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The answer is yes. Infact,we would have been millenia more advanced than we are now-and without the negative side effects.
No cancers, credit card thefts, dictatorships, poverty etc.
How am i so sure?
Simple. Even though God made the first man and woman,perfect, perfect minds,bodies,etc. God doesnt do things in complete form first. He does things in seed form.
Whatever gifts He gives,he gives in seed form , it's the duty of the beneficiary to develop that gift into it's full blown mature form. Life started from the garden of eden and was to spread out to the entire earth.
- you sow a seed and nurture it to reap a bountiful harvest,agriculturally.
- many businesses that are big and booming today, were once one small enterprenuerial start up and then it was once just an idea - a seed of thought.
- many of the world's genuises people read about,spent long hours studying and researching in their field of study before they made any break thru-their genius did'nt obviate the need for hard work.

So man would have transcended Eden, flourished and prospered ,used his mind and made life easier for himself. And there would have been technology-tonnes of it,because that's what makes life easier.

So you believe the Jewish folklore that sinned entree the world through Adam and Eve abi? Well done. Adam and Eve are fictional beings.

asalimpo:
The answer is yes. Infact,we would have been millenia more advanced than we are now-and without the negative side effects.
No cancers, credit card thefts, dictatorships, poverty etc.
How am i so sure?
Simple. Even though God made the first man and woman,perfect, perfect minds,bodies,etc. God doesnt do things in complete form first. He does things in seed form.
Whatever gifts He gives,he gives in seed form , it's the duty of the beneficiary to develop that gift into it's full blown mature form. Life started from the garden of eden and was to spread out to the entire earth.
- you sow a seed and nurture it to reap a bountiful harvest,agriculturally.
- many businesses that are big and booming today, were once one small enterprenuerial start up and then it was once just an idea - a seed of thought.
- many of the world's genuises people read about,spent long hours studying and researching in their field of study before they made any break thru-their genius did'nt obviate the need for hard work.

So man would have transcended Eden, flourished and prospered ,used his mind and made life easier for himself. And there would have been technology-tonnes of it,because that's what makes life easier.

Interesting viewpoint. You do realize that most of the advancements in science, technology, government and society are AS A RESULT of millennia of strife, wars and diseases, right?

asalimpo:
The answer is yes. Infact,we would have been millenia more advanced than we are now-and without the negative side effects.
No cancers, credit card thefts, dictatorships, poverty etc.
How am i so sure?
Simple. Even though God made the first man and woman,perfect, perfect minds,bodies,etc. God doesnt do things in complete form first. He does things in seed form.
Whatever gifts He gives,he gives in seed form , it's the duty of the beneficiary to develop that gift into it's full blown mature form. Life started from the garden of eden and was to spread out to the entire earth.
- you sow a seed and nurture it to reap a bountiful harvest,agriculturally.
- many businesses that are big and booming today, were once one small enterprenuerial start up and then it was once just an idea - a seed of thought.
- many of the world's genuises people read about,spent long hours studying and researching in their field of study before they made any break thru-their genius did'nt obviate the need for hard work.

So man would have transcended Eden, flourished and prospered ,used his mind and made life easier for himself. And there would have been technology-tonnes of it,because that's what makes life easier.

I heard Faraday or who produced light bulb attempted it and succeeded at the 1000th time

Adam will do it once

Moreover, Philip teleported to another location, so I believe the galaxies should be habitable

Lol. God made the first man and woman perfect but they could still sin and disobey God? Nonsense

I think there's a reason God kept that tree there. He needed them to eat it so he can blame their imperfections on it. That's if the story in the Bible is true. Because it doesn't make sense.

NPComplete:
Lol. God made the first man and woman perfect but they could still sin and disobey God? Nonsense

I think there's a reason God kept that tree there. He needed them to eat it so he can blame their imperfections on it. That's if the story in the Bible is true. Because it doesn't make sense.

