chibabe259:


It is hypocritical for one to condemn tithing and accept offering seeing that the two were mentioned in Malachi. If you go to some rural communities, people still pay tithe with farm products.

This is common sense approach to the tithing subject. The end of discussion. Enjoy!

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This is the best illustration of Tithing I have read In ages

“When you go to church today and feel the AC blowing through your wig into your skull, know that you are eating out of your tithe.…when the bass guitarists, the keyboardist and other guys on the drums are delivering some good music during praise and you’re dancing everywhere and removing your coat, uncle they pay those guys working for God, know that you are eating out of your tithe. … Most Sundays you don’t go to church because you depend on nepa to iron your cloths, it is the same thing in the house of God, we don’t depend on NEPA to power the church, we pay for fuel and diesel, so when you go to church today and enjoy uninterrupted worship, know that you are eating out of your tithe.… If you go to church to charge your phones and you grudge about tithe, well, your case is different. … When we invite Pst Nathaniel Bassey to lead you in worship to our God, it is not his trumpet he will eat when he goes back home after ushering the Holy Ghost into your life with his ministration, it is not halleluyah challenge his landlord will eat, we give them minister’s gifts to support the work God is also doing through them, it is the meat that you have stored in God’s house that we use to feed them. So when Travis Greene comes from the UK to raise the roof in praise and worship dance very well because it is your tithe. " Who deserves to live in lekki? The pastor that feeds you daily with God’s word or Timaya that adds nothing to your Christian faith? Who deserves to drive the best cars? Your pastor glorifying God or Iyanya winding waist with naked women glorifying mammon? One witch somewhere will just be vexing for nothing that we are giving to advance the kingdom, you grudge when asked to donate to a church project, you grudge when asked to pay tithe, you think it’s your squeezed 50naira that makes you comfortable in worship at church? Witches campaigning for people not to pay tithe to God when they cheerfully pay Millions for a table for 5 at AY shows. Witches!!!”
"The right perception to tithing"
(Please pause and read this)
I have tried so hard to avoid this tithing or no tithing debate, but It will be so ungrateful of me to keep quiet and watch some folk misunderstand a principle that gives me great peace.
I'm not going to quote a single scripture to defend this, if the Bible is too deep for us to understand, then maybe it is time we try common sense.
We don't tithe because we want to receive from God, we don't tithe to buy God's blessings, it is not a give and take something, it is not a trade by barter principle. God's blessings and favours comes upon us in a million amazing ways without giving a penny, most times the blessings we hardly take notice, He just loves us, unconditionally, whether we are giving to Him or not. He gave us Jesus without our consent, He sent His son at a time when we least deserved it, that's how much He has been giving to us without asking anything back in return.
I don't care about being under law, under grace or under mercy, I just love the Lord with all my heart, and with all that is within me. I give back a tenth of all that He gives to me not in an attempt to provoke Him to do more, but to maintain my local assembly. I tithe to ensure that there is meat in His house. I understand that it is His duty to maintain the spiritual needs of His house, but since He has given me the capacity to contribute to the physical and material needs of His house, I WILL.
It will be an insult to go to church one day and learn that pastor couldn't come because he went to work so he can pay his children's school fees. I tithe to make sure that my pastor's sermons are not influenced by hunger and lack.
It gives me great joy to know that my tithe contributes to the salaries of the staffs working night and day in God's house.
I tithe to ensure that God's propert

Leonbonapart:
you are actually in spiritual slavery... So you will never till the end come on you

Slave

E pain am.

Who are the WE? He should just speak for himself. A lot of people claim to be Christians but they don't read their bible .

Christian Tithing is doctrinal error, it's a hoax, it's a fraud.
But since many acclaimed Christians believe more in their pastors than the word of God itself.
No matter how you show them the truth, they won't listen because their mind is made up already.

anonimi:


Was Jesus Christ not conceived out of wedlock?
Stop saying things that expose how shallow you are please.

outside wedlock without sex but by the Spirit of God

But Pastor Chris Okotie could not fix his two sham marriages, yet he collects Tithes. Also Pastor Chris Oyakhilome too could not fix his marriage and he collects Tithe. So, Mr Uche Maduagwu, say something else.

