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It's quite silly to hold briefs for abortion on the premise that the woman's body belongs to her and so grants her the legitimacy to unilaterally decide whether or not a foetus should be KILLED. Yes, I think we should call it KILLING, not ABORTION. The word "abortion" sounds too abstract and seems to lessen the significance of the act. It's like opting to call The Holocaust "elimination of Jewish elements" rather than call it "the mass murder of Jews". The former sounds abstract–poetic even–, while the latter sounds concrete and much more forthright, and is also much more likely to grate on our conscience.

And no, I do not agree that "the body belongs to the woman". It stopped being her body the minute she got pregnant. From then on it became the body of two–or three in the case of triplets.

I remember one particular Christmas from my childhood. My grandmother bought three chickens and we–her grandchildren–played with them and also fed them with corn and rice from early December up until the morning of 24th December. I remember that on that morning when the chickens were to be slaughtered, my grandmother stretched out the neck of one chicken, handed a knife to one of my male cousins and asked him to cut the chicken's neck. He couldn't. And this was a boy of about 16 years. And I'm certain many of us get naseous and squeamish about the sight of blood–Well, unless you're an indurate psychopath like KarashikaExtra.

The point I'm trying to make is, I think abortion comes easy to many people and doesn't seem so gory due to the fact that the "shedding of blood" is not explicit, or should I say, due to the fact that it takes places internally and so our conscience is spared of the graphic details. Supposing that abortions have to take place manually–not via abortion pills and the likes that help with the guilt–, supposing you actually have to use your own hands to stab the foetus no matter how tiny it is, and supposing you have to see tomato paste spurting out of its tiny frame, then maybe then would abortion be seen for what it really is, which is conscientious MURDER – a sin against both Man and Nature.

I think abortion should only be an option in cases when the birth of a child poses a great danger to the mother's life, or in cases of rape. Even in cases of rape, the mother could have the child and then place him or her in a mother-less home.

butterflyl1on:
I am not! Simply observing comments and encouraging discussion.

NL Google is your friend.
This topic don STALE reach na haba!
Who cares and what is YOUR OWN solution?

Daeylar:
That's if the mother is willing to carry the child or not. If she wants to carry the child to full term and give it up for adoption that's her choice, she is the one who will carry the baby and go through the pains of delivery. If she doesn't it's her choice also.

if the woman doesn't want to carry a child she shouldn't


you can't force a woman to go through pregnancy and childbirth because "adoption agencies" that's ridiculous.

Furthermore what happened to all the other children who need good parents? Why can't people adopt those ones?

I know people can adopt kids and treat them well but there are also stories of children not being treated well either by their adoptive parents or at orphanages or fosters homes.

I would rather not add to the stories of children who are not treated well by their adoptive parents. It's a gamble that I would rather not want a child to go through.

So you would rather kill the baby than take a chance?

DarkRebel69:
. . . . And I'm certain many of us get naseous and squeamish about the sight of blood–Well, unless you're a psychopath like KarashikaExra.

The point I'm trying to make is, I think abortion comes easy to many people . . . . .

Even in cases of rape, the mother could have the child and then place him or her in a mother-less home.

You cannot make your point without calling names?

I don pass that stage abeg.
Who is sounding more like a Psychopath now?
Go to any motherless/fatherless baby home and see the level of physical and sexual abuse the children go through. Abortion will be “mercy-killing” to you!

You drop your own unwanted baby in a fatherless baby home ke! Set a good example.

DarkRebel69:
It's quite silly to hold briefs for abortion on the premise that the woman's body belongs to her and so grants her the legitimacy to unilaterally decide whether or not a foetus should be KILLED. Yes, I think we should call it KILLING, not ABORTION. The word "abortion" sounds too abstract and seems to lessen the significance of the act. It's like opting to call The Holocaust "elimination of Jewish elements" rather than "the mass murder of Jews". The former sounds abstract–even poetic–, while the latter sounds concrete and much more forthright.

