You cannot use the following "arguments":

1. Quoting scripture. The Bible and Quran are not tangible nor reliable evidence for the existence of a god. The Bible and Quran were crafted from scriptures written by people over the past 3 to 1 thousand years. There is no evidence of any 'supernatural' involvement in their creation.

2. Claim that you had a 'personal experience' with god. This is anecdotal and does not hold up to greater scrutiny.

3. Change the discussion to a debate about whether or not god doesn't exist. This topic is solely about your proof and reasoning for a sentient creator creature, namely the God of the Bible, Allah of the Quran, or some unknown entity, being the creator of the universe, from time to quasars to planetary formation to the first life, having dimensions(?) like heaven or hell where the carbon-water sacks known as Humans (and only Humans? Is there a heaven for Neanderthals? Homo Erectus?) somehow(?) go to after they perish, and proof (if you are a Christian or Muslim) of their interaction with the human race, and their reasons for their rules and laws. It is not about evidence of nonexistence.


Go ahead.

You don't need a proof. Rock your life the way you want.

NgcoboP:
You don't need a proof. Rock your life the way you want.

Whew, we've got quite the inquisitive one here folks.


This is a question for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Deists and others of monotheistic faith. If you are seeking to derail the topic, please leave the thread, otherwise you will be reported.

Una don start again.
I thought you guys have been defeated over and over again.
For the upteenth time, God exist.

Ioseph:


Whew, we've got quite the inquisitive one here folks.


This is a question for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Deists and others of monotheistic faith. If you are seeking to derail the topic, please leave the thread, otherwise you will be reported.

Go ahead and report. I have spoken. You don't need a proof from anyone. Continue rocking your life.

rafhell:
Una don start again.
I thought you guys have been defeated over and over again.
For the upteenth time, God exist.

Don't waste your time.

Ioseph:
You cannot use the following "arguments":

1. Quoting scripture. The Bible and Quran are not tangible nor reliable evidence for the existence of a god. The Bible and Quran were crafted from scriptures written by people over the past 3 to 1 thousand years. There is no evidence of any 'supernatural' involvement in their creation.

2. Claim that you had a 'personal experience' with god. This is anecdotal and does not hold up to greater scrutiny.

3. Change the discussion to a debate about whether or not god doesn't exist. This topic is solely about your proof and reasoning for a sentient creator creature, namely the God of the Bible, Allah of the Quran, or some unknown entity, being the creator of the universe, from time to quasars to planetary formation to the first life, having dimensions(?) like heaven or hell where the carbon-water sacks known as Humans (and only Humans? Is there a heaven for Neanderthals? Homo Erectus?) somehow(?) go to after they perish, and proof (if you are a Christian or Muslim) of their interaction with the human race, and their reasons for their rules and laws. It is not about evidence of nonexistence.


Go ahead.

Are eckists and satanists allowed?

NairalandSARS:


Are eckists and satanists allowed?

You are at home absolutely.

Ioseph:
You cannot use the following "arguments":

1. Quoting scripture. The Bible and Quran are not tangible nor reliable evidence for the existence of a god. The Bible and Quran were crafted from scriptures written by people over the past 3 to 1 thousand years. There is no evidence of any 'supernatural' involvement in their creation.

2. Claim that you had a 'personal experience' with god. This is anecdotal and does not hold up to greater scrutiny.

3. Change the discussion to a debate about whether or not god doesn't exist. This topic is solely about your proof and reasoning for a sentient creator creature, namely the God of the Bible, Allah of the Quran, or some unknown entity, being the creator of the universe, from time to quasars to planetary formation to the first life, having dimensions(?) like heaven or hell where the carbon-water sacks known as Humans (and only Humans? Is there a heaven for Neanderthals? Homo Erectus?) somehow(?) go to after they perish, and proof (if you are a Christian or Muslim) of their interaction with the human race, and their reasons for their rules and laws. It is not about evidence of nonexistence.


Go ahead.

If you can't believe any of the records you hear, read and see, then you can simply hang yourself and go find your answers afterlife.
Then you'd know if GOD exists or not.

MistadeRegal:


If you can't believe any of the records you hear, read and see, then you can simply hang yourself and go find your answers afterlife.
Then you'd know if GOD exists or not.

lol...u r funny bt i think i'm with you on this,since he dnt belief anything here,let him go and find out himself.

If you don't want any of the threads about the existence of God,

I don't have any valid proof for you.

You have chosen a believe system.

Walk that path.