Savage undiluted

aribisala0:

Offerings are mentioned very frequently in Judaism. One of the commonest was the guilt offering
The guilt offering is to be slaughtered in the place where the burnt offering is slaughtered, and its blood is to be splashed against the sides of the altar.

— Leviticus 7:2

Offerings typically were animals offered

as so called
SIN OFFERING
Laws for Sin Offerings
1Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2"Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'If a person sins unintentionally in any of the things which the LORD has commanded not to be done, and commits any of them, 3if the anointed priest sins so as to bring guilt on the people, then let him offer to the LORD a bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed


Burnt offerings
During the First Temple and Second Temple periods, the burnt offering was a twice-daily animal sacrifice offered on the altar in the temple in Jerusalem that was completely consumed by fire. The skin of the animal, however, was not burnt but given to the priests respective of their priestly division. These skins are listed as one of the twenty-four priestly gifts in Tosefta Halla.
I would like to believe that Chritianity has obviated the need for burnt offerings .I stand to be corrected
WOMEN OFFERINGS
The offerings following childbirth as described in the Book of Leviticus, 12.
Thank offering and its accompanying meal offering following recovery from illness or danger.
The Passover sacrifice on Passover. Women could offer the sacrifice and hold a Passover Seder themselves if they wished, even if married.
Sin offerings or guilt offerings in atonement for transgressions and unintentional errors.
Offerings relevant to fulfillment of, or transgression of, the Nazirite vow.
Offerings following cure from certain diseases and unusual bodily discharges.
No where is it about REGULARLY giving MONEY to priests at 10% of income


The trouble is people go aroun claiming to be Christians but never read the bible and rely on others to tell them what is in the bible

I LOVE THE BOLDED. You are blessed. READ, NO, STUDY YOUR BIBLE, they will never listen.
.

I thought both pastor Chris has marital issue?
And their wives going their ways?


Abeg I'm with freeze 247

Rockyrocky:
Am so sorry, I can't help you.

ok but mind ur business

chibabe259:



Will you use those Two's mistake to justify the evil?

ok, then why did this heavenly fool say such a think to him when he is saying some thing humanly real, I hate when I see people talk like slaves.

chibabe259:


Freeze has nothing to offer and can't be my role model. Jesus and his disciples didn't pay tithe but did they say we shouldn't pay?.

Christ is your role model. Christian means those that behave like Christ so behave like the master.

This what we call red herring and straw-man in an argument, this Charmeleon face actor is diverting the argument focused, presented into a personal one, how does tithe and marriage relate? Are there no pastors with broken marriages people like pastor Oyakhilome and pastor Chris Okotie?

This actor just give Daddy freeze a real counter argument to finish the pastors(I hope he responds), this actor doesn't know how to argue with premise argument.

modelmike7:
TALKING OUT OF POINT!!!

Totally out of point. There is a type of fallacy this guy just committed. Leaving the issue and attacking the person. Shay Pst. Chris marriage crash, em no still dey preach?

aribisala0:

Offerings are mentioned very frequently in Judaism. One of the commonest was the guilt offering
The guilt offering is to be slaughtered in the place where the burnt offering is slaughtered, and its blood is to be splashed against the sides of the altar.

— Leviticus 7:2

Offerings typically were animals offered

as so called
SIN OFFERING
Laws for Sin Offerings
1Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2"Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'If a person sins unintentionally in any of the things which the LORD has commanded not to be done, and commits any of them, 3if the anointed priest sins so as to bring guilt on the people, then let him offer to the LORD a bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed


Burnt offerings
During the First Temple and Second Temple periods, the burnt offering was a twice-daily animal sacrifice offered on the altar in the temple in Jerusalem that was completely consumed by fire. The skin of the animal, however, was not burnt but given to the priests respective of their priestly division. These skins are listed as one of the twenty-four priestly gifts in Tosefta Halla.
I would like to believe that Chritianity has obviated the need for burnt offerings .I stand to be corrected
WOMEN OFFERINGS
The offerings following childbirth as described in the Book of Leviticus, 12.
Thank offering and its accompanying meal offering following recovery from illness or danger.
The Passover sacrifice on Passover. Women could offer the sacrifice and hold a Passover Seder themselves if they wished, even if married.
Sin offerings or guilt offerings in atonement for transgressions and unintentional errors.
Offerings relevant to fulfillment of, or transgression of, the Nazirite vow.
Offerings following cure from certain diseases and unusual bodily discharges.
No where is it about REGULARLY giving MONEY to priests at 10% of income


The trouble is people go aroun claiming to be Christians but never read the bible and rely on others to tell them what is in the bible

Trash

Diamondville:
they have different types of tithes just as they had different types of offerings

But there's no were in the Bible were tithes were paid with money so why do pastors collect money?

divorced pastors did not come out one day and started poke nosing on people's business,but Freeze has gathered ant infested fire wood and has called the lizards to a bountiful feast.so he shud mend his home first and stop dabbling in people's affairs by the way did we ask him to be our mouthpiece that we're tired of paying tithe,is it even is money or how is it his concern whether the pastors' use it to buy cars and jets.he shud remove the log in his eyes before removing oda people's own.

MY TAKE ON TITHING. (PAYING OF TITHE, IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG) READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT.

I have tried so hard to avoid this tithing or no tithing debate, but It will be so ungrateful of me to keep quiet and watch some folk misunderstand a principle that gives me great peace.

I'm not going to quote a single scripture to defend this, if the Bible is too deep for us to understand, then maybe it is time we try common sense.

We don't tithe because we want to receive from God, we don't tithe to buy God's blessings, it is not a give and take something, it is not a trade by batter principle. God's blessings and favours comes upon us in a million amazing ways without giving a penny, most times the blessings we hardly take notice, He just loves us, unconditionally, whether we are giving to Him or not. He gave us Jesus without our consent, He sent His son at a time when we least deserved it, that's how much He has been giving to us without asking anything back in return.

I don't care about being under law, under grace or under mercy, I just love the Lord with all my heart, and with all that is within me. I give back a tenth of all that He gives to me not in an attempt to provoke Him to do more, but to maintain my local assembly. I tithe to ensure that there is meat in His house. I understand that it is His duty to maintain the spiritual needs of His house, but since He has given me the capacity to contribute to the physical and material needs of His house, I WILL.

It will be an insult to go to church one day and learn that pastor couldn't come because he went to work so he can pay his children's school fees. I tithe to make sure that my pastor's sermons are not influenced by hunger and lack.

It gives me great joy to know that my tithe contributes to the salaries of the staffs working night and day in God's house.

I tithe to ensure that God's properties are protected while I sleep very well in my house. I don't want to come back next service day to learn that thieves have stolen the church microphones and generator because we cannot hire security guards to keep watch.

If driving a good car helps my pastor spread the gospel across many towns and cities, I will tithe for him to buy a private jet so that he can fly everywhere and spread the gospel faster.

I tithe to maintain His house.
I tithe to finance the gospel.

I refuse to allow the under law and under grace debate make God look complicated to me. The Levite priests did not have electricity problem in their time, bad roads and traffic was not a problem to spreading the gospel, yet God's people were still giving to maintain God's house. It's still the same today, different scenarios.

If living in Lekki will make my pastor beat traffic and come early for service I will tithe for him to buy a house there. If living in banana island will make him accessible to God's people I will tithe to make it happen.

I tithe so that the generator will never lack diesel. I tithe because it will be uncomfortable for me to worship God in the hot heat with someone who has body odour, I tithe for God's house to have a good AC.

I tithe to enjoy the same quality of music people enjoy in the clubs and bars. I tithe for the church to have a good sound system. I tithe for the church to afford professional instrumentalists and sound engineers to make my worship experience more exciting.