And no, it's not just the woman's body. It stopped being only her body the minute she got pregnant. From then on it became the body of two–or three in the case of triplets.

I remember one particular Christmas from my childhood. My grandmother bought three chickens and we–her grandchildren–played with and fed them with corn from early December up until the morning of 24th December. I remember that on that morning when the chickens were to be slaughtered, my grandmother stretched out the neck of one chicken, handed a knife to one of my male cousins and asked him to cut the chicken's neck. He couldn't. And this was a boy of about 16 years. And I'm certain many of us get naseous and squeamish about the sight of blood–Well, unless you're a psychopath like KarashikaExra.

The point I'm trying to make is, I think abortion comes easy to many people and doesn't seem so gory due to the fact that the "shedding of blood" is not explicit, or should I say, due to the fact that it takes places internally and so our conscience is spared of the graphic details. Supposing that abortions have to take place manually–not via abortion pills and the likes that help with the guilt–, supposing you actually have to use your own hands to stab the foetus no matter how tiny it is, and supposing you have to see tomato paste spurting out of its tiny frame, then maybe then would abortion be seen what it really is, which is MURDER – a sin against both Man and Nature.

I think abortion should only be an option in cases when the birth of a child poses a great danger to the mother's life, or in cases of rape. Even in cases of rape, the mother could have the child and then place him or her in a mother-less home.

Wow, this is very insensitive to women, you can't tell a woman who her body belongs to, her body belongs to her and her alone, point blank. End of discussion


Furthermore you have absolutely no right to tell a rape victim what to do with her pregnancy if she got pregnant as a result of the rape, that's very insensitive and outright annoying.
The woman was raped, yet you want her to carry that reminder of rape for 9 months without her opinion on the issue, that's just disgusting and insensitive. I have no words, for you to actually think you have the right to tell a rape victim what to do with her pregnancy. Just wow.

A woman's body belongs to her and her alone, let that sink in.

You have absolutely no right to tell a rape victim what to do with a pregnancy as a result of rape, let that sink in also.

Do you think life is rosy in motherless babies homes?

These are just the issues I have with your write up,
The rest is your personal opinion which you are entitled to.

I'm pro do whatever is best for you and the child

butterflyl1on:
Kanwuliaextra said the below




I guess abortions do pose some mental health issues. It has already been mentioned on this thread. If this was a census then the speed with which we got the first one should let you have an idea of how the others would follow.

Women generally feel emotionally drained and terrible psychologically after abortions or even a little later on in life if such abortions caused them some physical damage internally.

The mental issues occur with ANY decisions made concerning a pregnancy.

Any woman will have severe mental issues ANYWAY you look at it.

1. Abortion
2. Giving up your “UNWANTED BABY”.
3. Carrying an unwanted pregnancy and raising a child in BASTARDOM.

A hard choice for ANY WOMAN TO make.

Thanks our stars for the era of BABY MAMAS and DADAS!

I love the new generation of women. Having a fatherless baby home is in VOGUE now.

OP! Abortion nor dey reign again o. Welcome to “BABY MAMA” era.

Please, relax your mind.

butterflyl1on:
Well the truth is that whatever someone has been repeatedly exposed to be it good or bad can affect ones views about a lot of things.

Imagine talking about fetuses all chopped up in loads of trash bags as if one is talking about groceries.

Those are generations wiped out and packed in trash bags like Rotten Tomatoes. I tried ignoring that comment but you had to highlight it again.

The lady-troll in question used to have the picture of a penïs on her Nairaland's DP. I'm no practitioner from Harley Street neither am I an alienist, but surely you would agree that such impulsive and reckless behaviour are suggestive of acute mania, and not atypical of the sort of person who sees human beings as "chopped up loads in trash bags"?

KanwuliaExtra:
You cannot make your point without calling names?

I don pass that stage abeg.
Who is sounding more like a Psychopath now?