Adam exercised his freedom of choice. Been perfect doesn't mean you can't sin anymore .

SLOVFO:
Adam exercised his freedom of choice. Been perfect doesn't mean you can't sin anymore .

That means we are still perfect na. Since we are exercising freedom of choice everyday.
So there's no need for us to be seeking perfection in God as the bible will have us do. We are perfect already.

NPComplete:
That means we are still perfect na. Since we are exercising freedom of choice everyday.
So there's no need for us to be seeking perfection in God as the bible will have us do. We are perfect already.

I was referring to Adam's state before "the fall" when I said perfection. Our perfection, as Christians today is positional. That's, we are perfect due to our belief and trust in Jesus Christ.

Romans 3: 22-23,
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

asalimpo:
The answer is yes. Infact,we would have been millenia more advanced than we are now-and without the negative side effects.
No cancers, credit card thefts, dictatorships, poverty etc.
How am i so sure?
Simple. Even though God made the first man and woman,perfect, perfect minds,bodies,etc. God doesnt do things in complete form first. He does things in seed form.
Whatever gifts He gives,he gives in seed form , it's the duty of the beneficiary to develop that gift into it's full blown mature form. Life started from the garden of eden and was to spread out to the entire earth.
- you sow a seed and nurture it to reap a bountiful harvest,agriculturally.
- many businesses that are big and booming today, were once one small enterprenuerial start up and then it was once just an idea - a seed of thought.
- many of the world's genuises people read about,spent long hours studying and researching in their field of study before they made any break thru-their genius did'nt obviate the need for hard work.

So man would have transcended Eden, flourished and prospered ,used his mind and made life easier for himself. And there would have been technology-tonnes of it,because that's what makes life easier.

stop kidding yhur self, with what knowledge or intelligence would man have created all that, when Adam and Eve couldn't even figure out that they were naked,like the animals in the fields.

innovative and advancement comes from need, there has to be a need, Adam and Eve were created like the animals in the fields, with similar needs and mindset, wakeup,have sex,eat and sleep nothing more nothing less, there was no need for anything else in their life.

God only clothed Adam and Eve when a need arose, not before, in original plan there was no need for invention, work or creativity.

everything that man has achieve come from a need, not providence.

so no,in Gods original plan we were to be like goats, roaming around in the fields.

by the way the fall of man was part of goods plan, even the devil is Gods invention of saving face, both deities is one n the same person working in mans favour, yhu can't have light without darkness, so also darkness without light, both are same state different degrees of the same thing.

Hypocrisy is when you blame a victim of rape for immodest dressing and seduction of the rapist but won't blame God for planting the Apple in Eden.



Having said that, will there be need for stem cells transplant if there's no sickle cell disease and other disease that need such medication


Will there be need for aeroplane and rockets if there's no place to visit and war


Will there be need for internet and stuff if we can communicate and send angels on errands

How about the discovery of crude oil and other precious resources

What's the need of studying the universe and multiverse if we can talk and ask God questions about his creation


I expected a good explanation like God will make the brain perform optimally that we can do things beyond our capacity.


Thanks to Adam and Eve, we can reach beyond the scope of animals who just exist instead of living.

boringnigerian:
Interesting viewpoint. You do realize that most of the advancements in science, technology, government and society are AS A RESULT of millennia of strife, wars and diseases, right?

Not always. Sometimes,pushed to wall, man cranked up his creative muse in desperation (e.g during ww2 and the cold war) at other times,
he did so leisurely because there was peace. The age of enlightenment tht ushered in the industrial revolution and following the dark ages wasnt a time of war.

chalantmike:
stop kidding yhur self, with what knowledge or intelligence would man have created all that, when Adam and Eve couldn't even figure out that they were naked,like the animals in the fields.

innovative and advancement comes from need, there has to be a need, Adam and Eve were created like the animals in the fields, with similar needs and mindset, wakeup,have sex,eat and sleep nothing more nothing less, there was no need for anything else in their life.

