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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by asawanathegreat(m): 8:43pm On Nov 24, 2017
I smell truth for wetin dis man talk.
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by tete7000(m): 8:44pm On Nov 24, 2017
whytediamond:
I don't bother to read statement from people that do not know their left from their right.

Before you depart this world sir, Covenant University will rank amongst the top 15 universities in the world.


Unfortunately, university is greatly influenced by the environment it is situated. Covenant is located in Nigeria, and bulk of the people teaching and doing other things there are Nigerians from these public universities. The admitted candidates are from Nigerian secondary schools.That seal its fate. If anything must develop in Nigeria, the general standard must be raised altogether.

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Nobody: 8:45pm On Nov 24, 2017
Guys Nigeria as a whole is scam....I gladly registered to study computer engineering in UNILAG but when I got there...I noticed they teach electrical engineering to computer engineering students...as in we were forced to do it..we ve no option....cos. The household name is Electrical engineering under it we have computer engineering so literally...we learnt nothing from computer engineering itself...they use mouth to teach computer programning like c++, only c++ we did...no java or c sharp or c....sharp students as we re ..we went outside school to various centers to perfect and learn our programming very well...cos if we waited for unilag....God knows...so I dont agree that unilag is the best...and also..to me that list should be empty...no Nigerian schools is worth to teach engineering....if you studied engineering like I did...and you can make a calculator I dont mean scientific but normal addition and minus..pls raise ur hands....after we all sweated in making our projects..later later they threw it away in the dustbin...I mean potentials re In those project that could change Nigeria forever...but those ones threw it away...and they keep throwing it away set by set....wen we go for lab experiments...we use faulty machines all the time...after struggling to get ur readings...they will then tell you to scrap those readings...and they will give you their own readings...I mean the lab attendants does that all the time...they will tell you...they want you to have an idea on how is it done...well...any Nigerian that study engineering in any of those stated university above...ain't dumb...in fact if they re given the opportunity to study it abroad..my brother...all of them will pack first class...I mean they train us in harsh condition to learn engineering...they re even some calculative exams like Fourier and laplace...we werent allowed to use calcultor...bro...tell me...we then have somebody like prof mowete who can dash out of a class of 70...40 people F's..infact lemme stop cos if I continue I can't finish...the lie is too much and unbearable...

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by victorDanladi: 8:48pm On Nov 24, 2017
free2ryhme:


90% of your professors are in Islamic studies

your opinion is not recognize go and stay one side
with this comment,you are disgracing intelligent Christians especially those who are ABU product!

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by free2ryhme: 8:51pm On Nov 24, 2017
victorDanladi:

with this comment,you are disgracing intelligent Christians especially those who are ABU product!

go on facts finding it is not about religion bros i no get power
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Nobody: 8:53pm On Nov 24, 2017
Our government has do something about this education sector .. From primary school to university everything is rubbish.. In Saudi Arabia you will have access to free education from primary school to all level. Without paying a dime.




This is 3rd best university in the World Standford University and they still try and help there students. Not here in Nigeria

Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Nobody: 8:54pm On Nov 24, 2017
All he said,I don't care about.

I can proudly say that despite the challenges,a Nigerian student can still beat a foreigner.We are actually just following the "La cram,La pour" policy in Nigerian universities.You are expected to give back what you were taught without any form of brainstorming or adding new ideas to the context or at least scribbling down everything in your own words.

This to me is the greatest setback.

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by bid4rich(m): 8:55pm On Nov 24, 2017
Myopic minds.... Go and see what is happening in new generation universities across the country you will know that you have nt see beyond your institution.
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Nobody: 8:59pm On Nov 24, 2017
Ezigbonmadu:
This is bullshit.

First, the amount paid as tuition by students doesn't determine the quality of education. Take Germany and all Scandinavia countries for instance where tuition is free yet their education is top-notch. You can't blame Nigeria students who shouldn't even pay at all for paying too little

The Germans and Scandinavian countries pay high taxes for the privilege of free education, as much as50% of their salary.