Is it a requirement that I have to make my point without calling names? Besides, your name is KanwuliaExtra. Are you KarashikaExtra? KarashikaExtra does have a nice ring to it though. Hehe.

My bad, psychopaths are usually intelligent, methodical, and less impulsive. I think I might have misdiagnosed you. You fit the bill of a low-functioning sociopath more than you do a high-functioning psychopath.

KanwuliaExtra:
The mental issues occur with ANY decisions made concerning a pregnancy.

Any woman will have severe mental issues ANYWAY you look at it.

1. Abortion
2. Giving up your “UNWANTED BABY”.
3. Carrying an unwanted pregnancy and raising a child in BASTARDOM.

A hard choice for ANY WOMAN TO make.

Thanks our stars for the era of BABY MAMAS and DADAS!

I love the new generation of women. Having a fatherless baby home is in VOGUE now.

OP! Abortion nor dey reign again o. Welcome to “BABY MAMA” era.

Please, relax your mind.

My mind is relaxed. I am simply appalled at the cold manner you make your comments as if nothing matters and life is worth less than a roll of tissue paper to you.

Abortion is still a worldwide problem. In fact it is getting out of hand.

In China alone due to mass abortions and the 1 child rule everyone now has become insensitive to life and would flush as many as they can down toilets and even have them run over by vehicles if that would reduce 2 to 1

DarkRebel69:
Is it a requirement that I have to make my point without calling names? Besides, your name is KanwuliaExtra. Are you KarashikaExtra? KarashikaExtra does have a nice ring to it though. Hehe.

My bad, psychopaths are usually intelligent, methodical, and less impulsive. I think I might have misdiagnosed you. You fit the bill of a low-functioning sociopath more than you do a high-functioning psychopath.

Whatever!
Open your own “fatherless baby home” and I will give you lots of unwanted babies with AIDS to molest and sell into sex slavery.

Please, set a good example.

DarkRebel69:
The lady-troll in question used to have the picture of a penïs on her Nairaland's DP. I'm no practitioner from Harley Street neither am I an alienist, but surely you would agree that such impulsive and reckless behaviour are suggestive of acute mania, and not atypical of the sort of person who sees human beings as "chopped up loads in trash bags"?

oh the owner of the moniker is female? Now that shocks me even more.

butterflyl1on:
oh the owner of the moniker is female? Now that shocks me even more.

KanwuliaExtra:
Whatever!
Open your own “fatherless baby home” and I will give you lots of unwanted babies with AIDS to molest and sell into sex slavery.

Please, set a good example.

I want to believe you are older than Darkrebel especially since you already said you have worked in an abortion clinic some 30 years ago so I would take a wild guess to assume you are in your 50s.

Show some tact please.

butterflyl1on:
My mind is relaxed. I am simply appalled at the cold manner you make your comments as if nothing matters and life is worth less than a roll of tissue paper to you.

Abortion is still a worldwide problem. In fact it is getting out of hand.

In China alone due to mass abortions and the 1 child rule everyone now has become insensitive to life and would flush as many as they can down toilets and even have them run over by vehicles if that would reduce 2 to 1

So, Africa is not part of the “pie chart”?
E go pass China own ke!

Sorry, abortion topics are stale to me. Nothing warm about it.

What is your POINT besides having a discussion?
We have read you.
What next?

Daeylar:
Wow, this is very insensitive to women, you can't tell a woman who her body belongs to, her body belongs to her and her alone, point blank. End of discussion


Furthermore you have absolutely no right to tell a rape victim what to do with her pregnancy if she got pregnant as a result of the rape, that's very insensitive and outright annoying.
The woman was raped, yet you want her to carry that reminder of rape for 9 months without her opinion on the issue, that's just disgusting and insensitive. I have no words, for you to actually think you have the right to tell a rape victim what to do with her pregnancy. Just wow.

A woman's body belongs to her and her alone, let that sink in.

You have absolutely no right to tell a rape victim what to do with a pregnancy as a result of rape, let that sink in also.

Do you think life is rosy in motherless babies homes?

