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tbaba12345:
From that comment, Ajagun was playing for the worst team and was not starting at that time.

Those are 2 considerations.

Nwakali is playing at least. For Nwakali's invite, i did say, it was a surprising call but we should see what he can offer.

I will say the same if Ajagun is invited.

soetanoreoluwa:
I'm sorry to say this... His name calling of some players is making this thread boring to me... In my personal opinion though .. Atleast he's not the only Yoruba guy here...

It's well with him... Am not really sure, there were time back that Yorubas polluted Nigeria team.oga icon4s ,kog45, Taliban please help me out .. Go check the female football compare the Yoruba players to other ethnics...

This is killing and destructing this country..


I know someone will still use big grammar to defend him and call all his words facts...

His players are not the only players that have excellent stat even others didn't shout...

I love forgiveness euthusiam but his ways of shouting and repeating words is killing... Seriously killing... I'm also a Yoruba guy too but I think if you mention things once or twice you stopped instead of calling names...

It's well with him...

komekn:
An objective based argument is one that is based on proven facts, authoritative and substantive facts not prejudice.

What are the facts

1) The EPL is rated Number 1 or 2 in the world depending which respected and or authoritative ratings body you make reference too.

https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1458287-ranking-the-top-20-world-football-leagues-statistically
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2836244/Premier-League-emerges-best-world-following-Sportsmail-s-depth-study-global-football.html
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/786046-power-ranking-the-top-30-leagues-in-europe
https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/10-Reasons-Why-All-The-World-Loves-The-EPL

2) Ratings are not absolutes but indicators for informed projection to be made. Using the baseline data, is it prejudice to rate a league higher in a far higher rated league because that's what you call it.

3) The ratings of a league and a top team in that league have an impact on the player rating as well , is that what you call prejudice

4) A methodology based on performance measurements devoid of personal subjective and emotive preferences is what clubs use around the world to identify players in the first instance. That is what you call prejudice

5) What these methodical objective based assessments highlight in the world context is how far the Chines league has come up and how high some of the south American leagues are.

6) In the 1990's like other things our domestic leagues were strong and there was not a mad dash to leave Nigeria. That is a complete irreverent comparison as things stand now and have been for over 10 years, your statement is totally misleading, WHY Consider that ; Amokachi was at Brugge and the stand out player before going to Everton. Yekini was the top goal scorer in the Portuguese league, 2015 I was at Sporting Braga the then sporting Director Augustino was still talking about him with amazement. For goodnes sake Amunike was at Sporting L then went on to Barcelona. I really do not need to talk about the Ajax boys of Finidi, Oliseh, Kanu and later Tijani. In comparison our current set of players are actually very badly under achieving our player of that era were in the top clubs and leagues of Europe. So what on earth is your point you are giving credence to show yourself as being bigoted and having unjustifiable animosity emanating from prejudice.

7) Lets have an elementary lesson , what is prejudice preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience What do you know about English football How many EPL and English league coaches and managers do you now How many coaching sessions have you watched and or coached, how many players do you know, live games watched, etc , etc

My primary area of experiential knowledge and understanding is English football, it is not prejudice but specialism. Yes I speak to people in the Eredivisie not managers mainly coaches and recruiters. But i would not proffer their opinions here and therefore reluctant to make in depth commentary on their players beyond the basics.


9) It was alleged that i do not consider players outside of the EPL , which is not true. I gave credence by giving examples of numerous players who left League 1 straight into the EPL. But with the proviso that they should be outstanding in team and league as the justification for a call up.

10) It is methodical and objective to consider players in a far higher league as being superior on average. That is not prejudice , but measurable and proven fact all things being equal or generally speaking. Of course there will be exceptions. The Eredivisie is ranked over 10 places below the EPL that is a huge gulf. Is it therefore not feasible to rank the Eredivisie on par or even lower than the English Championship and in that regard the Norwegian league which is 30 places below on par or much lower than League 1. Is that prejudice or methodical comparison measurement

11)The highest goals to game ratio in European leagues, is in the Eredivisie who often manage over 3 goals per game. But what does that say about a league where goals come so cheaply Form your own opinion.


Finally, can the vitriolic, antagonistic, spiteful and rancorous rhetoric stop as some of us sound like a bitter woman scorned on her wedding day left holding the flowers with no bridegroom We can agree to disagree, i am not part of the NFF and would never be officially, all i give are opinions.

Mickael2:
So for you the fact there is that they have 'pea-sized minds', I am pretty sure you cannot conduct a brain surgery so tell me how you figured out the size(s) of their mind(s).

Like Mujtahida implored though, I am sorry for questioning your life's achievements, I have never met you personally nor you me, so I was wrong to go that far, accept my sincere apologies

soetanoreoluwa:
I'm sorry to say this... His name calling of some players is making this thread boring to me... In my personal opinion though .. Atleast he's not the only Yoruba guy here...

