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Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:40am On Nov 07, 2017

Akin1212:
When are you going to understand what logic is and what intuition is?
You don't need to blend intuition with logic when thinking is concerned.
Edison failed 1,000 times because his logic was not correct 999 times. It's very simple as ABC.

Logic is the boss, intuition just nods when logic is in action. It is logic that will give your intuition a boost. By intuition, you know I am a human being typing on the other side of your screen, you don't need to think to know that. Everything is in the link you posted but you're ignoring it.

Do you know why science has not seen the cure for HIV? Because the virus keeps changing, let's not bring this in because you know little about it, a fact I know that by intuition. And remember I told you that if science can't explain it, then nobody can. Has any ideology found a cure for HIV? NO

And if any ideology would, it would be science, it can't be religion.

Our ancestors practised science but they were not aware of it.

Going by your statement above, a baby uses logic to relate with its parents rather than intuition (instincts)?

So I guess the logical side of your brain developed before the intuitive part abi?

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 11:44am On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
Do you understand me when I say INTUITION+LOGIC=INSIGHT

Read that post carefully where I stated "intuition formed A PART of my conclusion"

Did you go through my last post at all? Logic will confirm intuition with time. TIME is the best judge on my conclusion and NOT YOUR OPINION Whether you think I am right or wrong...I don't care. Let TIME judge me...

Now get ready for my answer which is just COMMON SENSE. I didn't read fables from a religious book to arrive at my conclusion.

I'll be back shortly.

What's the point of all these...why are we on logic and intuition all morning...

U say there is a creator... i am not disputing that... but such bogus statement solves nothing. It does not tell us anything about how we came to be... instead saying we have a creator brings up more questions such as... where is thia creator... are rhey many or just one...why create us...

All these logic and intuition stuff are just diversiob tactics...

I am not askinh how u got to know we have a creator which i think is why u are on about this logic and intuition... i am giving u the benefit of doubt by accepting there is a creator... we are now on the problem caused by assuming a creator hence the questions i gave been asking all day..

Whew

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Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:45am On Nov 07, 2017

Akin1212:
Robots don't think, they don't have a brain. They only make decisions according to what has been programmed by humans. It's all about object-oriented programming and machine learning.

If this is A, say A
If input is B say No
If 1 is less than input, say you have not eaten.

Humans are not like that, humans think their logic, robots have theirs programmed.

I was disappointed with the question, but I assumed you didn't know, hence I did justice to it. Are we clear now?

What differentiates you from a robot are emotions, intuition and your natural physical setup.

Unless you want to show me an INTUITIVE AND EMOTIONAL ROBOT....

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 11:57am On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
What's the point of all these...why are we on logic and intuition all morning...

U say there is a creator... i am not disputing that... but such bogus statement solves nothing. It does not tell us anything about how we came to be... instead saying we have a creator brings up more questions such as... where is thia creator... are rhey many or just one...why create us...

All these logic and intuition stuff are just diversiob tactics...

I am not askinh how u got to know we have a creator which i think is why u are on about this logic and intuition... i am giving u the benefit of doubt by accepting there is a creator... we are now on the problem caused by assuming a creator hence the questions i gave been asking all day..

Whew

Very good. Now we have a common ground that there is a Creator (Whether He is One or Many...or Whether He is Eternal, I leave you to your opinion on that)

If every story (e.g. the Universe) has a start point, then it is not out of place to conclude that there is AN ETERNAL Creator as the starting point of the story.

Whether the Creator is one or many...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU
Whether the Creator is a white bearded dude seated on a throne...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.
Whether the Creator is Allah or God or Vishnu or whatever...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.

Do you understand how I arrived at my conclusion...and do you have a COMMON SENSE example to counter it?

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 12:00pm On Nov 07, 2017*

frank317:
What's the point of all these...why are we on logic and intuition all morning...

U say there is a creator... i am not disputing that... but such bogus statement solves nothing. It does not tell us anything about how we came to be... instead saying we have a creator brings up more questions such as... where is thia creator... are rhey many or just one...why create us...

All these logic and intuition stuff are just diversiob tactics...

I am not askinh how u got to know we have a creator which i think is why u are on about this logic and intuition... i am giving u the benefit of doubt by accepting there is a creator... we are now on the problem caused by assuming a creator hence the questions i gave been asking all day..