Also, those countries have highly diversified industrial economies, unlike resource dependent naija

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by motikorede: 8:59pm On Nov 24, 2017
I believe this man is a schmuck . This is one among saboteurs we have in our country . How can he open his gutter and say student shd pay more , aint we paying enough ?
Likes of him enjoyed free education bak in those days , but they mount burdens on the younger generations so as to fill their pocket ...
According to him " lecturers are using their small salary to execute project " . This man is a lier , " small salary " indeed .... am very sure that , the least lecturers are payed will be nothing less than 150k per mnth .... Tell me is that a small salary ??
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by iswallker(m): 9:00pm On Nov 24, 2017
Lilymax:
"Ask students to pay"
Aren't we paying enough?
From sch fees to handout buying to settling lecturers

Did you read the write-up...

He said you will get a certificate that is equivalent to the 20k per annum that you paid.

Its quite explanatory. .you can't get a havard like certificate and education with 20k. If the govt says fees will be 20k, they must pay the balance.

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by cochtrane(m): 9:00pm On Nov 24, 2017

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by censeakay(m): 9:01pm On Nov 24, 2017
All of the problem is due to the low value of our currency
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Desyner: 9:01pm On Nov 24, 2017
Statsocial:


Lol no government is willing to take the kind of heat that Churches are taking today. So of course Govt says "let us give them what they want, free useless education", at least the Govt know it is so useless their own Children would never school here. Yet the pastors are schooling their own kids in their own universities.

But take comfort it is not just Nigeria even South Africa is struggling to fund her 24 heavily subsidized Universities. The son of Uganda president low key just Graduated from AUN, Yola this year quietly while the father is busy deceiving ppl back at home, Strike don nearly finish Makerere University sef.

So it is an African something. And Just imagine o, this is ABU with the highest funding in the country. ABU alone is gulping about 13 billion per year in wage bill which comes directly from FG. Now, if we don't diversify our economy soon so we have more income to patch these free universities up then the situation may become worse.

the vc isn't telling it all. What of the beneficiaries who aren't ready to sacrifice 10% of what the govt pays on their behalf.
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Nobody: 9:04pm On Nov 24, 2017
Ezigbonmadu:
This is bullshit.

First, the amount paid as tuition by students doesn't determine the quality of education. Take Germany and all Scandinavia countries for instance where tuition is free yet their education is top-notch. You can't blame Nigeria students who shouldn't even pay at all for paying too little

Secondly, how have they spent the little money allocated to them? Can they boldly claim that the government get value for the little amount invested so far?

Here is what the VC said about spending.

According to him, Our challenge in the university is there is no enough funding. No funding is enough but we are looking for adequacy in funding. For instance, this university spends N50 million monthly on power and government does not give us more than N120 million for over head annually. This money cannot pay my power cost for three months.

“I have 50,000 students with half of them living on campus that I have to provide power and water for. An undergraduate student pays N20,000 as charges for the year and they want to take a degree that is equivalent to that of oxford. Is it realistic? And the government that tells them not to pay does not pay the balance.


See the problem.?

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by NotComplaining: 9:05pm On Nov 24, 2017
Mirand606:
The Vice Chancellor of Ahmadu Bello University ( ABU ), Zaria, Professor Ibrahim Garba has given reason why Nigerian universities cannot be among the best ranking in the world, saying that, no university can train Oxford counterpart with N20,000 per annum.

The Vice Chancellor stated this at a press conference ahead of the university’s 40th Convocation Ceremony coming up on Saturday.

As part of activities slated for the convocation is a lecture that will be delivered today (Friday) by the Group Managing Director of Nigeria National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC), Dr. Maikanti Kachala Baru, while the Oba of Lagos, Rilwan Akiolu will chair the session.

However, Professor Garba while speaking on the prospects and challenges of Ahmadu Bello University identified lack of adequate funding as the major challenge of ABU, like its counterparts across the country.


He said, if the Nigerian universities must produce graduates equal to those of Oxford, the government must be ready to fund it or be bold to ask students to pay.


According to him, Our challenge in the university is there is no enough funding. No funding is enough but we are looking for adequacy in funding. For instance, this university spends N50 million monthly on power and government does not give us more than N120 million for over head annually. This money cannot pay my power cost for three months.

