, common sense entails he should take away the candle or avoid lighting one right? But our omniscient guy said in his mind, "let me test my child and see if he will pass" so he struck a match.

It happened that the came back and met his kid with a scarred hand. He got so 'angry' when he saw this and then proceeded to curse the child before throwing him out of his house.

You might be fuming at this point "what kinda stupid, wicked and evil father is this?"

What if I tell you this is your god - the Christian god. This is the stupid, wicked and evil thing you call a loving merciful father.

Why plant the fuc`king tree when he already know Adam and Eve can't resist it?

Why put up a test he know is capable of blotching his 'perfect plan'?

Why create the serpent when he's already informed this animal will ruin his plan for a perfect world?

Why was he surprised and angry when he's seen them eat the apple before it happened?

Why create the devil when he's seen with his power that this guy will wrestle him one day - this one is a funny one actually.

Finally where's the mercy you guys talk about when he punished two innocent people for something that was clearly his fault - and their first 'crime' actually? Why do you call him a merciful father?

Then again there's another possible logical deduction apart from the guy being evil, confused and plain stupid. Do you want to know? It's simple. This story did not happen. If you disagree with this option then be honest at least and admit your god is a wicked dumb thing who bungles whatever he does.

hahn:
Why do people even take God serious? It should be admitted in a psychiatric ward

Hahn, Have you seen the latest scientific release on a 22yr study of Atheists ? It conclusively proves that ATHEISM IS A MENTAL DISEASE. The readers of Nairaland that have studied your posts must be relieved by these shocking scientific facts.
Now they all know that you are a heartless nut job doing the work of your chosen master.

This scientific release has even shocked the scientific world. One famous professor the honourable Prof.Francis Collins, the head of the Human Genome Project turned from Atheist to accept Jesus, He stood by American president Bill Clinton’s side as the President announced: 'Today we are learning the language in which God created life.'

Women report that after marrying an Atheist they were treated like they have no soul, no heart, no feelings. Everything is supposed to be dealt with LOGICALLY. As a sad result, they say the only emotional closeness is in mechanical, lustfilled, unsatisfying sex where they have to pretend that they have Orgasm.

asuustrike2009:
1.To help your perseverance
James 1:12 God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.
2.To humble you
1 Peter 5:6-8 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you. Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

3.To discipline
Proverbs 3:11-13 My child, do not reject the Lord’s discipline, and don’t get angry when he corrects you. The Lord corrects those he loves, just as parents correct the child they delight in. Happy is the person who finds wisdom, the one who gets understanding.
4. To protect you from bigger trouble
Psalm 121:5-8 The Lord guards you. The Lord is the shade that protects you from the sun. The sun cannot hurt you during the day, and the moon cannot hurt you at night. The Lord will protect you from all dangers; he will guard your life. The Lord will guard you as you come and go, both now and forever.
Psalm 37:5 Commit everything you do to the LORD. Trust him, and he will help you.

In the case of Abraham, where do these four reasons you gave apply? One thing I do know is that Abraham's case was pointless given that God knows the outcome.

Martinez19:
In the case of Abraham, where do these four reasons you gave apply? One thing I do know is that Abraham's case was pointless given that God knows the outcome.

Hi Martinez19, believe the historicity of Abraham at your own peril. All respectable archeologists considers him, Isaac and Jacob as purely mythical characters.

STUPUDTHEISTS:
Hi Martinez19, believe the historicity of Abraham at your own peril. All respectable archeologists considers him, Isaac and Jacob as purely mythical characters.

lol. I know they are mythical characters.

#proudathiest

adepeter2027:
Lemme summon Wilgrea7 and B.ennyann, they are one of the sensible Christians on this section

sorry for the late response.. i got banned by the antispam bot for replying someone shortly... which still surprises me.. .. anyways.. i don't think it makes sense to say that God tests us to know the outcome.. it contradicts the idea of an all knowing God.. people who defend bad things as “works of God" need to find another reason

Martinez19:
when God told Abraham to sacrifice his son, what weakness or training was God giving out? Given that Abraham eventually passed, then what was the need of the test since God knew he would pass? What sort of thing is this?

Yahweh is a gambler na. That's his hobby.