Whew

So you didn't learn anything on Logic and Intuition, but you want to express an opinion on my conclusion with limited logic driven knowledge? undecided

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 12:27pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
Very good. Now we have a common ground that there is a Creator (Whether He is One or Many...or Whether He is Eternal, I leave you to your opinion on that)

now u are leaving me to my opinion on that? something i have been asking u all day... u are suddenly leaving it so me? was it my postulation that there is a creator? u must be a joker.
how can u confidently say there is a creator when u dont know if its one or many?

If every story (e.g. the Universe) has a start point, then it is not out of place to conclude that there is AN ETERNAL Creator as the starting point of the story.

enough of this starting point nonsense and tell me why u think this creator is just one and why u think he is external.

Whether the Creator is one or many...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU
Whether the Creator is a white bearded dude seated on a throne...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.
Whether the Creator is Allah or God or Vishnu or whatever...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.

so what do u want me to do with the assumptive information that there is a creator? there is a creator(who u know absolutely nothing about u are not even sure he is just one)... so what?

Do you understand how I arrived at my conclusion...and do you have a COMMON SENSE example to counter it?

You have arrived at no conclusion my friend... just saying that there a creator is n conclusion and its not common sense. its just a bogus assumption even babies can make... it tells us nothing.

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 12:29pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
now u are leaving me to my opinion on that? something i have been asking u all day... u are suddenly leaving it so me? was it my postulation that there is a creator? u must be a joker.
how can u confidently say there is a creator when u dont know if its one or many?

enough of this starting point nonsense and tell me why u think this creator is just one and why u think he is external.

so what do u want me to do with the assumptive information that there is a creator? there is a creator(who u know absolutely nothing about u are not even sure he is just one)... so what?

You have arrived at no conclusion my friend... just saying that there a creator is n conclusion and its not common sense. its just a bogus assumption even babies can make... it tells us nothing.

What exactly is your motive on this thread?

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 12:29pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
So you didn't learn anything on Logic and Intuition, but you want to express an opinion on my conclusion with limited logic driven knowledge?

there is nothing new u said about logic and intuition that i dont know... please dont pride urself that u have arrived at any conclusion... u dont have a conclusion.

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 12:37pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
What exactly is your motive on this thread?

my motive is to show u that saying there is a creator means nothing. it tells us nothing and it is not the truth. it is actually the beginning of questions.

The universe could have been uncreated, it could have always existed. we have absolutely no idea if and how it all started. Stop saying it confidently that we have a creator... such statement means nothing. what if u are wrong that its not A creator... but creators.

No intuition made u see that this creator is just one... so what are u saying? if u dont know its one creator and many, why then are u saying we have a creator?

let me ask u.. If u conclude that there is a creator... and i conclude that there are creators... would u think we are saying the same thing?

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 12:37pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
there is nothing new u said about logic and intuition that i dont know... please dont pride urself that u have arrived at any conclusion... u dont have a conclusion.

Do you know you are very brilliant not to understand that my conclusion is THERE IS AN ETERNAL CREATOR?

On a scale of 1-10 your brilliance is (-10)

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 12:39pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
Do you know you are very brilliant not to understand that my conclusion is THERE IS AN ETERNAL CREATOR?

On a scale of 1-10 your brilliance is (-10)

'there is an eternal creator' is not a conclusion. u didnt tell me how u arrived at the assurance that the creator of the universe is one. how then is it a conclusion?

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 12:42pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
my motive is to show u that saying there is a creator means nothing. it tells us nothing and it is not the truth. it is actually the beginning of questions.

The universe could have been uncreated, it could have always existed. we have absolutely no idea if and how it all started. Stop saying it confidently that we have a creator... such statement means nothing. what if u are wrong that its not A creator... but creators.

No intuition made u see that this creator is just one... so what are u saying? if u dont know its one creator and many, why then are u saying we have a creator?

let me ask u.. If u conclude that there is a creator... and i conclude that there are creators... would u think we are saying the same thing?

You have not countered my position with a common sense example. Instead of shouting I am wrong, just give one basic example. Nairaland is waiting for you.

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 12:45pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
You have not countered my position with a common sense example. Instead of shouting I am wrong, just give one basic example. Nairaland is waiting for you.

I have countered u 'there is an external creator' position by asking u how u arrived at the fact that the creator is one and external

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 12:45pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
'there is an eternal creator' is not a conclusion. u didnt tell me how u arrived at the assurance that the creator of the universe is one. how then is it a conclusion?