God only clothed Adam and Eve when a need arose, not before, in original plan there was no need for invention, work or creativity.

everything that man has achieve come from a need, not providence.

so no,in Gods original plan we were to be like goats, roaming around in the fields.

by the way the fall of man was part of goods plan, even the devil is Gods invention of saving face, both deities is one n the same person working in mans favour, yhu can't have light without darkness, so also darkness without light, both are same state different degrees of the same thing.

A few bible verses would show that you are soo wrong.
Eden was the seed bed of humanity, they would have expanded and spread out to conquer and populate the whole earth.
They'd have need to use their brains and think creatively. God's original intention was to live for man but for man to live for himself. Remember adam work in the garden- u know what that meant? he used his hands, and mind to work. it would have only gotten better.

That they couldnt figure out that they were naked was not tantamount to being ignoramic morons.
There's a difference. They had no knowledge of evil. The closest to tht would be a baby not knowing
that porn and cartoons are different. He'll blurt out to a stranger that his parents watched that cartoon-
the baby is innocent.
The baby has to know evil before he knows it is bad. Adam and eve didnt know evil.
it doesnt mean they were not smart.

Can goats subdue the earth?

We for still dey flex nakked for Eden, dey run around with our dicks dangling and breasts flapping.

asalimpo:
A few bible verses would show that you are soo wrong.
Eden was the seed bed of humanity, they would have expanded and spread out to conquer and populate the whole earth.
They'd have need to use their brains and think creatively. God's original intention was to live for man but for man to live for himself. Remember adam work in the garden- u know what that meant? he used his hands, and mind to work. it would have only gotten better.

That they couldnt figure out that they were naked was not tantamount to being ignoramic morons.
There's a difference. They had no knowledge of evil. The closest to tht would be a baby not knowing
that porn and cartoons are different. He'll blurt out to a stranger that his parents watched that cartoon-
the baby is innocent.
The baby has to know evil before he knows it is bad. Adam and eve didnt know evil.
it doesnt mean they were not smart.

Can goats subdue the earth?

Where is yhur bible verse, lemma start from there attacking yhu am sure yhu would not accept simple reason. When yhu say subdue the earth or when God said it, what do yhu think he meant, ants build complex empires, their system of government is even more intrinsic than mans own, yet aunts never ate from the fruit, why is that?.

SLOVFO:
Adam exercised his freedom of choice. Been perfect doesn't mean you can't sin anymore .

If that tree was planted in sahara desert, there's no way Adam would have had it as an option to chose or not to chose from. Except it was all a setup. That story reeks of bullshi't to me, coupled with the fact that an omnipresent and omniscient God would know what would become of his creation if he left the tree there, and also would be right there when Adam was tempted, and would be right there when he ate it. Then he walks in thereafter, acting surprised that Adam ate the fruit. Or isn't he omnipresent again?

It's either a setup or a badly scripted folktale.

chalantmike:
Where is yhur bible verse, lemma start from there attacking yhu am sure yhu would not accept simple reason. When yhu say subdue the earth or when God said it, what do yhu think he meant, ants build complex empires, their system of government is even more intrinsic than mans own, yet aunts never ate from the fruit, why is that?.

What God meant was obvious. Show verses to justify your claims b4 asking for mine.
Do ants have forums like nairaland Where fellow ants can dispute over issues?
Do ants have atheists and theists?
comparing humans to animals ... continue.

MaziOmenuko:
If that tree was planted in sahara desert, there's no way Adam would have had it as an option to chose or not to chose from. Except it was all a setup. That story reeks of bullshi't to me, coupled with the fact that an omnipresent and omniscient God would know what would become of his creation if he left the tree there, and also would be right there when Adam was tempted, and would be right there when he ate it. Then he walks in thereafter, acting surprised that Adam ate the fruit. Or isn't he omnipresent again?

It's either a setup or a badly scripted folktale.