These are just the issues I have with your write up,
The rest is your personal opinion which you are entitled to.

I'm pro do whatever is best for you and the child

It is easy for a man to be against abortion. They do not carry the pregnancy, neither endure the pains of delivery, neither quit their jobs to take care of babies, neither carry the stigma of single motherhood when the father decides to disappear, neither suffer from postpartum depression, neither risk their lives to give life.

The moment abortion is outlawed, is the moment women undergo it in shady surroundings and are not protected from any butcher's dirty hands.

My vagina, my choice.

Nuff said!

butterflyl1on:
I want to believe you are older than Darkrebel especially since you already said you have worked in an abortion clinic some 30 years ago so I would take a wild guess to assume you are in your 50s.

Show some tact please.

What kind of tact do you want again?
The reason I tell you your discussion is STALE.
It is over 500 years old. Please, show some originality that befits your “young brain”.

What new info have you provided so far?

Who cares when conception takes place?

Is the BABY wanted or NOT?

KanwuliaExtra:
So, Africa is not part of the “pie chart”?
E go pass China own ke!

Sorry, abortion topics are stale to me. Nothing warm about it.

What is your POINT besides having a discussion?
We have read you.
What next?

Nigeria has a problem with information gathering and keeping.

The point if this thread as a pro lifer which I am is to sample opinions and discuss these opinions to see if this is the ONLY option we have as a people or as women. Is abortion the best and final option in rape related pregnancies? Is that the last option in unprepared pregnancies which a lot term as UNWANTED?

is the problem the baby in the womb or the assailant or the woman herself who is carrying the baby? Is it her support group or lack of one? Does counselling work? Can it work?

How hard are we willing to push for life or do we do easily resign to death?

KanwuliaExtra:
No worries.
I am very apathetic to these kinds of topics.
Why worry about what you can’t control?

If you are such a humanitarian, why not open a world wide shelter and take in all the abandoned babies you may probably traffick to the highest bidders for slavery or rituals?

Thou protest to much abeg

Blame your super murderer God.
In his own image and likeness abi?

Being apathetic to matters of life and death only bolsters my claim of you being a psychopath sociopath. Dear, you are not meant to be apathetic to such issues. If your definition of being apathetic meant a reticence of speech then it would have being better. But your apathy takes the form of thought-less and carefree speech, which is insensitively callous.

I am not a humanitarian. I care for myself and my family alone most times. So you see, I'm somewhat selfish, but are't we all?
Murder–especially of babies–, and crimes against children are what bother me most.

If I had the means I would open a "world wide shelter".

I'm not a believer of God. At least not in the God or gods of organized religions. I believe in the possibility of a god or gods or supernatural entity or entities, but I also believe in the impossibility of a god or gods or a supernatural entity or entities.
I don't have to be religious before I speak against MURDER. I only have to be humanist, which I am.

butterflyl1on:
Nigeria has a problem with information gathering and keeping.

The point if this thread as a pro lifer which I am is to sample opinions and discuss these opinions to see if this is the ONLY option we have as a people or as women. Is abortion the best and final option in rape related pregnancies? Is that the last option in unprepared pregnancies which a lot term as UNWANTED?

is the problem the baby in the womb or the assailant or the woman herself who is carrying the baby? Is it her support group or lack of one? Does counselling work? Can it work?

How hard are we willing to push for life or do we do easily resign to death?

You are a pro lifer?
Are you the first or last on NL?
If you are a MAN, you have absolutely no business discussing abortion topics because YOU can NEVER understand how it affects girls or women.

You are simply not qualified to discuss it.
Simple.
Please exit YOUR thread quietly.

Mindfulness:
It is easy for a man to be against abortion. They do not carry the pregnancy, neither endure the pains of delivery, neither quit their jobs to take care of babies, neither carry the stigma of single motherhood when the father decides to disappear, neither suffer from postpartum depression, neither risk their lives to give life.