I tithe for the church to continue giving bobo and popcorn to our kids in the children's church.

If my tithe is helping the outreach department take care of the poor and needy I will keep tithing.

If my tithe contributes to the logistics that will fly Bishop TD Jakes down here to give me a different dimension of the Word, I will keep tithing.

If my tithe makes the gospel concerts and word conferences FREE, I will keep tithing.

I tithe not as a batter to receive, it is not a means of exchange, how much can i really pay? I tithe to keep His house running so that I can always run there to refill and recharge.

So whether it is old testament, new testament or future testament, it is our duty to maintain our local assembly, and this is why I tithe cheerfully.

The best news is that you cannot take care of God's house and live in lack. It all comes back to us in different ways, pressed down, shaken together, and rolling over.

It's just common sense guys, just common sense. I don't care if I loose some members of the Jesus gang over tithing, I don't care if tithing is practiced under law, under grace, or under the mango tree, I don't care if it is an old testament or a new testament principle, all I know is that giving to God got me this far, building His house is what preserves me, I will keep tithing even in the future Testament.

#copied #copied #copied
I was hoping to write on this topic but fortunately, this writers took everything from my mind.

PLS NOTE:
There's nothing wrong about paying your tithe and helping the poor at the same time.

honniemail:
Eepa.. this is too much ....

i canor take dis..

.oya oga frezz let d fixing begin asap so that d sheepie wil listen to u on tithe

Who marriage Epp? This Uche wey i never even see for any movie self dey talk..

GreenMavro:
I went to visit my girlfriend yesterday at night in her house. As usual I threw some jokes And a guy under the bed laughed

no time

This one shirted guy.he is looking for attention. Ewu hausa!

NotNairalandi:
But what concerns Tithe with Marriage?

you mean anyone who does not pay tithe always experience crash marriage

So pastor chris oyakilo does not pay tithe also........


Uche,please can you do me a favour?.....Just gerraraahear mehn!

oouchhh!!! I can see the post really hit you hard!! Mr thief stop robbing God.

This guy and one cloth sha...

Temysteve:
oouchhh!!! I can see the post really hit you hard!! Mr thief stop robbing God.

Religious slave...

CampuChan:
Corruption (TITHES) is fighting back.

Tithe is fighting back? How? is it not the people that are paying it that are fighting back. In other words the "sheep" have refused to be freed! Well in the first place they were not bound. The person lashing back at freeze is an actor not a pastor, a tithe payer and not a tithe receiver so how is tithe fighting back?

sacluxisback:


Religious slave...

Thank you! You'll surely choose 1, its either you serve God or devil.

HeWrites:
Self acclaimed Nollywood actor, Uche Maduagwu has taken to social media to shade the heck out of OAP Daddy Freeze over his tithing controversy.

The actor who shared a picture collage of himself alongside Apostle Suleiman and Daddy Freeze, disclosed that Nigerians will take Freeze more seriously if he fixes his marriage with his first wife and mother of his two kids, Opeyemi.

He wrote:
Nigerians will #listen to you on tithes, if only you can fix your #marriage with Opeyemi @daddyfreeze Charity they say begins at #home, you spend so much time and energy writing against tithe on #instagram, but if only you can save just half of this #energy into finding a solution to fixing your marriage, maybe, we can start taking you serious. @daddyfreeze Apostle Suleman is like a #father to me, but you made me #laugh

When you said you wanted a debate with him, that thought pattern is obviously above your pay grade sir, but of course, even spiritual rascality is allowed in a #country like #Nigeria, but first things first, work on fixing your marriage with Opeyemi, maybe, Nigerians will start taking you serious, its just simple and pure logic, you can’t fix our #Religion, if you are not matured enough to fixing or saving your own marriage. #repost #cool#nollywood #pics #actor #blogger #naija#good #wife"

http://www.torimill.com/2017/11/will-listen-to-you-on-tithes-if-you-fix.html

Onye Asai, u should also Ask him to fix his marriage before u stop Fornicating.. .
Onye Ala Ogbete.

modelmike7:
TALKING OUT OF POINT!!!