Have you ever combined logic and intuition to arrive at any answer?

If you haven't then you will have a tough time understanding me.

I am waiting for a common sense example to counter my position. I expect a brilliant person to have common sense in abundance.

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 12:47pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
I have countered u 'there is an external creator' position by asking u how u arrived at the fact that the creator is one and external

Do you mean external or Eternal?
Check again and confirm what I typed.

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 12:52pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
Have you ever combined logic and intuition to arrive at any answer?

If you haven't then you will have a tough time understanding me.

I am waiting for a common sense example to counter my position. I expect a brilliant person to have common sense in abundance.

Now i am sure u are not alright.... this is what u said below

Whether the Creator is one or many...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU
Whether the Creator is a white bearded dude seated on a throne...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.
Whether the Creator is Allah or God or Vishnu or whatever...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.

How then are u telling me that u have arrived at a conclusion that there is AN EXTERNAL CREATOR

how have two conflicting statements from u become a conclusion

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 1:06pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
Now i am sure u are not alright.... this is what u said below

Whether the Creator is one or many...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU
Whether the Creator is a white bearded dude seated on a throne...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.
Whether the Creator is Allah or God or Vishnu or whatever...I cannot tell you BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE GRANULAR DETAILS TO GIVE YOU.

How then are u telling me that u have arrived at a conclusion that there is AN EXTERNAL CREATOR

how have two conflicting statements from u become a conclusion

You sir that is alright, please show me a story book with different starting chapters. Just one example will do sir.

If you can't relate this to the Eternal Creator... then your brilliance should be called to question. cheesy

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 1:08pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
You sir that is alright, please show me a story book with different starting chapters. Just one example will do sir.

If you can't relate this to the Eternal Creator... then your brilliance should be called to question.

how can u say u DONT KNOW if the creator is one or many

then say u have arrived at a conclusion that there AN external creator

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 1:14pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
how can u say u DONT KNOW if the creator is one or many

then say u have arrived at a conclusion that there AN external creator

Because I do not have the granular details to feed your logic driven mindset.

This is my opinion, if it is the TRUTH, let TIME and COMMON SENSE prove me right or wrong.

I await your common sense example to counter my position.

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 1:20pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
Because I do not have the granular details to feed your logic driven mindset.

You dont have the detalis... are u accepting that u just lied that there is AN external creator?

This is my opinion, if it is the TRUTH, let TIME and COMMON SENSE prove me right or wrong.

if what is the truth? your lies that there is An external creator when u dont have the details? when u dont know if there are other cretors too?

I await your common sense example to counter my position.

what is ur position? select one below

- there is AN external creator

- I dont know if the creator is ONE or MANY

You cant make two statements and call it a position...

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 1:29pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
You dont have the detalis... are u accepting that u just lied that there is AN external creator?

if what is the truth? your lies that there is An external creator when u dont have the details? when u dont know if there are other cretors too?

what is ur position? select one below

- there is AN external creator

- I dont know if the creator is ONE or MANY

You cant make two statements and call it a position...

Did I type external or Eternal? Are you blind?

My Personal Opinion is there is AN ETERNAL CREATOR.

Why I added the other part is to let you know that I don't have the details to convince you whether the Creator is one or many.

Leave TIME and COMMON SENSE to judge me because your opinion on the matter changes nothing.

I AM STILL WAITING FOR ONE COMMON SENSE EXAMPLE FROM YOU TO COUNTER MY POSITION ON A SINGLE ETERNAL CREATOR.

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 1:44pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
Did I type external or Eternal? Are you blind?

lol

My Personal Opinion is there is AN ETERNAL CREATOR.

its then a wrong opinion... since u ave already indicated that u have no details about any creator... you said u dont know if the creator is one or many... u cant be blowing hot and cold at the same time.

Why I added the other part is to let you know that I don't have the details to convince you whether the Creator is one or many.

u added the part because u dont have details... how then did u get the detail that the creator is one and external? how can u know what u have accepted that u dont know?

Leave TIME and COMMON SENSE to judge me because your opinion on the matter changes nothing.

I AM STILL WAITING FOR ONE COMMON SENSE EXAMPLE FROM YOU TO COUNTER MY POSITION ON A SINGLE ETERNAL CREATOR.

i am still waiting to hear what ur position is..

chose one position out of these two..

