TheGoodJoe:


I did not see anyone get suicidal when Rohr makes cut for his final starting eleven. We need the best and not to please people. You can also get passion from the best players. If not sentiments, how can someone select a team based on passion.

forgiveness:


In regards to Obagoal, Ike Uche and Odenwinge, I think they are very good and you are sure to get a goal with these guys.

Unfortunately, when these players were banging in goals left right center in Europe our bad belle coaches decided to drop them for lesser strikers.

However, if these three players are still banging in goals left right and center, I don't mind they are invited to the National team because we don't have any inform young striker in the best leagues in Europe and in the National team that can lace their shoes.

As it being that Kelechi and Kayode (because they are the only two consistent prolific strikers playing at the highest level) are banging in goals left right and center, I don't need to even think about these men but because as sand sand don pass garri, I will prefer Martins and ike Uche if they continue to score goals for their clubs. I don't know about Odenwinge.


However, I think we can split the three slots for the striker to three categories.

I. For informed experienced striker
II. For a mixed of both informed young and experienced striker
II. For very young informed striker


Based on these categories,

Category 1

Odion Ighalo - 14 goals and 3 assists (25 games in CSL)

Obafemi Martins - 7 goals and 3 assists (12 games in CSL)

Osaze Odenwinge 13 goals and 5 assists out of 18 games in Indonesia)

Ikechuckwu Uche 5 goals and 0 assist out of 8 games in the la Liga 2

Brown Ideye clubless

Anthony Nwakaeme 0 goals and 1 assist out of 5 games in Israel


Category 2

Ahmed Musa - EPL
Kayode Olanrewaju - LA Liga
Aaron Samuel - Russia
Ebere Paul Onuachu - Denmark
Simeon Nwankwo - Seria A

Category 3

Kelechi Iheanacho
Tammy Abraham
Cyriel Dessers
Dominic Solanke
Dennis Bonaventure
Peter Olayinka
Taiwo Awoniyi
Osimhen
Sadiq Umar



Based on current form and pedigree of leagues, please choose one from each categories, we are good to go.

Please, no sentiments and give reasons.

goldfish80:


If Solanke wasn't British, he will be playing in the Dutch 2nd division or the Belgian Pro league at best.

edi287:

How many do we pick in total?

Joebie:
My question to you. Where they mostly home based at the time?

daveP:
DRIVES, nt select. and thats for the current team actually

forgiveness:


In regards to Obagoal, Ike Uche and Odenwinge, I think they are very good and you are sure to get a goal with these guys.

Unfortunately, when these players were banging in goals left right center in Europe our bad belle coaches decided to drop them for lesser strikers.

However, if these three players are still banging in goals left right and center, I don't mind they are invited to the National team because we don't have any inform young striker in the best leagues in Europe and in the National team that can lace their shoes.

As it being that Kelechi and Kayode (because they are the only two consistent prolific strikers playing at the highest level) are banging in goals left right and center, I don't need to even think about these men but because as sand sand don pass garri, I will prefer Martins and ike Uche if they continue to score goals for their clubs. I don't know about Odenwinge.


However, I think we can split the three slots for the striker to three categories.

I. For informed experienced striker
II. For a mixed of both informed young and experienced striker
II. For very young informed striker


Based on these categories,

Category 1

Odion Ighalo - 14 goals and 3 assists (25 games in CSL)

Obafemi Martins - 7 goals and 3 assists (12 games in CSL)

Osaze Odenwinge 13 goals and 5 assists out of 18 games in Indonesia)

Ikechuckwu Uche 5 goals and 0 assist out of 8 games in the la Liga 2

Brown Ideye clubless

Anthony Nwakaeme 0 goals and 1 assist out of 5 games in Israel


Category 2

Ahmed Musa - EPL
Kayode Olanrewaju - LA Liga
Aaron Samuel - Russia
Ebere Paul Onuachu - Denmark
Simeon Nwankwo - Seria A

Category 3

Kelechi Iheanacho
Tammy Abraham
Cyriel Dessers
Dominic Solanke
Dennis Bonaventure
Peter Olayinka
Taiwo Awoniyi
Osimhen
Sadiq Umar



Based on current form and pedigree of leagues, please choose one from each categories, we are good to go.

Please, no sentiments and give reasons.

goldfish80:


I understand Eniola is a lawyer. She would have torn the FA to pieces if they went to court.

goldfish80:


If Solanke wasn't British, he will be playing in the Dutch 2nd division or the Belgian Pro league at best.

Icon79:
Thank you! I went to college in the East Coast. Bros, that man almost made me doubt myself .... because at that time I was just a newbie and wasn't well schooled in the "American school of racism" yet. He would make it sound like he's trying to push me to maximize my potential, but as time goes on I began to realize that there was a different agenda.

I mean, I could score 2 goals but if we lose he would ask why I didn't score 3! In addition, anytime we lose it's because I didn't have a great game but when we win he would give the credit to almost everyone else before he remembers me.

That's why I tend to sympathize with our players when these TV pundits pick on them for criticisms. Many of those folks have their own agendas and we ought to take everything they say with a big dose of salt.


O pari

TheGoodJoe:


Thank you for sharing your personal experience here. They were educative. This is the main reason why I find basing our team selection based on the choices of foreign club coaches detrimental to the team.

TheGoodJoe:


It was a mixed camp. Based on the best. Both local and foreign after careful analysis and selection.

Joebie:
Name those that were foreign based on the early 80s. At least we have google.

TheGoodJoe:


Tell me we did not have mixed group of players from the eighties to nineties.

tbaba1234:


The fact that they tried to silence her speaks volumes about the racism, blacks have to face.

