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Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Ioseph(m): 11:20am On Oct 12, 2017
You cannot use the following "arguments":

1. Quoting scripture. The Bible and Quran are not tangible nor reliable evidence for the existence of a god. The Bible and Quran were crafted from scriptures written by people over the past 3 to 1 thousand years. There is no evidence of any 'supernatural' involvement in their creation.

2. Claim that you had a 'personal experience' with god. This is anecdotal and does not hold up to greater scrutiny.

3. Change the discussion to a debate about whether or not god doesn't exist. This topic is solely about your proof and reasoning for a sentient creator creature, namely the God of the Bible, Allah of the Quran, or some unknown entity, being the creator of the universe, from time to quasars to planetary formation to the first life, having dimensions(?) like heaven or hell where the carbon-water sacks known as Humans (and only Humans? Is there a heaven for Neanderthals? Homo Erectus?) somehow(?) go to after they perish, and proof (if you are a Christian or Muslim) of their interaction with the human race, and their reasons for their rules and laws. It is not about evidence of nonexistence.


Go ahead.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Nobody: 11:21am On Oct 12, 2017
You don't need a proof. Rock your life the way you want.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Ioseph(m): 11:25am On Oct 12, 2017
NgcoboP:
You don't need a proof. Rock your life the way you want.

Whew, we've got quite the inquisitive one here folks.


This is a question for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Deists and others of monotheistic faith. If you are seeking to derail the topic, please leave the thread, otherwise you will be reported.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by rafhell(m): 11:27am On Oct 12, 2017
Una don start again.
I thought you guys have been defeated over and over again.
For the upteenth time, God exist.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Nobody: 11:27am On Oct 12, 2017
Ioseph:


Whew, we've got quite the inquisitive one here folks.


This is a question for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Deists and others of monotheistic faith. If you are seeking to derail the topic, please leave the thread, otherwise you will be reported.
Go ahead and report. I have spoken. You don't need a proof from anyone. Continue rocking your life.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Nobody: 11:28am On Oct 12, 2017
rafhell:
Una don start again.
I thought you guys have been defeated over and over again.
For the upteenth time, God exist.
Don't waste your time.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by NairalandSARS: 11:29am On Oct 12, 2017
Ioseph:
You cannot use the following "arguments":

1. Quoting scripture. The Bible and Quran are not tangible nor reliable evidence for the existence of a god. The Bible and Quran were crafted from scriptures written by people over the past 3 to 1 thousand years. There is no evidence of any 'supernatural' involvement in their creation.

2. Claim that you had a 'personal experience' with god. This is anecdotal and does not hold up to greater scrutiny.

3. Change the discussion to a debate about whether or not god doesn't exist. This topic is solely about your proof and reasoning for a sentient creator creature, namely the God of the Bible, Allah of the Quran, or some unknown entity, being the creator of the universe, from time to quasars to planetary formation to the first life, having dimensions(?) like heaven or hell where the carbon-water sacks known as Humans (and only Humans? Is there a heaven for Neanderthals? Homo Erectus?) somehow(?) go to after they perish, and proof (if you are a Christian or Muslim) of their interaction with the human race, and their reasons for their rules and laws. It is not about evidence of nonexistence.


Go ahead.

Are eckists and satanists allowed?
Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Nobody: 11:32am On Oct 12, 2017
NairalandSARS:


Are eckists and satanists allowed?
You are at home absolutely.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by MistadeRegal(m): 11:43am On Oct 12, 2017
Ioseph:
You cannot use the following "arguments":

1. Quoting scripture. The Bible and Quran are not tangible nor reliable evidence for the existence of a god. The Bible and Quran were crafted from scriptures written by people over the past 3 to 1 thousand years. There is no evidence of any 'supernatural' involvement in their creation.

2. Claim that you had a 'personal experience' with god. This is anecdotal and does not hold up to greater scrutiny.

3. Change the discussion to a debate about whether or not god doesn't exist. This topic is solely about your proof and reasoning for a sentient creator creature, namely the God of the Bible, Allah of the Quran, or some unknown entity, being the creator of the universe, from time to quasars to planetary formation to the first life, having dimensions(?) like heaven or hell where the carbon-water sacks known as Humans (and only Humans? Is there a heaven for Neanderthals? Homo Erectus?) somehow(?) go to after they perish, and proof (if you are a Christian or Muslim) of their interaction with the human race, and their reasons for their rules and laws. It is not about evidence of nonexistence.