- there is AN eternal creator

- I dont know if the creator is ONE or MANY

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 1:49pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
lol

its then a wrong opinion... since u ave already indicated that u have no details about any creator... you said u dont know if the creator is one or many... u cant be blowing hot and cold at the same time.

u added the part because u dont have details... how then did u get the detail that the creator is one and external? how can u know what u have accepted that u dont know?

i am still waiting to hear what ur position is..

chose one position out of these two..

- there is AN eternal creator

- I dont know if the creator is ONE or MANY

You are trying to use my words against me. I have typed what I typed there with a clear thought process...unless you are trying to prove you that you can read my mind.

By Intuition and Common Sense I "Know" there is an Eternal (not External) Creator, But Logic cannot establish it yet as there are no granular details to help logic catch up with Intuition

Only the passage of time and the help of common sense will prove me right or wrong...and not the opinion of a logic driven human being who does not have "complete details or knowledge"

THERE IS AN ETERNAL CREATOR.

GIVE ONE COMMON SENSE EXAMPLE TO COUNTER MY POSITION BEFORE YOU CONCLUDE I AM WRONG...

You are really showing your intelligence right now cheesy

Please demonstrate your thought process on why my opinion is wrong with just one common sense example

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 1:52pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
You are trying to use my words against me. I have typed what I typed there with a clear thought process...unless you are trying to prove you that you can read my mind.

THERE IS AN ETERNAL CREATOR.

GIVE ONE COMMON SENSE EXAMPLE TO COUNTER MY POSITION BEFORE YOU CONCLUDE I AM WRONG...

You are really showing your intelligence right now Please demonstrate your thought process on why my opinion is wrong with just one common sense example

How did u know the creator is one and not many

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 2:01pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
How did u know the creator is one and not many

Because common sense dictates that a Story (e.g. the Universe) has only one starting point (Chapter 1), hence only one creator.

Please if you said a baby knows this, but you repeat this question again...never you claim to be an intelligent person on a public forum.

Can we bet that you will ask this question again? undecided

NOW GIVE ME ONE COMMON SENSE EXAMPLE TO COUNTER MY OPINION ON A SINGLE ETERNAL CREATOR

If you cannot give me one basic example...you have no right to claim whether my conclusion is right or wrong.

I only laugh at people that claim are intelligent but common sense proves otherwise cheesy

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 2:11pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
Because common sense dictates that a Story (e.g. the Universe) has only one starting point, hence only one creator. [/]
one starting points means one creator? what kind of common sense is this?

what if i tell u that from the size and multiple function of the universe, i dont think it was started by one eternal being, rather, there must be many eternal beings who started the universe... would u think that logic lacks common sense?

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 2:16pm On Nov 07, 2017

[quote author=frank317 post=62157763][/quote]You might be right...because your view point is more expansive...

But do you know why I do not agree? If there is a story book with several starting points (Chapter 1s)...then your point of view can hold water.

My question to you is... Did these Eternal Creators come from One Source or Different Sources?

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 2:18pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
what if i tell u that from the size and multiple function of the universe, i dont think it was started by one eternal being, rather, there must be many eternal beings who started the universe... who u think that logic lacks common sense?

You might be right...because your view point is more expansive...

But do you know why I do not agree? If there is a story book with several starting points (Chapter 1s)...then your point of view can hold water.

My question to you is... Did these Eternal Creators come from One Source or Different Sources?

Do you really want to identify the starting point of a circle you never drew? cheesy

...be my guest in this quest of TRUTH

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by frank317: 2:22pm On Nov 07, 2017

OkaiCorne:
You might be right...because your view point is more expansive...

But do you know why I do not agree? If there is a story book with several starting points (Chapter 1s)...then your point of view can hold water.

the universe is not a story book.

the universe cannot be compared with a story book. The start of a story book is an activity that happens in the universe. The universe is beyond the activities in it.

My question to you is... Did these Eternal Creators come from One Source or Different Sources?

I dont believe the universe has an external creator... my position is.. I DONT KNOW HOW THE universe came about. Stop asking me a question and stop believing i think the universe has a creator when i am just using ur own point against u.

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 2:28pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
the universe is not a story book.

the universe cannot be compared with a story book. The start of a story book is an activity that happens in the universe. The universe is beyond the activities in it.