The FA did not handle the matter well.

I remember Paul Ince was once complaining about the lack of opportunities given to black managers in the game.

tbaba1234:


Racism in the US is not always direct. It is often subtle. It is when you have lived long that you start to notice the signs and shut it down when possible. Sometimes, people grow up with stereotypes of what black people are like and run with it. It is systemic. I live in the east coast too.

komekn:


I have a had a lot of heated discussion on this topic.

Belgium league is rated 8, Turkish 10 and the Dutch 11.

The Bundesliga for me is characterised by the complete dominance Of Bayern followed by Dortmund. It's not as competitive as the EPL in my opinion.

With regards to the Belgium league it's a lot easier to score goals because again its not as competitive as the EPL. Consider how many top World class players play in the Belgium and Turkish leagues and how many in the EPL. That's another indicative yardstick for quality.

When we then get to the European Champions league everyone raises thier game just like the English FA cup. Tottenham played Real Madrid and it was a draw they could have won the game. But over all Tottenham is not better than Real Madrid.

In this regard I rate the English championship better than the Belgium, Austrian, Dutch and Turkish leagues. That doesn't mean there are not quality players thier but they would have to be the best in that league to be considered top quality.

For instance Dele Alli, Gomez, Ademola,
Galleries all left league 1 straight to the premiership.

If that's Rohr view that the championship is not good enough quality then he is very mistaken and out of touch. The championship is the first stepping stone to the EPL.

Oliver Burke left Nottingham forest fc to Liepzig in the Bundesliga, who are currently number three in the Bundesliga currently.

If you are a top player in the championship you are ready for the EPL. And if a team is struggling in the EPL after relegation and season later. You will be in League one. That's the story of Wigan, Bolton, Wolves and many others. Consider Sunderland after being relegated from the EPL last season are now at the bottom of the Championship in the relegation zone.

It shows the depth of competition in the English championship.

TheGoodJoe:


At least, you should know Stephen Keshi and Sam Okwaraji where foreign based players for the Super Eagles without Google.

tbaba1234:


Racism in the US is not always direct. It is often subtle. It is when you have lived long that you start to notice the signs and shut it down when possible. Sometimes, people grow up with stereotypes of what black people are like and run with it. It is systemic. I live in the east coast too.

TheGoodJoe:


At least, you should know Stephen Keshi and Sam Okwaraji where foreign based players for the Super Eagles without Google.

Kog45:
Are u serious,meaning British players are over hype,d same thing Tammy Abraham abi,but Ebuehi is playing in d Dutch first division.

Pls let give little respect to Solanke,from Chelsea to Liverpool,he is a good player,though he may not be special or talented like Tammy.

Joebie:
I once met a man who grew up in the New England area. He said he barely saw blacks while growing up, hence he was not taught to hate or discriminate against them. Same can be said about tribalism. People are not just born wit it, they are brought up with that consciousness.

tbaba1234:


Sometimes, racism is more prevalent amongst people who did not grow up with blacks because their knowledge is often based on assumptions and stereotypes.

Even amongst blacks, there is discrimination. Africans sometimes feel superior to black Americans because they are usually more educated and successful. Black Americans do not always want to identify with their African roots because of what they hear about Africa.

Then you have the light skinned and dark skinned black dichotomy.

goldfish80:


I have noticed an anomaly in this thread for sometime.

It appears alot of people rate youngsters on the strength of club they play for. For goodness sake, the SI unit for measuring the ability of a player shouldn't be on the basis of which club hr plays for, rather you measure and judge a player by what he brings to the table.

Solanke as far as I'm concerned haven't pulled any trees. We are talking about a guy who went on loan to Holland and came up short. If he was Dutch born, do you think he will be signed up by Liverpool on the strength of his showing in Eredivisie? What if he was Norwegian? Do you think he will be in Liverpool?

I saw some highlights of a Chidera Ejike in Norway and to be honest, if that boy was born in Hackney, he will be playing for Tottenham or Arsenal.

The IQ of this thread should go beyond judging people because of where they are born. Please we can do better than that.

Joebie:
My original question was, were MOST of them home based?

Icon79:
Bingo! You nailed it with the stereotypes craps!

In those days, anytime our coach talk about my game, his favorite adjectives were always "you're "big, strong, athletic" .... blah blah blah! He has never use the word skillful or talented to describe me! But he uses those words all the time when he talks about some of my team mates, especially the white folks.

And you're quite correct .... these people can be very subtle. I don't consider myself naïve, but it took me more than one year (two seasons) to actually realize the hidden agenda behind most of his "constructive criticisms". And that happened after another kid from Africa (Kenyan) became part of the team, then a pattern began to emerge. It was quite an eye opening experience for me, I gotta tell ya!


O pari

tbaba1234:


I think, you quoted the wrong person

goldfish80:


If Solanke wasn't British, he will be playing in the Dutch 2nd division or the Belgian Pro league at best.

komekn:


This is a guy that was awarded as the best player in the U20 world cup.

Was so impressive at Liverpool he literally caused Divock Origi to go on loan to Wolfsburg who has now blocked the pathway of Osimhen completely.

In this regard I will say think again.

TheGoodJoe:


The idea is not about whether most were home based or not. The idea is selecting the best players to represent the country, irrespective of their location.

komekn:


This is a guy that was awarded as the best player in the U20 world cup.

Was so impressive at Liverpool he literally caused Divock Origi to go on loan to Wolfsburg who has now blocked the pathway of Osimhen completely.

In this regard I will say think again.