Daeylar:
Thanks for responding

I asked why will God make people homosexual or bisexual when he knows that he will throw such people into hell, why make anything like homosexuality or bisexuality to exist in the first place? Abi it just appeared in the mind of humans, if it just did and he could do everything like the way he caused the people building the towel of babel to speak different languages, why not just erase everything thing about homosexuality from the minds of humans, why all the needless tests to see if they will repent or not? Why the stress? But God doesn't want anyone to test him back, It doesn't really make sense to me

For the rest of your statement, That's your personal belief even when there are many homosexuals that say they cannot be with someone of the opposite sex yet you choose to disregard them, I actually cannot choose to be with lesbians, I don't know about you,

The thought of lesbianism has never occurred to me, not to talk of deciding on it. From the topic you brought up, I only believe decision is a major factor in becoming one.

Talking about what we can choose and what we can't choose, the weight of our decision will be known after its been tested and tried. The choice you've decided on will only make sense if you maintain it after it's gone through the fire. Some do it for money, some depending on the circumstances they find themselves and not because they desire it.

That's why Christians attach the grace of God to everything because they know after they've made a very sound moral decision, they will have to dépend on God to see them through since their strength alone can't do it.

God despises it but did not do anything about it, after destroying people at Sodom and Gomorrah, he didn't feel bad and remove every thought of such from the heart of man, but sharp sharp he scattered the people building the tower of babel with different languages, my point being that he is capable of stopping anything he doesn't like by changing the thoughts why didn't he stop homosexuality? Why is he still testing?

It's just like saying He should stop sin authoritatively, He should take away our free will.
There are rules governing everything. The word of God has to be fulfilled. He decided not to take away your freewill but there are consequences for every decision you make. It's jst something automatic, you reap what you sow.

Forgive me for still speaking according to a personal belief of "decision" being a major factor. Yes! That's how powerful the human mind is cos that's where our battle ground is - our mind. We are that powerful.

But I think we should be clear on this that God tests His children, those who acknowledge Him and believe in Him and love Him while He waits on the others at the door of their hearts to come to Him. The tests is for them to be qualified to the next level like I said earlier because we have to grow and not be stagnant.

I do not think God test those that ignore Him, He only do all he can to get their attention.

You guys love freedom so much so I don't understand why you want God to control you like a robot. God can only do that after you've surrenderred your freewill to Him willingly.

Even God work by His own rules, His word, that's how trustworthy He is. He said if we are unfaithful, that He will remain faithful for He cannot disown Himself.

So he knows everything but still wants to test us to pleade himself, arent you offended? If your friend tests you just to please his or herself won't you be upset? Why is God allowed to do so?

Sincerely I don't like it when I'm tested because it looks to me I'm not trustable and it hurts. But you know it doesn't stop people from testing each other because they are also looking for one to trust and rely on. But God's test for His children is for the good of His children also, it's a form of training, of discipline, of growing and of being worthy of honour. But come to think of it, why won't you test what you've created? Hmmm, it is well

If the ultimate decision lies with me then he is not the omini everything, he doesn't know what I will that's why he is doing so, then

Whatever you say won't change who He is you know, God has given you the privilege, use it wisely. You're in charge of your life and God wants you to use it wisely. The key to your latter life is in your hands, all He wants is for you to be awakened to that because He believes in you, He loves you. Do your part and God will do His. Let's stop passing our responsibilities to Him.

Exactly. If I take the test and fail and my time is up like the rich man in the bible, immediately I'm thrown to hell isn't that right? So he knew I will take a test, knew that I will fail, and still knew I will still be thrown to hell after yet still did it, why?, why create and carry out such tests in the first place, why not create people to live exactly how he wants? Abi we are just Guinea pigs for the testing, some may survive and go to heaven, some may not and go to hell, goodbye, take care and happy testing? Is that how it is?

If you were the rich man now, what would be the cry of the society towards you? Again, God doesn't test those that ignore Him but only do all he can to get their attention. Don't forget there are consequences for every decision we make and every act we carry out. Be in Christ and turn the consequences for your own good.

I hope he let's us know why, because until then, this thread is making a lot of sense

You need to surrender your life to Jesus, trust and love Him with all your heart, then you would have more right to know why He would test you and understand better. This thread will make more sense then.

may God help us
I don't know if the op is atheist or Christian but this is the answer (if the op have scriptural knowledge and where the words I used are in the Bible .....)