I dont believe the universe has an external creator... my position is.. I DONT KNOW HOW THE universe came about. Stop asking me a question and stop believing i think the universe has a creator when i am just using ur own point against u.

For the records again...it is ETERNAL and not External...please these are different things abeg,

You are using my points against me...is that the farthest your intelligence can carry you? Please use one common sense example to counter my opinion before concluding I am wrong I have given you countless basic examples and I have not seen one from you

Also use one common sense example to back up your own conclusion. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMMON SENSE EXAMPLE ... PLEASE LET OTHERS THAT ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN YOU TRY THEIR LUCK

You are the first intelligent person I have come across that cannot back up his opinion with common sense cheesy

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by OkaiCorne(m): 2:43pm On Nov 07, 2017

frank317:
the universe is not a story book.

the universe cannot be compared with a story book. The start of a story book is an activity that happens in the universe. The universe is beyond the activities in it.

I dont believe the universe has an external creator... my position is.. I DONT KNOW HOW THE universe came about. Stop asking me a question and stop believing i think the universe has a creator when i am just using ur own point against u.

I like the way you are gradually exposing your motives on this thread. The urge to prove me wrong seems to make you more fulfilled in life...

You don't want to learn anything with your closed logic driven mindset...but you want to conclude on matters that goes beyond logic... undecided

I guess I have been trying to teach a logic driven robot all these while...

Unfortunately, your opinions do not affect my life in anyway...neither does it count.

IF YOUR SPERM CELL AT ITS LEVEL CONCLUDES IT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE...I WONDER IF THAT MEANS YOU AS THE CREATOR DO NOT EXIST AS A SINGULAR BEING

Re: Second amendment-> How do you find God, By intuition or by Logic? by Akin1212(op): 2:44pm On Nov 07, 2017

Babacele:
come off it bro. a factor beyond your control is responsible for your biological processes whether it is breathing, digestion or sleeping. Call it chemical or whatever the well coordinated processes kill the microorganisms and spare some and like a well built engine everypart works fine according to the builder's original plan. Why it is like that the engine may never know. Even when sleep, these processes go on without your permission. [b]Oh tell me that it is not an imbalance in the number of a particular colony of bacteria in a quantity of fresh milk that gives yoghurt [/b]or that the introduction of a foreign germ ,virus, into our body causes breakdown or imbalance in us we tag HIV?
2. Tell me the most sophisticated and complicated machine on earth - man, is not intelligently made? photosynthesis, DNA structures, electric fish, the eagle , weathering, Rainfall , the planetary bodies etc are a result of an intelligent and unconscious energy?

3. There are different forms of the manifestation of the Universal intelligent force, energy or God. Funning enough I was dumped by a religionist Christian lover few months ago when I referred to God as a Universal intelligent Force. I really damn in love with her but she feels God is a robot meant for only Christians definition alone. So I ask again you again when you sleep are the one controlling your breathing?

Because you don't understand it you concluded it's a factor beyond our control? Never ever say what you don't know. It's a sin against knowledge. And I am still repeating it to you again that not all the processes you have been mentioning kill microorganisms, and the ones that do, do so chemically. Since it happens chemically, it needs an amount of chemical energy to take place. If there is no energy, it will not take place. Whether God is there or not. Energy doesn't depend on the influence of any god. The process that kills the microorganisms in our body is not well coordinated, that's another blunder and fallacy from you. Do you need to go an read about it before we continue? I'll give you the chance to do so.

That being said, man is not the most sophisticated machine in the world. The abusers of science like you will keep saying what they don't know. Who told you that man is the most sophisticated machine on earth? You should google this to see that. To start with, we are not machines, stop using figurative descriptions. We are talking reality here. We are just a bunch of non-living constituents connected by energy interactions. Physical energy, chemical, heat energy etc. And those energies are converted from the universal energy. You need to understand this before you say anything about biological processes. If you don't have a deep knowledge about biological processes you cannot argu it. All you know is that there is a force(which is totally wrong) and then you want to describe what you don't know with the force.

Sorry for your lover who dumped you. To me, both of you are the same. You are both coming from different directions but will arrive at the God junction.
Nobody controls breathe, whether you're sleeping or not. Two types of muscle controls breathe and the overall control comes from the brain, the respiratory centre. I see where you are coming from, my friend. Your lack of understanding of bioilogical processes has blinded you. You obviously think God is the one doing all these things? grin

I will give you time to go and learn these things before we continue.

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