Go ahead.

If you can't believe any of the records you hear, read and see, then you can simply hang yourself and go find your answers afterlife.
Then you'd know if GOD exists or not.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Didov1(f): 12:33pm On Oct 12, 2017
MistadeRegal:


If you can't believe any of the records you hear, read and see, then you can simply hang yourself and go find your answers afterlife.
Then you'd know if GOD exists or not.
lol...u r funny bt i think i'm with you on this,since he dnt belief anything here,let him go and find out himself.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Originakalokalo(m): 12:36pm On Oct 12, 2017
If you don't want any of the threads about the existence of God,

I don't have any valid proof for you.

You have chosen a believe system.

Walk that path.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Nobody: 2:00pm On Oct 12, 2017
You want a proof of what u cannot have in your nature? Till you attain the crux of spirituality, you will not find proof unless it finds you like how grace n truth found Paul. We can extrapolate from a saying that "out of sight is out of mind" is the scriptural faith we practice . But to the world, the unbelievers believe it's insanity because they can't comprehend the things of God who is spirit. But they that seek him must seek n worship him in spirit n in truth.

There are principles to follow if you must find God. You can't approach a city without using the gates except you're a thief. But there's a way n a door to the father nd the way is the son , Jesus (john14:6). He's knocking at the door(your heart) asking you to let him in so he can commune with u. (Rev 3:20) .


Jesus will take you to the father if you accept him; This is the promise. But you must live a holy life worthy of emulation if u must see GOD cuz Without holiness no man can see GOD (Hebrews 12:14)


Let no man deceive you, the kingdom of God as in kings/GOD's domain is in a man who has accepted Christ and obeys his teachings of love, faith, righteousness n holiness .

If you can follow these principles, then you're close. If you can't then good luck on your quest for proof...

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by vaxx: 2:42pm On Oct 12, 2017
Ioseph:


Whew, we've got quite the inquisitive one here folks.


This is a question for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Deists and others of monotheistic faith. If you are seeking to derail the topic, please leave the thread, otherwise you will be reported.
I take your challenge as a traditionalist.... But first....which part of natural philosophy do you want us to begin with...


Cosmology ,ontology, metaphysical or epistemology.... Pick anyone....you can as well choose all...



Before you go ahead...remember science has a limitation

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by MistadeRegal(m): 10:19pm On Oct 12, 2017
Didov1:
lol...u r funny bt i think i'm with you on this,since he dnt belief anything here,let him go and find out himself.

Since he doesn't believe any record or scripture here on earth, he can go ahead and make research himself.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by MistadeRegal(m): 10:21pm On Oct 12, 2017
vaxx:
I take your challenge as a traditionalist.... But first....which part of natural philosophy do you want us to begin with...


Cosmology ,ontology, metaphysical or epistemology.... Pick anyone....you can as well choose all...



Before you go an ahead...remember science has a limitation

Even Devil know GOD exist and fear HIM.
How much more a mere mortal!?
Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:38pm On Oct 12, 2017
Ioseph


I Cosmological Argument for the Existence of God ( Please note that the use of God here specifically refers to the cosmic designer ) . To the pantheist , God refers to the totality of everything , this may or may not include the cosmic designer )

1. Whatever begins to Exist must have a cause

2. The universe begins to exist

3. Therefore , the universe has a cause

The cause of the universe is God

Now your task as an atheist (please note that atheism in its truth does not deny the existence of the cosmic designer but its deification ) , show the incoherence in this argument


II Here is argument for the existence of God just based on the applicability of mathematics in our physical world . Here is its syllogistic form :


1. If God did not exist, the applicability of mathematics would be a happy coincidence.

2. The applicability of mathematics is not a happy coincidence.

3. Therefore, God exists.

Mathematics is seen as the language of nature . Since mathematical objects are mind-dependent and nature is written in this language , then its corollary is to affirm the existence of a mind

Your task as an atheist is to show incoherence in this argument

III Here is the third argument for God's existence as the best explanation for intentional states of consciousness.