Ioseph:


Whew, we've got quite the inquisitive one here folks.


This is a question for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Deists and others of monotheistic faith. If you are seeking to derail the topic, please leave the thread, otherwise you will be reported.

I take your challenge as a traditionalist.... But first....which part of natural philosophy do you want us to begin with...


Cosmology ,ontology, metaphysical or epistemology.... Pick anyone....you can as well choose all...



Before you go ahead...remember science has a limitation

Didov1:
lol...u r funny bt i think i'm with you on this,since he dnt belief anything here,let him go and find out himself.

Since he doesn't believe any record or scripture here on earth, he can go ahead and make research himself.

vaxx:
I take your challenge as a traditionalist.... But first....which part of natural philosophy do you want us to begin with...


Cosmology ,ontology, metaphysical or epistemology.... Pick anyone....you can as well choose all...



Before you go an ahead...remember science has a limitation

Even Devil know GOD exist and fear HIM.
How much more a mere mortal!?

Ioseph


I Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God ( Please note that the use of God here specifically refers to the cosmic designer ) . To the pantheist , God refers to the totality of everything , this may or may not include the cosmic designer )

1. Whatever begins to Exist must have a cause

2. The universe begins to exist

3. Therefore , the universe has a cause

The cause of the universe is God

Now your task as an atheist (please note that atheism in its truth does not deny the existence of the cosmic designer but its deification ) , show the incoherence in this argument


II Here is argument for the existence of God just based on the applicability of mathematics in our physical world . Here is its syllogistic form :


1. If God did not exist, the applicability of mathematics would be a happy coincidence.

2. The applicability of mathematics is not a happy coincidence.

3. Therefore, God exists.

Mathematics is seen as the language of nature . Since mathematical objects are mind-dependent and nature is written in this language , then its corollary is to affirm the existence of a mind

Your task as an atheist is to show incoherence in this argument

III Here is the third argument for God's existence as the best explanation for intentional states of consciousness.

1. If God did not exist, intentional states of consciousness would not exist.

2. But intentional states of consciousness do exist.

3. Therefore, God exists.

Your task as an atheist is to the incoherence in this argument , I await your rebuttal .

Ioseph:
You cannot use the following "arguments":
1. Quoting scripture. The Bible and Quran are not tangible nor reliable evidence for the existence of a god. The Bible and Quran were crafted from scriptures written by people over the past 3 to 1 thousand years. There is no evidence of any 'supernatural' involvement in their creation.

2. Claim that you had a 'personal experience' with god. This is anecdotal and does not hold up to greater scrutiny.

3. Change the discussion to a debate about whether or not god doesn't exist. This topic is solely about your proof and reasoning for a sentient creator creature, namely the God of the Bible, Allah of the Quran, or some unknown entity, being the creator of the universe, from time to quasars to planetary formation to the first life, having dimensions(?) like heaven or hell where the carbon-water sacks known as Humans (and only Humans? Is there a heaven for Neanderthals? Homo Erectus?) somehow(?) go to after they perish, and proof (if you are a Christian or Muslim) of their interaction with the human race, and their reasons for their rules and laws. It is not about evidence of nonexistence.


Go ahead.

Utter garbage anyway .

Read this and receive sense

https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/god-without-religion-religion-without/

Atheism DOES NOT REJECT RELIGION . The existence of God is not a religious belief .

Its apparent you don't know who THE DEISTS are , they reject religious beliefs like heaven or hell ; or religious books like the Bible and Koran and still they acknowledge the existence of God ; or anecdotes that suggest that God intervenes in the universe . What you have up there have absolutely nothing to do with the existence of God(the cosmic designer ) .

KingEbukasBlog:


Utter garbage anyway .

Read this and receive sense

https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/god-without-religion-religion-without/

Atheism DOES NOT REJECT RELIGION . The existence of God is not a religious belief .

Its apparent you don't know who THE DEISTS are , they reject religious beliefs like heaven or hell ; or religious books like the Bible and Koran and still they acknowledge the existence of God ; or anecdotes that suggest that God intervenes in the universe . What you have up there have absolutely nothing to do with the existence of God(the cosmic designer ) .

Looks like someone didn't read number 3.

CoolUsername:


Looks like someone didn't read number 3.

Hmmm , yeah . But he mixed up everything though . You have to admit , some of it didnt make sense . You cant blame me na .

MistadeRegal:


Even Devil know GOD exist and fear HIM.
How much more a mere mortal!?