1) first, friend GOD TESTS NO MAN-
then someone will ask me "what about Abraham,Moses and others"........
now if God tests me it's obvious that he doesn't know the future ((((someone talked about free will... that we are unpredictable by God... that's false..... if we aren't predictable by God then how is he God (I speak as a fool)))) now I said God doesn't test man and I'm talking about Abraham ... God was giving Abraham a good report for his faith since faith without works is dead. now friends I want you to judge this ... if I gave you a test and at the same i gave you the answer to it have I tested you ? definitely not... so also God "tested" i used the word "tested" because of the angle we see it.. we didn't know God gave him the answer (as in grace ) but now we know ..... if God didn't give him the answer in grace then Abraham could boast but not before God and Christian who know that God gave him the grace but before unbelievers and people who don't know .... they take it as God tested Abraham..... but I know and am confident that God was giving him a good report I hope you understand ....

2) besides the Bible says that God tests no man in James 1:13 and we know that grace truth wisdom and righteousness are all in Jesus the Bible was written for the saints and those who has found favour in God

Ferisidowu:
may God help us
I don't know if the op is atheist or Christian but this is the answer (if the op have scriptural knowledge and where the words I used are in the Bible .....)


1) first, friend GOD TESTS NO MAN-
then someone will ask me "what about Abraham,Moses and others"........
now if God tests me it's obvious that he doesn't know the future ((((someone talked about free will... that we are unpredictable by God... that's false..... if we aren't predictable by God then how is he God (I speak as a fool)))) now I said God doesn't test man and I'm talking about Abraham ... God was giving Abraham a good report for his faith since faith without works is dead. now friends I want you to judge this ... if I gave you a test and at the same i gave you the answer to it have I tested you ? definitely not... so also God "tested" i used the word "tested" because of the angle we see it.. we didn't know God gave him the answer (as in grace ) but now we know ..... if God didn't give him the answer in grace then Abraham could boast but not before God and Christian who know that God gave him the grace but before unbelievers and people who don't know .... they take it as God tested Abraham..... but I know and am confident that God was giving him a good report I hope you understand ....

2) besides the Bible says that God tests no man in James 1:13 and we know that grace truth wisdom and righteousness are all in Jesus the Bible was written for the saints and those who has found favour in God

We're saying the same thing dear. God test us not because He knows nothing about us but for us to know our level of faith, it is for our own benefits. James 1:12, 1Peter 1:6-7, Job 23:10, James 1:2-4.

A test is meant for you to pass, to know your level, to improve and to promote you.
A temptation is meant for you to fail, to degrade and humiliate you.

I learnt something from your post you know..

bennyann:
We're saying the same thing dear. God test us not because He knows nothing about us but for us to know our level of faith, it is for our own benefits. James 1:12, 1Peter 1:6-7, Job 23:10, James 1:2-4.


A test is meant for you to pass, to know your level, to improve and to promote you.
A temptation is meant for you to fail, to degrade and humiliate you.

I learnt something from your post you know..

The boldfaced is complete nonsense by all standards. You Christians say all sorts of things - not minding how contradictory it is - to rationalize the BULLSHIT in your 'holey' book.

Now let's look at what the Bible said about Abraham test. Verse 12
"Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”

From the above verse, it's so clear that Yahweh tested Abraham just to know his level of faith. If he has foreknowledge of the event - like you guys claim - he wouldn't have said "now I know"

Y'all should stop all these terrible apologetics and acknowledge the fact that Yahweh is not omniscient - even when you use the Bible as a frame of reference.

bennyann:
We're saying the same thing dear. God test us not because He knows nothing about us but for us to know our level of faith, it is for our own benefits. James 1:12, 1Peter 1:6-7, Job 23:10, James 1:2-4.

A test is meant for you to pass, to know your level, to improve and to promote you.
A temptation is meant for you to fail, to degrade and humiliate you.

I learnt something from your post you know..

More nail to your apologetic coffin.

Yahweh was very pleased when Abraham passed his test. He was so surprised - which defeat the omniscient argument. The blessing he spoke of was a consequence of Abraham action which he wasn't privy to before then.

Look at what your Bible has to say again.

Verse 15,16,17,18
The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, “I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”

The impromptu blessing defeats your argument. Yahweh tested Abraham to know his level of faith because he's not omniscient. He wouldn't be so joyed if he already knew Abraham was gonna obey and proceed to kill Isaac.

Christians shot themselves the day they ascribed omni-qualities to their deity.