1. If God did not exist, intentional states of consciousness would not exist.

2. But intentional states of consciousness do exist.

3. Therefore, God exists.

Your task as an atheist is to the incoherence in this argument , I await your rebuttal .

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:52pm On Oct 12, 2017
Ioseph:
You cannot use the following "arguments":
1. Quoting scripture. The Bible and Quran are not tangible nor reliable evidence for the existence of a god. The Bible and Quran were crafted from scriptures written by people over the past 3 to 1 thousand years. There is no evidence of any 'supernatural' involvement in their creation.

2. Claim that you had a 'personal experience' with god. This is anecdotal and does not hold up to greater scrutiny.

3. Change the discussion to a debate about whether or not god doesn't exist. This topic is solely about your proof and reasoning for a sentient creator creature, namely the God of the Bible, Allah of the Quran, or some unknown entity, being the creator of the universe, from time to quasars to planetary formation to the first life, having dimensions(?) like heaven or hell where the carbon-water sacks known as Humans (and only Humans? Is there a heaven for Neanderthals? Homo Erectus?) somehow(?) go to after they perish, and proof (if you are a Christian or Muslim) of their interaction with the human race, and their reasons for their rules and laws. It is not about evidence of nonexistence.


Go ahead.

Utter garbage anyway .

Read this and receive sense

https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/god-without-religion-religion-without/

Atheism DOES NOT REJECT RELIGION . The existence of God is not a religious belief .

Its apparent you don't know who THE DEISTS are , they reject religious beliefs like heaven or hell ; or religious books like the Bible and Koran and still they acknowledge the existence of God ; or anecdotes that suggest that God intervenes in the universe . What you have up there have absolutely nothing to do with the existence of God(the cosmic designer ) .

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by CoolUsername: 12:31am On Oct 13, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:


Utter garbage anyway .

Read this and receive sense

https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/god-without-religion-religion-without/

Atheism DOES NOT REJECT RELIGION . The existence of God is not a religious belief .

Its apparent you don't know who THE DEISTS are , they reject religious beliefs like heaven or hell ; or religious books like the Bible and Koran and still they acknowledge the existence of God ; or anecdotes that suggest that God intervenes in the universe . What you have up there have absolutely nothing to do with the existence of God(the cosmic designer ) .

Looks like someone didn't read number 3.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:00am On Oct 13, 2017
CoolUsername:


Looks like someone didn't read number 3.

Hmmm , yeah . But he mixed up everything though . You have to admit , some of it didnt make sense . You cant blame me na .
Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by NPComplete: 7:03am On Oct 13, 2017
MistadeRegal:


Even Devil know GOD exist and fear HIM.
How much more a mere mortal!?

When will u guys start using your brains to make an argument? This is the most stupid thing I have read from an apologist. So you mean to tell us that the devil you invented believe the god you invented exist so mortals should fear that fictional god?

I am deist by the way and I will soon come up with a counter to the OP but I need to plead with you first, if u do not have a smart argument, stop fouling this thread with this kind of unintelligent argument. U are making the rest of us look bad.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by MistadeRegal(m): 1:23am On Oct 14, 2017
NPComplete:


When will u guys start using your brains to make an argument? This is the most stupid thing I have read from an apologist. So you mean to tell us that the devil you invented believe the god you invented exist so mortals should fear that fictional god?

I am deist by the way and I will soon come up with a counter to the OP but I need to plead with you first, if u do not have a smart argument, stop fouling this thread with this kind of unintelligent argument. U are making the rest of us look bad.

And where was your brain when mentioning my comment?
I give no damn of whoever you are. Either you be an Atheist, JW, Mormon, Deist or whoever you think or know you are.
Don't ever refer to me as such typed above by you.
You can come up with as many counter-thread as you like/want but don't ever mention me again if you don't have something reasonable to say.
Be warned.