It's well with him... Am not really sure, there were time back that Yorubas polluted Nigeria team.oga icon4s ,kog45, Taliban please help me out .. Go check the female football compare the Yoruba players to other ethnics...

This is killing and destructing this country..


I know someone will still use big grammar to defend him and call all his words facts...

His players are not the only players that have excellent stat even others didn't shout...

I love forgiveness euthusiam but his ways of shouting and repeating words is killing... Seriously killing... I'm also a Yoruba guy too but I think if you mention things once or twice you stopped instead of calling names...

It's well with him...

terzurum5:
Where is the goal?

Icon4s:
Hmm Eddie Dombraye. I remember that guy. Nigeria produced so many quality youth players in the 80s.

Also reminds me of Bobolayefa Edom.

Kog45:
Look am a Yoruba man but that's the fact,every tribe knows where he belongs to when it comes to sports, economy, social,IT,politics.

Petrobros:
I tell you again: you will do your self good by purging ur heart of Nepotism.

I am not Igbo, so don't think I am on a solidarity mission.

Icon4s said something: that he cares less about comments that are not meaningful or something like that. Have you not noticed he has stopped engaging in discussions with you?

I don't comment much here but I do plenty of observations. I too have personally stopped reading most of your comments. Until you change your approach.

Mujtahida:
I feel our team is not balanced. We play more to the right than to the left. Fact is we have too many right footed players than left footed players in this team. As a nation we seem to be predominantly right footed hence our difficulties in producing LB and LWF. Since Amunike I'm not sure we've had a natural LWF.
An analysis by Solace Chukwu on medium (@oddsolace you guys can check him out) posits that 8 out of 12 goals scored during the WCQ (he wrote this before our last WCQ against Algeria) came as a result of build up from the right flank, 2 from the middle and two from the left.
This is not too healthy in my estimation. Yes a team should play to its strength but at the same time our strength is too obvious and that can possibly make it easy for tactically astute teams to dismantle us

Please let's analyse this issue
Cc Mickael2, Kog45, MetalJigsaw, elyte89, Icon4s, tbaba1234, Joebie, goodjoe, Taliban, forgiveness, komekn, soetanoreoluwa, safarigirl, Icon79, Napoleon55, realpoacher and all on this thread

junnyjake:
I seriously think Etuhu should be part of the present team. Dude still got a lot to offer.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/14/article-0-0A015E92000005DC-901_308x185.jpg

Mujtahida:
Joebie I couldn't grade those you posted their names earlier because I have not watched or followed most of those players so it would be dishonest of me to start grading them even though I have watched some but the ones I have not watched are more.

forgiveness:
The @ bolded suggest you agreed he didn't start only one game yet you are still lying he was not playing then. Fear God oooo.

lexyman:
i like the new of Agali been appointed as the chief scout ..... he may get us some decent striker .... i see him scouting tall and lanky players of his kind . so many good things to fall in place for the eagles

soetanoreoluwa:
Don't think Etuhu is active again... Check out Yak! Still very reliable

tbaba12345:
I am beginning to buy the wisdom of ignoring you...

You can not address issues without personal attacks. What is my business with Ajagun that i should be lying? And this is not the first time that you are saying such rubbish..

Did you see me call for the invite of Nwakali? Did i encourage his invite? I simply said, give him a chance when he was invited.

I am one of the people that has never called you a tribalist but you have called me a liar multiple times over silly things. I would appreciate if you keep conversations on issues.

junnyjake:
Well, this is where Komekn's logic comes to play, if you find yourself in a lower league, strive to be one of the shiny lights there, so you can get attention of teams from the bigger leagues. As a midfielder, scoring 5 goals already is an impressive stat, and if you end the season with 15, then you've done well. You also need to look at the quality of goals as well.

When you have limited time to play in the Serie A and that doesn't deter you from scoring, then you're special. Don't forget, you can't compare the quality of defense in the Serie A to that of Norway. So if you're playing against serious opponents, your mind would tilt towards the Serie A player.


If a striker in Serie A isn't scoring, and he's playing regularly, you ask, does he wastes chances? how clinical is he? How many assists does he have to his name? What's his contributions to the team? Has his positioning been great? Has he been unlucky with the bars or brilliant goal keeping? if your answers are in the -ve, then it'd be a no brainer embracing your goal scoring Belgian league player.

tbaba12345:
I am beginning to buy the wisdom of ignoring you...

You can not address issues without personal attacks. What is my business with Ajagun that i should be lying? And this is not the first time that you are saying such rubbish..

Did you see me call for the invite of Nwakali? Did i encourage his invite? I simply said, give him a chance when he was invited.

I am one of the people that has never called you a tribalist but you have called me a liar multiple times over silly things. I would appreciate if you keep conversations on issues.

Mickael2:
Has Joel Obi been invited?