The bible is no badly scripted folktale.

That He is omniscient and omnipresent doesn't mean He uses His abilities recklessly. Sometimes, God sits back and allow us to surprise Him. That was the reason He made us humans- He needed an intelligent, free moral agent He can relate to. He has his angels and not one of them dare challenge or deviate from stated orders. Only man can surprise God. Please refer to the scriptures below.

Genesis 6:5-6,
5 But the LORD saw that the wickedness of humankind had become great on the earth. Every inclination of the thoughts of their minds was only evil all the time.

6 The LORD regretted that he had made humankind on the earth, and he was highly offended.

SLOVFO:
The bible is no badly scripted folktale.

Then it was a setup. You didn't address the questions I raised, you cherry picked and avoided some areas. If, according to you, God wanted beings he could relate to, did he shut down his omniscient powers when it came to man? Definitely, he knows the end from the begining don't he? So he definitely knew that making man, giving him free-will and allowing him to make choices will end in disaster. According to the same scriptures u quoted,

'He regretted creating man afterwards'.

C'mon man! If I designed a program and knew the program would crash if I run it, I would simply go back to the designs and try to fix the bugs. I wouldn't run it like that and then act surprised thereafter when it crashes, and then start regretting designing the program. It doesn't make sense.

Just in case

MaziOmenuko:
Then it was a setup. You didn't address the questions I raised, you cherry picked and avoided some areas. If, according to you, God wanted beings he could relate to, did he shut down his omniscient powers when it came to man? Definitely, he knows the end from the begining don't he? So he definitely knew that making man, giving him free-will and allowing him to make choices will end in disaster. According to the same scriptures u quoted,

'He regretted creating man afterwards'.

C'mon man! If I designed a program and knew the program would crash if I run it, I would simply go back to the designs and try to fix the bugs. I wouldn't run it like that and then act surprised thereafter when it crashes, and then start regretting designing the program. It doesn't make sense.

I appreciate your arguments friend. The Christian walk is a "faith", not a science. You first must come believing and then your eyes will be opened to see the hidden things of God. If not, you will only see contradictions and arguments each time you open the Bible.

1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;


Back to our argument, God is not a man. And he doesn't think like you. Above He is sovereign, though law abiding. He makes His own righteous laws and rules. He exercises His powers as He desires. God does no sin and does not use His omniscient mind to meditate and ruminate on the evils we are capable of doing. Corruption, wickedness and evil things are man's(devil's) invention not God's.

Jeremiah 32:35 And they put up the high places of the Baal in the valley of the son of Hinnom, making their sons and their daughters go through the fire to Molech; which I did not give them orders to do, and it never came into my mind that they would do this disgusting thing, causing Judah to be turned out of the way.(BBE)

NPComplete:
Lol. God made the first man and woman perfect but they could still sin and disobey God? Nonsense

I think there's a reason God kept that tree there. He needed them to eat it so he can blame their imperfections on it. That's if the story in the Bible is true. Because it doesn't make sense.

God never made the first man and woman perfect, he made them without sin.
On their journey to perfection, they fell.

A perfect being can't fall

SLOVFO:
Adam exercised his freedom of choice. Been perfect doesn't mean you can't sin anymore .

Adam was never perfect

Proudlyngwa:
Adam was never perfect

Perfection here implies a state of sinlessness. Adam was sinless before he failed.

SLOVFO:
Perfection here implies a state of sinlessness. Adam was sinless before he failed.

Perfection and sinlessness are two different things.

Adam was created sinless.
He had to grow into perfection.


JESUS CHRIST was born sinless, he achieved perfection and acquired a God status.

If you are perfect, you can't fall, except you expect God the father to fall one day.

The world would have been more advanced than this.
Nigeria would not have experienced Biafran war, Bokoharam, Kanu, Fulani Herdsmen & their sponsors and the devastations that follow.
Pray to qualify for "The New Earthly Jerusalem".