If you also think GOD is fictional, join him on the suicide line and go find out for yourself afterlife if GOD is fictional or non-fictional. Because as long as you remain a mortal, you can hardly see a spirit-being not to talk of GOD which you are bound to have a pure heart before HE can even in HIS great mercy manifest HIMSELF to you.
And I mean PURE HEART.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by hopefulLandlord: 2:42am On Oct 14, 2017
MistadeRegal:

Even Devil know GOD exist and fear HIM. How much more a mere mortal!?
even Lord Voldemort knows harry potter exists
even Lex Luthor knows Batman exists
do you now see the error of your ways?

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by MistadeRegal(m): 4:28pm On Oct 14, 2017
hopefulLandlord:

even Lord Voldemort knows harry potter exists
even Lex Luthor knows Batman exists
do you now see the error of your ways?
Go spiritual. Think spiritual. See spiritual. Discern spiritual. Because your above statemmment is as a result of watching too many comics. These makes no sense to me puny mortal... Don't quote me again I repeat unless you have something reasonable.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Nuhvey(m): 5:03pm On Oct 14, 2017
MistadeRegal:


Go spiritual.
Think spiritual.
See spiritual.
Discern spiritual.
Because your above statemmment is as a result of watching too many comics.
These makes no sense to me puny mortal...
Don't quote me again I repeat unless you have something reasonable.
And u think what u just said was reasonable?

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Smony: 5:11pm On Oct 14, 2017
Dnt jst worry, u dnt nid any prove. u wl nt live in dis world 4eva, whn u die u we discova it urslf. i pray dat it wuld'nt b too late 4 u.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by ScepticalPyrrho: 7:02pm On Oct 14, 2017
MistadeRegal:


If you can't believe any of the records you hear, read and see, then you can simply hang yourself and go find your answers afterlife.
Then you'd know if GOD exists or not.
Smony:
Dnt jst worry, u dnt nid any prove. u wl nt live in dis world 4eva, whn u die u we discova it urslf. i pray dat it wuld'nt b too late 4 u.
I still don't get how I used to think humans will/must have an after-life.... Just because they are "special". I never thought of an after-live for a rat, monkey, or squirrels; my thoughts were dogmatic and myopic. I failed to see how no less of an animal we are, biologically. We share the same limitations with every living thing and no amount of wishful thinking will change that.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by MistadeRegal(m): 8:12pm On Oct 14, 2017
Nuhvey:

And u think what u just said was reasonable?

I Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
That is why I'm not surprised at your way of thinking/reasoning.
Draw closer to GOD and know more.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by MistadeRegal(m): 8:16pm On Oct 14, 2017
ScepticalPyrrho:
I still don't get how I used to think humans will/must have an after-life.... Just because they are "special". I never thought of an after-live for a rat, monkey, or squirrels; my thoughts were dogmatic and myopic. I failed to see how no less of an animal we are, biologically. We share the same limitations with every living thing and no amount of wishful thinking will change that.


The earlier you begin to realize the better.
Because I know you don't believe in the reality of neither Heaven nor Hell.
Not everything about scientific theories are true.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by ScepticalPyrrho: 8:39pm On Oct 14, 2017
MistadeRegal:


The earlier you begin to realize the better.
Because I know you don't believe in the reality of neither Heaven nor Hell.
Not everything about scientific theories are true.
What do you mean by reality?

This is as real as it gets, don't live in self-deceipt.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by Nuhvey(m): 8:51pm On Oct 14, 2017
MistadeRegal:


I Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
That is why I'm not surprised at your way of thinking/reasoning.
Draw closer to GOD and know more.
Oh, so the things which u speak of are unreasonable and foolish to the natural man but u want him to quote you only when he has something reasonable to say? undecided

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by MistadeRegal(m): 9:17pm On Oct 14, 2017
ScepticalPyrrho:
What do you mean by reality?

This is as real as it gets, don't live in self-deceipt.

I'm not the first to tell you this neither will I be the last. But you should know the truth you chose to ignore.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Deists - Give Me Solid Proof That God Exists. by MistadeRegal(m): 9:19pm On Oct 14, 2017
Nuhvey:

Oh, so the things which u speak of are unreasonable and foolish to the natural man but u want him to quote you only when he has something reasonable to say? undecided

Sorry dude. But you aren't making any sense with this.

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