As in!

Desyner:
The freeze of a man must have frozen brain for him to think use of private jets by church leaders jets makes payment of tithes/offering wrong.
Let him fix himself before removing 'moth' in the eyes of the 'sheeple'.

So he has been right all along! Since u just agreed there is moth in the sheepies eyes.

tonio2wo:


So he has been right all along! Since u just agreed there is moth in the sheepies eyes.

Can you read at all? Moth is different from 'moth'. One has single quotes to show its usage isn't regular.

Desyner:
Can you read at all? Moth is different from 'moth'. One has single quotes to show its usage isn't regular.

M personal opinion on tithes. ( Please excuse typos as this was done in a rush)

Tithes
1. It is primary and the most effective way to fund or support the church and its operation. The temple was funded by this. It was used to pay the salary of the Priest Pastors and serving officials ( levites etc), feed the poor, print out bulletins, run the generator, seminar , crusades etc (in our present dispensation) .Where are you expecting them to get the money from. The church should be seen as self sufficent and well established based on the finicial strength of members. Organisations, associations, societies etc have finicial members which were levied to help support the group they belong to.
2. The levites / church pastors should imensly benefit from this tithes deutronomy 14: 27-28. Do not muzzle the ox when it tread out grain (Deut 25:4)
3. Eery form of minupulations on tithes for ones selfish gain would attract serious punishmnet from God,1 sam 2:12-17. It is meant to bless the body of christ and not for business entrprise.
4. tithes is no limited to money. A tithes of your energy, time, food stuff, service are areas not yet discussed.I still wonder why
5. Tithes should be given freely and cheerfully so as offering and the rest. Giving tithes under duress and munipulation would only bring more curses.
6. There are blessings attached to tithes offfering etc no matter what people say. I dont need to quote bible verses to support this.People are know to make covenant through tithes and are richly blessed. I AM a LIVING TESTIMONY . I gave more than my tithes and a huge chunk of my salary to a church struggling to survive in a village. barely months later, I saw the Good hand of the LORD manifest.
7. Orthodox church give account of what they spend yearly and ask people to questions. A church who expects people to see the effect of their tithes and offering should take a cue. Note I have not been in a catholic church but grew up in the orthodox church before moving to the penticostal movement. so i cant say much about them
8. The tithes is untouchable and sacred and belongs to the Church and God. No one in his right senses should criticise the church for tithes implementation or use his tithes for selfish gain. No one should also touch what belongs to God including pastors xcept it was allocate even though he/she is the so called founder
9. Pastors get a lot through Prophet offerings, Good will offering, business ventures .The disciple were fishermen, tent makers , lawyers etc. It was easy to switch to other jobs at their leisure time especially when they do not want to make unecessary demand on the church. Some founders still maintain their initial Job or skill set for other reason. Most of this business ventures were not registered under the church but they enjoy Good patronage as people see it as a means of encouraging the owners to further preogress the priniple of Doing Good specially to the members to the household of faith. Imagine the patronage level if the founder or pastorage is involved.
10. Donation could be jet , properties , Land etc. Celebrities still enjoy a high level of Good will in this area. Soif a MOG enjoy this benefits after checks and balance is properly done, then why the criticism?
11. There are honorable mentions of pastors using their wealth. but also pastors (like eli sons) not worth the mention as quote in 1 sam 2:12-

12. People like freeze ( note I have remove the daddy nomenclature ) should not turn the scripture into a laughing stock. He who come to the table must come with a clean heart. Dont like the fact that he is claiming moral right. when John osteen church "refuses" to allow people in during flood , freese castigate. meanwhile VI was flooded yet he never led by example. His marraige is in crisis, (i am sure he would have criticise Oyakhilome) . Do you want me to follow him and claim scriptural truth. I have my own fault and acknowelge them. that is why I am not a pastor.