Meanwhile I have always believed in evolution, species transform to other species kinda stuff. If we didn't try out Ebuehi, we would never know how good he is, I am still not sold on Idowu and I still believe Aina would do a better job at RB or RWB than Ebuehi and Shehu so the LB is still blank. Put Ebuehi in that LWB position and he would have performed worse than Aina. I remember when Tbaba was saying that Aina can play with both feet, I pointed out that it does not work that way, finally everyone saw it on that day. So......the bottomline of my epistle is that the leftside is still vacant......aaaannnndddd in comes Taiwo

Mickael2:
I base my assumptions on facts and figures. Same assumptions helped me point out perfectly that Aina would struggle as a LB or LWB and it happened, you cannot tell me that the best RB in the Championship suddenly went bad. Same assumptions showed that Shehu would not perform as a wingback and that he isn't the best fullback we have, it showed. If Aina was played in that RWB role he would have performed better than Ebuehi did, take that to the bank. By the time Ebuehi came in the Argentines were already pyschologically down after they witnessed a horror show involving Aguero, Ebuehi thrived no doubt about it but Aina would have been better. Idowu scored and disappeared, forget the entire hype like I have always pointed out Aina is the best among the lot we have at RB and at LB we still have a vacancy.


Hopefully Joel will be invited if he stays fit, I wont hold my breath for that though

Taliban:
Ajagun is there already now. Infact he will be a regular starter. If we remove Mikel it will become obvious that Nigeria really has plans for this world cup, you know there has to be some element of surprise at least. Plus since Mikel is the captain and he worked hard for the qualification, it will me unfair to completely drop him. Ejaria might actually be a better fit or maybe we try to convert Jordan Ibe to an AMF sef. Mikel's inclusion will be like that of Adepoju to the 2002 world cup, you know to encourage the younger ones in the team.

soetanoreoluwa:
Don't think Etuhu is active again... Check out Yak! Still very reliable

Taliban:
After reading a lot of pages here and also a long and hard thought. I have come to the conclusion that these players should be the ones to go t the world cup.
Goal Keepers
Vincent Enyeama
Dele Aiyenugba
Dele Alampasu
Defenders
Ola Aina
Seyi Ojo
Dominic Iorfa
Efe Ambrose
Thiago Ilori
Mosis Odubanjo
Midfield
Hope Akpan
Jude Aneke
Raheem Lawal
Abdul Ajagun
Mikel Obi
Joel Obi
Josh Onomah
Ryan Sanusi
Attackers
Obafemi Martins
Ike Uche
Fred Onyedinma
Kayode
Sone Aluko and
Adegbenro


Standby
Ovie Ejaria
Chuba Akpom

If we can present this guys who are the best leagues imagine what we will achieve. There's still time to get them to blend together, right now these are the best we have as we can only take 23 players to the world cup.

The staring eleven should look like this
Enyeama
Ola Aina Thiago Ilori Efe Ambrose Sheyi Ojo
Abdul Ajagun Josh Onomah Raheem Lawal
Kayode Martins Ik Uche

Mikel will be coming in as an impact sub and that would really tilt the games in our favor. Also there is Jude Aneke, Adegbenro and Joel Obi too who can come in from the bench.

I had to unfortunately drop Onazi, Ndidi and even Victor Mosis, even though they are very good players who the stats for Aneke, Raheem Lawal, Abdul Ajagun and Onoha are extremely difficult to ignore. You need to see how Kayode won the best player in Austria and how great a game Fred Onyedima had against Man City that's why I had to drop Victor Mosis.
Go Nigeria!!!!!!!!!

jotey:
never knew ehizibue,echijile and ebuehi are from delta state

they are anioma blood so they won't make ur list

mank1234:
Great input! I think we should even drop Rhor and bring in Onigbinde as coach for even greater surprises. Final guaranteed.

Mickael2:
I base my assumptions on facts and figures. Same assumptions helped me point out perfectly that Aina would struggle as a LB or LWB and it happened, you cannot tell me that the best RB in the Championship suddenly went bad. Same assumptions showed that Shehu would not perform as a wingback and that he isn't the best fullback we have, it showed. If Aina was played in that RWB role he would have performed better than Ebuehi did, take that to the bank. By the time Ebuehi came in the Argentines were already pyschologically down after they witnessed a horror show involving Aguero, Ebuehi thrived no doubt about it but Aina would have been better. Idowu scored and disappeared, forget the entire hype like I have always pointed out Aina is the best among the lot we have at RB and at LB we still have a vacancy.


Hopefully Joel will be invited if he stays fit, I wont hold my breath for that though

soetanoreoluwa:
Supported 100percent ...

I wont even take Mikel.. What was he's achievement in his team.? Is he the best player in his team? How many MOTM has he won in his team? How many goals has he scored?

Taking such player will affect the depth and the chemistry is the team....

soetanoreoluwa:
Don't think Etuhu is active again... Check out Yak! Still very reliable

Taliban:
Awesome!!!!!!! He should be invited to SE camp immediately!!!! I hope Victor Agali can just read this now. Afterall how old was Pele when he went to the first world cup, Ronaldo and even Opabunmi!!