The moment abortion is outlawed, is the moment women undergo it in shady surroundings and are not protected from any butcher's dirty hands.

My vagina, my choice.

Nuff said!

ironically, a lot of men promote abortion. As a woman you already came factory fitted for conception, delivery and post delivery nursing.

Is the pain during delivery enough to kill a baby in the womb? Jobs have alternatives. Being your own boss is the best job you can have.

Single parenthood holds no stigma. You only choose to embrace the so called stigma you see but you can also choose to see it and ignore it and live your life.

It may be your vagina but it came prepared to take and give. So in a sense it isn't essentially yours. It's simply a tool.

butterflyl1on:
ironically, a lot of men promote abortion. As a woman you already came factory fitted for conception, delivery and post delivery nursing.

Is the pain during delivery enough to kill a baby in the womb? Jobs have alternatives. Being your own boss is the best job you can have.

Single parenthood holds no stigma. You only choose to embrace the so called stigma you see but you can also choose to see it and ignore it and live your life.

It may be your vagina but it came prepared to take and give. So in a sense it isn't essentially yours. It's simply a tool.

https://cdn2.momjunction.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1.jpg

Do the first seven pictures look like a baby to you?
A fertilized egg is just that a fertilized egg.

Now go and visit and orphanage and let's talk again.

DarkRebel69:
Being apathetic to matters of life and death only bolsters my claim of you being a psychopath sociopath. Dear, you are not meant to be apathetic to such issues. If your definition of being apathetic meant a reticence of speech then it would have being better. But your apathy takes the form of thought-less and carefree speech, which is insensitively callous.

I am not a humanitarian. I care for myself and my family alone most times. So you see, I'm somewhat selfish, but are't we all are?
Murder–especially of babies–, and crimes against children are what bother me most.

If I had the means I would open a "world wide shelter".

I'm not a believer of God. At least not in the God or gods of organized religions. I believe in the possibility of a god or gods or supernatural entity or entities, but I also believe in the impossibility of a god or gods or a supernatural entity or entities.
I don't have to be religious before I speak against MURDER. I only have to be humanist, which I am.

If you are a BOY or MAN, you are not qualified to discuss abortion topics.
Save your time and seek your level of understanding prior to using your fingers.

Thanks.

butterflyl1on:
ironically, a lot of men promote abortion. As a woman you already came factory fitted for conception, delivery and post delivery nursing.

Is the pain during delivery enough to kill a baby in the womb? Jobs have alternatives. Being your own boss is the best job you can have.

Single parenthood holds no stigma. You only choose to embrace the so called stigma you see but you can also choose to see it and ignore it and live your life.

It may be your vagina but it came prepared to take and give. So in a sense it isn't essentially yours. It's simply a tool.

This statement from someone who claims to be pro-life.
Your kidneys are also only tools, one would be enough, how about you donate it to save someone's life?

Mindfulness:
https://cdn2.momjunction.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1.jpg

Do the first seven pictures look like a baby to you?
A fertilized egg is just that a fertilized egg.

Now go and visit and orphanage and let's talk again.

Stop getting it twisted. a fertilised egg is not yet an embryo. It is a zygote. There is a difference.

Once implantation occurs then life begins. Life begins at conception not fertilisation.

If you feel you can give yourself some validation using those pictures then you are sadly misinformed.

butterflyl1on:
Stop getting it twisted. a fertilised egg is not yet an embryo. It is a zygote. There is a difference.

Once implantation occurs then life begins. Life begins at conception not fertilisation.

If you feel you can give yourself some validation using those pictures then you are sadly misinformed.

Some people argue it begins in the moment of fertilization.
A simple yes or no will do, do the first seven pictures look like a baby to you?

butterflyl1on:


I love this. It's all about choices. Those who do carry out abortions are seen by those who don't as wicked. Those who keep their babies and refuse to abort are seen by the other side as stupid. Nobody seems to realise that it's all about choices and ones best interest which sometimes may affect the baby for good or for bad.
Thanks for this

Yes, I'll never blame anyone for the choices they make, if you walk miles in their shoes, one might be able to understand their position and thinking..