THESE ARE MY PERSONAL OPINIONS Though

kingsbuoy:
M personal opinion on tithes. ( Please excuse typos as this was done in a rush)

Tithes
1. It is primary and the most effective way to fund or support the church and its operation. The temple was funded by this. It was used to pay the salary of the Priest Pastors and serving officials ( levites etc), feed the poor, print out bulletins, run the generator, seminar , crusades etc (in our present dispensation) .Where are you expecting them to get the money from. The church should be seen as self sufficent and well established based on the finicial strength of members. Organisations, associations, societies etc have finicial members which were levied to help support the group they belong to.
2. The levites / church pastors should imensly benefit from this tithes deutronomy 14: 27-28. Do not muzzle the ox when it tread out grain (Deut 25:4)
3. Eery form of minupulations on tithes for ones selfish gain would attract serious punishmnet from God,1 sam 2:12-17. It is meant to bless the body of christ and not for business entrprise.
4. tithes is no limited to money. A tithes of your energy, time, food stuff, service are areas not yet discussed.I still wonder why
5. Tithes should be given freely and cheerfully so as offering and the rest. Giving tithes under duress and munipulation would only bring more curses.
6. There are blessings attached to tithes offfering etc no matter what people say. I dont need to quote bible verses to support this.People are know to make covenant through tithes and are richly blessed. I AM a LIVING TESTIMONY . I gave more than my tithes and a huge chunk of my salary to a church struggling to survive in a village. barely months later, I saw the Good hand of the LORD manifest.
7. Orthodox church give account of what they spend yearly and ask people to questions. A church who expects people to see the effect of their tithes and offering should take a cue. Note I have not been in a catholic church but grew up in the orthodox church before moving to the penticostal movement. so i cant say much about them
8. The tithes is untouchable and sacred and belongs to the Church and God. No one in his right senses should criticise the church for tithes implementation or use his tithes for selfish gain. No one should also touch what belongs to God including pastors xcept it was allocate even though he/she is the so called founder
9. Pastors get a lot through Prophet offerings, Good will offering, business ventures .The disciple were fishermen, tent makers , lawyers etc. It was easy to switch to other jobs at their leisure time especially when they do not want to make unecessary demand on the church. Some founders still maintain their initial Job or skill set for other reason. Most of this business ventures were not registered under the church but they enjoy Good patronage as people see it as a means of encouraging the owners to further preogress the priniple of Doing Good specially to the members to the household of faith. Imagine the patronage level if the founder or pastorage is involved.
10. Donation could be jet , properties , Land etc. Celebrities still enjoy a high level of Good will in this area. Soif a MOG enjoy this benefits after checks and balance is properly done, then why the criticism?
11. There are honorable mentions of pastors using their wealth. but also pastors (like eli sons) not worth the mention as quote in 1 sam 2:12-

12. People like freeze ( note I have remove the daddy nomenclature ) should not turn the scripture into a laughing stock. He who come to the table must come with a clean heart. Dont like the fact that he is claiming moral right. when John osteen church "refuses" to allow people in during flood , freese castigate. meanwhile VI was flooded yet he never led by example. His marraige is in crisis, (i am sure he would have criticise Oyakhilome) . Do you want me to follow him and claim scriptural truth. I have my own fault and acknowelge them. that is why I am not a pastor.

THESE ARE MY PERSONAL OPINIONS Though

Honestly it is sad that you put in a lot or energy and words into what is essentially empty. You absolutely fail to grasp the core issue. That the scriptural basis for tithes as mandatory in Christianity is weak or non existent. Anyone is free to make voluntary contribution to the church. It cannot function without money. The issue is COMPULSORY PAYMENT of 10% of your salary to the church and the idea that if you don't you will be CURSED. What is the biblical basis for that in the teaching of Jesus

What relevance is it if his marriage is crisis that he has haemorrhoids or HIV





So if he comes out to complain about the economy we can expect Kemi Adeosun to come and say his marriage is in Crisis?

Marriage is now the test of decency or humanity. Nothing captures the hypocrisy of many socalled Christians better than that statement.