“I have 50,000 students with half of them living on campus that I have to provide power and water for. An undergraduate student pays N20,000 as charges for the year and they want to take a degree that is equivalent to that of oxford. Is it realistic? And the government that tells them not to pay does not pay the balance.

“A degree is a product. How much does it take to produce a graduate? How much is the student paying? What is the balance and who pays the balance? If you don’t pay the balance, that person will get a degree that is equivalent to whatever available money is there. There is no miracle about it. That is why the standards are falling.

“Let us not deceive ourselves. There is a cost to everything. If you don’t bear the cost, you take less. We go for Chinese products but the Chinese products will only last for certain number of years. But if you buy a superior product, it last longer. Let us not deceive ourselves. There is no funding in the Nigerian system.

“There are no funds to do research. The lecturers use their small salaries to do research in order to create knowledge to help the society. It is something that is challenging. In ABU, we have 2, 800 academic staff to carter for 50,000 students. If you do a simple arithmetic you will know the student teacher ratio.


“In as much as we want to be seen to be producing quality graduates, the investment is essential and necessary. The Nigerian government certainly is not investing as much as it should in education. We must invest. If you don’t invest, you will never get quality products.

“Investment in education is not a matter of luxury. If you want you must invest. You give universities a pittance to produce the same graduate that you pay 12,000 pounds to train. The more we train, substantial number of them drift away because if you train somebody, it is not even fair on the person to expect that he will come back and not have working tools. That guy will either leave the country or stay and waste. This is a big deal.

“The government must be bold to either fund or ask the students to pay. If you don’t do this, we will continue like this, nobody will come from the USA to intervene by paying the cost of university. And worse of all, you continue to open more universities when you have not funded the existing ones.

“If ABU is challenged with manpower, just imagine what other universities are facing. Even the money that we make we use it augment salaries. And we send our children abroad. We deceive ourselves that our universities are not ranking properly and I ask, if you are to rank the National Assembly against other assemblies in the world, will they rank high? You cannot remove the university from the nation. The same rot we find in the society is also in the universities”, he said.

Speaking on the magic wand of the university’s success story, the Vice Chancellor said, “within our limited resources, we grow more faculties. But we also task the existing faculty more and more. I want people to know that when you see academic staff agitating, this is the problem”.

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/thenationonlineng.net/nigerian-varsities-cant-among-world-best-abu-vc/amp/


Oxford that he is quoting like a fowl raises most of its funds from a highly successful alumni. Besides, education at oxford was once free for UK citizens.

A ragtag front for education will not bring in the sort of billions oxford brings in annually.
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Abeyjide: 9:09pm On Nov 24, 2017
You defended dino based on the data available.
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Nobody: 9:10pm On Nov 24, 2017
cochtrane:
Prove to be self-sustaining and you are on your way to being a stellar institution. Your university agriculture students could farm and feed the state as part of their courses. Your university engineering students could fix phones and make money for both themselves and the school, as part of gaining hands-on experience. Your mass communications student could start a local newspaper as part of their course routine, etc. Of course, you not gonna do that. You stuck with a foreign educational curriculum that has little bearing on your societal situation. You don't teach them proper in the first place, after all. How would you even do that, if you are this clueless as a VC?

You missed the bit where he said they have just 2800 lecturers for 50000 students.

And all that stuff you just spoke...no be the same Nigerians that are too poor to pay high fees for their wards that will pay money for repairs of phone?

Mass com student go start paper? You sef...when last did you buy paper? grin

And didn't you read the bit where he said he gets 120million overhead annually...while his power bill alone is 50 million monthly?

And stop that nansense about foreign curriculum....our curriculum has been nigerianized for decades.

You cannot buy a brand new Porsche at the cost of a keke napep.

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Nobody: 9:13pm On Nov 24, 2017
whytediamond:
I don't bother to read statement from people that do not know their left from their right.

Before you depart this world sir, Covenant University will rank amongst the top 15 universities in the world.


See this comedian.

Covenant university is where it is because Bishop Oyedepo charges high but sane fees,

Our govt universities are expected to do better than Covenant, at a fraction of the cost.