But in essence, this is still Africa, single motherhood tend to come with lot of stigma and issues, the girl faces the whole thing, she's the one to drop outta school, raise a child, find it difficult to see love after expect in a few lucky cases..the boy goes on to become an "hero" and has everything back on track..

Believe me, single parenthood is nothing something you would want to experience... it drains

Thank you

KanwuliaExtra:
If you are a BOY or MAN, you are not qualified to discuss abortion topics.
Save your time and seek your level of understanding prior to using your fingers.

Thanks.

If you are a GIRL or WOMAN, you are not fit to discuss mid-life crisis in men. If you are not Asian, you are not fit to discuss Asian politics. That's how lousy your rationale is.

Just admit your brain is water-logged at the moment. Murderer.

KanwuliaExtra:
You are a pro lifer?
Are you the first or last on NL?
If you are a MAN, you have absolutely no business discussing abortion topics because YOU can NEVER understand how it affects girls or women.

You are simple not qualified to discuss it.
Simple.
Please exit YOUR thread quietly.

Because only women suffer the consequences of abortions? Take this for example: A woman has had multiple abortions and suffers complications, she gets married at some later date, but she is unable to bear children due to the complications. Now, does the choice of her actions not affect her husband who is probably none the wiser about her antecedents?

Daeylar:
Wow, this is very insensitive to women, you can't tell a woman who her body belongs to, her body belongs to her and her alone, point blank. End of discussion

If you put money in a bank, does the money belong to the bank and the bank alone? Answer this.

Furthermore you have absolutely no right to tell a rape victim what to do with her pregnancy if she got pregnant as a result of the rape, that's very insensitive and outright annoying.
The woman was raped, yet you want her to carry that reminder of rape for 9 months without her opinion on the issue, that's just disgusting and insensitive. I have no words, for you to actually think you have the right to tell a rape victim what to do with her pregnancy. Just wow.

A woman's body belongs to her and her alone, let that sink in.

You have absolutely no right to tell a rape victim what to do with a pregnancy as a result of rape, let that sink in also.

Do you think life is rosy in motherless babies homes?

These are just the issues I have with your write up,
The rest is your personal opinion which you are entitled to.

I'm pro do whatever is best for you and the child

If you were paying any attention rather than rapidly skimming through so as to give a quick response, then you would have seen where I made concessions in the cases of "rape" and when "the birth of a child poses a grave danger to the mother's life". Do you need a pince-nez?

Mindfulness:
https://cdn2.momjunction.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1.jpg

Do the first seven pictures look like a baby to you?
A fertilized egg is just that a fertilized egg.

Now go and visit and orphanage and let's talk again.

Why don’t you go to work in China?
I think you will open many orphanages dia o.
Big market for your pro-life abortion movement.

Mindfulness:
Watched the first five minutes, realized that it is nothing I have not heard before, stopped watching it. I am still pro-choice and you better donate a kidney to save a life since this is so important to you.

Why do u and I share so many things in common? Nice one sist! (There's no emoji for thumbs up on Nairaland).

butterflyl1on:
My mind is relaxed. I am simply appalled at the cold manner you make your comments as if nothing matters and life is worth less than a roll of tissue paper to you.

Abortion is still a worldwide problem. In fact it is getting out of hand.

In China alone due to mass abortions and the 1 child rule everyone now has become insensitive to life and would flush as many as they can down toilets and even have them run over by vehicles if that would reduce 2 to 1

I'm not sure about your "worldwide problem"

You see it as a problem.

The different countries you showed their statistics don't see it as such..

Some see it as a means of population control, some see it as a means of empowering others.


Illegal abortion may be a problem in 3rd world countries due to the quacks that do it, but in places that it's done safely, it's not seen as a problem.

However, maybe from your moralistic point of view or religious point of view YOU may see it as wrong, but not necessarily a problem.