When will u guys start using your brains to make an argument? This is the most stupid thing I have read from an apologist. So you mean to tell us that the devil you invented believe the god you invented exist so mortals should fear that fictional god?

I am deist by the way and I will soon come up with a counter to the OP but I need to plead with you first, if u do not have a smart argument, stop fouling this thread with this kind of unintelligent argument. U are making the rest of us look bad.

NPComplete:


When will u guys start using your brains to make an argument? This is the most stupid thing I have read from an apologist. So you mean to tell us that the devil you invented believe the god you invented exist so mortals should fear that fictional god?

I am deist by the way and I will soon come up with a counter to the OP but I need to plead with you first, if u do not have a smart argument, stop fouling this thread with this kind of unintelligent argument. U are making the rest of us look bad.

And where was your brain when mentioning my comment?
I give no damn of whoever you are. Either you be an Atheist, JW, Mormon, Deist or whoever you think or know you are.
Don't ever refer to me as such typed above by you.
You can come up with as many counter-thread as you like/want but don't ever mention me again if you don't have something reasonable to say.
Be warned.

If you also think GOD is fictional, join him on the suicide line and go find out for yourself afterlife if GOD is fictional or non-fictional. Because as long as you remain a mortal, you can hardly see a spirit-being not to talk of GOD which you are bound to have a pure heart before HE can even in HIS great mercy manifest HIMSELF to you.
And I mean PURE HEART.

MistadeRegal:

Even Devil know GOD exist and fear HIM. How much more a mere mortal!?

even Lord Voldemort knows harry potter exists
even Lex Luthor knows Batman exists
do you now see the error of your ways?

hopefulLandlord:

even Lord Voldemort knows harry potter exists
even Lex Luthor knows Batman exists
do you now see the error of your ways?

Go spiritual. Think spiritual. See spiritual. Discern spiritual. Because your above statemmment is as a result of watching too many comics. These makes no sense to me puny mortal... Don't quote me again I repeat unless you have something reasonable.

MistadeRegal:


Go spiritual.
Think spiritual.
See spiritual.
Discern spiritual.
Because your above statemmment is as a result of watching too many comics.
These makes no sense to me puny mortal...
Don't quote me again I repeat unless you have something reasonable.

And u think what u just said was reasonable?

Dnt jst worry, u dnt nid any prove. u wl nt live in dis world 4eva, whn u die u we discova it urslf. i pray dat it wuld'nt b too late 4 u.

MistadeRegal:


If you can't believe any of the records you hear, read and see, then you can simply hang yourself and go find your answers afterlife.
Then you'd know if GOD exists or not.

Smony:
Dnt jst worry, u dnt nid any prove. u wl nt live in dis world 4eva, whn u die u we discova it urslf. i pray dat it wuld'nt b too late 4 u.

I still don't get how I used to think humans will/must have an after-life.... Just because they are "special". I never thought of an after-live for a rat, monkey, or squirrels; my thoughts were dogmatic and myopic. I failed to see how no less of an animal we are, biologically. We share the same limitations with every living thing and no amount of wishful thinking will change that.

Nuhvey:

And u think what u just said was reasonable?

I Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
That is why I'm not surprised at your way of thinking/reasoning.
Draw closer to GOD and know more.

ScepticalPyrrho:
I still don't get how I used to think humans will/must have an after-life.... Just because they are "special". I never thought of an after-live for a rat, monkey, or squirrels; my thoughts were dogmatic and myopic. I failed to see how no less of an animal we are, biologically. We share the same limitations with every living thing and no amount of wishful thinking will change that.

The earlier you begin to realize the better.
Because I know you don't believe in the reality of neither Heaven nor Hell.
Not everything about scientific theories are true.

MistadeRegal:


The earlier you begin to realize the better.
Because I know you don't believe in the reality of neither Heaven nor Hell.
Not everything about scientific theories are true.

What do you mean by reality?

This is as real as it gets, don't live in self-deceipt.

MistadeRegal:


I Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
That is why I'm not surprised at your way of thinking/reasoning.
Draw closer to GOD and know more.

Oh, so the things which u speak of are unreasonable and foolish to the natural man but u want him to quote you only when he has something reasonable to say?

ScepticalPyrrho:
What do you mean by reality?

This is as real as it gets, don't live in self-deceipt.

I'm not the first to tell you this neither will I be the last. But you should know the truth you chose to ignore.

Nuhvey:

Oh, so the things which u speak of are unreasonable and foolish to the natural man but u want him to quote you only when he has something reasonable to say?

Sorry dude. But you aren't making any sense with this.