SLOVFO:
I appreciate your arguments friend. The Christian walk is a "faith", not a science.

Chaiiii

Christians always using the word FAITH as a cop-out.

Anyways, you guys speak of faith when there is no evidence. You speak of faith when there's no point to butresss arguments and discussions further.

You first must come believing and then your eyes will be opened to see the hidden things of God.

Tell us the hidden things of god.
Besides, how did you know they are hidden?

If not, you will only see contradictions and arguments each time you open the Bible.

Obviously, there are contradiction in the Bible except if you wanna deny it.
If I tell you 1+1=2 >> you'd agree with me.
If I tell you 0+2=2 >> you would still agree

But
If I now say 1+3=2 >> you would disagree, why?

1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness

Just listen to yourself. Read this verse slowly.
If the wisdom of god is the foolishness man and vice-versa, how then do we know know what god really wants? How then do we know we are doing the right thing?

Maybe I should break it down for you a little bit by citing an example.

Assuming I said I don't understand something, then I further went ahead explaining that same I said I never understood. On what scale would you believe my explanations to something I said I don't understand to be true? Will my explanations not look like I'm contradicting my initial statement?

This is exactly how that verse sounded

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Trash

Back to our argument, God is not a man.

Are you kidding me?
Do you have evidence for this claim?
Hooe you're aware that what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence?

BTW, in genesis chapter 1.
After god as created everything and saw all was good, he then said "let us create man in our own image" - (note down the emboldened)And he doesn't think like you.

Above He is sovereign, though law abiding. He makes His own righteous laws and rules.

And breaks them as well. He also regrets his own actions.

He exercises His powers as He desires.

by throwing man into hell for eternal damnation.

God does no sin and does not use His omniscient mind to meditate and ruminate on the evils we are capable of doing. Corruption, wickedness and evil things are man's(devil's) invention not God's.

It clearly obvious you know nothing about the Bible. Are you kidding me again? God didn't create evil?
I beg you to open your Bible to the book of Isaiah 45vs7
In that verse, god clearly said he created everything both good and evil.

Besides, who created the devil? Is the devil not a product of God's creation?

Jeremiah 32:35 And they put up the high places of the Baal in the valley of the son of Hinnom, making their sons and their daughters go through the fire to Molech; which I did not give them orders to do, and it never came into my mind that they would do this disgusting thing, causing Judah to be turned out of the way.(BBE)

Trash. Out of point

adepeter2027:
Chaiiii

Christians always using the word FAITH as a cop-out.

Anyways, you guys speak of faith when there is no evidence. You speak of faith when there's no point to butresss arguments and discussions further.


Tell us the hidden things of god.
Besides, how did you know they are hidden?

Obviously, there are contradiction in the Bible except if you wanna deny it.
If I tell you 1+1=2 >> you'd agree with me.
If I tell you 0+2=2 >> you would still agree

But
If I now say 1+3=2 >> you would disagree, why?

Just listen to yourself. Read this verse slowly.
If the wisdom of god is the foolishness man and vice-versa, how then do we know know what god really wants? How then do we know we are doing the right thing?

Maybe I should break it down for you a little bit by citing an example.

Assuming I said I don't understand something, then I further went ahead explaining that same I said I never understood. On what scale would you believe my explanations to something I said I don't understand to be true? Will my explanations not look like I'm contradicting my initial statement?

This is exactly how that verse sounded

Trash


Are you kidding me?
Do you have evidence for this claim?
Hooe you're aware that what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence?

BTW, in genesis chapter 1.
After god as created everything and saw all was good, he then said "let us create man in our own image" - (note down the emboldened)And he doesn't think like you.

And breaks them as well. He also regrets his own actions.
by throwing man into hell for eternal damnation.

It clearly obvious you know nothing about the Bible. Are you kidding me again? God didn't create evil?
I beg you to open your Bible to the book of Isaiah 45vs7
In that verse, god clearly said he created everything both good and evil.