OK....go and pay N50 for a brand new BMW tomorrow....

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by cochtrane(m): 9:22pm On Nov 24, 2017
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Nobody: 9:23pm On Nov 24, 2017
ct2:
what a world,this man enjoyed free education ooooo
motikorede:
I believe this man is a schmuck . This is one among saboteurs we have in our country . How can he open his gutter and say student shd pay more , aint we paying enough ?
Likes of him enjoyed free education bak in those days , but they mount burdens on the younger generations so as to fill their pocket ...
According to him " lecturers are using their small salary to execute project " . This man is a lier , " small salary " indeed .... am very sure that , the least lecturers are payed will be nothing less than 150k per mnth .... Tell me is that a small salary ??
JUSTICE4Nigeria:
after enjoying awol free education he is here talking rubbish, let me catch u

See all these people.... grin cheesy

OK...say y'all are selling phones of N25000 each, and I come into yer shops, buy 3 phones , and insist on paying just N1000.

That is what is happening in our government schools, and that is why ASUU keeps on going on strike.

You cannot get a N600000 -the amount needed to train a Nigerian student in one year-degree at just N40000.

The thing is...our universities need a lot of money. The overhead costs are going up....and the money in this year's budget is not enough.

Forget TETFUND....our unis need TRILLIONS of naira to keep fees low and funding high.

2.Yes....VC went to school free of charge.

When the guy was in school.....there were 80,000 university students in Nigeria. Now...there are 3 million and counting.

And even then....people STILL PAID FEES. Heck...they even paid for the food they ate in cafeteria too.

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by makebrainz(m): 9:27pm On Nov 24, 2017
Lilymax:
"Ask students to pay"
Aren't we paying enough?
From sch fees to handout buying to settling lecturers

You don't buy handouts in ABU.....that, I can tell you

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Nobody: 9:30pm On Nov 24, 2017
cochtrane:

I actually didn't miss those bits. I'm sure they stood out quite clearly. What I'm thinking instead is that you missed the bit where I said they should attempt to be self-sustaining. They won't be the first university to try that; neither will they be the last.
Those "same poor Nigerians" can afford phones. I'm pretty sure they can pay a token for the repair of those phones. And a local paper doesn't necessarily appear "on paper". Ever heard of that thing called the internet? Yeah, that thing.

If 2800 instructors are smart enough, I'm sure instructing the school on being self-sustaining will be easy-peasy. Unfortunately that doesn't seem the case with them, just as it isn't with most Nigerians. It's the very thing you just proved with your shi.t post.

1.Thanks for your reply, and for insulting me, wink

2.The university needs 600million ....for power each year. Now...can self sustenance get that money?Can fixing phones, or opening newspaper get that money.?

Plus...ABU does have commercial enterprises..they have a Press, and they do pure water too.

3. Even then....it isn't enough.

There is no such thing as free education. Just as you cannot buy a I phone x for 1000 naira, you cannot expect world class on school fees less than 200USD.

Either fees go up....or taxes go up.

And i speak as someone who in my ideal....fees would be N10000 PER ANNUM..
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by mmmustapha(m): 9:35pm On Nov 24, 2017
only one with sense of reasoning will understand what this man is saying. you can't be opening universities without proper funds. the government is running away from its responsibilities which is why our education system declining.

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by cochtrane(m): 9:37pm On Nov 24, 2017
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Osu175(m): 9:42pm On Nov 24, 2017
maynation:
Just a fresh graduate of ABU and i can't remb ever buying handouts. Abi Barackodam i lie?
throughout my days in abu, i only photocopy books for N2.5k per page.. I swear ABU sweet grin

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Abuklaw(m): 9:44pm On Nov 24, 2017
maynation:
Just a fresh graduate of ABU and i can't remb ever buying handouts. Abi Barackodam i lie?
Of course not! we don't buy hand out here in ABU, you either photocopy the course material or be OYO

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by cochtrane(m): 9:48pm On Nov 24, 2017
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Abuklaw(m): 9:49pm On Nov 24, 2017
free2ryhme:


go on facts finding it is not about religion bros i no get power
You're simply high on weed or any other dangerous substance. We don't need fact-finding mission, we need a psychiatrist for you. Ask for Professor Andrew Nok and let me know what your findings are.