Besides, who created the devil? Is the devil not a product of God's creation?

Trash. Out of point

God of course doesn't think like you! You think like a natural man. God is a spirit being with intellect infinitesimally greater than yours.

The verse I quoted in Jeremiah is only to tell you that their are things God doesn't think or have not thought about.

The bottom line is the Bible verse I quoted earlier on:
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. If you don't love God or believe in God, You will always see contradictions each time you turn the pages of the Bible .

Moral evil/sin is not a creation of the righteous God. Though God is omnipotent and can do all things, he choses.

Proudlyngwa:
God never made the first man and woman perfect, he made them without sin.
On their journey to perfection, they fell.

A perfect being can't fall

True,perfection requires grace of GOD.
Willing mind is needed but doing mind is from GOD.
The cunningness of the devil can make anyone fall.But only Grace of GOD delivers no matter how strong one is.Persistency and consistency makes character. And that is why we should keep our faith steady in CHRIST JESUS,lest at anytime, one falls.The devil is so crafty with his tactics, and always there to cloud and derail the men of GOD whom will have been very useful for the gospel.But you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.This notwithstanding requires GOD'S Grace. Human effort can't do it alone.But we can't take that as an excuse, we should strive to perfection too.The Bible is made to deliver our generation from mistakes of the past generations.I pray GOD help us to understanding HIS Will.Amen.

adepeter2027:
Chaiiii

Christians always using the word FAITH as a cop-out.

Anyways, you guys speak of faith when there is no evidence. You speak of faith when there's no point to butresss arguments and discussions further.


Tell us the hidden things of god.
Besides, how did you know they are hidden?

Obviously, there are contradiction in the Bible except if you wanna deny it.
If I tell you 1+1=2 >> you'd agree with me.
If I tell you 0+2=2 >> you would still agree

But
If I now say 1+3=2 >> you would disagree, why?

Just listen to yourself. Read this verse slowly.
If the wisdom of god is the foolishness man and vice-versa, how then do we know know what god really wants? How then do we know we are doing the right thing?

Maybe I should break it down for you a little bit by citing an example.

Assuming I said I don't understand something, then I further went ahead explaining that same I said I never understood. On what scale would you believe my explanations to something I said I don't understand to be true? Will my explanations not look like I'm contradicting my initial statement?

This is exactly how that verse sounded

Trash


Are you kidding me?
Do you have evidence for this claim?
Hooe you're aware that what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence?

BTW, in genesis chapter 1.
After god as created everything and saw all was good, he then said "let us create man in our own image" - (note down the emboldened)And he doesn't think like you.

And breaks them as well. He also regrets his own actions.
by throwing man into hell for eternal damnation.

It clearly obvious you know nothing about the Bible. Are you kidding me again? God didn't create evil?
I beg you to open your Bible to the book of Isaiah 45vs7
In that verse, god clearly said he created everything both good and evil.

Besides, who created the devil? Is the devil not a product of God's creation?