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by Nobody: 9:51pm On Nov 24, 2017
cochtrane:

Oh really? 50%? Where's your source? Don't just pull data out of your hat.

Denmark...28-51% income
Germany 14-47%
ICELAND 46% Max
Norway 46%
Sweden 59.7%
Nigeria 24%max

Any questions?
Sauce

That they have a highly diversified economy doesn't answer to the fact that education is cheap there. That point of yours is a red herring.

Oh?

Denmark PER CAPITA GDP : $56000
Nigeria per capita: $2,758

Diversification works....

Resource dependence has nothing to do with bad education in Nigeria; corruption has. In other words, the professor's argument does not hold water. Were Nigeria corruption-free, more money could flow from the government into universities, making quality education cheap; Not more money from the students.

Yes, we have to deal with corruption, but that only brings in smaller amounts of cash to the universities.

As someone said upthread...we have to diversify our economy in addition to fighting corruption.
Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by free2ryhme: 9:53pm On Nov 24, 2017
Abuklaw:
You're simply high on weed or any other dangerous substance. We don't need fact-finding mission, we need a psychiatrist for you. Ask for Professor Andrew Nok and let me know what your findings are.

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Re: Why Nigerian Universities Can't Be World Best- Ibrahim Garba ABU Vice-Chancellor by aribisala0(m): 9:57pm On Nov 24, 2017
Ezigbonmadu:
This is bullshit.

First, the amount paid as tuition by students doesn't determine the quality of education. Take Germany and all Scandinavia countries for instance where tuition is free yet their education is top-notch. You can't blame Nigeria students who shouldn't even pay at all for paying too little

Secondly, how have they spent the little money allocated to them? Can they boldly claim that the government get value for the little amount invested so far? I know many Nigerian lecturers who failed to graduate in UK universities due to poor grades after the federal government have invested millions of Naira each on their education through TETFund. These lecturers get fully funded scholarship from FG that takes care of tuition and maintenance while their salary still get paid in simultaneously, yet most fail. Now they avoid Europe and North America but now prefer Malaysia and co. I guess it's easier to pass there.

More importantly, private sectors in developed countries finance researches, not the government. How many private sector research funding have they as academia in Nigeria attracted over the years? Your guess is as good as mine, they attract almost zero funding. Who is to blame? Obviously it's the Nigeria academia that fail to appeal to the industries.
Your reasoning is odd
Fiirst he did not say amount paid BY STUDENT.Whether the student pays or not somebody has to pay.It costs money to hire quality lecturers and fo infrastructure and when you work out the total cost of running a university by the number of students that gives you an average working cost per student.
Whatever the cost of "QUALITY" is it is greater than 0.His argument is it is far greater than the 20000 naira figure he quoted/

Germany where you claim it is "FREE" does that mean there is no cost,no budget per student?


I believe you must still be very young . There was a time when students did not sit on the floor and fighting got you expelled from Nigerian universities. When a Nigerian degree meant something.

The truth of the matter is our universities are overcrowded. How can you talk about using resources well when universities are forced to admit way above their capacity .

Government needs to be honest with people.Government cannot fund free education and cruciallyy government CANNOT manage universities.

Universities need to be privatised 100% and government channel its budget into scholarships and those that cannot get scholarships either pay or get loans.

Many of the degrees awarded have no employment value and people would do better learning trades

Nigerian univesities still churn out some good research especially in agriculture.

The truth of the matter is our system stifles merit.

You cannot have academia that is meritocratic in a political environment of nepotism and paddypaddyis such as ours.
When lecturers can be given 24 hours to vacate the premises and so on.

The starting point is to remove universities100% from government and create an environment where they are competitive.

Just yesterday they were debating a bill for yet another university and Buhari approved some money for another one while GEJ established several in one day.

This is bogus and unrealistic.
The Federal government cannot affod these universities and they end up underfunded and overcrowded

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