Trash. Out of point

Sir,if I may be permitted to humbly ask;
Sir,who does evil?GOD or devil?
If anything Good thing happens we say,GOD does it.
Talking righteousness we say GOD wants it;
No adultery,no maliciousness, no crime.
Aren't these things that could have been allowed?
But if we carefully check them as they continue in listing,we would agree that they are actually animalistic. Animals bully themselves without cause ,does things the way the want it.Because they have no law.
But man, whom GOD has put all his creation in his hands,to subdue on and manage them.All,everything, under is control is given law to abide with.This make us advanced than the animals, given freedom of choice and all things created in our control,shows how free,GOD has made man to be,in liberty,and love. HE wants to be confident in us.HE is there watching, us as HIS fun pet,but we are more than that to HIM.Who are we that he has humbled himself to come to the world through the womb of a woman,to save us?
Isn't it something, HE could have done,by a glimpse of saying forgiveness, just like that?
But HE has HIS rules,in HIS WORDS and HE elevate HIS words above HIS NAME.There is law in Heaven,by law,I mean order,I mean peace.
But to deliver us,HE has come,shame death by resurrection, shame devil,that GOD forever lives.It means so much.
Let us not play with human interpretation of who GOD is.Out of HIS infinite tender-mercy did HE make you able to discern this your logic by choice in perspective of GOD.
But HE could have made anyone anything. The wife of Lot was made to salt pillar.Can you relate that to science? That electron defines electricity is because HE allows it.Let us not be clouded to allow the devil to get hold of our heart.
We should ask ourselves, where do we come from before birth,when do we start knowing things,discerning with creative thinking?
And utmostly where are we going after this world?
You are too,useful for GOD than allow devil point of view. From the first time,we know the devil.he queries GOD.he was allowed in Eden,see what he did to Man.he was allowed to in Heaven, see the number of angels he made turn back to GOD,all casted to the world as evil spirits.See how the world seems to be today.
To digress,a gold cup or earring cannot ask the Goldsmith of which cause has he made it so.He mould it.He knows more.
GOD knows more.HE is more than Science and reasonable thinking. HE made wisdom and owns it.
Seeing you are fervent in Bible verses and words,Sir,it would be good you see the truth. Not as Saul thought he was.But has he was made to realized by taken time to be Paul.The devil would have destroy Saul,but he was made to know the truth.This is more than scientific thinking. We should be watchful and careful at the same time,lest at anytime the devil win us to HIS side.And the truth is we would be the one ri suffer much loss.
Just like JESUS said,"of what profit is it for a man to gain the whole world and then lose HIS soul?"
If being humbled to the Creator would make us to the Promiseland,in a forever peaceful promise place.Let us be humbled enough,as kid to do so.
This was why JESUS said,if you people can't go back and humble yourself as kid,you shall in no wise enter the kingdom.Emphasising this,he said let the children come unto me,for such is the kingdom of GOD.(Matthew 19:14).
Let us not allow, the devil.he is never satisfied, always wanting critics of GOD to his side.
Funnily enough,he(the devil) is brilliant(has GOD permitted him,just like man); he can make one rich,intellectually sound,sufficient in excess,(and in relation to the duscourse,aware that one is naked) that you can look up against GOD,like you don't need any material thing,but of what profit are these?
May The Good Dear LORD put us right,and help us to HIS Kingdom. Amen.Not only by human strive can we achieve this.GOD Himself,matters most.That's why we should always pray for HIS Grace.
If man is not watctful enough he will fall.In fact man can watch and yet fall.Let us pray HIM to help us to perfection, and we keeping the strive on our own side by righteous living.
HE is the judge,let us put all things in HIS Hands.
Why?What is man that HE takes knowledge of him,or the son of man that he is mindful of HIM?
He said let us create man in our own image;and yet leaves all things created to him.This shows HE can stand without us!HE has HIS Kingdom already!!
There are other planets and has just loved us as fun pet.Let us really go humble and be careful.
Let us turn back and be kid before the creator of the multilverse.
It is a great discourse.

May GOD Help Us.Amen.
I hope we fellowship together.

JSMMUYIWA:
True,perfection requires grace of GOD.
Willing mind is needed but doing mind is from GOD.
The cunningness of the devil can make anyone fall.But only Grace of GOD delivers no matter how strong one is.Persistency and consistency makes character. And that is why we should keep our faith steady in CHRIST JESUS,lest at anytime, one falls.The devil is so crafty with his tactics, and always there to cloud and derail the men of GOD whom will have been very useful for the gospel.But you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.This notwithstanding requires GOD'S Grace. Human effort can't do it alone.But we can't take that as an excuse, we should strive to perfection too.The Bible is made to deliver our generation from mistakes of the past generations.I pray GOD help us to understanding HIS Will.Amen.

yes you are right
but only a sinless man can attain perfection .